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very clear cut. russia is that ukraine is good, period urban legends become 2nd, even after the mother investigation found that there was no evidence whatsoever of russian involvement in the 2016 american election. the allegation continued to take on a life of its own. the russians somehow packed into the election and gave us donald trump. it's not true, of course, but the truth doesn't really matter after a while. and so you crane, which the united nation says is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, continues to be the recipients of billions of dollars and usa, russia, russians, and the people who support russia are placed under sanctions. and the international community is polarized. at dinner one night recently i actually had an attorney for the democratic national committee telling me that she believed in her hearts. that when donald trump was president, his 1st act every morning was to call president me to receive his orders for the

day. that's how ridiculous things have become here. i'm john kerry. uncle. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 former egyptian president, demo of the nicer one said quote, the thing about you americans is that you never make clear cut stupid decisions. you only make complicated stupid decisions which make us wonder if there is something to them, which we are missing on quote. i can tell you that after 20 years in the c, i a, and on the staff of the senate foreign relations committee that nasser was right. it's a normal part of business for a stupid decision to be made for everyone in the room to then not an agreement. and then for everyone to double down, even when they recognize that the decision was stupid in the 1st place. welcome to the american foreign policy establishment. our guest today is a former ukranian diplomat who made several mistakes by us standards. he was pro

russia. he worked with rudy giuliani and he tried to raise awareness of 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine. andre television go eventually found himself sanctioned by the us treasury department. he had his us visa revoked, and he was placed on the no fly list. he joins us today. henri, intelligent, a welcome to the show. thank you for having me out of the show. it's a great honor to do to your job. andre, you made a career as a ukrainian diplomat. you had success in your field. you made high level contacts in the united states, and then you went into business for yourself. when did that begin to turn for you and why? yeah, it was a long term, long history of my job going into the training governments. i was a advisor to the 1st every premise to refrain ocean. you printing intelligence, you print military spot for some agency, the advisor to the prostate general refrain,

and then reprinted from ivan all my field was involved with international relations in contact with the us government and government just on investors. would you sometimes please try the last 15 years? so my career this when i began long before, i became officially diplomat. and i went through this whole past see what, how the us was developing its politics and ukraine. my own country. i saw from basically from the beginning before my job to of 2014, after my job, after the 2 and how it all implemented and how it all laid out the, the loss of sovereignty. it was in my eyes to my country's how we lost. how would we give it to me that every day by day and that i understood for myself, this is not the path that i will fight puncture to develop. it's not the path of a sovereign country. i mean, it depends on the function as the all for planning the planning to be or democratic

caution. this is a pass of a proxy country, a public country. and that's when i came out and $1017.00 with the truth and, and what's called an political article. what's out in 17 about the training and interaction you selections of how to use the granite indeed, or somebody to tell you to grow grateful of supporting one candidates on the democratic party. and try to try to destroy the candidates and the other side possibly was coming up with the real story. it's not real evidence of the facts, but false evidence, false stories to destroy president canada. donald trump, with that to i have to ask you, are you a russian agent? are you trying to disrupt american elections and to infiltrate the american government? i am not a, what is it agents? i wish i was somebody's agent because of the started have some support for my

family and what understand what future house but i am doing this for my own good. well, and because i believe that i'm a truthful person. i grew up in the west. i grew up in canada as i was 5 years old . when do you ever seen united states? and i was taught to be a truthful person to god. and this is what my police became basically what i went up because this whole system of us involved with the trainings elections and the train politics. and then you press involvement under the guidance of the state in the us selections. i myself, when i saw this came out and says, no, this is not, was supposed to be, this is not what a come she has to be going through. it has to make its own decisions because such decisions duplicate the direction that to some of these actions that this country will have a bad reputation of that future. so i myself,

on my own and this i got sanction false suspension by the us treasury department. the but the lucian and i, i got thrown on the bus. so i'm on my, on my own on this. i have to see. i had to see you crazy because i was put on the show list on the floor as of june was one of the war started like a section by my own government. the print on it was the ship was the last, the machine was not everybody know and i have to flee abroad, not to russia. i had to say abroad to save my life. and that's what i'm fighting for to get my life back. that's i can i just get a job right now? so i maybe if i wasn't agent, i'll be showing much, much better, much more possible and i have a much better house. and i know that i have a future to fight for, but now i'm fighting for my own just each other person and my family suture and the future of peace in the brain. tell us about your experience with rudy giuliani juliani had taken an early interest in 100 biden's business dealings in ukraine.

you had some information about that. tell us about it. oh yeah i oh no majorly. i was looking for me to get in contact with me. its since the beginning of 2019 uh and she got a hold of me on may of 2019 when i was in washington as anybody to come and see him in new york. so this a split altogether for me. my attraction was uh, manager. we got a, uh, my story was long before that when i came out was uh, lee curry, elections long and the selections. and if i choose uh, which we strive to have spoke about that. and uh, we got the story really, really in depth with him. and so this is obligating for the 17th. so my story was long for virginia and was looking into what was that going on with 100 buying. and

i'm sure from statuses i used to work for a doctor left the diplomatic work, and the free embassy i got invited to work was instruct strategies a lot before a function which uh, work closely. what was the moderator for somebody to buy all the business dealings? and there was, it was covering it up and the political side. so i got ready to work for go as a consultant on the training issues, not only thing, but also eastern europe issues like lots the and banks, the work with people they consulted with. i dealt with other clients, they're dealt directly with the owners of blue star character mcdonalds, which is a former deputy chief of staff to both of them. and then she was chief of staff and he was going to after. so i was gonna see and then also the solid picture. she was invited to the front. so they are in a deep state. at that time i was still going through understanding what was going on with the politics, the crane us side, an eye witness,

not always what the district was do, but it was most of the state was working. so such problems as new stock, which they now be called at the effect congress to testify. they've got it because they testified in the senate hearings in 2020. when i was also called as a witness, somebody evidence was used email somebody please indications the boost. our strategies have national security council members on the bike or use of the summer jobs. and snodgrass investigations 2020 but they live with a standard form each one. so hopefully this time during congress sealants do a lot lot and be called up to the right questions which will open up what happened afterwards and their deals are providing a job, i guess they were the ones who were connecting those uh, parts together. blue star strategies for i'm a sole shine. i'm cover everything up. the business deals, especially in ukraine. and originally i knew that i was partially involved in

working with them and she called me up to new york and 202019. and that's when i gave them my part of the story, but i would just use them the situation for 6 hours. we spoke with him in his office in new york, the united states, he uh, recently recorded me uh for evidence for his uh, investigation. that's how i got involved. what sort of do i mean i'm going to be asked to help him or any other evidence which would come into his hands to see if it's legit or not. so just because you have thousands of pages document someone from your brain, different of government officials and the he did not know which was subject or what 1st law or which was he should get involved. and so that was my role to help them unofficially. i just get paid for that is there's a list of each. one of the things that is utterly mystifying to me is why it was the trump administration that went after you. you hadn't been identified as a target by the democrats,

because you had embarrassed joe biden. when he was vice president with accusations against hunter, why was it that the trump white house finally went after you? that was the last week of the trump presidency. that's one of the sanctions in europe, january 11th, 2021. so there's, so there's going to be that was the style frame where i got sections for ready, 13 years. and it happened last week and i think because of so many meanings of the trump team were involved in this because of these, she worked with a truck in ministration for years and they were covering up sources. we understood, we can remember the story with a master and ukraine, which trunk want to fire your volume image and then each state how the block them helps her try when get it booked. signing got

a $1000000.00 for publishing and books, and they basically protected her and john her protect against the person who hired her. he researcher works for the president, i states. but we come and see how these things work and go strong. and this is the things choices here. they protected one person here, the distractions for me. and it went after me trying to use the trump and restrictions to do this. compare my national involved. there are other people who are involved in this basically political destruction of me because they knew that i got too close to the printer, present trump circle, and that i was respected by the circle. i don't want to say that i'm somebody from number water number 2, we're going to treat with us. i'm just a witness to the truth. that's what i've ever stipend for. i've tried to have this situation to have me go guess president trump and his team, but i understood what happened. i knew the people who were involved in this to,

to destroy me who was asked the, i are people like, i'm really are several people who were working with juliani but they. ready cover agents for the f b i there was a, was brought there attached to the table to juliani after he got brought in. that's how the story basically went for russian age. everybody's a rush age of working for giuliani, as people like last partners who got an idea without a shift and got out of jail. who had said it, especially for free and now they're going to get strong. so there was a lot of people who betray truck, there's lots of other single works at each state. and there was a huge project by the f, b r to destroy people like me, originally on an center johnson regressive labels. and those russian agents and hiring people, the direct action law. so this was the whole team and the whole projects to go after people like me. so i don't blame pressure. trump, maybe he did not know this, but from my information,

my personal information. but i knew that people who were involved in there were people today who the trade president trump like, like pop here and went and show the real face world in working for people like me. brand new coord connected to stars. i published on twitter a couple of months ago and like people like to insure it will probably fail to see sort of see and then broad frontier job at one of the largest, almost uh companies any paying 6 $120000000.00 a year. so this is the real faces of people who went after me, their their trainer should not only the president who they work for, but also their own culture because they work. i work in progress. andre, thank you and stay with us. we're speaking with former ukrainian diplomat, andre. tell us jenko. we're going to take a short break and when we come back, we'll discuss us policy against russia and how it seems to have just swallowed up our guest state to the. 2 2

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and is it just because it shows you fractured images, presented to this, but can you see through their illusions, going underground? can the welcome back to the list of lawyers i'm john kerry, onto were speaking with former ukrainian diplomat. andre tele shingo, about his experience in the united states and working with senior us officials before they turned on him and banned him from the country. good to have you with us, andre. thanks again. thank you. and i want to begin this segment by asking you to explain something about your experience. it seems to me that you were working with rudy giuliani to collect information about 100 biden's business dealings that the trump administration should have embraced you. and afterward, once the contents of the 100 by the laptop became public and 100 biding,

took responsibility for the laptops contents that you should have been hailed as a hero. why was it that the trump administration pushed you away and sanctioned you? what was the reasoning behind that? and did you ever receive any explanation for me that the treasury department or the justice department? i don't believe that i was supposed to be on the 0. i'm just a regular person who did his job and came out of the truth. i don't want any money or any positions or anything else from anybody. i didn't ask for it. i just did my job and i didn't ask for anything extra, nothing originally. i know for anybody else sort of the trumpet ministry. i've done an apology. after all this happens, i will, i say to which sources and for me, but i got an apology from a higher level of sources official. and the discrepancy. and i just said from my, from i just, i don't know what, who was the homeless, it was not people who are close to trump today. those are people who are literally

tray trump and like punched on peo and people. other people who got one involved in the situation and does that only because they were involved in this but also people are from boucher fridays in democratic side were involved with the dc. they were the ones behind on the situation. so my situation here, i'm part of the most of the issue. i'm just, i'm a witness with a big piece in this process on different sides. strictly creating inside from the passenger side of the brain as being advice across the general or seem to have somebody in the situation. and also working for strategies. people involved with a 100 binding job. i direct and i know who were involved in who people were going to guess in the store and me. and it wasn't the person the chopper his or his cheat . and that's why i think 2nd of all, i think the people involved there's to get you from the beginning, from the,

from the, sorry, from rudy giuliani, sorry. and was on the department of justice. they did not understand what was against against them was a huge machine working. just protects uh to protect their, their candidates bite and court supposed to become the president by any means just to have what we have to do and this was happening. and to continue the politics which were under bama because they needed to stop by this was a bad, isn't our stuff how bad they were just when we decided for i told the finding just shooting machine, which is what the, which to sort of contribute to crate and they're finding a guess today as if i believe, so i think that was their lack of understanding. that was their own big mistake for black. understand what was it there's and for me today, i understand that the was that since the future was a huge project to this for us, the originally,

i mean i'll try to go to our jobs center grass there and call them was russian agents. and it was a huge scheme and the show for the public and not only in the united states for the world. so today i understand that uh, it was done directly to disconnect and its a rush, i guess the rest, the story, the rush i hope story, which was still on the table. the tire is still on the table today. if that's the can connect to the next 10 years or more people to try to stay that the chinese agency or that is going to be the new hot topic. but today, ever significant to russia, even though the people like me, when, whenever russia for the last 5 years or, or we're not, we're never connected to russia. so the situation today, we need to understand that then some more professionalism, people, and that will investigate this topic. i'm hungry, i'm the the laptop, the, the, the state, the corrections that they just found,

the who is if i guess what stories did or not have brought a guess of them in public, but they still have to continue the fight even though they're going to get destroyed, they don't have to stop and they have to understand what they're investigating and that's done with that. and situation in the future will save us in the public much more time because i'm really understand and you get an answer soon. and hopefully, this answer will be given to us in the public. what happened under obama and joe, by ministrations what corruptions there was involved, and then a 5 politicians appliances of such high level. and why for us is it's position today. we're that it was being basically thrown out of the global part of the world because of the lack of political will. and interruption is in politics in united states. you should already saw after joe biden became president more than 50 senior, former c i,

a officers wrote an open letter in which they said that the 100 by the laptop quote, had all the hallmarks of and was likely a russian intelligence operation. and quote, that of course was an outrageous lie, and the signatories, frankly made fools of themselves. so with all of this known and with you as witness number one against hunter biden, is that why these actions were taken against you so that you would be silenced? yeah, found we're going to silence some of the probably going to destroy me. they saw that my function that because you have stations and starts to be put on by the course that you just put out. i was a political decision. local decision by the government, which blocks in my travels through the united states locks and. ready on my financial accounts, anywhere in the world, i cannot open up a bank account even though i'm abroad. the last section in the country where i am the cause of a nobody can open the best time because some brookside for this,

this treasure department of the section person was where they for terrace and other bad guys is an old arcs. so uh, this situation, they start to break me and put me to my knees and i would stop. but i understood i had no other choice to do this. if i would stop out of debt to that, i would not be able to leave you try. i would not be able to, uh, uh, fight for my family and i so i continue with 5 help and the help of my friends and uh, today i'm here, where am i will still continue the fight. so all those agencies, c a, l, c, f, b i, they were working all the gaps before me and they'll take them on which i so they work together. so there's other people are coming out today from washington. and they are telling their story how to be blocked by the us. and so just to me, and i think you know, john, more than anybody else how the story goes through and how, what powers they have to use. it goes to write a personal,

comes out and tells the truth. the situation with the data wants the truth to be told, and we saw, but hunter by the laptop is real. we saw that the evidence that was really made up by any russians or chinese or are teaching ends or is really it's wade ha, by hunter, by euros in both june, with his partner's business partners and his father, the presidency. and i said, joe, bye bye. that's all the vice president. so this all is we are every, all the witnesses are all the system on your id and the evidence id like any additional meals with the national security council job. i'm and boost our strategies are we'll solve enough oxygenated and we also have to understand that this whole intro can use the with, with the letters to sign and they're still coming up with the storage today that i'm a russian agent or somebody else. the russian agent is options after shop and i always come up and say, i'm ready for them to show a proof to show that i'm

a rush of agents. we show that evidence up into the public who i am and what i have . they have an offer, i have the senate write letters with us. treasury department has to give proof of surgeon post evidence that he's a russian agent. they did not even reply to the united states senate. andre, you had your us visa, invalidated. and you are forbidden from flying to the united states. i assume that you have similar problems in and with countries that are allied with the united states. tell us about that experience and about how you make a living now with the us government actively trying to prevent that. i said i have to see my country, great and i when the war started because of the war, but because of the print government. so i'm actually receiving my plumbers telling me, read print directly, imagine television was put to you and it shows and they did. this basically wrote on twitter and facebook that i would be shot and killed as being a russian asians. so that's why i have to see brain and the 1st loves after the war started. so i am

a proud right now and then continued to face. i am because of the family and friends i am surviving today. thanks to them and thanks to god. i think because i think this, it was for him and people who are around me, i would not be able to see where i am today. and as i said, i will not stop because i noticed that just on my side, and i know that this investigation is continuing because they found more and more evidence of congress. and hopefully, when there's going to be administrative change in united states, this evidence wasn't brought to public and justice for research, and maybe a good life back. andre tell us jenko, thank you so much for being with us. and best of luck. one of the things that we learned as adults is that life simply isn't fair, but many of us also come to learn that karma is real. and as the reverend doctor martin luther king, one said, the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. i want to thank our guest, andre,

tell us you and go for joining us today. and for telling the story. and thanks to our viewers for tuning into another episode of the whistle, blowers, i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time the. 2 the acceptance, and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do, do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you

the, the old port of the data, clipping creators of the terrorist attacks. both those who shot and killed people were found anything they tried to hide and move towards the ukraine, where according to the preliminary data, a window was prepared for them from the ukranian side to perhaps the state port library. another thing condemns the terrace. in fact, in moscow as a murderous tax of intimidation, besides the suspect, so cold as they would find to sleep fees by the death toll rises of $233.00 of the packet to come to the hole in