of the cross are doing palestine, i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in ottawa. we have already em says he is a professor of international law at queen's university as well as author of the united nations and the question of palestine. and in amman, we have now sir. uh bonaza r t is a brooklyn bassett or to jordan and the middle east. alright gentlemen, cross up rules and effect. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it, professor, if i can go to you 1st in ottawa, this is your, um, uh, your area of expertise, the law and how the international community is dealt with the palestine question. i think international law has been made into complete mockery. it doesn't stand for anything anymore if there are exceptions and why do we have laws the, and the american approach to this quote and quote on a non binding resolution? which correct me if i'm wrong, sir, but i mean, when the united nations security council has a resolution in both side and it becomes international law, how can the americans make that exception?

well, at the same time, not voiding the entire process. go ahead, professor, to thank you very much for having me. um, well, how to put this delicately. the us position is complete. nonsense. so your question suggested on the article 25 of the united nations charter members of the united nations agree to accepting carry out the decisions of the council. and as has been confirmed by the international court of justice specifically, and its 1971 an advisory opinion on, there may be a substitution to me. don't take the place with in chapter 7 of the charter, which some commentators are, are pursuing. and they cover all decisions of the council. so resolution to $7.00, to $8.00, which calls for a cease fire in guys is one such decision. and it therefore binds all parties to the concept, but in particular, israel because it is a member state of united nations. well, that's all right and i'm on. if, if i'm drawing on what we just heard from the professor in ottawa,

even though the united states abstained, it's incumbent upon the united states to take action. if israel does not take action, stop it slaughtering gaza. the usaa is obligated by this resolution, even though they abstain, permit, please to intervene if they, if necessary, by all means necessary. nicer to thank you. first of all, for how me jude. what to say is 1st that the, you ask what part of this huge mess it around sculptors and gather? yeah, the main thing is that this resolution from the security council is obligated to the firewall, but the us will have to accommodate and disobey, and not just starting from the top of the 7 bucks. but the last 100 years since the beginning of this huge genocide after the whole us, the course was actually covering israel because it isn't right you, there's a cooling, you know that, and the project is going to be the least. they planted this project. it'd be on the

cover and you have to be on a, been a, not just with the political aide to can in the international community it, but also by using thing with weapons by hitting them with that the high take that can lead for more and more of that please thing in the the actual the t because the genocide that definitely can clean single body style is part of the western. oh sure. it's part of the quality of western culture that, that actually created israel to set up the goals. well, you know, line on line likes to refer to himself as the guy broke in the fishbowl on this program, and i appreciate it very much. but the line only if, if you look at the, what happened in the united nations and this is not the 1st time there was an attempt at a resolution calling for a ceasefire. the united states and israel is all alone. is there any awareness here in new york? is there any awareness of that or, or if there is an awareness to people, care or?

uh no. uh, to answer your question. uh, going back historically. you remember uh, a gentleman around the turn of the 20th century. they had these bare knuckle boxers who would do this a lot, and they would jack johnson, and they would do this. they never would land a punch in anybody, but it looks great. that's the you with a, i'm a lawyer by profession and i'm not an international lawyer at one time. i was asking why is this not in force? i want to read the fine print. it says this is merely aspirational. i'm thinking, well, what's the point of this? so what we're doing is we're having gobbledygook. and not only that, we're having this cool, bulky dance, this theatre, this synchronized scrum, where people stand with arms akimbo is why you yeah, but like the resolution wasn't aspirational. i mean, english is my 1st language. i understood it was pretty clear. okay. it's not the record. it is a demand. but there is no one for all,

no one. but that was mike. that was my question to are guessing the mom is i know it's past the united states must take action. it must cut off all aid. it must cut off all diplomatic cover. and if it may have, even if it has to use military force that has to enforce the rabbit the resolution . ok. and then when you have seen bachelor is saying, i mean, the audacity say, well, this was non binding. nobody else in the room knew that lionel but who is but the next question is fine. who enforces? if you go back and you say, excuse me, we must now let, let's all vote for enforcement. if that were even possible. how would that occur? and, and what are the mechanisms in place to do it? and if you don't have a that needs fairly aspirational, it's just, it's a see a rather go body. well then, well, go ahead. like if somebody does come in on line with what i actually what, why actually take is point the seriously and a good good number of my students regularly ask whether or not. and this goes to the point at lydell is making this international law is in the law. in the absence

of say, for instance, a centralized enforcement mechanism that we would have at most municipal or domestic systems. however, can it be said that this law, which is binding is indeed law and bind. and so, but that's a fair question to ask, but then one needs to assess or take account of the fact that international it doesn't operate in the same way that our domestic legal systems do. there is no centralized enforcement mechanism, or we do have our various mechanisms, one of which is the security council of the united nations who does have the authority to pass and binding resolutions upon all member states of the united nations under article 25 view and charter and in this case, we have great solution of the council demanding, demanding, that is obligatory a ceasefire. and so to the extent that israel is violating that demand to him to a cease fire and the gas a strip, there is no question that as a matter of international law, they are d like they're there. they are violating that law. the next question is as line was

mentioned, well, what next? and so the next question is moving to the council. again, for more tea, a resolution that would be passed of the council, which would provide for sanctions on israel for failing to abide by its international legal obligations under autumn under resolution $2728.00 and so on. and so, even though in a while, as we say under domestic law, we have direct systems of enforcement under international either less direct but they exist none the less and simply because israel, an outlier and the united states, also an outlier on this question, are violating law doesn't mean the law doesn't exist, it does exist, and the palestinian people are experiencing the neighbors salt. the failure to abide by this international law in their person. some 32000 or more dead killed rather, some 70000 or more injured. and 1700000, and that's 85 percent of the population of the gas a strip forcibly transferred all of them indiscriminately bombarded uh uh,

starvation being used as a tool against them. these are serious matters now. the principal judicial organ of the united nations because that all of this amounts to a plausible genocide, cancelled action must be taken by states. they all have obligations to prevent genocide. these are positive obligations. they exist for the united states. these as for canada, were i'm sitting age this for every member of the genocide convention and so on. so action can be taken. we just need the political will to get moving. ship it now. so in action is, is, is culpability as well. i'm. i've titled this program genocide in arms, and if i can go back to my introduction with lloyd austin, you know, unshakable. i mean, that is pleading guilty to the actions of your co conspirator in the middle east. and that's as real cecilia hector, you the you have to go out to this new building genocide. what happened?

yeah, between deland and do it too often actually at gal him give him a list of the white ones that he wants to bring out to this room and during this visit that to me is actually that the us is actually just facing hawk. oh good is we using those came out to the security council. this is for 2nd. we need to check the real and the fact the, the actual you as political pores in to the citizens until now more than 240 ship. and we're actually kind of old kind of weird ones that were sent to live, right? yeah. also you can just to check the other trigger. decent more than 2000 bleed b at this me is the know there are 2 of you to 8 is right. you know directly to this well, so if we want to be honest and to be a friend to with, oh, our apartments, we have to say that the u. s. is they can pause and verify the this. i'm going.

genocide is a full body. this is the only description that we can describe the eu has action since the october 7th. i'm filling out. and actually if we want to retain back in history, i'm ready to have the us just a guarantee. if that is right, it will always mean team have a, what do we can describe has advanced the military aid all over the region in order not just to, you know, secure or, or to give every, as they say, a variety of defense. but to ensure that they are doing anything, the whole area, and no one will ever had the problem with last or with that is a when that had gemini, is challenged, then the united states is, it's putting itself into a position where it has to fight all of israel's enemies, and that's exactly what the government in, in israel wants and let them. yeah. wants the united states to fight. it's worse

for it. you agree with me? yeah, it's a fault and i agree with this, but the thing is how they will fund it. down by then once a different version of how we will achieve those goals. so there's actually one, actually i do is you can send in 3 on, so i don't and let me delete it. then israel is the one who's leaving the restaurant extra in the middle east. but the thing is, we're on the back there to hold that thought we have to go to our hard break. and after that hard grateful continue, our discussion on palestine state with our team, the take a fresh look around is life kaleidoscopic. isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions pictures designed to simplify. it will confuse really once a better wills and is it just because it shows you fractured images, present it is,

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a welcome back across stock where all things are considered. i'm gabriel about commend you were discussing palestine. the unit was line. let's go back to line or new york, one of the things that it really weighs heavy, it should weigh have on all, all of us. here is it particularly in the united states, but it through the rest of the world in general. but in the united states, all of this is kimberly the genocide, they won't use the word of course and not allowed to, but all of what's going on is all couched in, in an election calculation. so you know, vitamins go to lose michigan who can do anything i find to it, it almost takes the life out of me. i mean here put fits,

tens of thousands of people are being killed and the worried about which direction one congressional district. my go. i mean, that is just so hollow, it shows how hollowed out western society is vinyl this week, which one of the, the biggest fund raisers ever at radio city music hall with the obama and clinton and then in a raise $1020000000.00. the, the, the democratic party has been absolutely dead mora been in a coma. and here's the best part in peter you. and i have talked about this before, the people, this is this associates of funding for me, the people that i, i used to dismiss as being my political and capital opposite to whatever i am now. listening who make more sense. i read somebody to a friend of mine was one of the most cogent answer regarding what the american

responsibility is to the saving of lives. children and then people starving and i read it and i said, guess who said that alexandria. okay, so again, okay, so say the same thing has happened to me over the last, but in the last few new cycles. yeah. and i'm thinking of myself, wait a minute. the also the rise of, of platforms this week also in new york obviously would be in baltimore. there was a wedge co ops and barton said, where are we, you know, we said we will, we will put this together. we will pay for this. so people ask, where are you getting the money for this? and we all said, ah, good question, isn't it funny when it comes to our infrastructure and up there? by the way, this very domestic government don't mean to board. but, but to show you there's this question that people should be asking is, where do we get money to support ourselves here?

where is the democratic response and peter, you, when you're from a generation where the left to progressive left were pro typically almost argued, typically anti war. yeah. and i, and i finally, i'm saying if you just could replace the words israel would, let's say france or scotland and dixon. how could france do this? there would be a completely different discussion. forget the word genocide. so what we're doing is, again, i'm going to be in a, in a, an above 1st ball. but the democratic party, the republicans are very clear. they're absolutely adamant they are, they are consistent. but the democrats are skipped to products and this will be the chance for the republicans to, to seize upon that, to form a schism. they won't even do it. yeah. but so i lied on that. it that the downside of that is, or republicans or pro israel and palestine. so be careful what you hope for professor in ottawa, you know, one of the things, it's very unsettling for me as an american coming from the west is that, you know,

the west is a come to terms in many ways with its colonial saddler projects around the world and they, they, they lay their face and shame. theirs will talk of reparations about how countries or peoples all around the world recover from colonialism, imperialism, but it's still west and almost exclusively in the west. but it is promoting a settler, a colonial st project in the middle east, and they don't, nobody in the west likes to talk about. it's too uncomfortable. you know, i mean a, again, a line or, and i as americans, you know, you know, what we did to the native americans was shameful, with slaughter. we didn't use the word genocide, but that's what it was. but the west now it says flipped and saying, well this project is ok, professor. yeah, uh, yeah, no very, very good point. and in fact uh, as a canadian, but we have under gone very much the same if you like transition. uh, uh the, the representation of what canada has done to the 1st nations people,

the indigenous people in canada has been effectively whitewashed. where now where the sad and a few poorly about it in the public. but little is done to assist the situation of real people on the ground, living in poverty here in canada to our 1st nations. and so this is given rise to my view that a lot of this concern for the settler colonial project or reconciliation with what we have done in the, in the quote unquote new world is profound. it is. and we have proof of that, not only by how we treat, how the states and canada, the united states and other settler colonies treat their 1st nations people. but all foreign policies as well. and is the fact of the natives of palestine where an indigenous population is very clearly ending real time and continually since 1947 undergoing a process of an ethnic cleansing of displacement on the one hand. and

replacements on the other, by combining by folks who want to take their land and resources take, for instance, a very many public statements made. not many of the statements but actions taken by his really meters who indicate that once and gas that use gas think reclaims the ones the palestinian population. all 2200000 of them are driven into the sign i or driven so somewhere or perhaps even into the sea that they'll take over their land and build properties and resettle the gaza strip and so on. so as you, as you rightly point out, there's a continuum here, and it is no, a wonder why israel's staunchest supporters in the guise of matter. now, are the settler colonies of the west, the united states, canada, and someone that needs to be called out. and i'm glad you put that question to us, but i do think that it is self evident for a lot of folks in the global south. certainly the medians, certainly the south africans who've taken this case before, the international court of justice on genocide and so on. so we're adding

inflection point, gather has provided an inflection point in international relations, driving a wedge between the global sales, who can see what's actually happening on the ground and gather and to the beleaguered guys and palestinian population and other small countries. the smaller number of countries, but far more powerful in the industrialized west. yeah. now, so one of the most pathetic things, i mean it's almost a half of year of just unbelievable tragedy. and, and, and for the most part, the, but a, the leads in the west turned their face away. they don't want to see it. okay. if i don't see it, then they're not culpable, but everybody can see it. all right. so jared questionnaire, the son in law of donald trump, his comments in the it was in the telegraph. he was at the kennedy school and he just talked about the as the palestine. question is if it was just a real estate issue, you know, that's fine. i sold that video and i love your laptop because that's an invalid that has been displayed. oh cool,

cool. we were actually live in under for the past 100 years, because this 3 is an open space for all kind of, you know, absorbing resources and just making more profit. and so then we're just not the humans. and the humanizing us makes this land and hoping land for music loves the will gain and make more money. and the name of them were sensitive to live nation, which is actually not just gonna, um, see me, but it's actually, um, it's just, i, it's, i can't imagine someone is just can just talk about the appropriate use of the guidelines. people who are actually killed systematically for the last 6 months and just do so easy to about. a type of get is like, um, you know, a commercial project where this land is. uh, you know, i gonna have to bring the lower investments for, uh, that is right here is 10. that's why they issued and they have to, you know, okay,

if i at this, you're not the rich coast, you know, who are you just forgot to tell and the students that that's cool, that the mail was more than one being. and so then 100, i'm assuming i looked in the same area actually what she's proposing is let us just participate fully because it isn't profits and money. definitely. oh, all the more so is like, oh so don't have it. all those kind of thing. it's all the more so since i'm a most of the power cities look gaza strip. they've already been displaced. maybe sometimes many, many times. i mean, you keep pushing them that way. i mean, it is really extraordinary. you know, line on it and you know, you and i have known each other for a very long time and, you know, with a sarcastically ripped apart this whole works culture. you know, i'm a victim, you're a victim. were who is the victim on the totem pole? and all that, but i've seen bar dubois, dallas city, and so not victims are they. it's just amazing to me how the left,

particularly in the lab. they can go down the day by the totem pole of who's been victimized. but the palestinians are just not there. you can't see them. we're not allowed to see them line. oh, yeah. if, if ever, you know, peter, i, we, we always, well, we, the, the right always speaks of this mystical, magical, incredible wizard, saul, a lensky, and how he created this, these a, these a die the dialectic and, and let me tell you the way it works here is very, very simple, then you can watch any television show or any kind of, of attempt of discussing it. you will ask the question, do you recognize it? how much is a terrorist organization? do you believe that what that is real has the right to defend itself. and then for some reason it just stops. and to show everything began on october, the 7th. and it's, and that's the launching port. what would you do? what am see, wait a minute that that doesn't even be getting to even even remotely. but she,

peter and gentlemen, as you know in our culture, you have a one minute black. if you are lucky or any major cable news or the air quotes your news, and that's as far as it goes. do you know what it's like for anybody to say, let me give you 75 years plus of not true, but perspective it's, there is no time for that. it's look, that's a tough place. they've got to defend themselves. and we, we invoke 911. yeah. yeah. what have saying they have had a rough day about a time and memorial. they've been enemies here. let me, let me finish off with the professor. i don't owe you guys. why don't i? why don't i just get in on that order. you just to go back to peter with the point to do the new made palestinians being able to represent themselves. this has been a classic problem. and edward site put it very, very well when he asked a tiny and she for permission to married situation with palestine. it's as simple as you mentioned in the gaza strip. 7075 percent of the population are themselves

not guessing their palestine refugees who originate from the areas that became the state of israel in 1947, 4849 and are only in the gaza strip in force to exile because they're not jewish because the state of israel is prohibiting their ability to return their right to return to their homes from which they were forcibly professor. i mean, all right, i have, i have to jump in here on this very sailing point, but we've run out of time. i want to think, my guess an auto renew your again, i'm on. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in archie and see you next time. remember prospect rules the the

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