the the headline stories this, our western representatives once again, loc rushes, request for a un security code. so that base on the 25th anniversary of the nato was military intervention. and you can swap the enrollments. we'll discuss the issue with the russian deputy and buster to the united nation also ahead india essays. it's exchanged various initiatives with ukraine's foreign minister to resolve on slips with russia attempting suggesting the attempt by t of so when you tell the over a may have come up short skepticism is also heard among the indian public 20. i don't know, india as add things to take care of ways the up to date and the number

of fatalities from last friday's terror, red suck in most scope climes to 144. people says western media, it's this attempt to pin the blame for the tragedy, the wherever you're joining us from today across the world. welcome to the news our on our team. on the 10 by russia to have the un security council discuss nato. it was 1999 military intervention and you can swap you has been blocked once more by western powers. moscow was seeking the session to coincide with the 25th anniversary of the military alliance is bombing campaign. well that's across live now to new york on speak to russia's deputy and buster to the un,

dimitri posey and see mr. plug into you're most welcome to the program or thank you . so once again, our discussion of this security council on nato is actions and you can slow here, they've been blocked. why are western powers in your views so reluctant to, to even reflect on that episode of their military intervention? i think they, they are afraid they, i afraid of the drills that's little come out. they don't want the world to leave some once again to the details of the that's the horrible military campaign and totally unlawful. we went to the campaign that the conductance against against. so you guys, a lot of you, they also don't want us to highlight the, the responsibility of their leaders at the time of need to leaders for the this casualties and all the, the, the consequences, the fall out of these aggression. that's why they want to,

to shut the miles of everybody. they are not interested in this, but actually it was a very shameful exercise from their process. pathetic gums, i think that's uh, what day 3 goods was absolutely the adverse effects. because in reality, we 1st last for the, for this meeting on monday and differentiate presented to using proceed procedural uh rooms is uh, blocked uh i will beads, but in reality we stopped at every meeting of the security council during this week with highlighting these procedural, russo follow a french colleagues and watching for the votes of the agenda on the meeting. and we also squeezed the phrase or 2 about nita's aggression. i guess you've got slide here. so instead of having one meeting on monday, they actually have the whole week. uh, that's discussed the, the issue well discussed them the security, the security council that everybody, even those for were not aware of this. they were asking us in the course. so what

this is all about was the suggestion of need. so i guess do that's why they are there are some people in the, in working with the m for yeah, for why the young people don't remember it from the memory. you know, while it's worth pointing it as well, isn't it that russia simply requested at this gushing regarding the nato bombing, a nazi adoption of any kind of formal resolution on the monitor. something as basic as that on the 1st real significant down there for history. all of the bombing 25 years on. it's an important date. it was the opposition from a specific countries you mention france there. what's it, what's it one we're using? do think a certain reason or where there are various reasons why those countries did not. why there was so such opposition to having a discussion that debate this is something that's uh, usually not happening uh the,

the un and the security council. because there is an article on number 2 of the provisional rules of procedure of security council. which implies that the, the current president of the council of goals are meeting upon the request of any council member. usually these equals some kind of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. and nobody questions such beats. but in this, in this time, at this time, we really looks like we really have shipped the nerve of our western colleagues, especially the french colleagues. so she took it very personal. i don't know. maybe she was involved at some point of time in decision making. the reason they need to address and asking didn't want some specific rules to come out as a result of our meetings. but there is nothing extra ordinary, not request. and we said that the consequences of nato aggression, i felt until this date and actually all the problems that we have on the ball comes

specifically in the relations between serbia and it seems that robots possible were also triggered by and by need to address them. we can say that this is right through relevance. we can say that because he started for fax only. there are a lot of distorting situations on the agenda of the call. so that's a mets or even today. how can we discussing in the east, for example, without discussing the consequences of the last of the 1973 or 9 to 6, to 7 or even 1948 is absolutely impossible. so this is ridiculous. the pretext that the west, uh uh, tried to use uh to block our meeting is absolutely ridiculous. um, but i think, you know, it's quite obvious if you compare the results of the 1st procedure levels we have when we were supported by 3 by 2 countries. actually, russia, china, us, and voted in favor of reaching the last of all to yesterday. there were

a 6 countries altogether, and actually it was a clear divide between the west some countries and along with some countries on the security council. so the wisconsin was the rest of the countries. they acted in line with the block discipline, and they supported each other. but it was absolutely clear that their way behind these attempt to impose the sounds to shift and security council, which is a very difficult to come see from, from world public. yeah, there are 15 countries, 5 permanent members. so we got just below the threshold without, without the 2nd number, the 6 actually for the if we adopt these very, promote is french logic. them of put in order to hold the meeting, we should have got a 9 volts for the meeting. so we were a short, so see what was short of these 9 volts, but according to our logic, as french questions, not the agenda items that we used, but the meeting itself,

they should have just they should have updates 9 votes, but the president of japan also blaine's as it leads into the hands of uh, west some countries for obvious reasons. and so she didn't want to formulate the question in the right way. that's happening sometimes unfortunate in this curious across. okay, people in survey just to pick up and something you said people in the country who survive the, the 78 days of nato bombing. and then of course, the aftermath were many more people died. and they said, we will never forgive. and we will never forget, but you think that you and you've mentioned some of the countries involved, that the western powers that took part wish that they could for a guest thought it was just essentially put under the rug or exactly that was behind their reasoning. and actually i forgot to mention one very shameful moment from these meeting. those were watched as notice that the french and best of

the planes that's uh survey. it was not aware of the fact of the meeting. so we're actually able to consult with serbia. and this was a belief and flight because so that was very much interested in the folding, these meeting and the what the group of which is that ok to everything prime minister. even so that's just a king specifically to new york to be brought to this meeting and run the friendship presented here was speaking, she was teaching and default listening. and so she's basically explains that. so it'd be, it was not the way of freshman requests. so actually, to assume that it was even more interesting to spell that through the spell out the truth about what has happened then to remind the consequences of this aggression. i still felt this do felt by people leaving their hands. we have to reverse the whole mind, very thankful for their readiness to participate. and these refers whereabouts to explain in detail what are the consequences for so event population medical,

illogical infrastructure whatever that i felt even right now. uh 25 years of to these migrations. so these would have been a very, very important discussions found of course you gave our western colleagues uh, hold seats and they wanted to avoid it at any price. and that's why the really uh, with the stake there for the ability and there they all sorted to in the call. so asking for these need to agree to a procedural goals and trying to conceal the fact that they were kind of questioning the effect of the meeting and not the item on the edge of the beast was very shameful, then pathetic to which there may be people are watching start wondering why 255 years old. that of course, the anniversary is so significant this week. but why the offense of what happened in you? then you can slow, i'll be a. why are they so important?

know for russia they are important not only for russian, they are important for the whole world. and we see that there are still open wounds in the ball comes not only in serbia, but elsewhere. and especially when we speak about the relations between bill gray then preaching that there are a lot of the full outs. that's really uh assessor assessor assessor to feed them right now in serbia and around and so the costs of storage is defining international community. i define security council resolutions, relevance of 1st and foremost, almost 1244 recently which has a that's the prelim answer assembly of the council of europe recommended the mission of customer to the council, which is a clear violation of resolution 1244. so all of these things are happening because of a need to aggression goes through gust lobby because of the fact that the national

law was absolutely devastated on the rapes. by some countries, they bypassed a security council that moments be understood that russia and china will not support such an action some some scholars believe that this was a turning points in the whole system of international relations because this was kind of a different uh, the freezing or for the free for the freezing of the contradictions that have frozen off to the cold war. so the, it was kind of a selection of, of, of cold void searching for. and i think that there are lots of reasons for that. so we, we believe that the, these precedents when the need so uh, blocks attacked an independent country and actually seized part of his territory. and them declared the independent clause,

the independent states there of always imposing on every body to recognize these states. this is likely a precedent when the postwar, a post cold war system was chapter and the helsinki act was just at this moment. and of course, the west doesn't want to acknowledge it. they, they say that doesn't matter very much. they are now referring to the ones that happened in 2022, but they are absolutely authentic and trying to conceal the truth about this aggression and its role in the international relations of the they're all always fall out and that the national relations years a lot of fab big topics there. i'll return to something a little bit later if i can, but just returning to 1999. what was your assessment? what is your assessment of russia's stance on the nato bombing campaign after time on? has most schools position shifted at all over the years since then as well that was

the turning point. i remember it's quite well that was already a young diploma to me before and service and the very many people remember as well that's uh there was these famous. so you turn over the atlantic or the russian by the russian federal government. so you've given you pretty my goals, you was going to washington to sign. so it's in the agreements about financial assistance from the states and the international money to the funds. so what that i don't remember exactly, but the people that decision, once you learned about the aggression, to make a u turn indicated, tons of to moscow. this all was a very symbolic. and so i think that was the rights move to make because it was absolutely clear at this point. that's the only problem is this of the, with all the, all the hopes that there will be a fair. it's a national system built up to the dissolution of the soviet union out that the west will keep the problem. is that where you're going to, to solve you at the end, the russian leaders at the moment. all these folks are absolutely useless and

baseless the west is having its own agenda and implies uh these these time. and then its implies a doing away with yugoslavia and serbia who knows what will be next time. so the moods right them where kind of a shock, because people really where hoping that the school now this was never happened that way hoping that where there were some openings in the relations between the russian, the west. they were hoping that the, the, through the minutes of the cold war has gone forever. but the west with these actions prove otherwise and we are where we are. i think that a lot of things that are happening to the also read back to be so very unfortunate to the criminal decision by anybody need to lead us just to point out what the russian leader has said subsequently valid, were put in stating of the bombing of belgrade was

a turning point for most school itself and one of the defining moments between east and west since the cold war a do you agree that it was significant? how's that? yeah, absolutely, absolutely. i would like to say that. so this is, this is the ethics ethics of, of these time and the ethics of international relations. and of course, this is a benchmark hallmark that we all remember and these little forever stay in our memory of know, met the so the west tries to uh, to consume, attempt to put it in the shades they will never succeed in doing so, the western refusal to discuss the events come shortly after serbian president alexandra boot church. warren, that quote difficult days lie ahead for his country. what do you think he meant by that? well, i may be mistaken, but it looks like she was mentioning this decision. that's a reference to

a decision or for alignment or assembly of the counsel of your, of to meet the customer as an independent states. this is of course, total violation of international law for you guys, security council resolution. absolute lowest was basis. it'd be placed on the example of these cereals base since the national weather that the u. s. on this allies promoting where they are formulating the rules and they are asking and demanding that all this of a, to this rules. it says nothing to do with international and you mentioned costs of oh, earlier, the self proclaimed authorities there or how they choose most good trying to use the issue of the nato bombing and beat this lobby as some sort of justification for what is now happening in ukraine, how would you respond to that as well? is difficult for me to comment. so what's the, what's on the minds? i think they better think about how to manage the problems that they have. great,

it's in relations between christian and build rate. we recently discussed in the security council of the issue of the banning of the circulation of serbian deena in the northern parts of, of crossover. which means uh the life uh, tolerable for uh, vote for certain population of these, of these area. there are a lot of other things that the costs of leaders from is to build right in the framework of the brussels discussions under the close of the european union. but the gaps, no single from the from is out of this and things are further being complicates since by these uh, uh for us based off of course. so uh, being admitted to the council of europe. this up to so been friends to formulate the reaction. but this is absolutely disgusting, frankly, what the west is doing in these calls solicitation. so i think that the uh, possible defects to i started to distribute, to think about these events and lots of mentions,

something else that's happening in the other. but, you know, you can solve in ukraine, have both become focal points in the re shipping on orders in europe. however, while the west was quick to back, the self proclaimed independence of costs of a rapidly quick. i remember when that happened, it's refused to recognize russia's re unification to try me on more recently for new regions. can i get your, why such an inconsistent approach to this? it just seems to be an opposite the different levels as well. these are absolutely shameful. of the blades and the double standards. we discussed this issue repeatedly with the rest of the colleagues, but they pretend to be absolutely deaf lines. and now when we raised these issues, we, for example, points out to them that you know, the costs of the independence was brooklyn's by the problem. whereas the decision

on the try me or was they can as a result of furniture around them. so if you speak about democratic procedures, then they were absolutely observed in case of, of russia, but they were absolutely disregard as in case of costs a. so of course, these are, these are believes and double standards. so this is the, the cornerstone of these a double stand that sounds the, the policy of rules based international order that the west is trying to impose. i think this is obvious for everybody, for every unbiased scroll up for every unbiased diploma is absolutely clear. or what has happened to impossible and what are the for a lot, what does they fall out of? it's on all of us. if i can turn away from the uh, you can stop the underbrush tree for a moment or 2 and talk about the un security console itself. so or to what extent is it still relevant able to fully function when it comes to conflicts like you

brain on gaza? some critics say it's turning into another league of nations which became the funds they had of the 2nd world war. how does the time come to reform the u. n. s. c, and what sort of changes are needed there in your if you well, frankly, i don't think that the skillets across the security council is the relevant. and the, i don't think that it's a price comparison between the u. m. and the league of nations. the big difference is of the existence of, of the permanent members of the security council who have the right to veto. this is a very important function which x actually should be viewed as the key incentive to find and negotiate to solution. that's how it usually works. for example, recently a restaurant china use the v 2 when you yes. table to

resolution, which was uh, actually the green light for is that it will continue what it does in gaza. which reference to the ceasefire, which was actually the main demand for the international community, only has determined determines the imperative of immediacy is fine. so i really failed to understand what is it determines to imperative and how it would have been implemented practically. so when he told the draft, and then immediately after this there was another draft prepared by the non permanent members of the security council, which demanded ceasefire. uh, and these draft was adopted. so if it's not for the russia, china, vito, we will tell them that would be an adult. that's why he's always important. and that's why security council matters. there are different situations on the agenda of the security council. you mentioned to some very complicated ones where there are clear versions of the different as among the,

the green powers. but they're also the bulk of the situation was on the agenda of the security. because those where there are no big differences among the 5 permanent members. and so they are, the council is very efficient for getting council works together. i specifically have in mind for example, african issues or like columbia some other crisis situation. so. so these 2 issues, they are very important, they are very loud, but it's either not 3 present. the bulk of the agenda of the secuity costs of the council, of course needs to beautiful and everybody agrees that it's needs to beautiful. but i think of an undertaking, could that be when you talk about reforms have an organization so large it's, it's a very challenging task. it's really the output type for it. sorry to do it. but you know, it carries feel you can feel about. there is a universal advertise brought about the countries that the positions of the country

has a very different of everybody. for example, acknowledges that's a security council. it should be the composition of the security council should reflect the situation in the world, and that there should be in the correction of historic injustice, was uh, african continental issues. numerous and we should presents a lot of items on the agenda of security council. so everybody's in favor of adding a african members to the security council. same about different translates in america, but they are, there is also understanding that's such an important issue as a form of the security council should come to a solution which would be uh, ideally, consensual or close to this because this is something that's come to be imposed by a majority to minority, for example, is a vote in the general assembly. this is too important, and this will never work if it is the case. and there comes some diversions to that

version says on the presentation. for example, russia and some other countries. clearly saying that the rest is over at present and but i think that the reason situation that we just talked about discussion ways in the, in the, you know, you've got 5 am using clearly shows this. there are some countries they use blog discipline and the defects to block uh, security costs from discussing the issues that they don't want to discuss. they have these kids on the need. so sometimes united states and its allies, they don't need to, to vote against dense. this doesn't count as a veto power because because um, we simply do not have enough votes to pro, to remove the decisions, definitely want. so the west is already presented various of the international or arena. they're all over the west is declining bestbuy to clear out the voices, both the effort from the asian waves in the american countries of sounding louder

and louder. and they are not shown this acute to call so either way, they shouldn't be sure. that's why we say that the inform should go in these direction some. some other countries have other ideas that goes on permanent non button on permanent member, the the, the stay the term of the non permanent member and the council. so there are a number of issues. there are 5 classes of the reform and they have been discussed . they are being discussed for about 20 years. if i'm not mistaken them, i'm quite sure they will be discussed for some more time. because it's, this is too important to, to french aisle to break it with some kind of, of a solution that would be imposed on some group of countries by other proof of concept. this is a very particular some phase taking process which is ongoing, understood, and just finally, and i hope i don't part of the phrase you wrongly but, but earlier you're saying that if you don't have an understanding of the past, you're doing to repeat the mistakes in the future, not if we go,

if you look at certain things in the recent past, the past 100 years or so, you've got the san francisco conference in 1945 famously leading out the post world war 2 order of international relations the most to summit in 1989, the us and the soviet union, the current, the end of the cold war, essentially paving the way for a unique port of world order. know that the world is again, going through a huge change. the next lunmark peace conference, b as world offering. it is, there it is there to bill it. so you for that to happen on where could that happen? it was difficult to speak about through this stage because we are not there yet. i think that at this stage the west is still trying to break down. so that's uh, nothing is happening. that's uh the world is not changing in the way it is changing and they are trying to, to green to grass. that's their waiting position in the world. but this is the

process that we will negatively come to the point where then you then you will, will emerge the multi polar world. and we will, of course, have to discuss the foundations of this world. by the way, i could say maybe some people will not agree with me about the un. i won't be and shouldn't be very helpful in these exercise because the chapter of the item is the basis for international law. as you're gonna use it in itself. it's the, the cornerstone of multi polarity is the question of interpretation. not the fact that the, for example, the shots that needs to be corrected seeing the, the so that way it's not necessarily so, so why don't you have there when we could discuss the next conference where it should take place and make some traveling arrangements for these so far the west is so it's better is step stubborn. it doesn't once dialect it still has some folks so inflicts up to my country, strategic defeats or at least

a week. and it's significantly, but it's quite obvious from what we see in reality. that's um, this is a really wishful thinking. i'll follow with some neighbors and they will inevitably come to the understanding that we should talk. we should speak about. the pause is not, that's what happens in 2022 is the for them that this is the uh, the only thing that we can discuss and what we should discuss. a lot of things including gus, lot of you including needs are in large amounts including the uncapped promises of, uh, was somebody just to so the song attends the address and leaders of the style. a lot of the issues that should be very frank discussion and we are ready for these. we already, we all was uh, hold for the west spanish and side discussion. you know that we made the proposal proposals on european security and in the, in late 2021, we swear understandingly rejected by the us and by need. so there are a lot of things to be discussed and i'm sure we will find

a time and place provided the west a takes away, so rosie glosses and looks at the reality, which is quite green for some pouncers right now. well, thank you for having a dialogue with our tea. you've been more than good with your time today, sir. we've been speaking to rest as deputy and foster to the united nations. dimitri pol against a good to see you. okay. moving on out at $830.00 in moscow time to more world news. it is the 2nd day of the ukrainian foreign ministers trip to new delhi. dimitri cooled by met with his indian comforter, part us, key of 6 to the country. a long standing ally of russia, but if the diplomats hoping to win people over reaction on the streets suggest he may have his work cut out considerable on this. but the i thing in the as.