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mister plug into you're most welcome to the program or thank you. so once again, our discussion of this security council on nato is actions and you can slow up here . they've been blocked. why are western powers in your views so reluctant to, to even reflect on that type of soda of their military intervention? i think they, they are afraid they, i free the tools that will come out. they don't want the world to lease some once again to the details of a that's a horrible military campaign and totally unlawful. new to the company, end of the conductance against against yugoslavia. they also don't want us to highlight the responsibility of their leaders at the time of need to leaders. that's why they want to, to shut the miles of everybody. they are not interested in this, but in reality, we 1st off before the, before these meeting on monday and the french representative using proceed

procedural whose is locked. uh, i will be. but in the reality, we started every meeting of the security council, the ordering this week with highlighting these procedural, russo follow a french colleagues and forcing for the vote of the agenda of the meeting. and we also squeezed the phrase or 2 about nato's aggression. i guess you guys live here, so instead of having one meeting on monday, just heard they actually had the whole week. it's worth pointing on it as well, isn't it fed? russia simply requested a discussion regarding the nato bombing a, not the adoption of any kind of formal resolution on the mouth or something as basic as that on the 1st real significant down there for history, all of the bombing 25 years on. it's an important date. it was that are opposition from a specific countries. you mention france, there was, it wasn't one we're using. do think

a certain reason or where there are various reasons why i, those countries did not why there was so such opposition to having a discussion of the debate. this is something that's uh, usually not happening uh the, the un and the security council because there is an article uh, number 2 of the provisional rules of procedural security council. which implies that the current president of the council calls a meeting upon the request of any council member. usually these equals some kind of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. and nobody questions such beats. but in these and this time at this time, we really looks like we really have ships, the nerve of our western colleagues, especially the french calling. there is nothing extra ordinary, not request. and we said that's the consequences of nato aggression. i felt until this date and actually all the problems that we have on the ball comes

specifically in the relations between serbia and it seems like robots costs of a. we're also triggered by need to address them. we can say that this is right there elements because say abuse has historic for fact only. there are a lot of historic situations on the agenda of the call. so that's a mets or even today. how can we discussed me the east, for example, without discussing the consequences of the last of, of 9 to 73, or 9 to 6 to 7 or even 1948 is absolutely impossible. so this is ridiculous. the last of all to yesterday, there were a 6 countries altogether, and actually it was a clear divide between the west some countries and along with some countries and the security council. so the west counsellors, the rest, some countries, they acted in line with the block discipline and they supported each other, but it was absolutely clear that their way behind these attempt to impose the sounds. so sheets in security council, which is

a very difficult to conceal from from world public. yeah, there are 15 countries, 5 permanent members. so we got just below the threshold without, without the 2nd number, the 6, if we adopt these very, promote is french logic. them of but in order to hold a meeting, we should have got a 9 volts for the meeting. so we will have a short sale zeros shorts of these 9 volts. but according to our logic, as french questions, not the agenda items that we used about the meeting itself. they should have. uh, they should have updates uh, 9 volts, but the president of japan. also blaine doesn't bleed into the hands of western countries for obvious reasons. and so she didn't want to formulate the question in the right way. that's happened sometimes. unfortunately, i'm just curious across some people in serbia just to pick up and something you said people in the country who survived the, the 78 days of nato bombing. and then of course,

the aftermath where many more people died and they said, we will never forgive. and we will never forget. but you think that you and you've mentioned some of the countries involved, that the western powers that took part wish that they could for a guest thought it was just essentially put under the rug. exactly. that was behind their reasoning, french and best of the planes. that's uh, survey, it was not aware of the fact of the meeting, so we're actually able to consult with sylvia. and this was a belief and flight because so that was very much interested in the folding, these meeting up to everything. prime minister, even. so that's just a case specifically to new york to be brought to this meeting and run the friendship presented to was thinking she was teaching in default listening. and so he's basically explains that. so it'd be, it was not the way of freshman requests. so actually, to a survey who was even more interested to spell that through the spell out the truth about what has happened then to remind the consequences of this aggression. i still

felt this do felt by people leaving their hands. we had to reverse the whole mind, very thankful for their readiness to participate in these reverse whereabouts to explain in detail what are the consequences for certain population medical uh, ecological infrastructure or whatever that i felt even right now, 25 years after these aggression. so these would have been a very, very important discussions, and of course it gave our west and colleagues hold seats and they wanted to avoid that as any prize. and that's why the really uh, stakes the for the ability and the they all started to the council asking for the so the degree to a procedural goals and trying to conceal the fact that they were questioning the effect of the meeting and not the item on the edge and the reason

was very shameful and pathetic to which there may be people are watching, sir, wondering why 255 years old. that of course, the anniversary is so significant this week. but why the offense of what happened in you? then you can slow, i'll be a why are they so important? know for russia that they are important not only for us and they are important for the whole world. and we see that there are still open. the ones in the ball comes, not only is serbia bucks elsewhere, and especially when we speak about the relations between billed rate increase to now there are a lot of the full outs that's really offensive as, as a substitute for them right now in serbia and around and so the cost of assorted is defining international community. i define security council resolutions. the relevance of 1st and foremost, foremost, 1244 recently were shows that the elementary assembly of the council

of europe recommended the mission. of course of all uh to the council, which is a clear violation of resolution $1244.00. so all this things are happening because of a need to aggression goes through gus. love it because of the fact that the national war was absolutely devastated tons of rapes by with some countries they bypassed skewed to cancel the movements uh the this to the pressure china will not support such an action some some scholars believe that this was a turning points in the whole system of international relations because this one was kind of different uh, the freezing or for the free for the freezing of the contradictions that have frozen off to the cold war. so it was kind of a resurrection of, of, of cold void searching for. and i think that there are a lot of reasons for that. so we, we believe that these presidents,

when the need so of luck attacked an independent country and actually sees about to get started today. and them declare it's uh, the independent clause, the independent states. they are of always imposing on every body to recognize these states. this is likely a precedent when the post war, a post cold war system was chapter and the helsinki act was chapters at this moment . and of course, the west doesn't want to acknowledge it. they, they say that doesn't matter very much. they are now referring to the ones that happened in 2022, but they are absolutely authentic and trying to conceal the truth about this aggression and its role in international relations. and the, they're all of which fall out in the national relations years. a lot of fab big topics there. i'll return to something a little bit later if i can,

but just returning to 1999. what was your assessment? what is your assessment of russia's stance on the nato bombing campaign of thought? time on? how's most school was position shifted at all over the years since then? well, that was the turning point. i remember it's quite well, it was already a young diploma to me before and service. and the very many people remember as well. that's uh, there was these famous, so you turn over the atlantic or the russian or by the russian federal government. so you're getting you pretty my goals. you was going to washington to sign. so it's in agreements about financial assistance from the states and the international money to the funds. so what that i don't remember exactly about people that decision. i'm going to learn to about the aggression to make a u turn indicated. tons of moscow. this all was a very symbolic and so i think that was the rights move to make because it was absolutely clear at this point. that's the only problem is this of the west. all

the, all the hopes that there will be a fair international system built up to the dissolution of the soviet union out that, that's the west will keep the problem is that where you want to, to solve you attend the russian leaders. and that moment all these hopes are absolutely useless and baseless the west is having its own agenda and it's implies these, these time and then some flies uh, doing away with you guys live in serbia who knows what will be next time. so they move right down where kind of a shock, because people really where hoping that this going out, this would never happen. that way, hoping that where there were some openings in the relations between the russian, the west. they were hoping that the, the, through the events of the cold war has gone forever. but the west with his actions proved otherwise. and we are where we are. i think that

a lot of things that are happening to the also route back to these very unfortunate to the criminal decision by anybody need to lead us just to point out what the russian leader has said. subsequent, the following were put in stating at the bombing of belgrade was a turning point for most to itself. and one of the defining moments between east and west since the cold war a, do you agree that it was significant? how's that? it's absolutely, absolutely. i would like to say that so this is a, this is a ethics ethics of, of these time and the ethics of international relations. and of course, this is a benchmark the hallmark that we all remember and this will forever stay in our memory and no matter how the west tries to, to consume with them to put it in the shade they will never succeed. in doing so. the western refusal to discuss the events come shortly after serbian president alexandra bu. church warren,

that quote difficult days lie ahead for his country. what do you think he meant by that? well, i may be mistaken, but it looks like she was mentioning this decision. that's the reference to the decision of 11th or assembly on the council of europe to meet the customer as an independent states. this is of course, total violation of international law for you guys, security council resolution, absolute lawlessness places, and the police on the example of these rules based international order that the us on this allies promoting where they are formulating the rules and they are asking and demanding that all this a be to this rules, it says nothing to do with international law. and you mentioned costs of where earlier, the self proclaimed authorities there, or how they choose moscow trying to use the issue of the nato bombing of deepest lobby of some sort of justification for what is now happening in ukraine. how would

you respond to that as well? is difficult for me to comment, so what's the, what's on the minds? i think they'd better think about how to manage the problems that they have created in relations between christian and build rate. we recently discussed in the security council of the issue of the banning of the circulation of serbian deena in the northern parts of, of casa, which means the life of tolerable for thought for certain population of these, of these the area. there are a lot of other things that's cost of lead us from is to build right in the framework of the brussels discussions under the us of the european union. but the gaps, no single pro from is out of this and things are further being complicates. it's by these uh, the prospect of, of course, so uh, being admitted to the council of europe this up to so again,

friends to formulate the reaction. but this is absolutely disgusting, frankly, what the worst is doing in these so called solicitation. so i think that the cost of all the fact i started to distribute to think about this events and lots of mentions, something else happening in the other. but, you know, you can solve an ukraine, have both become focal points in the re shipping on orders in europe. however, while the west was quick to back, the self proclaimed independence of costs of a rapidly quick. i remember when that happened it's refused to recognize rushes, re unification, to try me on more recently for new regions. can i get your, your, why such an inc consistent approach to this? it just seems to be an opposite the different levels as well. these are absolutely shameful of the blades and double standards. we discussed this issue repeatedly with the rest of the colleagues,

but they pretend to be absolutely deaf blinds. and now, when we raise these issues, we, for example, point out to them that you know, even costs of the independence was brooklyn's by the problem. whereas the decision on the pry me or was the can as a result of the financing. so if you speak about democratic procedures, then they way absolutely observed in case of, of russia, but they were absolutely disregard as in case of costs a. so of course, these are, these are believes on the double standards. this is the, uh, the cornerstone of these um, a double stand that sound the policy of rules based international order that the west is trying to impose. i think this is obvious for everybody, for every unbiased scroll up for every unbiased diploma is absolutely clear. or what has happened in past summer and what are the for a lot, what does they fall out of? it's on, on all of us. if i can turn away from the uh,

you can stop the anniversary for a moment or 2 and talk about the un security console itself. so to what extent is it still relevant able to fully function when it comes to conflicts like you brain on gaza. there's some critics say it's turning into another league of nations which became the funds that had of the 2nd world war. how does the time come to reform the u. n. s. c, and what sort of changes are needed there in your, if you? well, frankly, i don't think that the skillets across the security council is the relevant and the, i don't think that there's a price comparison between the u. m and the league of nations. the big difference is of the existence of, of the permanent members of the security council, or have the right to veto. this is a very important function which x actually should be viewed as the

key incentive to find and negotiate a solution. and that's how it usually works. for example, recently a restaurant china use the veto when you yes, tables resolution, which was actually the green light for you. so to continue what it does in gaza, which reference to the ceasefire, which was actually the main demands of the international community only as the tournament determines, the imperative of immediacy is fine. so i really felt on the stand. what does it determines to imperative on how it would have been implemented practically? so when he told these draft, and immediately after this uh, there was another draft prepared by a non permanent members of the security council which demanded ceasefire. and these draft was adopted, the bulk of the situation was on the agenda of the security calls of those where there are no deep differences among the 5 permanent members. and so they are,

the council is very efficient. forget the council works together. i specifically have in mind for example, african issues or like columbia or some other crisis situation so. so these 2 issues, they have very important. they are very loud, but they do not to present the bulk of the agenda, all disagreements because of the counsel of course needs to be reformed. everybody agrees that it's needs to beautiful, but the positions of the cancer has a very different they have anybody, for example, acknowledges that's a security council. it should be the composition of the security council should reflect the situation in the world. and that's, there should be a correction officer, started can justice was african continental issues, numerous and we should presents a lot of items on the agenda of security council. so everybody's in favor of adding a african members to the security council. same of all different kinds of age in

america, but they are, there is also understanding that's such an important issue as any form of disagree with your call. so uh, should i come through a solution which would be uh, ideally, consensual or close to this because this is something that can be imposed by a majority to minority, for example, is a vote in the general assembly. this is too important, and this will never work if it is the case, and they are comp some diverse, you'll see that version says on the representation. for example, it all shot and some other countries clearly saying that the rest is over at present. and i think that the recent situation that we just talked about discussion was in the, in the us live, i'm using clearly shows this, the western countries, they use blog discipline and the defect to block uh, security costs are from discussing the issues that they don't want to discuss, they have these kids on the beach, so sometimes united states and its allies, they don't need to devote against. and this doesn't count as

a veto power because because um we simply do not have enough votes to proud to remo. the decisions definitely want. so the west is already presented various of the international or arena. now they're all over the west is declining bestbuy to clear out the voices of a african agent wage and american countries of sounding louder and louder. and they are not codes in the security call. so either way they should be hers. and just finally, and i hope i don't part of the phrase you wrongly but, but earlier you're saying that if you don't have an understanding of the past, you're doing to repeat the mistakes in the future. not if we go, if we look at certain things in the recent past, the past 100 years or so, you've got to san francisco conference in 1945 famously annual at the post world war 2 order of international relations. the most to summit in 1989 the us and the soviet union to turn the end of the cold war, essentially paving the way for

a unique portal world order. know that the world is again going through a huge change. the next lunmark peace conference, b as world altering it. is there it is there a bill it so you for that to happen on where could that happen? well, it's difficult to speak about through this stage because we are not there yet. i think that at this stage the west is still trying to print and that's uh, nothing is happening. that's uh the world is not changing in the way it is changing and they are trying to degree and to grasp that's there waiting position in the world. but this is the process that we, we negatively come to the point where then you, then you will to really manage the multiple world. and we will of course, have to discuss of the foundations of this world. by the way, i could say maybe some people will not agree with me about the u. m. b. and shouldn't be very helpful in these exercise because the chapter of the down is the

basis for an international lawyer. as you're on the is in itself. it's the, the cornerstone of multi polarity is the question of interpretation. not the fact that the, for example, the charts that needs to be corrected. so in the, in the so that way it's not necessarily so, so why don't you have there when we could discuss the next conference where it should take place and make some traveling arrangements for these so far the way to so just varies, step stubborn. it doesn't once dialogue, it still has some hoops to inflict to my country strategic defeats or at least a week, and it's significantly, but it's quite obvious from what we see in reality. that's um, this is really wishful thinking. i'll follow with some neighbors and they will inevitably come to the understanding that we should talk. we should speak about the root cause is not,

that's what happens in 2022 as the for them that this is the uh, the only thing that we can discuss and all we should discuss a lot of things including gus, lot of you, including needs are in large amounts including the uncapped promises of uh, what's the latest to up to the saga ton, the address and lead us at least a lot of issues that should be a very frank discussion and we are ready for these. we already, we always the cold for the west, stay engaged on site discussion. you know, that we made the proposal proposals on european security and in the, in late 2021, which with understandingly rejected by the us and by need. so there are a lot of things to be discussed and i'm sure we will find a time and place provided the west uh, takes away, so rosie glosses and looks at the reality, which is quite green for some transfers right now. well, thank you for having a dialogue with our tea. you've been more than good with your time today, sir. we've been speaking to rest as deputy and pastor to the united nations.

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