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mr. plug into you're most welcome to the program. thank you. so once again, our discussion of this security council on nato is actions and you can slow obviated, they've been blocked. why are western powers in your views so reluctant to, to even reflect on that episode of their military intervention? i think they, they are afraid they, i free the tools that will come out. they don't want the world to leave some, once again to the details of a, that's a horrible military campaign. i'm totally unlawful new to the company and that the

conductance against against so you've got a lot of you. they also don't want us to highlights the responsibility of their leaders at the time of need to leaders. that's why they want to, to shut the miles of everybody. they are not interested in this, but in reality, we 1st ask before the, before these meeting on monday and differentiate presented to using proceed. procedural uh, rooms is uh, blocked uh, a beats. but in reality, we stopped at every meeting of the security council during this week, with highlighting these procedural, russo follow a french colleagues and 14 for the vote of the agenda on the meeting. and we also squeezed the phrase or 2 about nato's aggression. i guess you guys slide here, so instead of having one meeting on monday, just are they actually had the whole week. it's worth pointing it as well, isn't it fed? russia simply requested a discussion regarding the nato bombing a,

not the adoption of any kind of formal resolution on the monitor. something as basic as that on the 1st real, significant down there for history, all of the bombing 25 years on. it's an important date. it was that are opposition from a specific countries you mention france, there was, it was at one reason, do think a certain reason or where there are various reasons why why those countries did not . why that was so such opposition to having a discussion of the debate. this is something that's uh, usually not happening the as a un and the security council because there is an article uh, number 2 of the provisional rules of procedure of security council. which implies that the, the current president of the council calls a meeting upon the request of any council member. usually these equals some kind of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. and nobody questions such beats. but

in these and this time at this time, we really looks like we really have shipped the nerve fall west some colleagues, especially the french calling. there is nothing extra ordinary now. requests, and we said that's the consequences of nato aggression. i felt until this date and actually all the problems that we have on the ball comes specifically in the relations between serbia and it seems like robots costs of a. we're also triggered by need to address them. we can say that this is right there. elements. we can say that this is historic, for fact only, there are a lot of historic situations that on the agenda of the council, that's a mets or even today. how can we discuss middle east, for example, without discussing the consequences of the last of the 1973 or 9 to 6 to 7, or even 1948. it's absolutely impossible. so this is ridiculous at the last world.

yesterday, there were a 6 countries altogether, and actually it was a clear divide between the west some countries and along with some countries on the security council. so the west counsellors, the rest, some countries, they acted in line with the block discipline and they supported each other, but it was absolutely clear that there were behind these attempt to impose the censorship and security council, which is a very difficult to conceal from, from, will public yeah, there are 15 countries, 5 permanent members, so we got just below the threshold without, without the 2nd number, the 6, if we adopt these very, promote is french logic. them of put in order to hold a meeting, we should have got a 9 volts for the meeting. so we will have a short sale, zeroed shorts of these 9 volts. but according to our logic, as french questions, not the agenda items that we used about the meeting itself. they should have. uh,

they should have updates uh 9 volts, but the president uh japan, also blaine's the blades into the hands of the western countries for obvious reasons. and so she didn't want to formulate the question in the right way. that's happens sometimes. unfortunately, in this case, across the people in serbia, just to pick up and something you said people in the country who survive, they the 78 days of nato bombing. and then of course, the aftermath where many more people died. and they said we will never forgive, and we will never forget. but you think that you and you've mentioned some of the countries involved, that the western powers that took part wish that they could for a guest thought it was just essentially put under the rug. exactly, that was behind their reasoning, french and best of the planes. that's uh survey. it was not aware of the fact of the meeting. so what i should be able to consult with serbia. and this was a belief and flight because so that was very much interested in the folding,

these meeting. ok to everything. prime minister, even so that's just a case specifically to new york to be brought to this meeting and run the friendship presented. he was thinking she was teaching him default listening to his beasley explains that certainly it was not the way of freshman request. so actually, to a survey who was even more interested to spell that through the spell out the truth about what has happened then to remind that the consequences of this aggression i still felt they still felt by people leaving their hands. we had to reverse the whole mind, very thankful for their readiness to participate. and these refers whereabouts to explain in detail what are the consequences for certain population medical, uh, ecological infrastructure or whatever that i felt even right now. uh, 25 years after these aggressions, at least, would have been a very, very important discussions. and of course, it gave our western colleagues uh, hold seats and they wanted to be aware that this enterprise and that's why the

really uh, that steak the, for the ability and the they all started to the council asking for the. so the degree to a procedural votes and trying to conceal the fact that they were questioning the effect of the meeting and not the item on the edge. and the reason was very shameful and pathetic to which there may be people watching start wondering why 255 years old. that of course, the anniversary is so significant this week. but why the offense of what happened in you then you can slot be? why are they so important? no, for russia is very important not only for us, and they are important for the whole world. and we see that there are still open holes in the ball comes not only in serbia, but elsewhere. and especially when we speak about the relations between billed rate increase to now there are

a lot of the full outs that's really offensive as as insensitive frequently right now. in serbia and around and the cost of assorted is defining international community have defined security council resolutions. the relevance of 1st and foremost, foremost 1244 recently were shows that the. ringback elementary assembly of the council of europe recommended the mission. of course, of all uh to the council, which is a clear violation of resolution $1244.00. so all this things are happening because of a need to address and it goes to gus lobby because of the fact that the national war was absolutely devastated to tons of rapes by west some countries. they bypassed a security council that moments. they understood that russia and china will not support such an action. uh some uh, some scholars believe that this was

a turning points in the whole system of international relations. because this was kind of different uh, the freezing or for the free for the freezing of the contradictions uh that frozen off to the cold war. so that it was kind of a resurrection of, of, of cold void southern form. and i think that there are a lot of reasons for that. so we, we believe that these presidents are when the need so blocks attacked an independent country and actually sees about to get started today. and them declare it's uh, the independent clause, the independent states, leader of always imposing on everybody to recognize these states. this is likely a precedent when the post war, the post cold war system was chapter and the helsinki act was chapters at this moment. and of course, the west doesn't want to acknowledge it. they, they say that doesn't matter very much. they are now referring to the ones that

happened in 2022. but they are absolutely authentic in trying to conceal the truth about this aggression and its role in international relations and the, they're all over, it's full out and that the national relations here is a lot of fab big topics there. i'll return to something a little bit later if i can, but just returning to 1999. what was your assessment? what is your assessment of russia's stance on the nato bombing campaign after time on? has most schools position shifted at all over the years since then? well that was the turning point. i remember it's quite well, i was already a young diploma to me before and service and the very many people remember as well that's uh there was these famous. so you turn over the atlantic by the russian by the russian federal government. so you're getting,

you're pretty michael. he was going to washington to sign. so it's in agreements about financial assistance from the states and the international money into the funds. so what that i don't remember exactly about people that decision, i'm going to learn to about the aggression to make a u turn indicated tons of to moscow. this all was a very symbolic. and so i think that was the rights move to make because it was absolutely clear at this point. that's the only problem is this of the west. all the, all the hopes that there will be a fair international system built up to the dissolution of the soviet union out that the west will keep the problem is that way, given to, to solve you attend the russian leaders at that moment. all these hopes are absolutely useless and baseless the west is having its own agenda and its implies these these time and then as implies doing away with us live in serbia, who knows what will be next time. so the moods right them where kind of a shock,

because people really where hoping that this going out, this would never happen. that way hoping that where there were some openings in the relations between the russian, the west. they were hoping that the, the, through the events of the cold war has gone forever. but the west with its actions proved otherwise. and we are where we are. i think that a lot of things that happen easily also reach back to these very unfortunate to the criminal decision by anybody need to lead us just to point out what the russian leader has said subsequently valid, were put in stating at the bombing of belgrade was a turning point for most school itself on one of the defining moments between east and west since the cold war a do you agree that it was a significant? how's that? it's absolutely, absolutely. i would like to say that. so this is a, this is a ethics ethics of, of these time and the ethics of international relations. and of course, this is

a benchmark, a hallmark that we all remember and this will forever stay in our memory. and no matter how the west tries to, to consume attempt to put it in the shade they will never succeed. in doing so. the western refusal to discuss the events coming shortly after serbian president alexandra bu church warren, that quote difficult days lie ahead for his country. what do you think he meant by that? well, i may be mistaken, but it looks like she was mentioning this decision. that's a reference to the decision of 11th or assembly on the council of europe to meet the customer as an independent states. this is of course, total violation of international law for you and security council resolution absolute. lola's was basis the blaze on the example of these rules based international order that the us on this allies promoting where they are formulating

the rules and they are asking and demanding that all this a be to this rules. it says nothing to do with international law, and you mentioned costs of oh, earlier, the self proclaimed authorities there or how they choose moscow trying to use the issue of the nato bombing of deepest lobby as some sort of justification for what is now happening in ukraine. how would you respond to that as well? is difficult for me to comment. so what's the, what's on the mind? i think they'd better think about how to manage the problems that they have. great, it's in relations between christian and build, read. we recently discussed in the secuity call, so of the issue of the banning of the circulation of serbian deena in the northern parts of, of casa, which made the life of tolerable for thought for certain population of these, of these areas. there are

a lot of other things that's cost of leaders from is to build right in the framework of the brussels discussions under the use of the european union. but the gaps, no single pro from is out of this and things are further being complicates. it's by these uh, the prospect of, of course, so uh, being admitted to the council of europe this up to so again, friends to formulate their reaction. but this is that something disgusting. frankly, what the west is doing in these costs of a situation. so i think that the uh, possible effect i started to distribute to think about this events and lots of mentions, something else happening in the other. but you can solve an ukraine, have both become focal points in the re shaping of borders in europe. however, while the west was quick to back, the self proclaimed independence of the cost of a rapidly quick. i remember when that happened, it's refused to recognize russia's re unification to try me on more recently for

new regions. can i get your, your, why such an inconsistent approach to this? it just seems to be an opposite the different levels as well. these are absolutely shameful. the blades and the double standards. we discussed this issue repeatedly with the rest of the colleagues, but they pretend to be absolutely deaf blind. and now when we raised these issues, we, for example, point out to them that you know, even costs of independence was brooklyn's by the problem. whereas the decision on the try me or was they can as a result of for different brands. and so if you speak about democratic procedures to them, they way absolutely observed in case of, of russia. but they were absolutely disregard as in case of costs or so of course, these are, these are believed on the double standards. so this is the,

the cornerstone of these double stand that sound the policy of rules based international order. that's the west is trying to impose. i think this is all because for everybody, for every unbiased scroll up for every unbiased diploma, this is absolutely clear or what has happened. impossible. and what are the for a lot, what does that fall out of? it's uh on, on all of us, if i can turn away from the uh, you can stop the underbrush tree for a moment or 2 and talk about the un security council itself. or to what extent is it still relevant able to fully function when it comes to conflicts like ukraine, on gaza? there's some critics say it's turning into another league of nations which became the funds they had of the 2nd world war. how does the time come to reform the u. n . s. c, and what sort of changes are needed there in your if you well, frankly, i don't think that the skillets across the security council is the relevant. and

the, i don't think that there's a price comparison between the u. m. and the, the league of nations. the big difference is of the existence of, of the permanent members of the security council, or have the rights of each of these is a very important function which x actually should be viewed as the key incentive to find and negotiate a solution. and that's how it usually works. for example, recently a restaurant china to use the veto when you yes. table to resolution, which was uh, actually the green light for you is that it will continue what it does in gaza. which reference to the ceasefire, which was actually the main demands of the international community, only has determined, determines the imperative of immediacy is fine. so i really felt on the stand, what does it determines to imperative and how it would have been implemented

practically. so when he told these draft, and immediately after this, uh, there was another draft prepared by the non permanent members of the security council, which demanded ceasefire. and these draft was adopted. the bulk of the situation was on the agenda of the security cause of those where there are no deep differences among the 5 permanent members. and so they are, the council is very efficiently forget the council works together. i specifically have in mind for example, that frequently issues or like columbia know some other crisis situation so. so these 2 issues, they are very important. they are very loud, but they do not to present the bulk of the agenda. i'll disagree with you, cause the counsel of course needs to be reformed. everybody agrees that it's needs to be before, but the positions of the cancer has a very different they have. anybody for example, acknowledges that's a security council. it should be the compositional disagree with your council

should reflect the situation in the world. and that's there should be a correction officer. started can justice was the african continental, which is numerous and which represents a lot of items on the agenda of security council. so everybody's in favor of adding a african members to the security council. same about different translates in america, but they are, there is also understanding that's such an important issue as a form of disagree with your call. so uh, should come through a solution which would be. busy ideally consensual or close to this because this is something that can be imposed by a majority to minority, for example, is a vote in the general assembly. this is too important and this will never work. if it is the case, then there comes some diversion. says that version says on the presentation, for example, that i shot and some other countries clearly saying that the rest is over

representative. and i think that the recent situation that we just talked about discussion, ways in the, in the us live, anything clearly shows this, the western countries, they use blog discipline and the defect to block uh, security costs are from discussing the issues that they don't want to discuss, they have these kids on the beach, so sometimes united states and its allies, they don't need to devote against them. this doesn't count as a veto power because because um, we simply do not have enough votes to proud to remo. the decision will definitely want, so the west is already presented. where else are the international or arena? they're all of the west is declining. best buy the clear sounds, the voices of the african agent. ways in american countries. uh, sounding loud and loud and they are not codes in the security call. so either way they should be sure. and just finally and hope i don't part of phrase you wrongly but, but earlier you're saying that if you don't have an understanding of the past,

you're doing to repeat the mistakes in the future. not if we go, if we look at certain things in the recent past, the past 100 years or so, you've got the san francisco conference in 1945 famously annual at the post world war 2 order of international relations. the most to summit in 1989 the us and the soviet union, the current, the end of the cold war, essentially paving the way for a uni portal world order. know that the world is again going through a huge change. the next lunmark peace conference, b as world offering it is there. is there a bill it to you for that to happen on where could that happen? well, it's difficult to speak about through this stage because we are not there yet. i think that at this stage the west is still trying to print and that's uh, nothing is happening. that's uh the world is not changing in the way it is changing and they are trying to degree to grasp. that's there waiting position in the world

. but this is the process that we, we negatively come to the point where then you, then you will to really manage the multiple world. and we will of course, have to discuss of the foundations of this world. by the way, i could say maybe some people will not agree with me about the u. m. b. and shouldn't be very helpful in these exercise because the chapter of the i'm is the basis for international law as you're on the is in itself. it's the, the cornerstone of multi polarity is the question of interpretation. not the fact that the, for example, the charts that needs to be corrected. so in the, in the so that way it's not necessarily so, so why don't you have there when we will discuss the next conference where it should take place and make some traveling arrangements for these so far the way to so just varies, step stubborn. it doesn't, once dialect still has some folks to inflict to my country strategic defeats or

at least a week. and it's significantly, but it's quite obvious from what we see in reality. that's um, this is a really wishful thinking. i'll follow with some neighbors and they will inevitably come to the understanding that we should talk. we should speak about the root cause is not, that's what happens in 2022 is the for them that this is the uh, the only thing that we can discuss and what we should discuss a lot of things, including gus, lot of you including needs are in large amounts including the uncapped promises of uh, what's the latest to, to the saga ton, the address and lead us at least a lot of issues that should be very frank discussion and we are ready for these. we already, we all was cold for the west, stay engaged on site discussion. you know, that we made the proposal proposals on european security and in the, in late to 1021,

which with understandingly rejected by the us and by need. so there are a lot of things to be discussed on that. i'm sure we will find a time in place provided the west uh, takes away, so rosie glosses and looks at the reality, which is quite green for some cancers right now. well, thank you for having a dialogue with our tea. you've been more than good with your time today, sir. we've been speaking to rest as deputy and foster to the united nations. dimitri pol against the good to see you the, the big, the band this to go ahead they for assumption, i'm assuming i should but have to think is the one who

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