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killed and dozens injured. and the latest is rarely strike on the central jaws. a hospital with thousands of civilians have been sheltering since the scots of the idea is the headlines that one minute past 2 am this monday morning on pizza, scott. 105. with another look, interest under the hello and welcome to cross talk. bullhorn design. peter a little here, we discussed some real news. the russians are coming, the russians are coming. here we go again. the more the west becomes on sure of itself. the more a blaine's russia is the west afraid of its own shadow. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he is a pod cast through at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and in marrow cash,

we have martin j. he's award winning, journalist and commentator. read gentleman cross lock rules and fact that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. all right, let's get this off with george in budapest, georgia. you and i noticed due to our pod, cast it a growing contradictions. if we can put it that way. okay. so some people call it mon, newer we'll get back to that comment in a minute. but um, um the white house is really intent um, bear with me claiming that they knew all along what was going on and the russians just wouldn't pay attention. you know, um uh, it's their fault. we gave them fair warning, of course, and making reference to the terrorist attack in the concert hall a little over a week ago. been judge they, they, they know all about that, but they don't know about north stream. i mean, i, i don't understand the, it's, it is very hard to understand and you're absolutely right. it's very, very odd. so when the u. s embassy issue. this warning on march the 7th.

then you can understand why the rush of authority is where a little wary. how does a, the americans come to have such fantastic the great intelligence about what's going on here. given the limited presence uh in, in russia, and then they know all about a, any pending terrorist attack, which is what they were suggesting. now, anyone who as follows, terrorist investigations knows that is the person who gives you the tip off with a bus. the claims the found the bomb, who becomes the media suspect, because obviously going to be such a wonderfully and for your display as to know about something that's about to happen. so you can see why russia was very wary and, and when the president boots and they made the statements here, he said that somehow the, what the americans were doing was very suspicious. so now the americans are doing

this, this bizarre thing of taking victory labs. so i, well we, we were still waiting on the bull and the russians really what it was was. so slowing it, well, why, why, why were you on the boat? what was it that you knew? because quite obviously you didn't provide any useful, reliable intelligence as so it does, it becomes very, very straight as well in georgia. so they, they, they, they, us, ottam came out within an hour or so and said it was the ice escape. but what's an ice? this k involved in the killing of the 13 service member members as couple airport. i mean, they didn't know about that block, but in, in they were there in afghanistan. okay. that's exactly right. 20 years by the way that which one that everybody has. and then you know, think about that. well that, that was a big shock for us. yeah. no, i, that there's no question that they may reclaim those. those to be absolutely certain that it was uh, i says with a in, uh huh. now, uh, what happens. well,

i mean, not only, you know, anybody else has bought dissipation, not only were they certain it was an ices k, but if i go to martin right now, they are absolutely certain it was in ukraine. that's very interesting to come up with that kind of message simultaneously. we know who did it. we know who didn't. well, why would you mention who didn't do it because they didn't do it. i don't understand that martin does not much credibility to others. i really, i mean, you know, we are living in the period now all extreme, this information and unfortunately because of major as i pull and so serve uh to these uh, intelligence leaks so briefings, you know, we have this situation now where by the media basically endorses some of these ludicrous statements and more or less people swallow that you know, because people are becoming more not even more stupid. so i said unfortunately, well, you know, when we talk about isis, the thing that strikes me as a, as an old hack this, what's in syria and what, 1011 and for years is what people forget about isis. and this may well have been

a point for the russians. is isis brutally speaking, divides into 2 groups in, in iraq and syria. and it is broadly the ones that the americans comp controlled and then who are completely federal, completely out of control. and all the hard cool extreme is terrorist organization that is doing what it needs to do. but then the other group is the ones that have actually been coalesced into taking money from the met on the met and encourage shayton themselves with the american payroll. and we saw this in serial mutual direct. we sold this in, in raska, in syria, where by right lines were created by the americans to allow ices flights is to leave and to reform and se serial. so when, so even if the americans did give this tip to the russians, you know, you can put yourself in a position to russian in terms of his looking at that and thinking, well, you know, well, i says that you're talking about your, i says, what was the other isis or,

you know, so the account you currently the blame the russians already know, acting on it. but as i think the statement of self love, they, they did act on the original very general tip. they did react on that george and, and it was uh, you know, a dot. okay. and this is like that, right. and they did mean the issue this morning on march the 7th. and i think 2 days later, they apparently swore to some kind of a um, impending attack on a uh, on the synagogue. and they the couple of, uh, cause that's what killed um. so yeah, they did. um, but then they thought, well yeah, this is something reliable and i think is martin points out for the, for the russians. they are indeed very suspicious about isis. they don't really thing that i assist has latanya most existence. and that it is actually a creation of the, the west and particularly the american intelligence agencies and in the,

in israel. and we know, you know, the story that's basically it is, is never seems to attack israel. and the very is a very moment when is, well, is a waging this uh, earth, a war against muslims. that strangely enough list supposedly, gee, how the radical islam is muslim organization doesn't. they targets a israel, but i guess rush it to obviously there is something very suspicious about but, and again, you know, as we need to emphasize, why would the united states and my crone and everybody else is the british immediately rollout any ukrainian connection when we have looked into it, there is a ukrainian as long as connection as well. martin, there's actually a very long one. i mean, he goes back even to the independence. that'd be great. in 1991 where we have had these groups of, uh, most likely sponsored in one form or another by the c i a and then my 6 they have

have been in ukraine. and we know that after the illegal cooling 2014, that these groups, these militia groups that were invited, they thoughts on this, on the side of neo nazis against the people of the don bouts. this is all well documented. okay. i mean, this is not, you know, something that's made out of thin air like would be us, the state department does on a daily basis. martin to. yeah, i mean, uh, you know, when they, the, the americans on the press of refused to, to join up the adults. i think, uh, you know, that really says a lot about what was already going on here. this is a, this is a play. this is a, a, roost by america to come off as the victor and, you know, by the needs victories no matter how pathetic and how remedial and mine is. they may, will be he, you know, he's scrambling to really take any of victory, a can get a package it, i give it to his friends in the media because he's got now what 6 months ahead of him where he's gonna really face of baptism. the 5 from angry americans who are

demanding what you keep telling us the american economy is great. but what am i spending 3040 percent, sometimes even 50 percent more in the supermarket. you know why? um, more more people in america losing the homes, you know, and, and i think this is the really the problem. he's looking for media chaff. the, the, what the british will used to do, and the 2nd level of roll up the little bits of a new phone and threaten us out of airplanes. going as a germany to just to distract the radars and he needs that tough. and i think the story really is about that as a message. me to distraction well it, it goes a little bit further. um uh, speaking of the newer i was the one that mentioned that george and john john kirby's folks, him for the national security council. he said, rather bizarrely, but i'm going to quote him. russian officials seem to be pretty goodman, newer salesman. i mean, why the victory? all i mean, you know, it fresh, the russians were the victims here. okay. i mean, i, you know, you, you're the 1st one,

the 1st one here to use the word victory lapse is this warrant of victory lap. i think most people, when you hear the story, there's sympathy that civilians died. i don't think, you know, you can, you can create your own narrative, you know, make, they deserve it type, you know, and we hear that all the time from neil cons. but i mean, after this, this rate to be cut out to be deemed of victory left, but it certainly doesn't. and those who say the russians when the victims don't, will victims. and what exactly is the united states congratulating itself will came up? well, i think you and i figured it out there were simultaneously congratulating themselves in creating an alibi. it's kind of tied together. that's a good guess, like an hour. but when they finally gave a very vague warning, and as it was like the new york times of all places published as

a well actually the united states didn't review very much to the russians. because given how paul relations are between the united states and russia and given the war in ukraine, the united american intelligence is very wary. where it off revealing anything about sources and methods to rush it. so in fact, the, like the new york times that missed the, you know, the, that the americans really gave very little by way of anything i copied information . so why the victory lab? why, why you get to use the same, how well we have done and then other then when you're creating an out of life game, get to the point of why is that your, your, you come up with this statement on uh, on march the 7th, which is very vague. how do you come to know this? this was amazing. the thing of, i mean branding terrorist attacks in russia will places what did you say they didn't know anything about? and that there was that, that kind of goes out. and then having basic, you know,

provided they brought the information, you're thinking victory lives and coming up with these a terrible, just not the george. i mean to be cynical, i hate to say this because it's pure cynicism. but the victory lap is that this terrorist attack succeeded a i'm sorry. yeah. like to be both. i think it's and the alibi is i think a very good one. yeah. hate we did what we did we, we gave this a warning. so don't, don't point to anything, does it? uh so that's, that's what makes, i think, a little low been raised suspicious. and the russians do seem to be very suspicious of, you know, what the united states have been doing? well, i'm not considering martin, you ukraine has resorted as it loses on the battlefield to terrorist acts against civilians and russia. 30 seconds before we go to the break martin, why should we be surprised by that? you know, it's, it's typical. we've seen the past and the last few months, and i think we're going to see a lot more of that. you know, when, when a country is losing and well, it becomes more and more desperate. and when americans go to the moon to do some of

these more sensational stands, i think this is paul for the course. and i think we all going to see a lot more of it. we should be prepared for that. okay, gentleman got to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some with we on and stay with our to the the welcome back to prospect bullhorn design

funeral about your mind. you were discussing some real news join. let me go back to you in budapest here. i'll just kind of widen it out a little bit. as we all know, 2024 is a big election year all across the western world. and i'm not surprised. you're not surprised, martin is not surprised. our viewers are not surprised. russia gate is returned. okay. i'm in a new car nation of it here here. so, you know, the more, the more the ruling elite, so i don't care, you know, the liberal, conservative, whatever the, the, the more problems they face, the more they like to play that card. like to remind everyone, the initial integration of russia gave yielded, precious. we little of results for the people that peddled it and is george and 9 martin who pointed out over and over again. the original iteration nebraska gate were preciously few russians involved. we're seeing but we're seeing a repeat,

i guess because of the in their mind. it worked or they don't have any other tools in their tool kit. take it away. george. i think is a both. um you live uh, in a few weeks ago we had this case of this guy, alexander smearing off who been for a decade more than a decade a um, an f b i informant. that was who was actually being paid by the f b. i to gary on in the carrier intelligence operations on the, on the f b, i suddenly being arrested for full. i have apparently being a, a russian, this information agent. when only it was doing was what he was paid to the he was telling me is that the i handle as well? he, why do they want the year russians? i mean by the, you know, that that's what it meant for real. the guy had a russian name, he doesn't seem to be a russian. i mean, he was a jewel american, these randy citizen. and the prosecutors bizarrely said no, no, no, he has to be imprisoned awaiting trial and the trial maybe

a year's way because he might interfere with the 2024 presidential election. so now we have a un, it's original that in europe where apparently a massive intelligence operation of holding the checks, the belgians, the spanish, the germans, that cracked down on the, on the, on the russian. this installation ring a fact that they were running a website called voice of your up, um, which a, apparently they said was getting finance wrong victim meant that york and the great sin of this, uh, uh, the voice of your website was that it was questioning the territorial integrity and solve really to of ukraine, nebraska that merits uh to the closing down to the side, closing the red line. that's a red light bind and there's massive self. congratulations right here, a be a new of the media that finally what we're cracking down on the russian,

this information operation when nobody's even ever heard to this website, go ahead. no, i hadn't heard of a 100 and ok, but martin, you know, one of the interesting things is i, i mentioned a election season and, you know, i think the crown prince of political, this information is like political which you know, a job tonight. if this or a on a regular basis, um, but you know, one of the things that, you know, it's, they're like, it's far right. hard right populist, right? they've sort of, they slogan, eyes all of these things here. and we never know what those things mean. okay. i guess, you know, the, the, the common denominator is that people are dissatisfied with the status quote. so if you're to set, if you're not satisfied with the status quo, your bar right, either populist, i mean, it's, it's, it's very juvenile in, in inventory all the way they would present things. and of course,

their puppets are important. okay. that always has to be in there. go ahead, mark. it has to be, you know, i mean, as long as you question any narrative your inputs and spoke it. that's, that's now the norms these days. and it's just so sad, isn't it? but everything has been reduced to this incredibly low, futile, such as a level where there's no more debate, there's no more clever people talking about the real issues. there's no people and more people asking the real question to know if you put yourself in the button administration's position or there must be a lot as people who have a sleepless nights thinking about uh december because you know you're looking at now all time um a good, completely on president, if it goes on when we look at the how much confidence people have in the political system, i think is a survey just last week. we says 60 percent of americans don't believe in the system anymore, but we're not even talking about punches just the system. you know, and i think come, i'm also almost 60 percent believed that no more money or um should be sent to

ukraine. so biden's got a lot of problems, you know, he is a guy who looked backwards, he always looked back with. so we shouldn't be surprised that we're talking about russia gate once again. but somebody in worship gate and this whole idea of election interfering, you know, i, i think is kind of false or cool. i think i see is more of a joke. because 1st of all, who's making these accusations, america, who invented election into very, you know, i mean, this is the funniest. so, you know, you, you guys have been doing it. you pizza, you americans have been doing it since the beginning of, of the, of a forty's, you know, the end of the way, you know, where in america was interfering and in south america and central america. so it's a bit rich to pointing the finger at russia now, but if you look at the russians and boots and does he need it, does he really need to mess around with these things? them? and they're the big worry of by didn't know the which i read about is that he's really worried that you would have this happen leak. so how can league thing was

like henry's emails? and that's what they really worried about their word to a particular time at a certain point, 23 weeks before the election of a hacking league of that will toppled by them. i think buttons got bigger problems and that, you know, i think they're bigger issues that and people are wondering where the heat at these age and this is in these states. you should even be thinking about continuing. but for the russians, you know, into very little not, you know, i think i think was a plus by, by pub kitchen, as just my personal feel things a plus for him to say the item was preferred canada, so he couldn't cypress the trump because that might but for it and that she might get that munition to the democrat comp. yeah. might, might, might. yeah, that was kind of dabbling. i think it was just kind of being mysterious. i don't think a real i didn't really take it very serious. always fun. yeah, yeah, but, but, you know, georgia meeting the, you know, i have always looked at these things here. is it, it's not outside interference even though the, the, the us now talks about not using the exact terms, but the,

in the mean regime change in israel. okay. is if that would make a difference of consent for the palestinians. it wouldn't tear. but there is this enormous frustration that the elite is not going to continue to get its way. because irrespective of your, you know, if you are a trade, you need his, the stolen this year or the back point of shay or whatever more, more people same with the, the leads are presenting to us, doesn't work for us, but they're getting richer and richer. and they control the levers of media, of social media, all these things here. i mean, what is the ballad boxes? the last thing that's what 2016 was all about. you know, people voted for trump, you know, you know, what do you have to lose? well that, that phrase has more meaning now than ever before. george. that's exactly right. and i think that's why the leads us so obsessed about what's going to happen this year. so when they talk about this site, this voice of europe,

what is it that they are so upset about the reading stories that, that they don't want people to read business stories, they're about farmers protest. there are stories there about why a germans being through the roof for energy prices, but when north stream, which was that, you know, ready to go, this has a good, natural, cheap, natural gas to germany was destroyed. who destroyed the pipe. never was one of the questions that we us. and so how do it least respond? there's oh, there's this bluetooth built in is the one who's putting these things out with. and that's the reason of this. it shows this danger of this information operation, but they don't have any evidence that there's any rush or involved in any of this but, but yeah, i mean think they've been use outlets that they've giving us news. yeah, but i mean if there is, i don't know, maybe i'm being too simplistic about his, my meat that me mentioning north stream. i mean, and considering what we know isn't the enemy of the german people,

the united states and not russia. i mean, you know, there is no evidence that russia was involved in it. and then we know from the swedes and the danes and it's, they've thrown into the op of the term in. so, you know, will tell us really what happened and they will not do it because they know the result that is exactly and it goes back to what we were talking about at the start of the show, which was what, how is it the 18 months on and you still have no, i do blow up north stream, but you knew with an off, now the ice is an only ice is, was involved. but also you have, you have this, this junction whereby the russians are these before was incompetent. they called correct down on the terrorism in their own country, but a problem because they control every single thing in, in europe, just bipolar bands on the russian media. somehow the, you know, could well, you know, your opinions, americans that just complete the help was before. there's massive propaganda also

from moscow. imagine that it was the level of the such brilliance. that's a that the, the west, the media just collapse in abject the surrender before. uh, which is poisonous propaganda is i like to put it. yeah. you know, martin, you know you, you lived in the valley of the beast or a long time in brussels here. i mean, we were very little time left here. i mean, what's going on with my chrome? i mean, is he, you know, as he is he trying to style his internet pole in here? i mean, i, well, i'm truly one of the most bonus politicians of all time. i mean, this guy's been all over the place. okay. does he want to lead a bird to a brigade and up to the front and meet ukraine? now i see a lot. i say, oh, your family does. i'm following the american line, you know, to the, to the destruction of a point to such an extreme. we're all basically in the pocket of bite, and that sounds ridiculous. i mean, not that does sound propose to us, but i think the macro on it really realizes that if from victory comes in december,

then there is a strong likelihood that trump will throw the leave of madness and say, i'm going to pull america out of nature now i know that you would do that. i think you might somehow suspend right there and he will be funded. yeah, he'll, he'll do something like that and that's enough to terrify guys like my chrome and shields. and other, your pain data is because they know then then then the bill is going to be alice and alice completely, can we afford it? you know, with, with, with, with a situation now our economies is such a mess. you know, so i think come, we're living now in an age where there is no shame anymore for wisdom leaders to just openly lie and fabricate media stories. even if it's about themselves, if you look at the picture of mac chrome function to back, remember that zip that picture, these press people that look at the size of his biceps and i'll go online and look at the real size these biceps. i mean, the most shame, shame,

we're just making this b s up as we go along every single day because we a leads like micro on us fear the time is up. yeah. and they know what their time is up. that's why they have to have a blaming an outside power. and that's russia. alright gentlemen, that's all the time we have the thing, my guess in budapest and verification, of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are the so you connect some remember process rules the the, the, the,

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