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year with no offramp insight. many in the west are noticing, mixed signals from their respective governments about how this regional war may soon impact them at home. from doomsday, prepping, too patriotic calls to join the military. we'll explore some of the not so subtle messages coming from europe. all right, let's get into the m o. the b w. waco has issued a disturbing and warning to countries in europe. start stop piling medicines for new, clear emergencies. that message rang in 2023, and now by 2024. the message is about stockpiling. every thing you can at home, basic medicines and medical supplies, shelf stable food, water, batteries,

even candles. and when you read stories about celebrities and a lead flight mark zuckerberg, allegedly building some sort of doomsday or nuclear fall out of bunker in hawaii. you really start to wonder if perhaps they know something we don't. is there a cause for concern that expansion of the ukraine war is possible and just who would drive that expansion for more on this will bring in a geo political expert, wendy's and professor of political science and history at the university of oslo in norway, his newest book is out now called the ukraine war and the your ration world order professor. thank you so much for joining us. well, thank you from the new to. so i am seeing a lot of tv commercials magazine inserts billboard, social media posts, articles you from all over places across europe,

basically telling people to stock up on medicine because of forthcoming shortages, you know, just in case just in case. so i'll cup on shelf stable food, stuck up on water. be prepared. they say in case of what professor i mean for me when i hear this, i think of toilet paper because you know the great t p shortage of 2020. that was due to coven, but i don't get the sense that they're implying another pandemic will befall europe . what are they really saying here? well, listen with contradictory message. because on the one hand we hear from many official stats, there's no direct threats from russia. russia wouldn't dare to attack nato on the other hand, and we're also being told we have to prepare for war and the rush i couldn't talk about this is part of the, you know, conflicting messages we, we get all the time and the, but i guess this hyperlink, the fair or has some purposes for one,

it creates more incentives or willingness to invest more into the ukraine and more the assumption being that this uh confide ross over there, then we don't have to fight them here. but it could also be a warning for possible future need to enrollment. again, this would be a speculation, but obviously the worse and going us we have planned and us is to create an army, begins to collapse. nathan will have a dilemma descent it's, it's gonna watch you credit collapse and like said that this proxy or has been a failure in the fields or will in a real nato, then escalate by sending more long range missiles to weapons or sending actual more nato troops into ukraine in officially or under the printing flags. and both of which could then spark of the rest of, or between nato and russia. so it's,

it's so far it's unclear and this is just to increase the support for the current for, or planning for the situation to get to more moving more towards the direct force. so, but again, this is really strange august. no one's thinking about russia will invade that no one has clearly said exactly what will be the point of this or the strategy. now here are the states. we constantly hear mainstream media saying, put in, we'll just march into the you after the fall of ukraine. you know, despite his constant rejection and, and denial of this notion, and despite 0 evidence to support this claim that are being made by politicians here in the us and in europe. americans are split on whether or not to believe this . what about your pins? are they believing this allegation? well, i think they're also a bit split. part of it is because the narrative is not the consistent. because we

keep saying that it's important to get to your credit into nato, because russia would never dare to attach the ukraine if it was part of nato. on the other hand, were also told ones to the russians and done with ukraine is going to march into nato. so none of this really makes any sense of the content of both ways. you know, if we have a proper journalist with integrity, they would ask this question, which one is it about unfortunately, and no one's really putting forth a clear narrative. the main common denominator would be that we're being told, you know, we should say russia, but still we are more powerful, so it ends up nothing consists of and this is something that we see with the actually over, at least over the past 200 years. whenever there's a reference to the russian events take, you will not have to use either. it's hopelessly backwards or it's an overwhelming threats to civilization. and we'll see this in ukraine as well. you

know, the russians are stealing the toilets and washing machines to, to harvest them for computer chips. but at the same time, they're developing a doomsday device in space. you know, they can't take a single village with a new crane, but still they will uh, roll over over your unless something is done. so it's, um, i think it's uh that the divisions in the countries can be considered a product of this very inconsistent narrative. so, but again, this is the, the narrative we have. people are confused because the says, rushing, they did you claim that this invasion was on, provoked with us on, provoke the russia simply looking for a new territory. and if that's the case, it's an a form of opportunism. so it's there unpredictable where it will go next. but of course if you commit to draw some for golf then have to address other questions. as to what extent did we provide help to promote kits,

and then you would actually have to deal with the idea that there's a peaceful settlement to this, which we're not quite ready to do yet. so we're still sticking with unprovoked narrative, which i guess feels a lot of this confusion. yeah, let's also not forget young adult and birth public. we said the reason for the russian invasion was the expansion of nato into ukraine. a look at kind of had one thing on this cuz you said, yeah, no, sorry about that. this is part of the inconsistent narrative. because for years the nato secretary general of the installed works that listen and nato expansion had nothing to do with this more. this is just rush, i want to do restore the soviet union. and then when it's on a different topic is talking about expanding nato to to the sweden and finland. now, you know, he takes us victory lap and so, so listen, the russians told us the condition if, unless we accept their child for ukraine, they would invade because this was the main concern for the russians. no more nato

expansion or will. and they do credit and he says, well, of course we said no and rushing, baited. and now not the same time any saying, listen, we a, the russians wanted less nato on their border. now they're getting more. so this was kind of the victory a lot, but now he's been saying 2 things. this has nothing to do with nato, and this is the reason why russian made it. so again, this 2 things can both be true. so ideally you, this is when a journalist would come up to say, well, which one is it like a stupid thing to contradict your things? but she hasn't been asked that question yet. so this fear monitoring over russia, the constant comparison between put in and hitler or russia and the nazis. obviously, world war 2, strikes a different nerve in europeans and it does for americans. because, you know, unlike the u. s. europe really was getting taken over by the nazis,

but it was the russians. and the soviets, who staved off the nazis, it was the soviets, who planted their flag on the right stuff. while most americans may not actually know this fact of history, europeans should know. i mean, you're a university professor, have the younger europeans forgotten about their own modern history as well. they should also strikes different there for europeans because this will be the ground 0 or this was the center of the 2nd world war. and the, it would likely be the center of another world war if we would fights one against russia. but also we should have a better memory of history given that this was a more on our soil, lots in united states. and there's actually an interesting pulse which had been done in france and since then the world war 2. and they asked the, the of this, the respondents of who contributed the most of the seat,

the fiddler. now after world war 2, you have a almost 60 percent confirming role. obviously this last associates and then you see a decade by bet gave you some dropping. and i think now we're down to 14 percent recognizing us with the soviet union, which is kind of quite astonishing because yes, you can have different interpretation of reality. but there's also an objective reality. you can actually measure was clear, observable and measurable indicators who contributed the most. and it's interesting that over time and yeah, it's simply a vanished reality objective reality. we don't give it a few more decades and they probably think it tom hanks saved here from the fascist but the 1st of the hitler references. so this is not nothing new, of course, at least over the past 30 years. and every new war and the leader of the adversarial country is a new retardation of hitler. so most of which was the hitler,

a sort of the singles that hibler in the office that hitler put in, and some also referred to. she has a lawyer. and this has a but if it's a silly way of referring to all simplifying the complexity of international relations and conflict. mean, if you will explain this how you would explain politics to a child or a fanatic, which is so like, we're having a conflict because the other country has a very bad man rolling it. if we can just get rid of the men, we will go back to normal, see, you're depriving or an issue of holes. it's complexity and dominant down. simplifying it to that extent, it's a, it was dangerous and they also put it into the category of propaganda. i'm but again, this is often where we end up, it's a narratives. and again this court from canada, you want to root juice, everything to narrative good versus evil democracy, russo authoritarianism. and uh, if i say it's dangerous as well. well, because the benefit obviously is good to mobilize the public if they think they are

in conflict with people, the dangerous. if you come into the people that we're on, the struggle of good versus evil, then you will reject a workable piece because now it gets evil piece would require victory. and the guess evil negotiations is a piece not. this also loves the ration more than a century ago by walter ligman during the russian revolution, when he looked at the british propaganda. but you could as easily applied today to the war, a new cream to wear. more weapons is now the cost of peace negotiations and diplomacy is an evil which we should not even discuss. right. coming up next, the fall of 2024 may prove to be one of the most consequential seasons in modern times as americans go to the polls to elect potentially a different president. but also, there will be shake ups in the european parliament elections and

a new face will lead nato. we'll discuss it when we return with professor. when these and sit tight, the m o will be right back. the the the water is part of the blog post that isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present. let's stop without glitches. let's go part of the

the welcome back to the m o. m, manila chan. let's waste no time and hop right back in with our guest, professor glenn, these and thank you so much for sticking back with us. now speaking, i'm nato. joe biden has reportedly endorsed the dutch p. m. mark ruetta

as the next nato secretary general. now young stilton burn term is coming to an end . this fall in october. head of the us presidential election is ruetta has the backing of the u. s. is this basically a done deal? and, and what does that mean for the expansion of the ukraine war? well, i think once by now, which is, was reported political as the given the support for those to i would consider that to be uh, yeah, this is the only thing we need to know. uh, i don't think they are being switched to go against a biden's selection. of course, there will be of this argument that the, everyone that should be consensus. everyone has to agree to. but as we saw with the even, you know, nato expansion to sweden, the congress like turkey or i'm hungry, who don't fall in line, the immense pressure come on. so i don't see anything genuine seriously,

will oppose this. but it will, it wouldn't surprise me. it would be in surprise, me actually, who wrote on twitter more than a month ago is for predicting that's exactly the would become the next, like next, middle, 60 or general. now i don't have a crystal ball. i was merely reading deduction, media, and introduction media. they, they covered the future for uh, for the day, you know, have to, you have agreed to step down as a prime minister middle months, given some very scandals. and then the doctor media reports how he was trying to get a new job for himself that he was targeting this new to a tough job in order to get it. uh he made sure to is what's the best from you know, said a sweet bald criticism under the carpet. so effectively whitewash is relative on the side is also taken on a fiercely anti russian auster. and of course, joining in on the bombing of u. m. a, so this was kind of winning the approval and showing his loyalty to washington and

then washington will select him to lead the other europeans. so this also really, i think was quite predictable. that being said, i think it's 2 thirds of the europeans as well. support his candidacy, so i think it's now a done deal. i've heard some chatter of compulsory military service for you states being discussed. that would defacto mean more soldiers for nato. meanwhile, french president emanuel, my crown, has thrown around the idea of this sort of independent. you only military force or this alliance. what compulsory military service be supported by most european civilians or, you know, this idea of an e u, only military alliance. well, in terms of the compulsory military service, it is becoming concerned because as the europe is now looking to like the prospect

of war who is looking now more and more likely, i mean, initially was the training. so i suppose to 5, but the now that we're, we're running on the train is that it becomes a possibility that we might, that this where am i expanded? so the boy is johnson. here he made a plea to the, to the british, where he effected them to come to argue that they have become a while to fact and lacy to it just interested in the army. so there is a push now to how to re mobilize syrup and to this. and i think it could be possible for some to police of warm up the public to the idea of a compulsory military service. as most of most of the congress i'm good. um got rid of it. this. i paid my money to go on to develop an independent u military force. it's been, uh, it's been the for a while. and the reason why he, they propose that this just many reasons one would be, it's a, it's

a reason for further integration. and this is a problem because you can't really deliver and much economic benefits anymore. so what's going to drive forward further? integration? it's hard to make an economic argument for it now. so shifting to the military, there would make more sense. i think also there's an a desire by him for many europeans to be able to search some kind of independence. and keep in mind that you for years talked about strategic autonomy, european independence. but as we see now that the europeans have become cut themselves off from russia increasingly to china, becoming very dependent on united states. uh, which is causing a lot of concern. so uh, and the key instruments for the united states is coming for security dependence into economic loyalty. so we have military conflicts with other countries. we will more likely be able to, well, the, reduce our a diverse vacation and become more reliable united states. so they have some purpose to be able to you army, but the i,

it's also have the likely is unlikely to succeed, i think. and it would also contribute to the current trend of making the less of the civilian force and more towards the so called geo political or militarized structure. now lastly, on the title of your new book, the ukraine war and the your region world order. explain that title to us and perhaps your outlook for the conflict in, in the months to come. well, um i argue that the, the, the ukraine warner percent something much larger than man, they're approx or in your, uh, because uh, and you hear this rhetoric coming from both sides. both the well, once on the western congress and russia, talked about this as if it would be a shaping that i will order. and i think the do this cause is correct. we're currently part of the cale swearing and most conflicts uh today. or to

a large extent, the products of our shifting world order. after the cold war, we had a world order based on the polarity. that means one central tower, which was due, not a states, and this is how the world was going to be organized through us global primacy. laguna florida is no longer reality is reality in terms of the power distribution. you see now multiple r t. how? so what are the immersed and it's manifesting itself, but we're in the middle between 2 orders. we haven't, we have less beautiful r t, but multiple parity hasn't really cemented itself. and for this reason, the us would like to pull the world boxed unit polarity while they're in a rush out china, in the most of the world. what 6? yeah. what most of the was outside middle that is, would like to see the world pushed towards multiplier to. and i think this is a good way of standing the crate in worse worldwide. both sides are prepared now to risk even nuclear war. as if the, if native would win,

this war and russia would be broken. and also that's what we can significantly china, and this will be the, what will the strength and the, the unit fall or order. on the other hand, if the russia would succeed, then we would likely see multiple are to emerge. and this is also the, the message i get from people around the world. the various leaders around the world are saying, you know, we don't necessarily support process for against the ukraine. but the, if we, if for nato defeats rush out of the world will really be unbearable. eh, at least the west would be unbearable if they would then try to act as a unit for collective hedge them on again. so, so this is kind of the world order we're currently in. and of course, this also explains a lot of the conflicts with iran and china, etc. now, um, i argued that the new world were coming towards this, not just multiple everybody. so you ration multiple are to so different than what we had in the past. as to this great powers from china, india,

russia are seeking to integrate the ration continents in order to lay the foundations for the full set amount of quarter in terms of a so the conflicts say in the months to come, i think this is the yeah, quite the important time for all of humanity in the most to come because the way i see it on the battlefield, nato and ukraine is losing dis, just objective reality. it's a war of attrition. we've lost your friends lost his manpower this. so no more weaponry. the munition, even natal admitted the we emptied our storage and the premium appears to be a friend. the army appears to be moving towards collapse, which is also fueling political conflict. so this is why we're in a dangerous point in time. now ukraine lights, if it collapses, what is, what are we going to do? or we're going to send in a snare to gonna join the call select. and we're going to fight russia,

which would very likely end up in a nuclear exchange. or we're going to try to find some kind of a peaceful settlement or just watch your grand collapse. and there's so much there's so much dependent on this, again, the future of the world order. so you should expect countries to great powers to be willing to take huge risks, even though it's difficult to predict the consequences of the. again, this is why it's a extremely dangerous war. and the absence of any diplomacy and negotiations is so dangerous. glen this and professor of political science and history at the university of oslo. thank you so much as always go check out his new book called the ukraine war and or your ration world order. thank you. oh, thanks again for me. you appreciate it. all right, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that digs deep into foreign policy and current affairs on your host middle

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