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do stay with archie international bye for now. the, [000:00:00;00] the action or since you're welcome back to going underground broadcast single around the world from the u. a. it's april fools day and i'll give you the on the a full with his end a conference scheduled for today with us on basset to view and then to, to him is green field and don't wonder how she felt un security council resolution to 7 to a demanding a cause, a sci fi was nor to binding all countries voted for it,

except the usa that is funded. and i'm the genocide critical to the propaganda narrative to enable us u. k. u nation weapons transfer to israel had been raped claims and been headed. babies, i mean it's the october 7th resistance attacks by him. us joining me now again on going underground is this on of how it goes to volume is progressing. open finkelstein known all around the world, the scholarly work on the effects of zionism. his books include image in reality, all of the israel palestine conflict, the whole of cost industry and gaza. an inquest into each month of them. he joins me now from you. thank you so much. progressive single stuff going back on the show . it's been too too long, arguably, i mean as, as goals or phases that from in your latest piece is about october. the 7th. during analysis of october, the 7th by one of antonio gutierrez's officials, how important it has been the propaganda about october 7th. the,

the use of sexual violence and beheaded babies to allow the populations of the countries of germany, prominence, britain, the united states in arming the genocide the else x of the what happened in october 7th, which remained murky and there are aspects which are fairly clear until there is an official investigation which is the normal procedure, an international investigation which the one wants to carry out, but which is what refuses to allow it to carry out. you won't have with any kind of the sar aetate of this. the details on what happened. oh, some things to me are crystal clear or beyond dispute about 400 combatants were killed about 800 or more civilians were killed. i don't see there's any point in arguing that is uh from us and it's all organizations are committed, most atrocities, atrocities,

and the update. i think it's silly to argue exactly how much of the, how many of those 800 and some odd of civilians killed. how many were killed by the milton suddenly were killed by and cross, sire, and so forth. we don't know the exact numbers that this guy that the, you know, they've got to be significant that were killed by how much. so i don't want to argue that i think it's stupid. i don't even think it's particularly important into debate i had. oh, you mentioned earlier before we came on there, the debate i had with them the mars mars? i said, i can't tell you the numbers because i'm a stick or for figures, that's what i do in life. i'm a forensic scholar. i look for numbers or look for evidence and i'm going to give me a credible figure. i. i'm not going to give a number in the debate. my partner moreno, barney, you said a clear majority were killed by home. us, then the mattress, want to attempt to save overwhelming majority. well,

i don't know how you can discriminate between those 2 of uh, locations. clear majority versus overwhelming majority. if we don't know the numbers by the name of the fan, this progressive is the, i'm not, you know, given the scale of dealing multiples. since october 7 it's, it's the use of what we don't know is it wherever october 7th, to enable the genocide that i'm more interested in you called at the rates than to see the familiar path. you are, i'm going to get to the half moment. i certainly will establish what we know what we don't know. so oh, i said that unless you give me forensic evidence, digital evidence are trying to give your figure. i wouldn't give a figure for anything without forensic or digital evidence because i'm a forensic scholar one to see the concrete evidence. and i never thought it was important you know, in about see how the courses. so the official figure put up like, oh, institution,

6000000 jews were killed. now, ro hilbert. the best scholar in the topic, he said 5100000 doesn't make a difference. do we really say, oh, who's only 5 point one? millions. of course not. it's completely irrelevant from the point of view of the yellow judgment. from the point of view of a historical or factual judge, your numbers come from the judgement. i said massive atrocities are good and that's as far as i could go without forensic evidence, not to have things that were how to immediately after october, 7th, for the claims of the headings and rates. those were the 2 talking points if you will, about october 7th, beyond beyond the, the mass occurred. so the be heading, so it seems israel has dropped because if you look at the oral proceedings for the i c j on the genocide case,

when they listed these readings and oral proceedings when they listed the atrocities occurred on october 7th, they did not include the headaches, i should just say your old squire in 5 years upon their island judgments of yale, the apparently uh pick buys ren benjamin netanyahu to defend israel at the well cool saddle. in this program, people who i seem to be on rumble, that not only was it skepticism, was as bad as denying the whole cause, but that he saw photographs of uh, headed headed babies, i think. yeah, well that may be what he looks at after hours at home and may have been from october 7th, but that's inside of and then with the questions of the rates. no, i don't know the, i was skeptical at the beginning about the rate the systematic rates claim. i won't go with my reason. they have more to do in my reason for me has more to do with if

you will forgive me, have more to do with my understanding of the not just of muslim culture in general . they have a lot of your lives and friends. a lot of my students, i know them quite well and for reasons which i don't want to go into now because it 1st know i found a chart. i was skeptical of the charge except this movie, an isolated incidents here in isolated center. and then the whole controversy, i assume you, as you know, on follow the boxes, right discharge. and the only people who are very knowledgeable in the topic they were going back and forth play with the new york times story was fraudulent on the case was not just send you your cards. now it was the guardian. as my friend jimmy started winder pointed out to me yesterday, it wasn't the only the new york times which what with that systematic rates or reuse, also the british guardians. and right now the british car has to have low. they

don't want to be reminded of what they did when the time's faults did that story. and then came to a premiere lot packed in paper. and i read it. i'm always there. as i said, i'm a forensic scholar. i'm curious about governance. and it was a very strange thing. first of all, i, i called to say because it's all clear what it was. she says, i'm not an investigator. this is not an investigative body, but there she says, i'm analyzing evidence and verifying the evidence. i'm reaching not just, you know, um, uh, if you know, human rights supports human rights reports are supposed to be preliminary tool, full fledged investigation. and so the why would you always use is reasonable grounds to believe that's the maximum? typically a human rights report we do,

we have reasonable grounds to believe this that and that, but they never make state anything more because they haven't carried out a full fledged legal investigation for miller. has she not only claims, reasonable rounds to believe she also clay clear and convincing evidence that so much fire and spender, and so now i'm shaking my head. you said you're not even, you're not even an investigative body like human rights watch amnesty international or commissions mandated by the un human rights council. you say you're not even that, but you're not claiming that you have a higher standard of evidence. you claim you are clear and convincing evidence i mean to she has blurry is actually your cameras going in and out of focus. but in all the decades you being a forensically analyzing statements out of

a you and officials. have you ever seen anything like it in terms of where the top line at a press conference could just go out tool and use agency as, as there was raped? actually there was one example. it was with the mob be more and more right. asked even by the lower incident, there was a big to do between turkey and israel because the vessels were the, remember about best for your listeners. that was the humanitarian con, voice. that was going to die. so in may 2010 to break simple. okay. yeah, the break the block a with the humanitarian goods and there are 3 o clock the vessel and then killed 9 and later tense person were killed died from the attack and the secretary general donkey moved. it was trying to figure out the way to record to read about conciliation between turkey

as is real and the a port to this absolutely disgraceful commission called the palmer commission, had on it the columbia and war criminal. what are you was on it. and they produced a completely ridiculous report around the lives in great detail. and one of my books to point being when the secretary general up points a condition, a red light should go off your head. this is not at all, is this the guy should, this is about politics as good here as a point to this commission, it's not even a commission. i don't know what it is as a saw to united states is real to show these being ballots because you will notice good terrorist suspect is a pretty strong statement after october 7th. i was very surprised, i thought ok, this guy is going to be gone by christmas. it's the dry. when you mean gone,

you don't mean like damage. sho. oh no, not that way. but he was being pretty tall and i didn't think how i didn't see how he would less. but now i see how we less you use the un surgery general. you suspect is this subject of equate bro quote, to allow him to continue talking about the genocide and caring anything about this i, i would say that it was a political move by the secretary general in order to show he was valid. but it was a very strange political move and you know, why, here's the power ducks. paradox is the, the familial hacked in report ended up being the most compelling evidence that there was widespread rate and

sexual violence on october 7th. now you might be wondering how can that be all the media were saying, here's the post, we have the prove, we have the smoking going, the middle of the past and report the privilege pathway. the board show this enough carefully. number one, they were supplied overwhelmingly with the evidence from the as well the government . so you conclude not just in for you pre clue is one they it's best case to that, correct? what was their, israel's best case? they look at not less than $5000.00 photographs and they looked at 50 full hours. oh, good to tow footage. okay. 54 hours is not a little. that would be if you max, they could have located for 8 hours

a day. that's our time. see how beyond that, that's 6 full days that we're looking at is digital footage. they told us or has told us before they came from where terms dash terms cctv traffic monitors. which is to say the footage taken from every conceivable angle. ok, i'm on, i'm going to provide, if it goes time, we'll just go to a break. now, more from one of the world's greatest really scroll is up to this break the

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor goldman finkelstein or through the whole across the industry and got as an inquest into it's most of them. progressive. think of time before i interrupted you were talking about this uh well, effectively rape fantasy of the un official in the butch empty. proving that the, the whole of the propaganda media and go to the about what happened on the they may examine slits from every conceivable and go by every cigarette conceivable technological device. and you'll have to remember that area was a but to gossip, which means it must have been among the most probably surveil areas and all of this rule. and here's the, here's the upshot, the character day. so i can afford the claim for one single image or frame of sexual violence,

no one. and this is israel's best case number to has is yet sunk in because it was a complete shock to me when i was ready to do it. because this is supposed to be the smoking gun, clothing such a violence number to they said they couldn't find a single scrap of what they call medical legal evidence, meaning forensic evidence on sexual violence, not a single strep. and then number 3, they said none of the victims would step for. now the argument is because most of them were killed the victims, that's the how the argument goes. that's not what happened. the board said, go look at it. it didn't say because there was an absence of direct

victims. they gave the claim they gave way kinds of claim. number one, they said the people in that area have now been to why can be dispersed throughout israel. number 2, they claim that they, these people didn't trust you when commission a number of somebody, they said they were too traumatized. well that's just not credible. how important, how important is it for uh, this oriental ism, this arguable racism against palestinians to justify genocide and they're continuing billions of dollars of weapons being sent to murder more palestinian. uh well, what does it 13000 a children according to the home us link ministry, 30000, mostly women and children killed. what, why, why have you written this piece about the rate fantasies of approval about them and

why every other day you'll hear on mainstream the public and the media in nature of countries. sexual violence has the excuse. so i haven't looked at it myself, but other people have cited is us of is repaired, that was done by frank long since a very influential analyzer of public opinion in the us be in the us. and what the study showed was, were pertaining to the events of october 7. when the he, when there was asked to list which kinds of evidence of most influenced you in your support of israel. they said number one was right. so it was from the point of view of public relations and

galvanizing public support. it was known by them the proper gators of this claim that it was we can use the words, it was the most potent weapon in their propaganda arsenal. to propagate this claim. so that's to me, it's 5 star a reason why every time is real faces with other p r crisis the new york times as a new one headline about the accusations of race and sexual violence on october 7th. well, let's move on then to this. suppose it, the more maybe is propaganda mainstream media. i've got a paper here. netanyahu faces crisis and us relations of to picking public fights with bible. you went to school. i understand with chuck schumer,

the highest ranking. that was, he was, he was 3 years ahead of me in my high school. oh, what did you make of either he's previously said in 2010 that the people of guys who most collectively be strangled. so you wouldn't take as much difference between chuck schumer and that you know, when it comes to supporting genocide. and yet, if you were to read the new york times or any of these cnn and bbc and sky news, you think there's this big split between blinking is being here in the middle east . is this manufactured given to the arms continue to be sent to to netanyahu or? or are they preparing something different had once they've killed all the palace post indians have gaza? well, let's be clear, said said majority leader, chuck schumer likes to be senate majority leader

election is coming up as president by the once the election and the whole democratic party wants the window election and they have 2 problems. i should say. they had the court between 2 conflicting forces. on the one hand, there is a jewish billy in their class and by the one storm know that you need their money. you know, in our country where you calculate the success of the campaign is how much money and cost campaign contributions comes in each week. they keep very close tracking that number. he needs the money in general. i won't say every case in general. there's been good social scientific research on it. there's a direct correlation between which side gets the most money and campaign contributions and who wins the election. that's the way our system works. so he

needs that money and that was the george millionaire class has since october 7th. it's become utterly and totally roofless in its support of israel. there is no power low in the american history. i'm not just talking about modern american history of outside individuals have to link probably not one but 2 precedence of id, the universities a copy of the top of the core being gay. and then they toppled mcgill in university of pennsylvania. they are was less now. gary and mcgill, we're talking because they were insufficiently repressive and suppressive of this on their campuses. and by doing those

one false means and they'll just give their money to try to build your switch. so he has to keep sending the world. so what if they then ask him to go like a israel? i've tried to get the united states and its allies to go to war in iraq of the 911 . i mean, does that mean they could persuade them for an attack on their run? because it to the with that i know i have to defend the i've studied that quite closely. that was a decision made by rumsfeld, cheney that was not in this valley. this isn't actually, this really is one of the last background to go after a random not correct. so i don't think they play today. could they do at this time? well, however, there is a critical point here. what you're saying, senator sure. robert, none of those were the only true democratic party main senators because

they are ready to deal out of loyalty to israel. and now it's schumer, that's a schumer who oppose the revenue and the same schumer who as you correctly quoted in 2006, 10, said we should economically strain go the. so that's with he said, it's the same schumer who gave that speech. and that's why i've said there are 2 forces, the course between the jewish really there are class and the democratic party base . and there's a lot of turbulence not to mention outrage in the democratic party days at the support of the buys it ministration for the fact of support of dividing ministration for israel enabling who touches supports, enabling israel and so sure it was

a very interesting speech was very interesting, 1st of all, named for ops, because the piece one hom us to the power to need a 33. yes. and yahoo and for the for right israel, the balance. he balanced the responsibility. very unusual, especially he's the guy who pose the around you use like way out in right field dollars. and then the most interesting part of the speech was he didn't say support the one state was at the same medic, as he actually said, did you read the speech? he said, i understand the idealism of the young people what one state and don't see what's wrong with one state. he then tried proceeds to try

to rationally refute the demand for one state, but he did not dismiss it out of hand. okay. i'm sorry. progressive of we're just running out of time, but as you say, that's a 1st time i think one state is back on the agenda in the last 2 minutes. blink and of course has been in this region talking about the some sort appear. uh, it was previously mooted by and his rarely transport secretary could the u. s. military be involved in this region off the coast of gauze or with a peer to peer. so that's how this whole thing is such a disgraceful public. right? you know, every precedent, right, you know, running for office of course are going to get gay g p r. but to encourage you to your when children are starving to death in the most literal sense, every body with an ounce ounce of knowledge and its value. there is no need for

a tier good hundreds of trucks outside garza which are waiting to enter. the problem is not material has to be the problem is not even load, just fix the problem is exactly as the e u foreign policy chief said, well, there's really is using starvation as what been let's not treat today. that's the new york times that this is a no cool question of how to get the people, excuse me, the food and medicine to the people in gaza. this is not the cold question. this is a political question. there is

a see. impose on garza coast star population to the west, palm us cylinders. that's the problem. professor norman pickles 9. thank you. and that's it for the show of continued condolences it as bereaved by u. k. u. s. u. i'm bombing in palestine, lebanon. yeah, i'm in syria and iraq. we'll be back with the brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch my role as social media events and all tense of your country and have to have channel going underground tv on normal dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground. ccf the

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