hellish. the vote is long gone. long gone, bouchard people are starving to death. there is a fine man already in effect across gaza. and here we have more foreign nationals being killed for a national is working for an engineer who simply trying to deliver food into gaza. we also have this un resolution coating for an immediate cease fire. israel is not paying attention to that resolution for a ceasefire. israel is clearly not paying attention to the aid workers who are doing to monetary and work in gaza. my question to you blueshot is at what point is israel going to start listening to the global community? we have been calling for a cease fire from week one. and a permanent one because it's the only way for us to be able to operate is the only way for us to be able to send our teams to the fields and to the, to the ground. and to reach the most effective community communities,

the most vulnerable people in gaza. we cannot deliver aid effectively under relentless bonds. and the way for that to stop is also to keep the call of those organizations, human rights organizations, energy, national organizations to stop arming is real and to stop the transfer of arms and weapons to israel. and many countries have, he did call and we welcome that. but that pressure needs to continue. where did you come to? condemnation are no longer enough. maybe the real action to end this because not only not just the posting and these really, everybody needs an end to this. and that's all for me. thanks very much feel company move out to allow me. we'll be here with you in advance. 13 minutes the fresh look at today's nice the

the, the new united states, the united nations, takes a lot of heat. most americans don't like or respect the work that it does. the far right wing believes that it's the tip of the spear of the so called one world government and articles routinely appear in the american media saying that the u. n . is corrupt and that its employees are lazy and overpaid. i know the truth. i used to work at the united nations, its employees earn their money and many of them spend the bulk of their careers in harm's way. and another truth is that the united states usually gets what it wants at the when, because it's a bullying. the security council, but that's a topic for another show. in the meantime, in january of this year, these really government arrested, detained, and apparently tortured eat employees of the united nations relief and work agency on run over their alleged ties to hum us. and that was just the beginning of

a very slippery slope. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers. the much of the world is focused on the war in gaza and on the atrocities that are taking place there. the united nations. busy in mid march that more children had been killed and guys in the 1st 4 months of the conflict, then had been killed in all other conflicts around the world. in the last 4 years combined, the south african government has taken action by suing israel in the international court of justice and the united nations general assembly has been nearly unanimous . with the obvious exceptions of the united states and israel, that the fighting must stop immediately and that human rights must be respected. those demands, however, have fallen on deaf ears. and while these really military continues to pound cities

and villages all over guys, it is also arresting. and in some cases, killing united nations employees inc, unwrapped employees were arrested in january and another $22.00 were arrested in february and charged with quotes. participating in the october 7th massacre facilitating the taking of hostages, loading and stealing from his rarely communities and more on quote. as it turned out, several independent investigations found that none of that was true and the union has demanded the release of its employees. those releases have not yet taken place . but finally, the international media are not just taking the is really government's words at face value. even before hostilities began the associated press reported, quote, a confidential is railing, darcy, a detailing alleged links between palestinian human rights groups and an internationally designated terrorist organization contains little concrete evidence and failed to convince european countries to stop funding the groups unquote us

britain. this channel for news said this is real, has provided no evidence in its charges against unwrapped personnel and noted norwegian physician mads gilbert. ask for a tour cli, why is real not being investigated for the killing of more than 100 on right employees in gaza. we're going to discuss this with christopher goodness. he's a former spokesman for unreal. chris, thank you so much for being with us. it's a real pleasure to join joan. thank you very, very much indeed. have we on your share? for those of our viewers who don't really know what henri does, can you give us an overview on raw, has been around since 1949 is most of its work in gaza, or is it also active in the west bank or in palestinian refugee camps in jordan or elsewhere? well, well the other has been in the news because of its working garza recently since the 7th of october. it actually works in gauze of the west bank, but also jordan,

syria and lebanon. wanted, as you rightly say, to me, it came into existence, was voted into existence by the general assembly. in december 1949 became operational on the ground, inmate 1950 now. unless creation was a response to the 1948 war and but at least with so 750000 palestinians, driven from their homes or reflect the homes, into those in the middle left and on those into the northeast went into syria. those of the east winds into jordan, and those elsewhere went into casa and the west bank. now as its thing, suggest that the united nations relief and works agencies the original mandate and it was about to different relief because that was suddenly nearly a 1000000 refugees who needed food of bullshit medicine. and they needed a roof over their heads. and that's what i'm right and it's d months and years actually provided. and also provided looks

a temporary jobs because these refugees needed to work. they needed to sustain themselves and their families in some way. but then it became clear that the flexing states of as well, would not abide by its obligations under resolution $19.00 full, and allow the refugees, the rights of a ton, which is a bigotry on the international. no. and it's policy universal, universal just a declaration. nonetheless, that's what is well decided to say suddenly on roof, which was doing the as time pre release began to move into something that will providence. so what's the refugee's need? they do it's cation the show, going to be each of the rest of these needed education. so i'm a started to provide education that needed health, so under his doctor to provide primary health care. but the more vulnerable in these societies needs relief and look. so food assistance, assistance for those who are particularly ill, all sorts of different social networks, social security programs began to grow up in the early days of culture today. and

those 3 broad areas, education, health, relief and social services. those of the main cool programs of unrest, but because some, at least it's so unstable because what happens happening in gaza, but the other was in the middle east, west palestinians have found themselves cool. so henri suddenly has to carry on with its main services education, hopefully from social services taking over um, but then to the town to dealing with the motions is the crop up and gaza is a typical example of that. and that's basically what, how does it does emergency what quit school and it does. it's cool services as a matter of course, and it's done that. as i said, jordan siri left on the west bank and gaza since 1950 or and what is it that i'm right has been doing in guys all these years? is it food, water, medication delivery, is it nation building? and what does and redo that? has these relays so angry?

well, that's a very good question. it's a very complicated question. it's, well that's the best book to this lady wrote to me. however, i will attempt to answer it. there's several issues here. somebody, somebody's mistaking me believe that henri uh is pushing the rides over to the henri uh is encouraging the refugees to go back to the homes and as well. because that is not true. the refugees have 3 choices, which with which east of all the have either lived for inspiration. so it's gretchen way law. so the country we set them up so kind of drove us. we'll give them a visa. they can, you know, integrate. so it kind of drove us to wherever an older, right. otherwise, baton is built on the necessarily pushes because in any case it's up to the refugees. one of the whole points of these refugee choices, isabel freely megs. and so it's really not requested. i'm telling anyone what to do, and under indeed doesn't tell anyone works do itself throughout the jeep, but it's regulates mistakenly. some in the fall right? administration is where i believe. if you get rid of us,

then magically you get rid of the refugees, which of course is not true if you got rid of on russ, these people would remain human beings with in a liberal rights, including the rights to the cities house it's, it's, it's really not the case that, you know, get rid of under a refugee's. the other thing, i mean, you mentioned on the services education, health, a nation building a road certainly today contributes to peace and prosperity and a sense of calm. and of course, that's is that environment, these are things which all conducive to a political sacramento peace process there. i say it's a 2 state solution or whatever anyone envisages p spikes eventually looked like do i think there was somebody as well who are implacably opposed to any kind of state for the palace? it is nothing unless they sometimes see a slight dislike in that regard. and the other thing is to be seen at the international court of justice, which is the highest cold on the economy, which is set up to adjudicate disputes between states. either cold on the 26th

of january found that there was a plausible case of genocide that these railways, all waging a genocide a war against the power of cities. the cause of his stood up, objected to that. and i think that's another reason why many is varieties of service x and so angry about it's a great shape because because under is that desperately trying to mitigate the impact of his terrible conflict to bring food and medicine and was the to the, you know, 1700000 people who been displaced by the fighting ga. so these really arrest of so many on run employees was of course international news. these really is accuse them of participating in a major terrorist attack. the charges were very serious, but they didn't stand up to scrutiny. and after more than 50 countries responded to the allegations by initially cutting funding for unreal. most of those countries

have started up funding again. tell us about these really accusations and even more importantly, tell us the truth about these employees. who are they in what work are they doing? well for legal reasons, i don't want to say the names, because this is a little subject to see. i think the when we this terrible episode is over, i think those staff members who falsely accused might well take legal action. so i want to get you or myself into any trouble. but essentially the is riley is called a meeting with the commission general bundle which a general is such as a problem. okay. tons of was what chief executive, if you like, the director and they have a list of 12 staff members who they ledge they claimed had taken part in the attack on the 7th of of 2. but they didn't produce any evidence. and as you say, i'm 16 data is then pilots and the funds done that the suspended funding to under

the commission general vendor had separated a dismiss. these workers because he wanted to take robust action in order to protect the interests of agency. but the americans, canadians, the swedes, european union, others. as i say, panic, the brit souls, that product can be funded. but to this day, nobody's produced any evidence against these individuals. deed, the utilized nations has instructed to old mandated to investigations, wallace, un investigation independence developer a but a you investigation. that is also an investigation by former french foreign ministry colona. and she is looking at these allegations, also the office of into the low, beside which is the un bulky that's investigating these allocations has completed

in swimming pools. and it has found no evidence for the allegations as well as may . i know the strength of that the european union has received that funding to the chief of aged 2000000 euros and the suite civil service and funding. the canadians have the danes have adults, so it was really a piece of fake news with spectacular impact because it led to diagnose the funding on the road to the sheet of $450000000.00. and it led to what is one of the greatest ex, essential crises, if you like in the history of the what do you think is really goal here? was, was it to push the un completely out of guys or was it to dry up whatever little funding the palestinians had? was it perhaps a public relations move? if these really is new, the allegations were on true, then why go ahead with making them in the 1st place?

was it just for the short term victory? it doesn't seem sticking very complicated question that i'm not sure because this house privilege the access to his rating intelligence or political information with sources. but i, i would say that festivals in new york times splash these allegations across the front pages without actually checking. so these ladies had in the new york times, a willing accomplice, if you liked to this fake news. i think i added to the sense of the galaxy and guilt which was wrong as it turns out. so what this weighs? 20 cheap. i think in the short term they were trying to smear on rather which likes discredit tundra, i think, which hasn't was because the allegations of now i'm proven say try, i think in this the median sunday, which finds the fun done. right. and i think that to start with a managed to do that. but i think as you see the news management,

the fate leaves unraveled davis aust austin to come back old bit rather embarrassed . and with that go, my face is we saving lives and i like the positivist is to dispatch to and we haven't got a yet. but i think that we've heard these today that these way these have blogs the commission general of on the sleep bescedy from getting into gaza. and i think that's the kind of thing the increasingly we get to see with these weight is attempting to prevent our working by limiting visas and permissions. and all these things, which of course is a violation of the new mechanism for actually of goods into gaza. and it's also violation of the provisional measures ordered by the i c, j, the international court of justice on the 26th of january. when they said that no member state should take any action to limit humanitarian access in chicago. so that we have is, i think there was 3 main issues these way. it is

a pushing one as to smith and russ and to the slips. the name the 2nd is to the fund unwrap. i think that's on roughly and very last mediates to dismantle and run . and clearly that isn't international consensus as the general assembly or 195 nations of the us who give them the in span based on any of these general assembly can make any changes to august magic model single that the state like you. so congress decides and will be of what is what it is i think are trying to do is use bureaucratic means to limit the work of under, but that certainly isn't the same as dispatching on the we're speaking with christopher goodness, the former spokesman for the united nations relief and works agency or unreal. stay right here, we have a lot more. then when we come back we're going to talk with christopher about next steps and the situation in gaza and the rest of the dozens of and run plays by israeli authorities. stay to the. 2 2

the, the. 2 welcome back to the whistle blowers. i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with former united nations relief and works agency spokesman. christopher goodness, about b is really a rest of dozens of on run employees. thanks again for being with us, chris. pleasure. i happen to have a close friend who is one of the most important constitutional scholars in america . he also happens to be an internationally recognized expert on genocide. genocide has a very specific legal definition. and he says that what is happening in guys a meets that definition is i'm not in any way empowered to try to alleviate the suffering of those affected in this genocide. do they have any international

authority in war zones to have a mandate to leave the impact of his genocidal campaign and since the 7th of august, that's pretty much what it has been doing in guns. so you have to remember the unrest has well over nearly 200 around 15200 facilities. literally, schools and food distribution centers in warehouses all across the go, straight on when the serious bombardments, which will, can, you know, 2000 pounds is waiting buttons being dropped in residential neighborhoods. when all that stuff, people fled to under facilities to under a comb pounds because there was a blue un flag subsidy above and they thought that would give them some kind of protection. so this let the homes where they felt very comfortable and they came to and of course when they arrived on the time it's best to distribute food and we'll set to give mattresses to provide shelter for people. but of course these schools that you know, they're meant to be used by the 1000 maximum kids in the day time. so there was no

toilet facilities fix on hopefully one facility. and that was maybe 30000 people um, so upholding the school it living conditions. so i'm right, yes, absolutely. does have a mandates to leave the impacts of the war and indeed against all because you know, 168 on the stuff i'm actually been killed and in the face both. what do you and it's described as an old school that it's unprecedented. it's bob baretski. in that context, henri is doing its best to provide services, met some food, who will say to those who are fleeing and save your message and comforts. let's get into some of the specifics here. the harsh treatment of palestinian detainees in israel is well documented. torture is common place. i was speaking with an is rarely human rights attorney just last week and told me that one of his clients who

simon is really prison, said that he envies his compatriots and guys because they're dead. he said that living in his really prison is worse than death. what are your former colleagues going through in these prisons? well, interestingly, a couple of weeks ago, henri, the unprecedented step of publishing a report which was based on hundreds of tests, some of these by people coming back into gaza. so people being rounded up by these very on the and taking away and then when the interrogations a little to pay to those tensions over. some of them, at least with delivered back to one of the crossings into the gaza. and it was working, you know, on, on this crossing had stuff. this starts to, to people. he was, you do when, you know, you're working with a check point and people are coming back. and, well, image was a pack of illegal and in human and degrading treatments. in some

cases torch. in some cases, sexual crimes, sleep deprivation being false to 6 hours it exhausted in positions in one case or more than one case and took a have a make a whole metro rolled in searches into the read some of the events and such a terrible internal injuries and because of that, women describe being sexually harassed, that was sleep deprivation. old people with alzheimer's, children with special needs, all sorts of mental issues, was subjected to the most appalling, upholding treatment of this. you know, this was, this is in a report the under compiled which found its way into the media, but i sincerely hope and i believe that it will go to the i c, j,

the international criminal court. the licensee is all saves of investigating the ill treatment of palestinian detained e. so yes, i mean a poorly old audited frankly. was cro break? well, good soul, reggie knew there was 700 and the 7500 posted in presence. i'm probably more in is way the prisons and the information the under a golf from people but stays with tut, simply cooperates in the city of paulding and degrading treatment. this the gang fights since a star screw up the page. the 1967 we've seen is really government accusations against b on row and p. busy these have they actually been charged with any crimes? are they able to see attorneys is the un involved in trying to get them out? and what can you tell us about under employees who have been killed by these, or at least well as far as the 12 that gets to the allegations with levels of concerned. 3 of them are either missing all day. and i didn't know,

and i did the other one is the. busy about all of the others. so to the best of my knowledge, they've not been shot, but what would you charge them? because it's what was produced, no evidence. yeah. if your employer decided that they want to charge you something that have to reduce the evidence and that's been done. so as far as i'm aware of these, people don't even see the total is low, is because that's what we're getting on. so how would that be possible? so, um, yeah, i mean interestingly the adult in charge of that because the evidence to charge them with all the question you mentioned about on the staff members. i mean that includes like, everyone else has been killed, you know, 2010 pounds being dropped on the house. i've got a colleague in gaza, his eldest son, who was just about to qualify as a dentist, was killed because he's way just dropped a huge ball on the neighbor's house. and the son was the right place to where this

bill actually fell was, and so he was killed. and it's very sad because as he was dying, he spoke to his balance on his mobile phone. i mean, it's tragic. and his body was on the comfortable because these weight isn't not allowing fuel into the gaza. strippers. you need to, you know, for the trucks in the vehicles to track a whole, the rubble off. so not totally of stuff that most of them are being killed like everybody else has some, 2000 pounds, some being shot by snipers, some dying of you know, disease rules, home by bound nutrition in the way that, that you know, so many of the site and you know, in the same way that anyone else in gloss is dying in the figure. in the latest, i'm a sit rep you on the updates i saw was a 168 on the staff members have been killed by these ladies. what's the long term effective arresting, united nations employees? does this action hurt the is really, is more than it hurts the united nations, or does this hamper unreliability to do its job in places other than gaza?

well, certainly it's done a huge amount of reputational damage to the is waiting on me. remember who would that rock when he was 4 minutes to famously said that these way the army was the most moral army in the world. and he set out the pretty high standards by which the streets would be judged. and um, you know, that means of that probably being just according to the highest standards in those countries were always state health defense ministers to get around the same boat. so they salt lake, so mr. bar, i'm afraid produced a rolled for that because i'm back with. so yes, i think there's a huge reputation was coming here. we have the, the country. so who of group of people for whom the word genocide was created. commit single the i, c, j, a school, the plausible genocide against, against people who don't supplies. so you know, how great to risk

a company's reputation. come what gets you to committing genocide with you. so how does genocide switched against you? and that's pretty damaging. i would say, so it's very side. i think it's well is now i think more of a prostate, but it's as a beam in its history. on the other side, of course, it makes it very difficult for staff members to operate as huge problem overall. as you can imagine, a 160 stuff members killed them as a pulling treatment but made a mistake about that. i mean i'm, it has 13000 staffing, gaza, they all to a person and committed humanitarians. and as the buttons have dropped, colleagues full of colleagues of mine has continued to go to the office of continued to report for gc but, but yes, it's a, it's a big problem. and i would also say that so unreal elsewhere i mentioned the idea that they work, in other words, in jordan, syria and lebanon, as well as the west bank and gaza. um its

a pull in to see your colleagues being boned and but isn't killed in this way. so yeah, it has a knock on effect. i think on the rest of them right across the region. christopher goodness, former united nations relief and works agency spokesman, thank you so much for joining us. it's my pleasure to be with you on the speak. you can see the general norman schwarzkopf, the former commander of the us central command, who led us forces in the liberation of coate. once said, the truth of the matter is that you always know the right thing to do. the hard part is doing it. we're seeing that right now and guys, lots of people is really politicians and is really soldiers, especially know the right thing to do. they know they should respect human rights. they know they shouldn't bom, hospitals and clinics. they know that they should allow shipments of food, water, and medicine, and yet they don't. that's why we need organizations like on row. every person in the world deserves dignity, freedom, food, water, medical care,

and peace. and employees of the united nations have the right to do their jobs in peace and security. so i'd like to thank our guests, chris, for goodness, for enlightening us today. and thanks to our viewers for joining us for another episode of the list of lowers. i'm john kerry onto we'll see you next time. 2 the oh, what else? seemed wrong? just don't you have to shape house to come after kids and engagement equals the trails. when so many find themselves worlds of parts,

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