the, the the thank you so much, 55 liaison for your time for as r t. and let's just get into our conversation. so the general election commission has finally officially announced that, but i boss of young though, and he brand black up with mean that i got is the president and vice president elect. so from your point of view, as one of the founders of bible was political party getting that and also as a nation lawmaker, what are the challenges that the new administration will have to face? oh, thank you very much for having me. a big gun. davis is my 1st time actually being interviewed by asi shar play. sure. yeah. the most difficult challenges, in my opinion, is to continue. i'm going to make goals while maximizing the

advantages to the indonesian people. and aside from that, we must, and you see paid the economic and financial sectors because there will be the most affected by the global on uncertainty and which may remain in an issue. the creates that believe these are that the economy can function. so therefore, we are optimistic and indeed uh the one written then on working with all parties in indonesia to build the country better. yeah, of course we have the foundation that it's been already established by the previous government present. president elect double is to be under,

chose china as the 1st foreign countries that he fits that, that. so during this need uh for said with chinese presidents each in being as well. what are the goals off this visit, and how do you see the, the outcome of this fits? it will be for indonesia and china relations? well, as they did by prob, both will be on the minister of the fans and also the president elect during uh, the visit and he's meeting with president of june being the receive uh on the line, indonesia determination to maintain strong cooperation with china. i think he stated that during the dinner during the meeting and particularly in,

that's still an inside structure sectors. we know that china is one of, uh, indonesia is most significant partners. and so i believe, uh, it's only reasonable that china has become one of the top countries, the reset, and the research is expected to help improve by like the relation between our 2 friendly countries. yeah, i think uh that says the very significant reset by i see them like 5 level. now if we talk about the security of the in the past, the fact that b j considers you as interference to be the main cost off true balance in the region. from your point of view. what's in the shows view on this matter?

well uh, 1st and foremost, as it comes to the with the free and active foreign policy, we naturally see a secure and peaceful in the past civic region as a strategy environment for indonesia to 5 and the grow. as a result, we prefer cooperation with a more inclusive approach that uh well comes every one through dialogue, mutual respect and understanding of international law rather than rightfully and competition. so this is clearly stated in the asi, i'll look for the indo pacific and i've called and said real boys by indonesia, that as soon as to become the perspective of us young member states,

indonesia is the world uh, 16 largest economy now. and the 3rd largest democracy in the world. so our population makes up more than 40 percent of the overall i see on population. that means that indonesia is a new economic power. and its presence has implication for original and global economic suck chose so as a middle power. indonesia has similar power and a liability to join the bricks. and if this happens, it through undoubtedly enhance in the nation economy and also opened up several prospect. however,

the extent to which indonesia will join the brakes still a consideration for us. so both in terms of economic gains and political issues, and it is prudent for us to anticipate what the future may hold. so, but i believe that the, it is style too low from non ally and approach to both the alignment approach. now it's already different color from bipolar and b. paula to mostly folder indonesia is the 4th most populous country in the world with a robust economy. we also know that we are aiming for the golden generation in 2045. and do you see any asia as a leader in the global south as the world experiences the shift towards multi

polarity of the global? well, it's undoubtedly that indonesia is consistently forcing the interest of the global solid in international air and not as we did in the past during the 1st independence era. so internet show was the pioneer of the asia, africa congress in 1955 and resulting in desktops, the bundle or the bundle in spirit rates later become the inspiration to the establishment of the non aligned movement in 1961. and at that time, indonesia left the global south struggle against imperialism, colonialism, and rest there a few patients. so indonesia was also the founding member of us here on

shortly after 1967. and now indonesia is a member of g to m d. the 3rd ledger largest democracy in the world, one of the most promising me the power countries. and what i wanted to emphasize is that indonesia is uh, still committed to play of fire football role in creating global peace. so global peace and security and prosperity. so hans, i'm very determined to express of the museum that indonesia and has a real, always show significant leadership. in the global south, we're going to talk about election, but not indonesian election. we are going to talk about russian presidential

election. i think indonesia, in russia as a very long standing are relations since the so if you have time. so given indonesia, in russia as a long history of this throne relation, i believe this is a very welcoming and kind of june of gesture, right? example or president put in to come today play. i see them like football. and this also demonstrates the 2 countries i intention to develop by lat, through the nation under propose a government. so like weisner also we are way too late, but i sit in within 4 is resolved in the election with land slide 63. i would like to begin with appreciation through the federal assembly of the russian federation and sample or election formation or opportunity to be part of

the intonation of separation of the russian president until election. so it is indeed a relates and this is for 2nd time i written this on the presidential election. the 1st time was $99.00, the 6 during the election and the candidate at a time was voted sales soon and to grandma and uh for this election i think for candidates. so the election of silver program is an important event that allows us to learn from one another and share best practices and explore democratic practices. the 3 different methods of casting votes. yeah. which i used by b. i which i then it's a at my manually by checking the options of develop paper and

electronically by using the device provided. so these 3 ways and the other one is online, which can be done uh from anywhere without having to go to the holding station. so this 3 uh options i demonstrate the, the strong a willingness to hinder fraud. i think. so through the use of technology indicating a more democratic improvement. and furthermore, i believe that the russian people are actually made it to do fling political inclinations as evidenced by transparent voting boxes, which i so yeah, uh, treated uh, the sensors that directly counted uh ballots. and this demonstrate the majority of democracy in russia. so overall,

my findings indicate that the any country can develop its own electro system of customized to its own needs. and democracy can continue to evolve are in accordance with its countries. unique circumstances. that's uh, i think over all my findings. yeah. and you had a pleasure visit as well as always in russia. of course. yeah. so. so not long after the election completed, the west crashed a b b e. election to criticize the election and calling it on democracy. take an unfair. so from your point of view, why do you think such allegations were made towards russian election? well, i cannot the command on their behalf. yeah,

i am sure unsure of the basis of such charges. however, i believe it is important that we are recognized that democracy may grow in response to each country's particular needs and circumstances. and i think so far, uh, i witness the process of democracy in russia. we did turn out of so many people and also with the transparency in the pulling station proof that they have breakfast, a democratic election. we also know not long after the election. there's a recent terror attack in moscow that really shock the world, especially not long after the election and prompting several countries to ramp up

there and type her is precautions. so how has indonesia responded to the news of this tragedy? well, i was in moscow almost a week chair before the effect of good and i was there to participate this, you know, the international observation for the president selection of our president of the election. it was, i'm very logical. it started grow and troubled by the harder for effect on civilians in public spaces. because before the election, even a night before the election, we also in the room in the big room like parts of hall to watch also the performances of, uh, the best things and then things of russian culture. so

of course, on behalf of the house of representatives of 35 bits of indonesia and the indonesian people, i send my profile on the lenses to the russian people following the how to take effect on the progress of city hall. and which claim many lives more than $100.00. yes. and our hotels seem to be also extend to the injured and uh, really uh be uh, families. so following the incident in moscow, the new nation government, through the golden, anything the new server for politics, law, and human rights, as directed, relevant of ministries, particularly security forces to boost domestic vigilance, which i believe is a natural reaction. but most importantly,

i believe in donations were surprise and said than to learn about the fact we all hope that the. 1 the risk responsible for such a genius effect to be arrested quickly and it's been, i've asked it, i think by the or $30.00 fees and uh, it'd be stopped. so because of course, uh this, this, uh, really disturbing and its a tragedy most co is also looking into, evidenced uh for in special services taking part in this attack. so do you think this period is justified? well, i promised that the russian should probably before us is real swiftly and tougher. the preferred traitors of these areas scaling no matter where they come from. and whoever is responsible must be present with it. yeah.

and also is beside behind, this is a fact. so i believe a spill in under an investigation. so now we will back talking about the media and rush our relationship. there are a lot of people who shared the opinion that the relationship that both countries have right now is solely because the relationship that has built during soviet indonesian era to what extent do you agree on this opinion? well indeed i think, uh, we cannot deny the historical throughs that by letter relationship between indonesia and russia of the game during the soviet union era. and it's basically in 1945. yeah. since the beginning of our independence

and at the time, the associate union was one of the congress that, well come indonesia, independence, and it condemn all types of colonialism. and uh, he goes fighting for indonesian independence side support and uh, a, from the soviet union. at the united nation u. n. the soviet union regularly highlighted of the issue of indonesia and the west thing that the u. n. stop that you relate to the aggression n for the international community to recognize indonesia as an independent country . so i think this is a static effect on a historical accept it though, for the foundation of our uh, long lasting relation between the 2 countries. so along with the global political

brands, there have been ups and downs in relation between indonesia and russia. but i believe they will continue to assign them in the near future and also in the future . if we are taking back to these these, what modern day projects between the 2 countries that play an important role in strengthening the cooperation. and in your point of view, how can we escalate that relationship? well, uh, indonesia, a share of over age and has been wired successful in variety or feels by the friends and education corporation spam out. yeah, i hope that's corporation between the 2 feels we'll continue to grow in the future . however, i believe it is also interesting those that the, the prospect of corporation in the field of renewable energy, for example,

and alternative energy. and also particularly don't clear an energy interesting point that even the show have to open up towards russia. yeah. now, um, there's just id release to buy envelope an innovation company that monitor social networks. and the study found that the majority of indonesian users expressed support for the russian special military or pre should also citing and negative attitudes toward nieto and the u. s. so what's your take on this study, and why do you think in a nation's half this kind of opinion? i do believe that in the nation, citizens are knowledgeable about the issue and above the thing. objectively the study by the big data analytics uh half

a lawyer has shown a clear public opinion on the ground. however, i have to clarify that the finding uh does not. of the prison dispense of indonesian authority. innovation consistently raises the glass on democracy, multilateralism and dialogue to and conflict and those fairly fees. and of course, we really continue to critically diag just many various information or issues, including little bit analysis and you brain and gaza and many other places in the context of the russia ukraine conflict introduced as clearly stated that week consistently support the perfection of betty. the integrity and

soften empty. so yeah. diplomacy and dialogue. so it'd be at the forefront to find sustainable solutions. so i believe still the end of war. uh should be, i mean, uh at the end you know, diplomacy and negotiation. so it'd be there. so we are parole to this diplomacy and negotiation at the end to find a more sustainable and permanent solution about this fund. i'm part of the ip you task force in 3rd problem and 3 union task force on russia, ukraine conflict. and we pushed up to both parties from russian following up on this case represented by their federal funds to

and also by duma. and also the ukranian problem. and actually we tried to find a more sustainable peaceful solution through dialogue. i think these i p with as far as the only platform that still exist, it can be a platform for engagement from both parties. so i think in the nation, i want us to have a piece in there. and they told me because it also affects uh for security, the energy security. nope, leo safety, indonesia ask them to stop me. force the need to respect the un charter and international law, including who respect in $3030.00 or integrity and suffering fee. however, we are also committed to multilateral exams and diplomacy do and conflict

and how student this. so hands, i do believe that you need to let throw sanctions to word russia are not only in a factor and what was the other way around. but also unable to find a clear path for sustainable peace. so secondly, i would assert that indonesia also formerly complies with the fundamental principle of independent and active part and policy, which had been a problem. and they uh, since 1948. so it means that indonesia out florida in policy cannot be fully or partially align with any countries, any blocks or,

and the world power. in this respect indonesia as maintain possible safe relations read last year since it is off yet era. so likewise, indonesia also has become a good friend of ukraine since their independence in 1991. so our friendship has deeply repeated our foreign policy history. actually see that last year the nation for administer called for reform of the you and the security consul emphasizing the need for a multilateral system. so what do you make of the debate surrounding this issue? the security, consult efficiency? yes, of course. the issue of the advocacy and efficiency of the you and security because it has become our close of pension. we are all right uh supporters of the u. n. system. and we put this from trust in the powder and we'll fill out the role of

the system. however, we believe that the u. n. a security council of the form is extremely needed to avoid further out fatherless is with the gods through the police. because situation such as in guys uh, i think uh to create peace in palestine. so referrals, serious steps, need to be taken immediately. first. oh congress. my us, you live and have their same interest to create sustainable peace in gaza and palestine as a whole. by working together, taking complete actions and mobilizing resources to lead out of this adversity. and 2nd, western countries must pop their double standard,

a double send the perspectives that percent as you and he pull political attitude towards palestine and completely stopped providing politics. so late the end, the front of make supports israel or forwarding fee. so then we must also these you negotiations to create an independent palestinian state and upset by the spine to become a full member of the united nations. and in this case, indonesia will of course, continue to provide probably because apart models. so for, for police speed in independence and the security of the policy, me and people. so in the nation actually continue to gather support for palestinian peace through various forums. including have the following 3 levels. so in these last 2 i view assembly sessions with example. we have always

mobilize this thing of the global vitamin by bushing and emergency item 2 and is that i also have fact on guys to stop the war. and also the violation of human rights and guys i initiated through this last time in one that in on roller lots of silver. and then uh, recently in jeanette uh, also uh with south african solomon and also had a pallet in the the the

now can you use visa, deployed hip smith to nancy kim's in the book is that probably that's just me very the young showcase is genes. nathaniel, so who's going to the boys at the boys? the probably the one that's noun that'll be for them. i'm not sure if this florida

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