the thank you so much, 55 liaison for your time for us r t. and let's just get into our conversation. so the general election commission has finally officially announced that, but i boss of young though, and he brand black. i'm assuming that i got is the president and vice president elect. so from your point of view, as one of the founders of bible was political party getting that. and also as a nation lawmaker, what are the challenges that the new administration will have to face? oh, thank you very much for having me. a big gun. davis is my 1st time actually. me interviews my odyssey are play sure. yeah. the most difficult challenges in my opinion, is to continue recording to make growth while maximizing the

advantages to the indonesian people. and aside from that, we must anticipate the economic and financial sectors because there will be the most affected by the global on uncertainty and which may remain in an issue. the creates that believe these are that the economy can function. so therefore, um, we are optimistic and indeed uh the one written then on working with all of parties in indonesia to build the country better. and of course we have the foundation that it's been already established by the previous government present. president elect double is to be under,

chose china as the 1st foreign countries that he fits that, that. so during this need for said with chinese presidents each in being as well. what are the goals off this visit, and how do you see the, the outcome of this fits? it will be for indonesia and china relations? well as they did by prob, both of the on the minister of the fans and also the president elect during the recess. and he's meeting with president of june being the receive uh on the line, indonesia determination to maintain strong cooperation with china. i think you said that during the dinner during the meeting and particularly in industrial and,

and slash dr. sectors. you know that china is one of the indonesia is most significant partners. and so i believe, uh, it's only reasonable that china has become $11.00 of the top countries, the res, it yeah. and the recent is expected to help improve by let the relation between our 2 friendly countries. yeah, i think uh that says the very significant reset by by see them like 5 level. now if we talk about the security of the in the past, the effect by b j considers you as interference to be the main cost off true balance in the region from your point of view. what's in the shows view on this matter? well uh, 1st and foremost,

as it comes to the with the free and active foreign policy, we naturally say a secure and peaceful in the past civic region as a strategy environment for indonesia to 5 and the grow. as a result, we prefer cooperation with a more inclusive approach that uh well comes every one through dialogue, mutual respect and understanding of international law rather than or i fully and competition. so this is clearly stated in the r c. i would look for the in the past if it and i've called and said real boys by indonesia, that as soon as to become the perspective of us young member states,

indonesia is the world uh, 16 largest economy now and the 3rd largest democracy in the world. so our population makes up more than 40 percent of the overall i see on population. that means that indonesia is a new economic power and it's price. and this has been clicked ation for original and the global economic suck chose so as a middle power. indonesia has similar power and liability to join the brakes. and if this happens, it will undoubtedly enhance in the nation economy and also open up several prospect. however,

the extent to which indonesia will join the break still a consideration for us. so both in terms of the economy gains and political issues, and it is prudent for us to anticipate what the future may hold. so, but i believe that the it is style. so low from non a lion approach to both the alignment approach now is already different color from bipolar b. paula, so mostly for indonesia is the forest most populous country in the world with a robust economy. we also know that we are aiming for the golden generation in 2045 to and do you see any here as a leader in the global south as the world experiences the shift towards multi

polarity of the global? well, it's undoubtedly that indonesia is consistently forcing the interest of the global solid in international air and not as we did in the past during the 1st independence era. so internet show was the pioneer of the asia, africa congress in 1955 and resulting in desktop steel bundle or the bundle and spirit rates later become the inspiration to the establishment of the non aligned movement in 1961. and at that time, indonesia loved the global south struggle against imperialism, colonialism, and western occupation. so indonesia was also the founding member of us yon suddenly after 1967. and now indonesia is

a member of g to m d. the 3rd larger, largest democracy in the world. one of the most promising me the power countries. and what i wanted to emphasize is that indonesia is still committed to play up by a football role in creating global peace. so global peace and security and prosperity. so hands, i'm very determined to express of the museum that indonesia and has a real, always show significantly the shape in the global south. we're going to talk about election, but not in an asian election. we are going to talk about russian presidential

election. well, i think indonesia, in russia as a very long standing of relations since the so if you have time. so given indonesia and russia as a long history of this throne relation, i believe this is a very welcoming and kind of jing, uh get your right example or president put the end to accommodate delayed by see them like, yeah, but i will. and this also demonstrates the 2 countries i intention to develop my lead through the nation under propose a government. so like weisner also we are way too late, but i see it in within 4 is are these out in the election with land slide 63. i would like to begin with appreciation through the federal assembly, you know, the russian federation and sample election formation for opportunity to be

part of the intonation of sort of ration of the russian presidential election. so it is indeed a reflex and this is for the 2nd time i written this, the presidential election, the 1st time was 99. the 6 during the election. and the candidate at a time was voted sales team and to gonna, uh, and uh for this election i think for candidates. so the election of silver program is an important event that allows us to learn from one another and share best practices and explore democratic practices. the 3 different methods of casting votes. yeah, which i did now. i which i learn. it's a at my manually by checking the options of develop paper and electronically by using the device provided. so these 3 ways and another

one is online which can be done uh from anywhere without having to go to the polling station. so this 3 uh options they must state the, the strong, a willingness to hinder fraud. i think. so through the use of technology indicating a more democratic big improvement. and furthermore, i believe that the russian people are actually made it to do, fling political inclinations. as evidenced by transparent voting boxes, which i so yeah, uh, treated uh, the sensors that directly counted uh ballots. and this demonstrate the majority of democracy in russia. so overall,

my findings indicate that the any country can develop its own electro system of customized to its own needs. and democracy can continue to evolve in accordance with its countries. unique circumstances. that's uh, i think over all my findings. yeah. and you had a pleasure visit as well as always in russia. of course. yeah. so. so not long after the election completed, the west crashed a b b e. election to criticize the election and calling it on democracy. take an unfair. so from your point of view, why do you think such allegations were made towards russian election? well, i cannot the command on their behalf. yeah. and, and sure,

unsure of the basis of such charges. however, i believe it is important that we recognize that democracy may grow in response to each country's particular needs and circumstances. and i think so far, uh, i witness the process of democracy in russia. we did turn out of so many people and also with the transparency in the pulling station proof that they have breakfast, a democratic election. we also know not long after the election. there's a recent terror attack in moscow that really shocked the world, especially not long after the election and prompting several countries to ramp up

there and type her as precautions. so how has indonesia responded to the news of this tragedy? well, i was in moscow almost a week chair before the effect of good and i was there to participate this in on the international observe ration for the president selection of our president of election. it was i'm very logically startled and troubled by the harder for effect on civilians in public spaces. because before the election, even a night before the election. we also in the room in the big room like, uh, parts of home to watch all sort of performances of, uh, the best uh things and then things of russian culture. so of course, on behalf of the house of representatives of 35 bits of indonesia and the information

people i send my profile was on the lenses to the russian people following the how to take effect on the progress uh, safety haul. and which claim many lives more than $100.00. yes. and our hotels seem to be also extend to the insured and uh the, the, uh, the uh, families. so following the incident in moscow, the innovation government, through the golden, anything the new server for politics, law, and human rights, has directed the fund, municipal respond, particularly security forces to boost domestic vigilance, which i believe is a natural reaction. but most importantly, i believe in donations were surprise and sent them to learn about the fact we all

hope that the. 1 risk responsible for such a genius effect to be arrested quickly and it's been arrested, i think by the or 30 please. and uh, so it'd be stopped. so because of course, uh this, this, uh, really disturbing and its a tragedy most co is also looking into as it ends off for in special services taking part in this attack. so, do you think this period is justified? well, i promised that the russian should probably before see is real swiftly and tougher . the preferred traitors of these areas scaling no matter where they come from. and whoever is the responsible must be for stick with it. yeah. and also is beside behind, this is a fact, so i believe

a spill in under investigation. so now we will back talking about the media and rational relationship. there are a lot of people who shared the opinion that the relationship that both countries have right now is solely because the relationship that has built during soviet indonesian era to what extent do you agree on this opinion? well indeed, i think, uh, we cannot deny the historical throughs that by letter nation suited between indonesia and the russia of the game during the soviet union era. and especially if weekly in 1945. yeah. since the beginning of our independence and at the time, the associate union was one of the congress that,

well come indonesia, independence, and a condemn. all types of colonialism. and, uh, he goes, fighting for indonesia, independence side support. and, uh, a, from the soviet union. at the united nation u. n. the soviet union regularly highlighted of the issue of indonesia. and the last thing that the u. n. stopped that you're going to to the aggression and for the international community to recognize indonesia as an independent country. so i think this is a static effect on the historic, the capital for the foundation of our, uh, long lasting relation between the 2 countries. so along with the global politic of

brands, there have been ups and downs in relation between indonesia and russia. but i believe there we will continue to assign some in the near future and also in the future. if we are taking back to these days, what modern day projects between the 2 countries that play an important role in strengthening the cooperation and in your point of view, how can we escalate that relationship? well, uh, indonesia, a share of globalization has been wired successful in variety, or feels by the friends and, and location corporation spam out. yeah, i hope that's corporation between the 2 feels we'll continue to grow in the future . however, i believe it is also interesting, those by the, the prospect of corporation in the field of renewable energy for example,

and alternative energy, and also particularly nuclear and energy. interesting point that you need, you have to open up towards russia. yeah. now, um, there's this study released by envelope, an enter nation company that monitor social networks. and the study found that the majority of indonesian users expressed support for the russian special military or pre should also citing a negative attitudes toward nieto and the u. s. so what's your take on this study and why do you think indonesians have this kind of opinion? i do believe that indonesian citizens are knowledgeable about the issue and above the thing. objectively the study by the big data analytics

uh half lawyer has shown a clear public opinion on the ground. however, i have to clarify that the finding uh does not re present this. brands of indonesian authority in the nation consistently raises the floss on democracy, multilateralism and dialogue to and conflict and those fairly these and of course we really continue to critically digest many uh various information or issues, including little bit of database and you brain and gaza. and many other places in the context of the russia ukraine conflict introduced as clearly stated that we consistently support the perfection of variability or integrity and

software. nancy, so yeah, diplomacy and dialogue. so the yeah. forefront to find sustainable solutions. so i believe still the end of war. uh, so it'd be, i mean, uh at the end, you know, diplomacy and negotiation. so it'd be there. so we are parole to this diplomacy and negotiation at the end to find a more sustainable and permanent solution about this fund. i'm part of the ip you task force in the fall, them into the union task force on russia, ukraine conflict, and we push it to both parties from russian solomon uh on this space or the present. they buy their federal funds to and also by duma and also the ukranian parliament. actually we try to

find a more sustainable peaceful solution through dialogue. i think this is with as far as the only platform that still exist, it can be a platform for engagement from. ready policies so i think in, on each one is to have a piece in there and pay the story because it also affects uh for security and a decent pdp. nope. leo safety, indonesia as consistently for us the need to respect the un charter and international law, including who respect in $3030.00 of the integrity and suffering fee. however, we also committed to multilateral exams and diplomacy to and from slick

and hostilities. so hands, i do believe that you need to lab, throw sanctions to word russia are not only in a factor and what was the other way around, but also unable to find a clear path for sustainable peace. so secondly, i would assert that indonesia also formerly complies with the fundamental principle of independence and active part in policy, which had been uh, meant that uh since 1948. so it means that indonesia, i was born in policy, cannot be fully or partially aligned with any countries, any blocks or in the world power. in this respect,

indonesia as maintain positive relations. we advice yeah. seems to this off yet era. so likewise, indonesia also has become a good friend of you brain since their independence in 1991. so our friendship has deeply repeated our foreign policy history. actually see that last year the nation for administer called for reform of the you and the security consul emphasizing the need for a multi lateral system. so what do you make of the debate surrounding this issue? the security, consult efficiency? yes, of course. the issue of the advocacy and efficiency of the u. n. security console has become our close of pension. we are outright supporters of the u. n. system and we put the wrong trust in the powder and we'll fill out the role of the

system. however, we believe that the u. n. a security, the concept of the form is extremely needed to avoid further products. fatherless is with the gods through the peace. that goes situation. suggesting guys, uh, i think uh to create peace in palestine. so referrals, serious steps need to be taken immediately 1st. oh congress. my us, you live and have their same interest to create sustainable peace in gaza and palestine as a whole by working together taking complete actions and mobilizing resources to lead out of these adversity. and 2nd, western countries must stop there, douglas, found it a double send the perspectives that percent as you and he po, perfect,

so attitude towards palestine and completely stopped providing policy. so late the end, the front of make supports israel authority. so then we must also raise you negotiations to create an independent palestinian state and upset other spine to become a full member of the united nations. and in this case, indonesia will of course, continue to provide politico support models. so for, for police speed in independence. and the security of the policy, me and people, so in the nation actually continue to gather support for palestinian peace through various forums, including had the problem and 3 level. so in this last 2 i view assembly sessions with example. we have always mobilize this thing of the global

vitamin by proposing an emergency item to and is that i also have fact on guys to stop the war and also the violation of human rights. and guys, i initiated through this last time in one that in on roller lots of silver. and then uh, racist me in jeanette uh, also uh with south african solomon and also had a pallet in the the of what is part of the

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