[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to wells a part of the mark twain famously a remark that history and doesn't repeat a sound, but it also arrives. and it's not the circumstances or the actors of any particular

conflict that the get 3 constellations. but the rather the spirit of the problem with south state and resolve parts of ed. so you are being confident is once again stricken with better divisions and kinetic warfare. does history offer any ideas point moving forward? to discuss that i'm now enjoyed by loops plus i left wing slovaks, politician and deputy speaker on this slide back in parliament. mister bloss. uh, it's a great honor and great pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much for your time . thank you very much for the invitation. not mr. bloss. lemme k is a relatively small country, but it's also been a pretty powerful voice again, the mainstream consensus of that is for now, or at least in favor, often times to find the war with russia. and you've been a quite a strong optis within that voice. why did your take this sounds that you took on the conflict in the ukraine on this thing? your position has any impact whatsoever in the face of the ears? pro war unit 2? where's the fall of the work?

yeah, he's what he paid before my sham and we really respect to the sacrifice. so for us on marshal nations in deliberating, causing the 2nd of all the girls from faces themselves. we are very thankful and grateful to russia. and this is something we should be heavy in our hearts. i mean, uh, slow back nation, of course. so you can see that the organization is uh how be id. there is a hollow population which is very much influenced by liberal approval down docs. and then we can bro, bye down, dine only, so you know, media in zeros, and then you will have the 2nd part of the population. fortunately, now we have the majority and be wanting to elections. i mean, the brian, any certainly robust feeds all and we want to be so we've been to have a piece. we don't want to send the bi funds to new grain. we don't want to have the expansion of nato because we see this as a cause of these warning ukraine. so this is our stance. it's very similar right

for policy. and of course, why it'd be our flights we designed by of all of us. and bach knows about the v b being the freedom of speech and the sort of idea of nations. so i hope that we can still come from you in our peaceful bodies. now i, i very much like the way you frame this war in one of your articles, your road that it's wrong that to slavic nations are it's war. and that american arms company is making money from it. and it's hard to disagree with that. it's definitely wrong, but it's also the reality and to some extent, it's apparent obstacle reality because i'm the one have a 4 or 5 years ago. i wouldn't be able to imagine something like this happening. and yet, if we go further back down into history, it's almost seems kind of possible. it doesn't seem so unlikely after all. and i wonder how do you see this concept received as an inexplicable or do you think quite the contrary,

that it was to some extent predictable that it could have happened? i'm sure this is another conflict between the ukrainian nation and the russian nation. these the conflict, especially between american and russia, america on the right side. so it's of course, the west against the russian federation. everybody's skin changes because if you didn't, would be golfing between ukraine and russia. ukraine wouldn't be lost in a few weeks. we don't want this uh call police uh, which can disclose to the ground floor. i think only the people without any commonsense then continue to escalate of these calls me that. that's why we are designing our emory gun and you will be in boxes because we are in the right time because we invite you to be a resource for bees. v won't go have good dialogue and good relations on the east. on the log on to solve on the west, all the, all the arts. so i don't think that our advert positions are but gays to you are being, you know, these are, they are just the, was of the come on sense either you opinion and i'm going to read the hungry for

his unbox, but also you have the middle to a country like all 3 of it which he reach out, he's not sending the weapons us as v or not. so i don't think that uh, this is something uh, unpredictable and i hope that the, the people have ukraine, either restaurants, either or ukrainians. lots are going to die forever by hold the peace of the armies . these can be here in few months, in order to establish conditions for lasting peace. we also need to understand the dynamics, the old in the deepest dynamics of this war, not just the current or political layer, but you know what, what is underneath them, as you have already alluded, uh, there is the memory of the 2nd world war. so my case self suffered greatly from fascism. i. you had your own paul acost at that time. your own very strong anti

nasa resistant movement. and i wonder how much is that a factor in it? not just a public pull with ex today, but in how ordinary people see you and relate to both to the current politics and to russian, the west. yes, vc. and the way i see that there is a wave of racist. there was a phobia we choose to very similar to the thirty's and forty's in the european history, and it was the time of of fascism. amazing, some. that's why we are very focused to be this trans. you cut off blame the russian nation as it is before the seen the, this is something which is absolutely for actually it's, that's why we are, remember how it was in the 2nd of all of the rolled. and we even if you member of of the boundary stuff from your brain about doing in the east. in slovakia there were killing the people. there were the robert robert of the villages. in slovakia,

probably everybody in the role can remember a void in my sector and so long term had received at the ponder our solution each are celebrate the to in the ukraine. we kind of being silent. i'm the account. can i actually ask you about that? because the west often accused us of russia all exploiting the memory and the trauma of world war 2 for its own. so retiring aims while at the same time being absolutely a believe is to be effect. so we have, i mean you're saying that this will back and people remember the corners of the war, but for some reason the west thousands remember. and it's very insensitive to say the least about the forming alliances with far right? then neo fascist worth is in ukraine. and elsewhere, how to explain it is an ignorance as a deluxe of historical map memories, or perhaps the marriage of convenience, or even a conscious ideological on lines. it is the book really is a simple question. it's the dog far less the thinking in this barrier. for example,

in my country in slovakia, when you say the face east, the establishment during the 2nd world war because we had to be so facing the corporation by germany. you'll hear people say that this is something those you will be by the cutest by the bodies of course, because you are supporting faces. by the way, you understanding boundaries that seem you probably all you are but the ordering. they're here. they're both of these in ukraine. you're here, all the media and they'll deliver all this because you are the said that you break . and this is people crazy about. i can say you from history that the when b member on each side was the best and you will be in countries in the 2nd of all the world. you can see that here in germany was nancy germany. he thought he was specially, it's a tell you about joe and another. and then was of him being a little compared to being in a few days that had frauds you know, a few weeks. so he's very sandy,

the reference to nice germany and so on. so you can continue it, but in this way and you see that the sacrifice over at the bottom, the, the sacrifice overestimation of belongs nation human to ukraine. nation was so high, so high for me. and so i know millions of people and in the western countries it was like this. so that's why it's a different memory for 2nd world war because respect is and the slow x as a, as the fastest nation. the really remember this. now when we say fascism, you know, they said worst provoke, so a lot of emotional reaction, it has a lot of political connotations. but what's underneath it is actually, you know, a belief system that presupposes that certain people are above other people. what's allowed to you is not allowed to me. you're allowed to suffer, and i'm allowed to teach you how to sort of know to be a barbarian. and this is not just a historical moment. i mean, it's more polish these days, but the west still, you know, cleans that right to be,

um, you know, uh, the shining beacon of a wisdom for other nations. what couldn't be done in practical terms with these kind of ideology because uh sure it's not always expressed that expresses itself as fascism but it's still very much problem. don't the global stage on many of the wars we have, you know, they won't have seen over the past couple of decades. ultimately, it could be, you know, brought down to that there in principle that's we as a nation, know what's best for you and we are going to invade and kill and enter use all other means to make sure that all well prevails over yours. well, there is a kind of superiority complex in the west and be so liberal or no number of idle g reflects this. legal reasoning is it kind of built on it's already on the, the g or thought all utilities because it hasn't the respect to the diversity of the world who doesn't respect the other cultures,

doesn't respect other nations. dorothy, because we're all in the west to tell you, okay, you have, for example, ultimate star. truly you have the most in countries who have the policy set culture . but new cult heavy is because you need to be a very, very human rights to freedom as to be honest ended in the best you will need to have the same democrats, the s v. and so, so it's a kind of a mental cooling the, all these things. and this is something to be the need to refuse because we need to be need to respect all the counselors, all the nations into all i told say to the chinese that you want to have the homeless extra amenities because in brussels to be one. but they have to almost like so many just this is kind of ridiculous and is why i really believe and a freedom i really, really believe in diversity ends or respect to the other nations. i don't need to be a fan of rush. i don't think of a fan of china or fennel some of your ideas or their respect their culture. and this is something we do many people in the best stop to respect. and this is

a very, a big sailor of device, not simply. jason says ation, but i think the roots are for these, if you don't in the history of the but now um, going back to slide lock in his current position. if so land blocks country boarded by poland to the north ukraine to the east, from green to the south end, austria to the west. they also have a tablet, a check republic on the northwest. easily hostilities for whatever reason spelled beyond the ukrainian horse theatre into europe. you may find yourself right in the midst of it. do you think you're a current neighbor membership and nature will protect here because i'm in the, you express a very, it was sympathetic a very, to hearing the very a ration l stands. but if worst comes to worst will in the secure um, you know, a good position for yourself. so our national interest is to avoid the war of any kind. this is for sure. that's why we are now saying that we need to stop the war on the train. then you need to have the dialogue with russia in the data go to

relations, meet the russian federation. of course, we are the father of the european union and the natal, but we already agreed to go to the wars of nato, for example, into a slightly ups or in libya. this why the are my predict goals and vc also the causes of the warranty. ukraine in these expansion of nato. this is for sure, because the seen us from russia was very clear. we don't want to pay the you, brian, in the adults hendo and they don't want it to expand. and the full address i'll be coming from the borders of united states. it was due on the stage and don't realize we were coming to the board as the director. so this is for sure you want to, that would be from the opinions in, for example, on guardianship. i mean, because there is a very right to being the checking government denial. but still the brother with the flow of, i can check the nations. i mean, the normal people is still there. we have a very good connections to be the hungry. we are in the many, many positions so, so you know, to austria,

which is now to accomplish. so i don't think that exceptional support by the board and in the rush. i mean it's, we don't the story. i think that is because started by the doctor's lights turn about makes slovakia hungry all through out then the slip any uh then the gray shot . so it'd be a lot of our, the peaceful agents in the us. and so i will, the functions will be very good. okay. well, uh for the time being and mr. possibly have to take a very short break, but we will be back to the discussion in just a few moments say to the or is there a line it's can be started by line piece can be cited by true importance of we could never be kind of

a study since that transparency is next 40 range on mystic patrice then just succeeded in finding the documents that existed in making them available to the was probably the main water could be more bold in baths by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest, wants to so long realized tends to me, uh and, and, and honestly, to relate continuously. and i know why advice may assume that no one who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely bought the adjustments for to be on box weighing a 175 used to go through the extensions. are we going to let that stay

the welcome back towards the portsmouth, new box block, a left wing slovak politician and the purchase speaker on the sidewalk in parliament. mr. blossom before the break. you said that uh some i care as well as hungry as well as auster of peaceful nations. and i think that's true, but you're still part of uh, 2 large blocks that are quite a nickel to my country at this point of time. on this is a major security dilemma for russia at the moment because most of the sydney doesn't want to explore, expand this conflict to europe. but your opinions countries keeps 0 link prolonging funding and by supplying the weapons to your grant. and i know that's why i like it, for example, doesn't do that, but your, you know, the countries that are associated with doing that, france and germany, some others. and they're doing that's without any consequences to themselves, believing that they can defeat the russia from

a safe distance without any harm to them. and any military commander would tell you that this assumption needs to be shot, or is in order to bring all the ward dynamics and all the participants into they open. do you think leaders in here of understand how dangerous has been can that they are choosing to play for now? and how do you feel about it that you may be in the thick of the, of all the kinetic fighting through no fault of your own. and so no desire for your own as well. yes, you are true that the leaders into european union today are very many times and this kind of ultimately dies and should be refused. but also we can see the new ways off when you thinking, of course, it's not in every country and they'll do it in every government. but you will see the funded you from ukraine. i would say like this in the european union. and for example, in germany, you have to box the f b,

which is all very successful in the bowl. so you have to box your room, you see select banding fronts, which is very successful, or mr. ok, my showing on the left was waiting for it to go through these are you pretty all the stuff stands is off of west them leaders and that will be the electrons in june, in the european union on to the european parliament and may be the parties all the politicians was very critical to these of the expansion of nato, to these war and ukraine. and to this, uh, meaning the organization of you, the european policies. i think this, this box, these can be very successful and these can change the positions of all for your be leaders. and i hope that this will be the truth. now you mentioned some shifts and european public opinion, but there, there's also been a major shift in the ukranian strategy. ukraine is now openly and approving off and sometimes of resorting to terrorist tactics. and for now, these tactics are a,

primarily at the russia and the russian citizens, but they know from history that, uh, fundamental is terrorist, almost always turn against that own pain masters. we know that's happened with al tie. then the americans that happened to some extent with the chance in europe. do you think it's possible with the ukrainians? do you think they can, at one point become a security threats, not just for russia, but for the european union to? well tell reason these are the colon and i me and this is something you really to really stress the thermally, is that i don't most go we to started. well, i asked them to be of close that if use it and we need to each other of the come on come and yeah. and so the restaurants of its chinese to beat everybody in the world again, stale reason and when i see that. so sometimes you know, when the ukrainians, for example, of bomb, the 3 man, the bridge, it was a terrorist. as i handed a, you know, as it was like,

oh i love the west the well think like this is ok. if this is the most ok, and i hope that us as it is with the mail, matthews and spacious, i mean you train the army as it is in the mixed areas in being uh in kind of any been caught up the was we need to be very basic, uh, very, pretty simple and sometimes i see a lot of people policy in the west is why am i very critical to read about the 2 days that it'd be nice to find stories and in every corner of the world. and maybe when you're talking about the so that will start. so although you will be a thinking, may need to speak about the does that must that garcia of by use right now. and when we see that there, you'll be, leaders are very, very hesitating to come down, but he's ro, assets, the massacre as even some of the people he knew about the nation. so according to this, so these must go some jo side. and suddenly we see the, the european or american lead, those like say, oh, it's a, it's a ride of these roads to,

to the children i need to delta. and then they say is mostly arrives to overall shop to defend their interests. as regards the expansion of nato, your tribes, this is again double stunned or people policy. and we need to refuse it. you mentioned the terrorist attack on concert goers, goers outside moscow, which claimed, at this point of time, 144 lives with another 551 people injure them. so here in russia speculated then this attack was and not so much at ordinary people or social stability in the russian. but i present it and put in for personal, useful base. prior to that, how secure is another presidential term and who believes strongly a national security. this is one of the reasons here, authorize the military operation and your print, but clearly he like no other late or can guarantee security 100 percent. what do you think about and do you think they hate for us to put on a strong and have to justify in some enlightened circles, farming many innocent people to deliver a blow to him personally?

well, we need to wait for the investigation. i don't want to make any statements which are not the, you know, so i'm not asking here about the, there's concrete the time, but i'm asking whether do you think be paid for it for puts in would, may lead some people to, you know, approve of decisions they otherwise would know the approval of yes, there is a kind of fun updates on every side. and this is somebody dangerous as why we, we are calling for peace because every war can create these guys. ok, so we didn't send, i think this moves down the limits, but still i am uh, i want to stress the other problem because when we are talking about this done resuming, most go outside the most golf. uh. you see the problem of, uh, i would say is lemme terrorism, which is very concrete also in your opinion. yeah. and uh, do you have the big problem with migration in slow, but the,

i swelled the want to stop this mostly migration because it's very dangerous. if this i'm a products from some of what's in countries are coming to our, our countries and doing the best things. and that's why we are trying to say to you to be leaders. let's take more money and give it to the so of both extra of border of b to b before it is a migration. but they are giving the ukrainians those those of a 1000000000 and sofa of money of yours, but not on the so protection of board are not all of these fight against the skill a no me ration. this is a big news that excuse me, but i switched it out for you. you know, that's why i think the beginning to concentrate on the issues of migration on the issues of growth. excellent. why don't people on the issues of social rights, of other people and the least on that? but really, i mean i, you will be leaders. i believe it's the, the you, they want to only how do you claim and they want to only help the majority

companies and these meetings are a complex and this is a very, very, very, very big mistake. not now, mr. boss, or you just mentioned a couple of issues that usually make up the so called pay patriotic agenda. you know, um, minding leaving spenders, being preoccupied with domestic issues, wanting to preserve some semblance of social stability and dressing, migration, conscientiously and consciously. you know, siding is a fax on the, you know, indigenous societies and making sure that you actually care about social harmony that you do then is smart then and diligence way. um you know, leaders who pursue these kind of politics are very easily handled by the way also care about national security. they and these kind of leaders are very easily labeled as a ideal logs, as demagogues as a to tell a terry. and i'm put in is one example, but obviously the prime minister of your own country, a role birth fits. so the also gets

a fair share of those accusations just as he has the gary and con counterparts. victor, oregon. and i wonder, what are you seeing benefits from propagating this association between authentic patriotism and patriotism that doesn't want to take other countries resources but just wants to define its own interest can get some benefit from you know, presenting it in such a not just uh you know darn, but uh, ultimately very harmful and very dangerous way. well, i would say that these are very funny. these things show which is very popular in the west of the do today as you are saying, on the one side, the way it is. now the advisors who believe in the west and hanging morning and under, i'm sorry to have everybody else. if you had 5 by 2, i think um for his i'm signed to mind. see if you ever last being or i'm p. now the products, uh ceilings and the ideas you are the strictest. you are to tell me tell you is a said you are even there's

a way they are using the storming slovak. yes. and you are meant you are going to remind you to have any right. so you, you don't have your troops, you just need to follow these mail. people who are doable as i go about. i think the agenda piece is very dangerous. this that's the target is of course different, but then it's already and no narrative as it was before, but we're using the don't liberal faces because of course the, the runs in my face come down and be from the bible. it is. but today, today's nowadays so either all or no, even off our blame you, i like to let fish just they don't respect other than the other obedience they will do. basic, you know, criminalized people for the, any of these was something is the key of the usual 3 years ago on the, these 3 years where we had the rights being melanie. but all document, even me as a person, as a body shop, was persecute even by the body. so therefore use because i respect the single awful red army, it's a red star,

really siegel and the member and i will spare secuity by dix. trim is, i will see the best that you do as extreme is because i wrote the, the book they both take about up or i have to go over all the. so i think the book about the need. and they say all this is extremities. you just need to have to go on and just doing, you just need to pay the rest of everybody because baseball, you want to remember the period of time in history. when there was only $12.00 l, it was fake. she's a rock. when i go he said this is only one truth and i think that, you know, you're, which is based on diversity, the freedom of speech and beauty for renaissance and beautiful enlightenment areas . so that we, we are in such a devastating very old dock times even that times maybe i just brought everything the other opinions. this is something to be very sweet person need to be very, very disappointed with mr boss or we have to live in there. but thank you very much

for joining us today. thank you very much. let's leave the base. thanks and thank you for watching post to syria. again on the wells of part the the,

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