on the phone, welcome to worlds, a part of the mark twain, shamelessly a remark that history and doesn't repeat a sound, but it often arrives. and it's not the circumstances or the actors of any particular conflict that the guthrie constellation, but rather the spirit of the problem with south state and resolve parts of it. so you are being confident is once again stricken with better divisions and kinetic warfare. does history offer any ideas point moving forward to discuss that? i'm now enjoyed by lou bush, blah, a left wing, slovaks, politician and deputy speaker. on this level i can follow him and mr. bluffer, it's a great honor and great pleasure to talk to you. thank you very much for your time . thank you very much for the invitation. now mr. bloss us, la k is

a relatively small country, but it's also been a pretty powerful voice against the mainstream in your consensus that is for now, or at least in favor, often times to find the war with russia. and you've been quite a strong optis within that voice. why did your take this sounds that you took on the conflict in the ukraine on this thing? your position has any impact whatsoever in the face of the ears? pro war unit 2 was the fall of the work here. here's what i said before, my sham and we really respected the sacrifice. so for us on rational nation in deliberating, guys in the 2nd of all the girlfriend faces themselves. we are very thankful and grateful to russia, and this is something we should be heavy in our hearts. i mean slovak nation, of course. so you can see that the like nation, these are how divided. there is a hollow population which is very much influenced by the liberal throw around us

and then we can bro, bye down, dine only. so you know, media in zeros and then you have the 2nd part of the population. fortunately, now we have 2 major re fi and be wanting to elections. i mean the primary certainly robust feeds all and we want to be. so we've been to have a piece. we don't want to send the bi funds to the grain. we don't want to have the expansion of nato because we see this as a cause of these warning ukraine. so this is, our response is very similar, right for policy. and of course quite it'd be our points we designed by of all of us. and bach knows about the v b being the freedom of speech and the sort of idea of nation. so i hope that you can see all kinds of, you know, of a piece of bodies. now i, i very much like the way you frame this one in one of your articles. you wrote that it's wrong, that 2 slavic nations are at war and that american arms companies are making money from it. and it's hard to disagree with that. it's definitely wrong,

but it's also the reality. and to some extent, it's a paradoxical reality because on the one hand, 4 or 5 years ago, i wouldn't be able to imagine something like this happening. and yep, if we go further back down into history, it's almost seems kind of possible. it doesn't seem so unlikely after all. and i wonder how do you see this concept proceed as an inexplicable or do you think quite the contrary, that it was to some extent predictable that it could have happened? i'm sure this is another conflict between the ukrainian nation and the russian nation. these the conflict, especially between american and russia, america on the right side. so it's of course, the west against the russian federation. everybody's experiencing is because adrian would be coughing between ukraine and russia. ukraine wouldn't be lost in a few weeks. we don't want this uh call the police the extent is close to the ground floor. i think only the people without any common sense den,

comforting you stupid escalated these calls me that. that's why we are designing our emory con and you will be in boxes because we are in the return. no, because we are entitled to be a resource for bees. v won't go have good dialogue and good relations on the east, on the north, on the south, on the west, although all the arts. so i don't think that uh, our advert positions are gays to you being, you know, be sure to be, are just the, was of the come on sensing the european union to get to read the hungary for his unbox. but also you have the middle to a country like all 3 of those who you reach out. he's not sending the weapons a c s v or not. so i don't think that uh, this is something uh, unpredictable and uh, i hope that uh, the people have ukraine, either restaurants, either or ukrainians. lots of going to die forever. i hope that the peace of the army space can be here in few miles in order to establish conditions for lasting

peace. we also need to understand the dynamics, the old in the deepest dynamics of this one, not just the current, your political layer, but you know what, what is underneath. and then as you have already alluded, uh, there is the memory of the 2nd world war. so my case self suffered greatly from fascism. i, you had the own paul acost at that time, your own very strong anti and that's a resistance movement. and i wonder how much is that a factor in it? not just a public pull it takes today, but in how ordinary people see and relate both to the current politics and to russian. the west. yes, we see in the west of that there is a wave of racist. there was a phobia we choose to very similar to the thirty's and forty's in the european history, and it was the time of fascism. amazing, some of the that's why we are very sucked to be this trends. so you kind of blame

the russian nation as it dees before the seem to want to be something which is absolutely fresh that's. that's why we all remember how it was in the 2nd of all of the rolled and we even have a man, but it almost boundaries to us from you, brian of a leading dealer. the east. in slovakia, i've never killing the people they ever does. but robert roberts, the villages in slovakia, um probably uh everybody in the role can remember a void in my sucker. and so $1.00 and $2.00 had received at the ponder our solution each our celebrate the to a, in the ukraine. we kind of being silent. i'm the account, can i actually ask you about that? because the west open accused as a rush off. exploiting the memory and the trauma of world war 2 for its own. so retiring aims while at the same time being absolutely a believe is to the effect. so we have, i mean you're saying that this will back and people remember the corners of the war . but for some reason the west doesn't remember. and it's very insensitive to say

the least about the forming alliances with far right. the neo fascist forces in ukraine and elsewhere. how to explain it is an ignorance as a deluxe of historical map, memories, or perhaps the marriage of convenience or even a conscious ideological on lines. it is the book racing is a simple question. it's called far less stuff thinking in this barrier. uh, for example, in my country in slovakia, when you say the face use the establishment during the 2nd world war because we had to be so facing the corporation by germany. you'll be able to say that this is something goes, you will be by the q things by the bodies, of course, because you are supporting faces. by the way, you understand the boundary stuff in the loop, right? or you are, but the, your endeavors here, they're both of these in ukraine. you're here all of the media and they'll deliver all of because you are the fact that you break. and this is people crazy about,

i can say from history that the wouldn't be any member on each side was the best and you will be in countries in the 2nd of all the world. you can see that here in germany was nancy germany. he thought he was specially, it's, it's, it's about jim call and another. and then was of them being a little compared to being in a few days that had frauds, you know, a few weeks. so the space and the to the weapons to nice to germany and so on. so you can continuing, but in this way and you see that the sacrifice override and the sacrifice overestimation of belongs nation human to ukraine. nation was so high, so high schools, indians or federal mediums of people and in the western countries it was like this . so that's why is a be from memory for 2nd world war because respect is and the slow us as a, as especially some nation. the really remember this now, why don't we say fascism,

you know, they said worth provokes a lot of emotional reaction. it has a lot of political connotations. but what's underneath it is actually, you know, a belief system that presupposes that certain people are above other people. what's allowed to you is not allowed to me. you're allowed to suffer, and i'm allowed to teach you how to sort of know to be a bar berryanne. and this is not just a historical moment. i mean, it's more polish these days, but the west still, you know, claims that the right to be um, you know, uh, the shining beacon of a wisdom for all the nations. what couldn't be done in practical terms with this kind of ideology, because sure it's not always expressed that expresses itself as fascism but it's still very much problem. don't the global stage on many of the wars we, you know, they won't have seen over the past couple of decades. alternately. it could be, you know, brought down to that very principle. that's we as a nation,

know what's best for you, and we are going to invade and kill. and you know, here's all other means to make sure that all well prevails over yours. well, there is a kind of superiority complex in the west and be so liberal or no new brutal idle logy reflects this is a kind of built auditory on the, the g, or both all utilities because the thousands respect to the diversity of the oil, 2000 and the respect to other cultures doesn't respect other nations. the people who are all in the west to tell you, okay, you have for example, also the scar to exempt the most in countries and have the pulses, check out drugs, but who called heavy spe, because you need to be a very, very human rights to freedom as to be honest, ended in the best you will need to have the same democrats, the s v and so, so it's a kind of a mental cooling the, all these things. and this is something to be the need to read for us because we need to be need to respect all the concepts organizations into all i told say to

the chinese that you wanted to have the homosexual marriages. because in brussels to be one of those types of almost like so many just this is kind of a ridiculous and that's why i really believe and a freedom i really, really believe in diversity ends or respect to the other nations. i don't need to be a sign up for us. i don't need to be a fan of china, our band of 70, or i'd be either respect their culture. and this is something we to many people in the best stop to respect. and this is a very, a big sailor of the best of civilization. but i think the roads are for these, you don't in the history of the but now um, going back just like in its current position. if so land blocks country bordered by poland to the north ukraine to the east, from grand to the south, and austria to the west. the also have a tablet, a check republic on the northwest. easily hostilities for whatever reason spelled beyond the ukrainian horse theatre into europe. you may find yourself right in the

midst of it. do you think you're a current neighbor membership and nature will protect here because i'm in the, you express a very, it was sympathetic a very, to hearing the very a ration l stands. but if worst comes to worst will in the secure um, you know, a good position for yourself. well, our national interest is to avoid the war of any kind. this is for sure. that's why we are saying that we need to stop the war on the train. didn't even need to have the dialogue with russia in the day to go to relations with the russian federation . of course, we are the father of the european union and the nato. but we already agreed to go to the wars of nato. for example, in yuba slightly off or in libya, this y b r i agreed to go and vc also because he's on the warranty ukraine in these expansion of nato. this is for sure, because the seen us from russia was very clear. we don't want to had to you, brian in them. they don't handle and they don't want it to expand. and uh,

for the rush i'll be coming to the borders of united states. it was said you have these days and don't realize we were coming to the board as the director. so this is for sure you are to that would be from the opinions in, for example and guardianship. i mean, because there is a very right to being the checking government denial, but still the brother with a slope, i can check the nations. i mean, the normal people is still there. we have a very was go next ones to be the hungry. we are in many, many positions so, so you know, to austria, which is now to accomplish. so i don't think that could be exceptional components by the board and in the rush. i mean it's, we don't the story. i think that is before i started by the doctor's life, turned about makes slovakia hungry. all 3. i've done no sleep any uh then. uh well grace. uh so it'd be a lot of our the very peaceful agents in the sense. so i hope that the but action is going to be like, okay, well, uh for the time being and mr. possibly have to take a very short break,

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the as a result of why this can be started by line, please can be satisfied for the importance of we can never be kind of a station. so that transparency is an extraordinary drawn mistake. patrice then just succeeded in finding documents that existed in making them available to the world public. i mean, what could be more holding back by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest part wants to so long realize tends to me, engulfing endlessly, to relate to seriously. i know why advice may know who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely. voltage us has to be

on box weighing a 175 years since it's all we going to let that stay the welcome back towards the portsmouth new much block, a left wing slovak politician and peter speaker, on the so i can call him and mr. blossom before the break, he said that somebody care as well as hungry as well as auster of peaceful nations . and i think that's true. but you're still part of a 2 large blocks that are quite a nickel to my country at this point of time. and this is a major security dilemma for russia at the moment because most, most certainly doesn't want to explore,

expand this conflict to europe. but your opinion countries keep 0 link prolonging funding and by supplying the weapons to your grant. and i know that's why i locked it, for example, doesn't do that. but the, your, you know, the countries that are associated with doing that, france and germany, some others. and they're doing that's without any consequences to themselves, believing that they can defeat the russia from a safe distance without any harm to them. and any military commander would tell you that this assumption needs to be shot or the in order to bring all the ward dynamics and all the participants into they open. do you think leaders in here of understand how dangerous has been can that they are choosing to play for now? and how do you feel about it that you may be in the thick of a, of all the kinetic fighting through no fault of your own. and so no desire for your own. well, yes you are true that the leader,

i think the european union today are very many times and this kind of familiar tardies and should be refused. but also we can see the new wave off when you thinking, of course, it's not in every country and they'll tell you in every government, but you will see the funded you from ukraine. i would say you'd like this in the european union. and for example, in germany, you have to box the a b which is already successful into both. so you have to box your room, you see select banding friends which is very successful or mr. ok, my showing on the left was waiting for it to go through. these are the 3 all the stuff science is all for western leaders. and that will be the elections in june, in the european union on to the european parliament. and maybe the bodies of the politicians was very critical to these of the expansion of nato, to these war in ukraine. and to this, uh, mean its organization of you, the european policies, i think this, this box, these can be very successful and these can change the positions all for you will be

leaders. and i hope that this will be the truth. now you mentioned some stuff and european public opinion, but there, there's also been a major shift in the ukranian strategy. ukraine is now openly and approving off, and sometimes they're resorting to terrorist tactics. and for now, these tactics are a, primarily at the russia and the russian citizens. but we know from history that, uh, fundamental is terrorist, almost always turn against about own pain, musters we know that happens without kind of then the americans that happened to some extent with the chance in europe. do you think it's possible with the ukrainians? do you think they can, at one point become a security threat, not just for russia, but for the european union to well terrorism. these are the colon and i me, and this is something we do. we need to really stress the time is that i don't most go we to started. well i asked them to be of close to the fuse it and we need to

each other of the come on come on. yeah. and so the restaurants to be chinese to beat everybody in the world again, stale reason and when i see that so sometimes you know when the ukrainians for example, long the 3 man, the bridge. it was a terrorist, as i handed of the, you know, as it was, like a lot of the west, the leaders were uploaded into like this is ok if this is most ok. and i hope that us as it is with the mail, matthews and spacious, i mean you train the hour me as if they seen me stare isn't being in kind of any been caught up the was we need to be very basic on a very, very simple and sometimes i see a lot of people crossing the way as this. why am i very political to read about the 2 days that it'd be nice to find stories and in every corner of the world. and maybe when you have to think about this, so that will start. so all the thinking may need to speak about the does that most across the of by use right now. and when we see that the,

you'll be leaders are very, very hesitating to come down, but he's ro, assets, the massacre as even some of the people he knew about the nation. so according to this, so these must, that goes to joe side and the southern maybe see the european or i'm originally those like say, oh is arrive on these roads to, to the children i need to delta. and then they say, is motorized to overall shop to defend their interests. as regards the expansion of nato, your tribes, this is again, double stand on people policy and we need to refuse it. you mentioned the terrorist attack on concert goers, goers outside moscow, which claimed, at this point of time, 144 lives with another 551 people injure them. some here in russia speculated them this attack was and not so much at ordinary people or social stability in the russian by the president. put in for personal, useful base prior to that had secure is another presidential term and who believes strongly and national security. this is one of the reasons here,

authorize the military operation and your plan, but clearly he like no other lathe or can guarantee security 100 percent. what do you think about and do you think they hate for us to put on a strong enough to justify in some enlightened circles, farming many innocent people to deliver a blow to him personally? well, we need to wait for the investigation. i don't want to make any statements which are not the, you know, so i'm not asking you about advice. there's concrete the time. but i'm asking whether do you think be paid for it for a poor 10 would, may lead some people to, you know, approve of decisions they otherwise would know the approval of yes, there is a kind of fun updates on, on every side. and this is somebody the engine or is this why we we are calling for be so because every walton created these kinds of hates. we didn't fund, i think this looks well down the limits, but still i am, uh,

i want to stress the other problem because when we have boating about the stem resuming most go outside the most golf. uh, you see the problem off. um, i would say its limits terrorism which is very concrete also in your opinion. yeah . and uh, do you have the big problem with migration in slow but the, i swelled the want to stop this mostly migration because it's very dangerous. if this i'm a fan, it takes from some worse than countries are coming to our, our countries and doing the best things. and that's why we are trying to say to you to be leaders. let's take more money and give it to the so of both extra on the border of b to b before this a migration but the giving the ukrainians, those those of a 1000000000 and sofa of money of yours, but not on the so professional board or not all these 5, again, is basically a no me ration. this is a big mistake, excuse me, but i switched it off for you if you're here now. that's why i think the beginning

to concentrate on the issues of migration on the issues of rotation, of our people on the issues of social rights, of other people and the least on that. but we, i mean i, you will be leaders. i believe it's the, the, it came up, they want to only how do you claim and they want to only help the majority companies and these meetings are a complex and this is a very, very, very, very big mistake that mr. blah, for you just mentioned a couple of issues that i usually make up, the so called pay picture artic agenda. you know, um, minding leaving standards, being preoccupied with domestic issues, wanting to preserve some semblance of social stability and dressing, migration, conscientiously and consciously. you know, siding is a fax on the, you know, indigenous societies and making sure that you actually care about social harmony that you do it in a smart and intelligent way. um, you know, leaders, cooper. sir. these kind of politics are very easily handled by the way,

also care about national security, that these kind of leaders are very easily labeled as a ideal logs, as demagogues as to tell a terry. and i'm put in is one example, but obviously the prime minister of your own country enroll birth fee. so the also gets a fair share of those accusations just as he has the gallium current counterpart to victor, oregon. and i wonder, what are you seeing benefits from propagating this association between authentic patriotism and patriotism that doesn't want to take other countries resources but just wants to define its own interest can get some benefit from you know, presenting it in such a non just uh you know darn, but uh, ultimately very harmful and very dangerous way. well, i would say that these are very funny, these things that would be just very popular in the ways to do today. as you are

saying, on one side, the way it is now is you brought the advisors who will be leaving in the west and hanging morning and on the other side and everybody else. if you had 5 by 2 of the go as far as i'm signed to mind, see if you ever last being or i'm be now the products, uh ceilings and the ideas you are the strictest. you are to tell me, tell you it is a said you are even visual where they are using these domains. slovakia and you are meant you're going to remind you to have any right. so you, you don't have your troops, you just need to follow these military uh, doable as i do about i think agenda. this is very dangerous. this, that's the target is of course, different book on the tardy and no narrative as it was before. but we are using the don't liberal faces because of course he believes in my face is i'm done before i go with this. but today, today's nowadays we're all or know even off our plane, your life to let specialist. they don't respect other than the other obedience they will to persecute the criminalized people for that will be the ups. these were

something is the key of the usual 3 years a go on the, these 3 years, wherever we had the rights being melanie. but all document, even me as a person, as a body shop, was persecute even by the police. so therefore use because i respect the single awful red army, it's a red star. we be siegel and the hammer, and i will spare secuity by dix trim east. i will see them. but is that you do as extremities because i enrolled the, the, the book they both took about up or i wrote the, so i think the book about bill any of them. and they say, oh, this is extremities. you just need to have to go out and just have to be doing it. you just need to pay the rest of everybody. because days finally want to remember the period of time in history. when there was only one to l, it was fake. she iraq, when i know he said that this is only one truth and i think that you know, your, which is based on diversity,

the freedom of speech and beauty for renaissance and beautiful enlightenment 30th southerly. we are in such a devastating burial dock times even that times. maybe i've just brought everything the other opinions. this is something to be every sleep person need to be very, very disappointed with mr boss or we have to live in there. but thank you very much for joining us today that go to match. so let's leave the base. thanks and thank you for watching post to syria again on the walls of part

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