hello and welcome. i'm on a punk kid in the evolving landscape of the 21st century. the focus now more than ever is on india. i guess when i did an indian business, executive and angel invest to the shop and shop tanks, india and the founder of india as the oldest online match making survey shoddy dot com that is going on with them at the thank you. so no problem can i find the dog the same? my name? uh, i know how to be sharing my name with you. so am i or decided about to keep your name? i know from my mother and non you decide to. okay, and you know, it was still an unusual name when i was born, you know, it means unique not competitor, but not comfortable. that's a better definition and comfortable. so there are 2 people sitting at a magic boundary computer anywhere. the only difference is one person has $15000.00 girls and the person doesn't. everyone infecting goes. but of course made

a lot of hardware and, and that parents blessings. it'd be a karmic people. yeah. the leaving the cycle of light. yes. what did your father do when? what is his name? his name is gopalakrishnan, the easiest boss to be earlier this year. uh, god bless the soul. my dad uh, you know, comes from a very young blue background. his father died when he was about 16 years old and he had 4 sisters and 3 brothers to look often about this time. so he has to stop school. i need pick up a job which paid him under the bees month, including cut off and show the sony move to them by. and by the time he came to me on a, he started to will it be better and done the salary? and then i was born and i saw him twice my life spending, you know, 16 hours a day at work of building a life for himself. and i was, but he blinked up his businesses and fixed it. and so he had a job and then made enough money to set up his own businesses. he set up factories and they'll move liam to learn b, which are far strong. some ups of them by and become an industrialist and his own

right. and to come from nothing at that point is very difficult, right, and sort of just forced independence in the he was born and then sort of the opportunities were not as much as they are today. right. and the only way you could do it is to shield hard work the culmination and when, you know, i have huge respect and admiration and he's my boy model. in many ways, e started out as a very strict aggressive father in some ways. but it was the 2nd half he had become so philosophically and you know, he was very spiritual is view i buttons become a, become over time. not about what you can do for me. but what can i do for you? so i remember i spent 10 years in the us and then i used to call you had only 2 questions used to say, are you happy? i'd say yeah that and say you need something, i'd say no, it's okay. talk to them. all right, so there was never any name coming back. what are you going to do that would need

to mon, for me, for the others? what can i do for you? and so i think that was really powerful and enabling for me as an individual, but your understanding of that then that it was popular that happened later on that happened later on i in fact kind of part of for the loose yes. i felt that was in the us can be more things was indeed more involved in my life. so at some level like kind of held it against him for a very long time and you picked up on that. but you know, as a introspect and i look back, i think it gave me the freedom and the wings to be able to do it will go anywhere and do anything without having to feel the pressure off of my going. i have to, you know, a dealer by my duty of being the only son and being with my parents. my father was a clock into father's department. they, they, i believe a book was essentially an engine. so when i made it and movies every conversation will end up, can you send me some more money?

so after sometime it started editing. so i said if you finish a conversation with that, i will not talk to you because we have been used to and then say, are you listening to what i'm not saying? so means basically saying the same thing. yeah. and when he passed away, and i ran into some law and i'm a native and i've been to him like to do is be a set of many thousands of people can because he was very popular as a bus. and he was very helpful. and then what about 50 people in the line to say thank you to me. i need this said 50 people. he said he was running out of homes. wow, that was what he was doing with the money that i was sending data so amazing. unsung . no, not announcing non and onto. yeah, that's very much like my father of and he just boss to do the sin feet. there were people who are there from far flung areas of india and we was hoping 12, his life. but he never told us either. so yeah, i can totally understand. i think it's very powerful than a lot of people to give,

but very few people to give on announced what made you come back during the after 10 years, because i saw my dad working 16 hours and you know all the time doing business. that's the only thing i knew was as a teenager, i tried a few different businesses and i tried working with my dad as well since he had his business, but nothing was working out. and because i was kinda young and brash and plastic and he was very different at that point. right. we're talking, you know, 9 piece now. you know, i mean there was just opening up as a country. we were still a very close socialist society. so i kind of blamed the city, you know, this is all because there's no opportunity of people don't get it. they don't give up their word. so i'm going to go overseas. so i took off the, on a, at an out of money. i came back home with my tail between my legs and i sent me your paper off the problem. is that the audit? yeah. so this the hudson us us is whether brings on a india that i grew up. it was very tough. don't know why that was socialist in

some respects. you know, we never said anything against you either. so i should be sure said something. glosser never actually questioned that. and the more to stop it, and that was the pieces were read out the books and cloths, and you used to just sit and listen. and i never got that. i said, i can do this at home by my offending class. and very interesting, even though is in the us, the 1st in class, i'm one of my co stored in the 6th of the peach of steve. i don't agree with you. i was shocked to, i said, 1st of all, you're calling the teacher by his name. and secondly, you say, you don't agree with the beach. i was that even the boss and i said you were in color boy. but turns out steve, the professor, he said, tom, why don't you agree with me? can you show your perspective? i mean, orange, the said and also that you know, he shared with us how that might be pushed back to see what the same problem. but my life changed. i kept my hand up all the time just because i could say, i don't agree with it, even if i agreed. and what i realize that point and in the subsequent the time is

that your perspective, regardless of what it matters site and that was confidence. and i think from there i was able to pick up a lot and in fact i would call those my former computers here and yeah, i was always in trouble and i was getting the bad company. i didn't know what i wanted to just because i was getting claustrophobic bed. i started to believe in was and once that happened, you know, i got a job after college, it took me a while to find a job, but one. so what an integrated that work ethic i started to believe that i could do anything i could build anything. and so you know, after a 10 years that i said look, maybe it's time to be proud in my own crowd. but maybe it's time to get back to mom and dad and you know, i've been to the father long enough and, and that's kind of when i decided that look, let's set up a company that set up a business. let's see how it does. and if it starts doing well, i move back and back with 10032004 is when i move that forward, i do do just a tradition point and came back on because generally further that it's time to do

something for and then you achieve you want to move on? that's right. that's what your graph sales life. not only as a successful businessman or the burner, but as a person on yeah, it was a couple of things. one, the company that i was working in, you know, this was after the dot com inclusion happen. and so it was going to its own struggles. so i knew that there's maybe not the, you know, the future a bright future here. but in badly i did have job offers from other companies, wanted me to come in as one of the co founders or early employees and they were getting by the way it might lead to. and based on the company i was working in, i visit not quite rapidly, and i was a multi millionaire in my, on the 26th i based on paper. the fact remains that offer that i lost at all and then became bank draft. and i moved to india and i was actually in debt, which i prepared off before i moved there because of some bad decisions. what i've done very well for myself. so there are other companies that i wanted to hire and

they offered me ex salary which was always and 6 fingers for somebody in the early twenties. i mean, you can buy any car you warranty can live anywhere you want and they offered me the ship positions, but i always had a condo for them in terms of all for that face. but what was more like with nobody quite, we couldn't bridge to have match locations, you know, at that stage in life i don't know how in more of their decision making is it becomes more about ok. you didn't give me what i want. all right, maybe i'm going to do something else as opposed to maybe. so what you know, let's, let's find a way to, you know, meet off. so i think it was a bit of that and it was a bit of which, but i couldn't, i want to do something big. my dreams will becoming bigger because i've just seen this whole internet thing that come something in the us and i knew that it's going to take or the world at some point. so my dreams are becoming bigger. at the same time, i was feeling separation, anxiety. he, i've been use so many years of 3 of the circle they've created these friendship. i'm this lifestyle. i'm not going to give it out. so i did something. what i think

at 9 site was very smart. i started spending more and more time and engage the so 1st year i spent 34 months next year i spent 6 months and so it took me 3 years to complete the transition. in fact, after i moved back, yes for 2 years, i did not even give up the home that i had been slipping. then from here it was, it was just such a big decision. i to let go of everything that i'd spend 10 years doing is that when you started chevy dot com. that's what i started because you can kind of try to shut the door. come in america. actually i did. you did. i did. did as well in india that point this is lot has changed, but had a software engineer was 7000 would be someone who had a designer, it was 5000 a piece a month. so i had done one of my vacations hired some of the people it was like an opening of editing the paycheck that i was getting right. it was nothing. it was $500.00 a month. and you know,

my dad had some office space which was kind of like, you know, behind the college shed, which was just the room lying around. so i started using that and then i used to work nights. so with that more light thing with these guys trying to think of different businesses, that'd be due. and he actually started a bunch of business. so, and i've sorted a couple of them since then, but of course shoddy dot com became the most popular. so that's how people know me, but be launched. my gone dot com be launched a couple of other gaming businesses, you know, one of the 1st in the country to launch a gaming business. but charlie dot com. interesting. lee was a very unique story because one of the years when i was here in india, i was very independent. so my dad at that point the i develop the camaraderie and i'm friendship. so he wouldn't tell me. and as i said, he will use you become the police officer, what can i do for you? and what can i do for me? so he will never put the pressure on me. that'd be you should get madder than these meet this person. so, one day as i was sitting some, a gentleman losing his,

my dad's friend came in. right. and you know, it's a typical condition of the way that match making happened of india. and you know, very soon within 5 minutes and the conversation, i was pretty clear with us because, you know, you open up this briefcase on my desk and he started pulling or bio d. does what i called really intrigued to because i was just coming from us with everything was back in a way. and then it was just becoming a thing. i said, how many of these body does new gaddy me? you said, oh, i got a about 5060 in my bag, but i have more you want to see more than a realize how many people do you know in your community. you said maybe 200 or so. so i said that for my choice of life buckner is limited by how much weight you can get in how far you can drive it. like, oh, here he looked at me a little confused and possible and maybe a little insulted. i said, look, i'm not trying to the media business. my only point is why don't you give me all these? i have this team of people to be a building different, but this is the one big them put them on the internet. yeah. now, and he, this, in the word we can find the, you know,

portion of their dreams. why just limited to me. and he said yes, but he looked at me as if i was crazy and he never came back. the idea was mine. and so he said, look, this is interesting. and so we see that it'd be, be this website i went back and what the phone was the main to for the service, what's much more pronounced in america in the u. k. because these are geographically dispersed indians wanted to connect with like minded people, and then network stable very small and some desktops or to take off. so be focused on the anybody that didn't have much of an internet. there was only 8000000 people on the internet and their main like that for can you see that? so the business started to grow and you'll established offices in the us. you can kind of built it out. and then i moved back, as i said in 2004, and that became a success overnight or no, it took a while to take it. right? yeah, it would be overnight. success story is twin deals in the making and i always see it right. right. it's just that when people see it,

they suddenly see it. of course we started 200-2003 with 14 focus and gusto. and i think it took a few years and we started seeing some form of success. so do you think that the 2003 we had in 2024? know how come it's still so they're living, they seem to be now in india also having living relationships, we have much more a different outlook goods life. lots of relationships matters and thing that what these people who use or how did you want me to of life. one of them we were best offend your best of. yeah. you know, i actually just posted the on instagram recently talking about the secret to successfully managing it. so and i said in that that if you want to successfully manage mario best friends, may, somebody will even talk to a lot because after a few years that's all you will be doing that side. absolutely. back matter. and, and so you and i perhaps lucky, smaller percent that just that happen to have that. but for the vast majority and

this a great question. you said, why is it still relevant for the vast majority? this doesn't happen, but what happens in india, marriage is not if crushed it. so when crushed lights on the diamond a child, they're talking. what do you manage at by somebody as indians, we love celebrations that it is marriage. and if a man has lived enough, then it's death thoughts. that's as much as we just need any of these into one of the streets and don. yeah, i always, i know you have the confidence to do it. open it open, you know, live you sonya during the home so she knows about yeah. yeah. overseas the music, but i haven't used to walk around with the heads down not to be seen right now we do it aloud. i do think so. i think it's been a major consultation. i think it's fine. the people are proud to be right. whether it's your boss for banking, whether it is your diplomatic relationships, whether the softball leadership is very important for any organization that it's a country, whether it's a company or any pursuit. and i think since independence,

we've had some buckets of strongly in the shipping by and large, we've been confused to. i think this is the 1st time in our history that we have clarity and vision in terms of what you want to achieve. and i think that is very important. the 2nd thing is the kind of leadership is not shy about who we are and i background the nice. we don't apologize for the identity. absolute side all these here is the somehow been reading a western cloak coming towards the side, but pretending to be something they are not me. and when you start opening up an embracing, we why? i think a lot of people respect you more for the exact right. and so that's what i see happening on the 3rd fact that of course is economic success. as soon as you become a market that people want to bid. as opposed to orlando snake chalmers, an elephant and everybody now suddenly wants a piece of us. i mean,

the recent more these situation is a great example of softball. right? and our ability to influence people and, and, and, and the word based on a softball it in a market economy. and it told me that the situation like this, you can tell google that. i don't like you. yeah. yeah, that's to, that's what you did. i did and, and i will continue to what is the issue of the americans? why eventually they do get to that came on, ah, please like they've done with been going be the coal. they've broken all of these up over the years, right. they're very, very active in nature, right? sometimes it's too late. and because of the companies that are creating a monopoly, sometimes it benefits them because they are going on to the monopolies all over the world. so it benefits them to be need to connect these situations with what we are seeing the google app, or to some extent is they have on our log swedes of the internet system to bundling and walk out and pigment off or monopolistic behavior and made it very difficult

for anybody else to pro splitting that equal system. right. so moving itself, if you think about it is really a beneficiary of unbundling. microsoft, microsoft used to bundle that internet explorer browser to which you could access the internet. yeah. what's the operating system in which with their software? well, for the case and broke the bundling off. so they could introduce chrome, which is the browser to which we all now experience the internet. so that themselves, a beneficiary off and be what optimistic action. but ultimately, every company wants to be a monopoly, so i don't blame them as much as i blame governments, particularly in the west, not connecting these situations in time because ultimately entrepreneurship suffers innovation and suffers. customers suffer because they have less choice. what incentive do i have as a monopoly to give you better price, single, better products? because i'm already a monopoly. so i think that's what google has done today. in india,

if you want to run it into the business, you'll pay google 2030 to 40 percent off your revenue as advertising, because that's the only way to access customers. and that's fed, i think, to some degree that's that which was almost tried with us. but now what they're saying is you would also pay anywhere between 15 percent of the 30 percent off field avenue was if you want to be on our app store. wow. so if i'm willing to pay 60 to 70 percent of my revenue to look at, how am i going to? so why is and i think this is a fix that we missed as a company. what did you think about it? i, china did add me handy or heavy monitor or these entities very close and given protection or not even for i won't even say production of please give it a level playing field was domestic companies, right. because the internet under produce a weapon to start just not the media, it's everything, all your data, everything besides you can,

these companies will have to pick it out. so if we have done that, we would have had 5 companies today in search, in email, in social media, which one each me what $100000000.00 to wonder, bring it in addition to the $34.00 companies that you already know that could be transformation for the country these will become global companies and die right. of course, the misstep both and that's fine. but at the same time, i ended, i don't you called at the head of the all these companies as an indian. isn't that great? how do you think in the present situation, we can come through this or we can handle this? i think there's a couple of this one is a more passively which is, you know, ncc has already actually passed a very strong order against google. google is simply not implementing it using clicks of the trade. we should have learned globally and trying to score them out of it. and that's why i said that they will end up being a very heavy brand if you can badly for them because they're playing with the law.

and today's dispensation and government doesn't take that like so. i think since you have come, don't have any of this of the order on that which is competition permission of india. so one is a passive, it already can play by using organization such as c, c. i wouldn't show it. there is no monopolistic behavior in the level playing field is available to everyone and nobody's taking advantage of our ongoing companies. but i was small and medium in the process. right. and that's certainly one the other way is a more actively which the government has already been doing. so if we look at due today, we are the only country your credit cards are struggling because you guys become the preferred mode of payment absolute. i think the companies that we think might have been expressed it's 4 percent from the merchant. it's highlighted already by new prize 3. it would have been kind of a piece of innovation amazing by taking his own nbc, which they're trying to do for e commerce. what they did for being told is our health initiated, which again create common public infrastructure for those to build up on me. we can

do the same thing for that stuff that shift to shop day. yes, i find it very exciting. and now finding that 0 w as an actor, while i'm not acting on being myself, but there are some drama u, p a. this is actually as real as it gets b, c, the richard who comes on stage to pitch. when you see, you have no idea who the pictures you walk on stage, nbc, the farm, the company. but you're right. i mean, you know this better than anybody else. as soon as the camera worked on you. yeah. however, be able to show is that is some drama that comes in because you know, and you have the theme cameras on shop. and so, you know, you become a performer at some level like last to an interest in acting out on an acting school. so i, i have detect a possible act of something that, oh yes, you have done one of the most popular acting schools for the longest time. i felt it was not, you know, a deep down. maybe it was something i cherished or add value for, but you won't be always putting down, growing up, right?

really going to have anybody if you go right, this is all the books i read on it down. absolutely. i remember that when we had all of us had black and black and white television, and then mr. metal, it was sort of by the novel. i was in my next door. you go to the color gate in this week and we're going to deal with it. so we said that he's a cut up man. yeah. you have to justify for yourselves. yeah. all right. and so for the longest be that i was, i wasn't that god at this point in my life, i think i'm really enjoying the role that i play on shop banking. i don't know if i have the patients or the talent, be very honest to be an actor, right. i have experienced what it is, you know, waiting invited events doing it in shock. thank you. have a very different floor. might be a busy to out of the kitchen please is driving. i show them fish like patients. not like that and okay, they yeah, but other than i did. yeah. but i don't have that. i couldn't be sitting waiting for one shot, doing one shot,

and then wrapping up and waiting. that's one. second is i don't think i have the bad code. i think i'm far more effective, given a leading i've known is to continue furthering onto pro shipping this country, building companies. so i think might impact and that so which is as far as each ad, julie ition and the recognition. i'm now getting to shop by the list. that part is inactive because that's one. and i think that's the only part that perhaps is very interesting is an act on the ending for that is you get to play so many different professions and understand so many different facets because you have to do some level of research whenever you please. so i can get it to i think i find the activity compelling one that you would be asking you think a 100 plus a 100 percent and not. and that's a good thing that can happen because you must do something that you think you've got to take you out of your comfort. so yes, i've read somewhere that you are ex pitcher lesson and what is good to other people . you know, we are seen as

a land of believers because we have directly so many gods. what reality historically issue located. we are lando seekers and spirituality, to me is really about seeking. and you know, when you said you are restless, right? but that's, that's what's coming to or as listeners and confusion is the most creative state of affairs. that's why i don't, i have not had a so called traditional holidays. yeah. and all these for the or that i book, i don't think i have gone to some beach in thought of late on the i can do that. i have not done. i can do that myself. yeah. and i find people to that. why do, why are you so restless? why do keep on doing that keeps me well to am. so you're more of an engine than a shock. i'm more do that and sure. i don't know if the phone, those who come and shop thing would agree with you. they think i'm always trying to get the better be would yes,

to answer that question in one word. a split of tried are you seeking? and that is no and seeking. that's right, that's where you can go. all right, it's on. it was a pleasure talking to you on the same here on no problem. thank you so much. wonderful. one, lovely, lovely talking to and thank you for watching. joining me next week for the in dm it yet engaging debate, only on let's stuff out of a minor. if i'm a kid, i'm a scott the russian states. never as i've started as i'm one of the most sense community best. most all sense and up to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

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