house on the muslims was why the celebrating the holiday of adolf. it's as they break that falls to the end of the holy month of ramadan preparations for the event took place on tuesday. and nations from was ongoing. so to across africa, afghanistan and indonesia, locals ready, it's festive tables and those to impress as well. some celebrates on the streets with fireworks displays, millions, ols and lock. indeed, hey, we're in russia on the president's house. congratulations. the country's muslim community. resume parents in phases manic organizations, are helping stresses and the cohesion and ethnic harmony of society. all tease in my age has moved from outside most coast cathedral, most of the focal point into celebrations here in the russian capital. now this day is a big celebration for muslims all over the world, but it's really no surprise that it is also being celebrated in russia. as estimates claim that the most claims make up between 10 to 50 percent of the country's population. now on top of that,

islam is the 2nd largest religion in the country after orthodox christianity. right now we are at the moscow cathedral malls, which is one of the biggest, most in europe. and it was said to a host around 200000 people today. and in general, in moscow and in the most of the region, it was also estimated that between 302350000 people will be celebrated. no scores this most right here is the main venue, but there are also older alternatives in moscow. and the moscow region now, as you would expect, also there's some roads where blocks temporarily blocked and restricted the due to the celebration. but also security was quite tight. i mean there was and there's still is police pretty much everywhere. monitoring the situation, keeping people safe as well. now just to tell you a little bit about the celebration itself, say them further, which literally would translate to the celebration of breaking the fast. it marks

the end, the from a done, which is the holy is month in the saw me calendar where most lives with fast from sunrise to sunset. and so today is the 1st day in a month where they can have meals and water throughout the day. the way they celebrate, typically, is they would, uh, you know, visit family. uh they would go out to a new traditional attire. they would feast throughout the day uh, on, uh, traditional suites, traditional meals. so at this day for most names is very significant. and uh, with that of course, it becomes another working day in most mostly countries, including the most frequent, most number of publics enrol side. that is the start on chechnya. and we should get that that's done. and so on. so overall the celebration is all about smarting new beginnings for muslims, and also be in kind and just having fun, essentially. coming away next,

john carry on care with the latest episode of the west to blow as another thought with more news in about 30 minutes. thanks for watching the yes, the i in february admitted with the release of a report from the bureaus inspector general that it had recruited an informant to infiltrate and to spy on the civil rights group. black lives matter. denver, that informant went so far as to try, unsuccessfully thank goodness, to convince 2 members of black lives matter to assassinate the attorney general of the us state of colorado. was this in forming a whistle blower? of course not. he was a wreck. he was a snitch criminal. but what happens when the width of lower is not the stereotypical truth teller?

after all, was the blowing comes in many forms. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 charles little john has become something of a controversial figure in whistleblower circles. the 38 year old former contractor with the us internal revenue service was recently sentenced to 5 years in a federal prison for leaking. donald trump's tax returns to the new york times and to the investigative journalism website, pro public in 2020 little john also sent the times the tax returns of billionaire, a lawn mosque and others. he said to show that the very rich pay little or no to x is the binding campaign seized on the revelation to portray trump as out of touch with the working man. reasonable people can agree to disagree about whether little john did the right thing or didn't do the right thing. but 2 aspects of this case

stand out. first little john sentence of 5 years stands out as unduly harsh, especially having come from a judge appointed by joe biden. and 2nd, in a sentencing statement, the judge said disingenuously, that little john's actions put american democracy at risk. and she compared him to protesters and writers who took over the capital building on january 6th, 2021, and who tried to overturn the 2020 election? that's absurd, of course, but that's the ugly current political atmosphere in washington. we're very happy to be joined by line on he's a noted media analyst, substantive expert and conversationalist line. oh, thanks so much for being with us. it's good to see it again. indeed. sure, it's great to be a substantive expert and you are a non substantive. that's the problem. that's the problem. there is so much to talk about on this issue. let's start with the case of charles little john. i personally

believe that charles little john is a whistle blower, although at the same time i can actually see why people might disagree with that. so give us your opinion on this case and this little john's motivation matter when determining whether he's a whistle blower. i don't think it matters at all. i'll be honest with you because the, the, it's the action of what you do, not why you did it. and you say the goal is, for example, in law, it doesn't matter why i hit you or why unless it, and the gauge or vitiate shouldn't tent, right? but in this particular case, when you're talking about somebody who goes in any here, here's the problem. we have somebody who works for a government and an e t by virtue of a variety of natural agreements. you're not to divulge information that could affect the operational integrity of the organization. whether it's the post office or the irish or what have you. right? this is nash rational, but let me ask you this. what happens if i work for

a pharmaceutical company or an insurance company? and i find out that, yeah that you, by the way, you have a particular disease or the you were denied somebody because of your sexuality. or somebody, and i think, you know, i think society would benefit and i violate several laws, right. like the vote do it. now it doesn't. and i hate to say this, but this is number one legal, uh, answer it just, it depends. it depends on what these are, but you said, i believe somebody is a whistle blower. let me ask you something, please determine what you bridge between a whistle blower and a snitch, and a rack, or a confidential informant. i mean is, is somebody who, who basically is caught me and says, look, i'll give up my co defendants. if you leave me alone, i don't think that's a whistle blower or is it? i don't, i don't know. it depends upon i think, your culture, your position, yes, and then your your intent. and that's,

that's really part of the debate because in many of these cases, one man's whistle blower is another man's rat. one of the things that we often hear from prosecutors is that they ask for these ridiculously long sentences as a way to frighten. yeah, there are people who may be considering going public with sensitive information that has always struck me as outragious. because 1st of all, there will always be whistle blowers, 2nd whistle blowers are what to help secure democracy, openness, transparency, and 3rd. and i don't mean to sound cynical, but prosecutors get promoted by pushing for the longest sentence as possible. after all, they can't make careers by asking judges to impose short sentences. oh yeah. so what exactly, by the way, but by the same token, you know, when you have people who are public defenders and people who run for office, i knew in florida where i'm from the public defender run for office. how do you run for an office just by the way, if you vote for me,

the person that breaks into your house, unless you're animal like yes, i'm going to do everything in my power to get someone else to vote for me. it was around here. you know, nice, this is a very strange thing, but you know, you, you talk about something um a while back. i'm sure you're aware of this sentencing guidelines came out and the sentencing guidelines this spirit behind it was that we're tired of setting this discrepancy to. i'm, we're tired of judges of finding people different a different levels of sentencing, depending upon where they're from. it's like, no, no, no, no, no, this is the judge who sits in and listens to this case. not somebody, not in alabama. they hold cocaine differently than let's say california. so what happened was we had this ridiculous sentencing guidelines, which i think was one of the worst days possible because it applies this idea that you could put something into a formula and get an answer. but also, i think society, that should be something kind of commentary right here, where we say, wait a minute, the worst possible, the crimes against humanity,

i think, you know, children and murder should get the worst punishment. and somehow, a bogus bitcoin were high are always critical early. i don't understand and so i'm with you. but let me ask you this again. i'm, i'm sorry i'm rolling this because maybe i'm a whistle blower. there's an opening of wine that all prosecutors do and they tell they tell your is during, during for deer or during opening statement. let's say if you're going to try to bust the devil, you don't get angels to help you. they don't know. we don't know what they do unless we enlist somebody from within that circle. so you might call them a right, you may come a whistle blower, but how are we supposed to find her? so i don't know what you think about the notion of the pentagon papers, but without ellsberg would have never heard. never know. how do you think of the julian assigned miss a journalist? not even in my opinion, not even. it was all blower. he's

a journalist. so this is something that we have consisted, we are skits of frederick in terms of how we a portion of respect and admiration for people who are basically as you say, make society run. why don't you brought to my attention a situation in new york city where undocumented workers, who are injured on the job and who then report their companies to authorities for workman's compensation fraud, can get papers from the government to legalize their work status in the united states i had never heard of such a thing until you pointed out, tell our viewers what this is all about. it's called deferred action, and it works like this. a lot of these on scrupulous uh, businesses will take these poor. and i say this sometimes because anybody who's, who comes into this country to benefit their family, i got a piece of the american dream. i understood a 100 percent. ok anyway, but, but they'll come in to work in a work site. let's say it's, it's yours. and you know, you've got this guy from, you know,

finish whaler or something and he's illegal. and you, you, you maybe don't equip him with the best safety equipment, right? maybe you don't really care. she hurts himself. and you say, listen, i tell you, well here's a couple of bucks, go to the hospital, don't tell anybody where you are from because they're going to do it for you. and normally, if it was a regular, a worker, i'd have workmans comp. i'd have to be unions, it'd be all kinds of considerations, better safety consideration. so what they do is they use these people benefit from their hard work and then when they're injured, they threaten that with you for jason or whatever. so now this call the defer and action where a d h s, and others and state labor agencies will actually not only protect these workers, but accelerate in green light a faster application. we just kind of argue that one, but i think in, in, in, in syria make sense because if you're going to benefit from these people working at sub standard late wages, not paying social security,

not enjoying any of the projections you have. you've got to have somebody to help them in india, but they're injured so it does make sense. however, here's the downside, let's say you own a construction company and, and i me, the worker. i'm going to say, guess what, gary are good. i'm going to get hurt within 5 minutes a started. mm hm. oh, i'm heart of hearts, right? where do i pay for? i mean, i got hurt. i just started like i just not pay. so i can see where this could be kind of abuse. where all of a sudden they're dropping things on their face, their attention, you know what i mean. so it sounds terrific, but don't think that the criminal minds can interrupt the, the sagacity of the program. yeah. well, i don't. thank you for these insights. stay right there. when we come back, we're going to ask final about an even more absurd sentence for an even more important list of lower so say to the

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2 welcome back to the whistle, blowers. i'm john 3 onto were speaking with media critic, analyst, and all around well informed guideline all about the different forms that whistle blowing takes line. oh, thanks again for being with us. and indeed, why don't in late january a former c, i a software engineer by the name of joshua schultz, was sentenced to 40 years in prison. after being convicted of sending documents to wiki leeks that have come to be known as volt 7. the c, i a has said that this was the worst breach of classified information in the c i is history. shulty though was adamant that he was not the source of the week. and indeed, there was no direct evidence that he had actually done this prosecutor said that there was no evidence because he was such a computer genius that he was actually even able to cover his electronic tract. and

he was convicted. there is no pool in the federal prison system and so the shortest sentence that he has to serve is 34 years. so it's 40 minus good behavior time 34 years of which at least the 1st 14 years will be in a maximum security penitentiary. shulty was accused of releasing evidence of this. the i is ability to turn smart tvs into microphones so that they could even drop on conversations, even with a tv turned off. he was accused of releasing evidence that the c i is able to take over cars by hacking into the vehicles computer system and then to force the car off the road or off a bridge or into a tree. and there were at least a dozen other programs that he was accused of compromising to me. this fits the bill of whistle blower. what are your thoughts? should we fear people like joshua shulty or should we celebrate them as well? for as far as what you just told me, think about what you just said,

i'm thinking myself we you, you can do and present those guys. you give them an award? yes. that's number one. number to the to see a says this is the worst breach ever did it or heard you pass. did it heard you were there already missions compromise or was it really a breach if i broke into your home but didn't take anything? i mean, technically that's burglary, but don't you to that you be mitigating fact? or what if for example, i said there is a person who is dead, there were, there are no fingerprint, no forensics? no, nothing, no here, no fiber. what we're going to charge you with it can make you a murder. what about the lack of evidence? that's how good you are. you're so self like in your mercury. now you also under federal sentencing, the original pearl under the truth in sentencing act. you have to serve 85 percent . it's right. let me talk to you about that very quickly. do you know what prison guard say? great. take away the incentive. in the old days, in a regular system, when you would have somebody that says, listen, you play your cards, right?

can you g r e work out and maybe save a guards live? we will knock all this time off alerts. i'd be help people learn a trade out there for english. and i said, oh you're saying now you're saying just sit back. and i remember years ago when i was a prosecutor, there was a discussion of should, should we take away weight, lifting and from the prisoners because no, because this gave them something to do. and the guard would say, no, let me go back to what you're saying. for me, the case of michael hastings has made all of a sudden his car just spat out of nowhere. it seems like what was this about and well, we don't know. we're not really sure. and i love when you see, i don't want to get conspiratorial, but that is a bit odd. yeah. all of a sudden you pay for a lot of money for a very expensive car that lo and behold does something that a you go doesn't do. you know, it just doesn't make any sense. but let's go back to what we're talking about here . we need these folks,

remember in the case of julian assigned when they said to him, he said i did. and by the way, i and there is a supreme court case called the bar nikki against viper. and it says, even if you as a journalist, received information that stole it, let's take a showcase information. and when he passed it on, don't know what, what she owes the journalist theoretically, easiest part nicky case except in the case of julian assigned because he said i didn't break any. what do you think they came to me? yeah. but you might have help them. and so here is the question. number one, this is what i want everybody to answer. do you america, or do you not? what individuals who are involved in government agencies and offices to never tell you what your government is doing in violation of some rule. do you want that? so if your government, if there is water in flint, michigan or some radioactive chemical, that's it. do you or do you want to live in

a world? and the answer is, of course no, i want, especially if it helps me. great. now how do you propose to protect people? are we going to have a i submit? and just like we have queen time legislation, which, which allows you to benefit and the proportion of money use that you save by, by alerting the government to fraud. well, that's whistle blowing quick time legislation. people make fortunes of that, right? we ought to have almost a separate bureau or some type of a, of a, of a about a tribunal. that determines yes. the information also, did you try any other methods of letting the country know about this? some people do it out of desperation. some people are not, that's not their 1st move. maybe they want to, uh, a newspapers may maybe, maybe they, they met with people in the agency. listen, boss,

you know this stuff is these a, we're, we're, we're, we have um, you know, toasters that blow up and you know, something that people might want to know. what, what did they do prior to this? is there any, any agency, any, any tribunal that somebody can go to, or at least determine the legitimacy of it? because i don't want to live, i don't know about you. i don't want to live where, where people are this incentive i, it's right from warning me of my impending dev warning me, of, of somebody that, that, that could kill me and my family to having people better know what we're talking about. and you want a new name, whistle blower. how about um you know, uh, you know, make shift journalist. what's a journalist if somebody who reports somebody who's a reporter, right. we need a different name. joyce keller. yes. the member number. there's no such thing of being a whistle blower if it's fake. that's right. it's like, you know,

no label is only liable if it's fate. if it's wrong, if it's false, but yeah, never get just, it's just like a conspiracy theory is always right. and the problem, it's this thing that so these people actually warning us. i've never heard of anybody who was put in prison for a frivolous, unimportant whistle blowing me nothing. you know, when you save the government $0.30 a year on packaging, or, you know, it's always something that's drastic. critical affects people's lives. that's, that's up. so the more time you get in prison, the more important it was for the country to find out about it. think about that. what kind of a message is that? yeah, i think that's exactly right. no. getting back to the notion of long sentences, serving is a deterrence or not serving as a deterrent. i actually find that to be disingenuous. in 1996,

when i was working at the c, i a, i sat next to a woman who was having an affair with a journalist with cnn. in the course of pillow talk, she revealed classified information to him, which he then promptly repeated on the air. the c. i investigated the leak and they immediately found that my coworker was the source. she was not charged with the espionage. she wasn't even fired by the c i a instead, she was suspended without pay for 2 weeks. a strongly worded letter was put in her personnel file and she was not eligible for promotion for one year. that was enough . she never revealed classified information. ever again. what do you think that says about the draconian sentences that we've seen in recent years more than 5 years for reality? winter, for example, more than 4 years for daniel hale. now, 40 years for joshua shopping, what are we supposed to take from all that? and this is interesting because this is not a whistle blower. by the way, there's

a terrible pun that it can be using, but i'm not going to do it because it's a family show. this is not a whistle blower in the classic sense. this is somebody who actually reveals like a, uh, let's use it was a boy, that's a squealer. a reverse racked somebody who was, you know, a veritable trader. i don't know what you would have called somebody who is a government agent who basie them or general patricia is got to do a little. oh yeah. but with somebody perhaps. oh yes. um. uh remember that one that was really forever and already. yeah. and have, you know, why don't you seek? don't you think that somewhere there is some school that they take you do is like the list. here's torture. this is how they want to avoid torture and waterboard we . but when you're in bed with somebody that that's what we're really double down on . imagine the training they go through, just emulate that, just to make it

a real like life fire. anyway, i'm getting off into this. but what happens is think about this message. she's not, what was her self interest? what was the whistle blower says, i'm trying to do something to help society shot up, you know, 80 years. no, you don't understand. kids are needing ground glass, you know, measure ma, 80 years. this one is i'm trying to make time with this guy. i'm just trying to impress him. i'm just, i'm not benefiting anybody. i got a big mouth. it's not like welf crammed it. i'm just, i'm just, yeah, get it up for no reason. this is the worst, this is negligent. it could be if you think about it, treason this, you, so you weren't tortured that shock and i were in a bad a couple of hits a chart named jr. now, what does this tell you? this would be the worst, and by the way,

you know that everybody in her division or our area was say, wow, let's see what imagine what's gonna happen to this one. a letter in her file. yeah . all right, and the files apps a great it is about. yes it is. uh huh. yeah. so. so which i double secret probation. i mean this, this is skid. so frantic. this is the worst. what kind of training the do, do you think i'm and, and also a message? so i think i, i hope that if we can, if anybody you're watching this today as they are, i hope people realize they come away from the sticky stuff. didn't make any sense precisely. exactly. that's exactly the point. well, i want to thank our guests be uncomfortable, lionel, for joining us today and for sharing his insights, we were happy to have you line on. and thanks to our viewers for taking the time to

be with us. charles louie this how come the on the 18th century french judge and philosopher known as month disc, you once said that there is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under the shield of law and in the name of justice. i believe that is exactly what we have seen developed right here in the united states over the past 20 years, and its treatment of whistle blowers. what remains is for the rest of us to fight. as edmund burke, one said, all that tyranny needs to gain a foothold as for good people of good conscience to remain silent. thanks for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers john curiosity of we'll see you next time the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 a a is a lot. it's can be cited by lines. these can be expanded by true

importance of which can never be kind of a station. so that transparency is next for to rejoin mistake. patrice then just succeeded in finding documents that exist state and making them available to the public. i mean, what could be more holding back by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest wants to so mom realized tends to me uh, engulfing endlessly of late to seriously. i know why advice may know who is the guy that illegal anymore. why sweetheart adjustments for, to be on box weighing a 175 used to go through the sentence. all we going to lift that,

stay the portions. and it's quick to dismiss a shell state when from last started accuse it for you. praying and company links to us present them 5 and son of sponsoring terror attacks against russia. plus russia's pre ministry equipment has been destroyed without the last a single american life. this is an investment in united states security force and as far as the secretary held. so what's the polls the shape of ukraine is like wayne bang for the fact that allows us to keep it clean. a republican senator bloss washington for spending way too much on ukraine cause a cold for using tax payers dollars. the type of announcing problems on the phone instead.