it's michael is also found time to cost play, not for the on board that house with his vision of fighting russia. i'm using a lot of sending french troops to pray. and now he sounds like he wants the you to also indulge his fantasies. new appealed with him, we, europeans must do more and must do it foster. and if the us funding is not bad, we, europeans must mobilize and find a new financial solution model. and i'm working on this hand in hand with germany on the aerial view. my call is more like the kid up in his room, mom and dad's staring in the mirror and imagining that he's going to conquer the world when he can barely afford rent. because a just a merch. last month of francis budget deficit rose up to 5.5 percent g d p last year. no, that's the way up from 4.8 percent employees way to which means price is going to have to cut costs as the finance ministers already warrant. not in ukraine though, it sounds like so paint, maybe the french, you just move over there. if france can't get it. so then the under control,

then it's going to get a big spanking from brussels, that even risk being put under russell supervision. so maybe someone who could barely meet their own needs and is having this much trouble really shouldn't be going around lecturing the rest of the world. before we go back to breaking news, this how you can see live images. now on your screen is multiple people have been reported killed in a babbling, attack, a mole in sydney, australia, and gone. the shots were also heard at the scene. there are these on the i the images as we said from the area of what he said the the what to suspect to for besides this one was shot by the police. a minor honda was is on the way for the 2nd. please have called it a quote critical incident. now we know the police climate to give a press conference. i will re bring you an update of that soon. perhaps in the next

uh, this is a developing, so it will bring you all the latest information when we're back at the top of the hour. so we'll see you then the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images present? it is, but can you see through their illusion going on the ground? can the

imagine that you are a hard working, idealistic, young deputy with the u. s. marshal service. you're doing hard dangerous work and you're succeeding at it. you like this where it gets difficult, but you're making a real contribution to the security of the american people. and besides, you enjoy it. you're optimistic about the future. but then much to your surprise, you're passed over for a promotion. you're not chosen for interesting new assignments and then you learn that this is all happening for the simple reason that you just happen to be black. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 dr matthew fog is one of those rare individuals who is utterly relentless,

but that relentlessness comes with incredible patience when he realized that he was a victim of racial discrimination within the federal government. he file a lawsuit. but let's start at the beginning. matthew fog joined the marshal service in 1978 and quickly became a highly decorated officer. he was cross designated as a supervisory special agent in charge of a us drug enforcement administration joint drug and gun introduction task force. he was later promoted to the position of inspector in charge of the marshal service unit for the international criminal police organization. and he receives multiple awards for tracking down more than $300.00 of america's most wanted and most dangerous criminals. as you can see, there was no legitimate reason to pass this man over for promotion or to deny him new assignments. it was all about race. he won that case any one big, but the martial service and by extension, the broader american government didn't make any of the necessary changes to ensure

that this didn't happen again. that racism didn't play a role in personnel decisions. and so matthew led a class action lawsuit that included more than $700.00 current and former black deputy marshals and detention enforcement officers, plus thousands of black applicants who were not hired in the 1st place. that case was stuck in legal limbo for almost 30 years. you heard that right 30 years, the case was dismissed, it was reinstated, and it was expanded over the course of those 3 decades. but lee, last year, matthew and his fellow plaintiffs finally won that case. it wasn't the huge, devastating when that they had hoped for, but it was a win none the less. and it seems that the binding ministration wanted to actually fix the problem. matthew fogg joins us today. matthew, thank you so much for being with us to pleasure to have you as good to be with you

and we jumped out to make some corrections on something. you just say we didn't, when the case case hasn't been one yet, it's just been a proposed settlement, which we're not in agreement with. uh well, that's a much more important point. yeah. okay, so let's, let's get to that. i want to start then back in the mid 19 eighties. you're going gang busters at the marshal service in just 7 short years. you made quite an impressive career for yourself. you. you're highly decorated at that point. what happened to make you think that wait a minute, something's not exactly right here or well, it, it started and what and 85, i found my individual complaint once i got on the mall. sorry, you know, being a black person in coming into an environment such as a command and control environment, law enforcement. i saw the racism across the board of just what do you keep your mouth shut when you open them when you say so, i mean, you see it all, you see it and everything you're doing. so found at some point we had

a particular manager that was targeting it, it's due to african american speak was most likely to succeed and he came up to me and once he did, i answer, i'd put back a lot of people didn't want me to, didn't want to meet this out except it is a little wait till you become the director will go to the top and you'll be okay. but it seems like anybody else up with my son on my door, i'd want somebody to step up to the to them. and step up in and be uh, speak up for them. and if, if the system is wrong, the problem is, and our system is, is a big machine. once you stop speaking out against something that's in a commanding, strong environment, they circle the wagons on you and they try to discredit you. and that's the whole battle. did i begin to fight all the way through to that? i'm one that big lawsuit and 98. finally made it to 12 and 98. garrett came back and found the whole united states mazda. it'd be a race will house down a drum. it's all african american, w as margins ordered them to pay me for me in order to make me a g. s 15,

oregon. to go back and fix the system, but did adjust the bomb it turn around. it took a 10 year before he paid me. they say for that vertical 10 whole years, oh my god, 1008. and to reduce the 10000000 down 230-0000. 0 my god. so it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's a constant battle and a 60 arris on me by withholding all of the taxes and what's, how it is that they took out of the judgement. they stuck in on a slice one and the iris thought i had it and came out to me for 77 more years. got to see my paycheck and everything. when the government popped up later said oaks, we had the money, we didn't realize we had. now my tax to this day is all messed up. so it just like constant battle. and then on top of that, the class action, all the stuff that you look at, the history of this transaction and the number of people that it has affected. and it just blows my mind that nobody on capital hill, you solve them and that is as been written, the time was mess grassley. everybody's spoken out against the the,

the problems in the margins of i got a website up big gets with badges. right behind me you say you're close grades, 97. so it's not like nobody knows by the washington post. cbs news, everybody's done stories on it, but yet no one is fix it and no president is unbelievable. you know, and just listening to that little bit of your story makes me think that that's the same story i've heard at the c i a at the f b, i may say at d o j at the state department, it's the same exact story and you're right to about what the very 1st thing that you said the government is a great, big, slow, lumbering bureaucracy. and they know that they have years, decades that they can use to for you and to ruin you if they have to. that's so true and the problem is, see if we got e o c and got the loss changed where it is,

say, okay, if the government is going to use out tax pay of dollars, the price us then the government should pay us. the price down is out. yes, it dollars we as a complainant? if you truly you got a bomb, a price, a case of discrimination, then the government should pay your legal fees. that's right. them back. that's right. don't say don't at a disadvantage. and then on top of that, the government does a lot of illegal things. the, remember, we gotta understand the governance just, matt is, you're obviously it is that, but i mean, it just is not some type of inanimate object. it's people, a lot of races, individuals who don't believe that pretty much blacks african americans should be in the government or used to be happened. you got a job using that be on the level. and so you've got a lot of people in the app places and always when you got a command, a controlled environment is the same as on the street. model commander is a big it with a badge. and he expects me to treat people badly. and i don't do it,

he can come on right around inside me. and the next day you read the roxy is against me. so i got to do what he wants. and that's the way the system works. i want to hear more about your lawsuit and i'm going to preface this by saying i blew the whistle on the sea ice torture program in december of 2007. and i knew that i had done the right thing. but wouldn't you know, for the very 1st time in my life, the iris audited me in 2008, 2009201011121314 and 15. and i wasn't making any money. but this is one of those mechanisms that they use to beat up the you. so you ended up learning that lawsuit and you want it a little on paper. it looked like you wanted handsomely, but right, that was just the beginning. so you've got this lawsuit on the one hand that you know, it looks like you want it, but then there is a class action suit. on the other hand, can you tell us about how that happened?

are you a part of both suits? yes. what happened was it personally lawsuit i had that started the 85 and network is way all way around the 2008. in the meantime. the same thing is that what's happening to me and of course, to continue wasting the retaliation that continued happening to me. after i filed the other complaint which made new new issues arise. man, so by turns we get the on the zillow problem. this is happens all afternoon monday . so you've got a big case here. you've proven now discrimination. what is before we even what the court. but in 94 we filed, we filed the class action lawsuit number. my individual days was we are running it so yes, there we go. that route in the drink come back in. and you notice on the british going to do is said, do you find us these monster? it'd be a racial, hostile environmental, african american deputies before 1991 and after 1991. yes, i checked both spreads,

so we were, we had a good farm, appraised case, been we got a firm law firm, different law firm steps and it takes the class action, which that's the case as running. now, in the meantime, my personal case ran it. scores day was when he caught it appealing it, but you know, he is in 2008. my name's valley paid me. it was so messed up with what they had done to me and then holding again, holding the what's already holding the payment that they were supposed to get be they don't report it to the our as an iris, things i got money and come up to me for a whole years. oh my just my taxes and my state taxes mess everything up. kept me from getting my drivers license. oh my top being registered. it just so many things that occurred didn't change the difference in the salary that i would have gotten while i was out of work as prophecies. and it was so many things they kept doing it to me that you know, you just gotta say it again. these are individuals that somebody could pick up the

phone just like in your case, somebody says, well, call the iris and tell me the audit this mean that's right. and then you guys know record it. yeah. you can't protect yourself from something like that because you don't have any idea that it happened. right. i want to ask you to about this class action usually when there is a class action suit, there are hundreds, sometimes thousands of victims that yeah, that was the case here. but also the most class action suits the accused is so guilty, and that guilt is so well documented that they try to settle the suit as quickly as possible. we see that all the time with big companies. the government however, responded in exactly the opposite way and they drag this suit out for 30 years. tell us about that. what were the negotiations like over the course of those decades? or is it that there were no negotiations because the government was just trying to stall you the word? no, the be honest. i do the whole time,

the class is going the only thing that made the adjustment room and added to us from a just as that supervisor view as much as it was. the only thing that made them come to the table was the washington post article that came out in $22.00. that basically said that there was a lawsuit and there is possibility that this thing has been going on for 30 years of possibility of maybe going to drown. they can run it to the table and they said, we want to settle. the problem is our attorneys went in and started doing stuff that we didn't want to now. so now do you have a problem between affiliate learning? now we know there's a lot of stuff goes on behind closed or we don't know what's happening. but the bottom line was the amount of money you got 10000 right now, and i'll put the dental up into 22000 individuals claims. and we come up with $15000000.00, which is a joke. i mean, i said that in the washer pro, as i said back down, decline is, get us started at the uncle sam's product to that 5 me the data spread out with 10000 people. you got gift cards at mcdonalds. yeah. so this is,

this is what we're saying. you possibly fighting discrimination even when you're talking about legally fighting these people. it's always something going on. it's out of this thread of this class and cut it down. dr. matthew fogg, stay with us. we're going to take a short commercial break and when we come back we're going to continue our conversation with matthew far about the current situation. that minority employees face in government say to the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world will receive re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with the bill, the end business deals. what does that mean? something living on mag. you have fabulous propaganda. you know

a price here in your i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the the the welcome back to the whistle blowers and john kerry

onto were speaking with united states marshal service whistleblower, matthew, fog about discrimination in the marshal service in the in the broader us government . dr. fod good to have you with us. thanks for staying. thank you. thank you. one of the things that bothers me very much about this case, and there are actually several things that bother me is that it is dragged on for so long it dragged on through the administrations of 5 presidents that is in this rateable to me. why is it that no marshal service director wanted to settle this thing and just make it go away? why didn't word never come down from the white house just as just to settle it? as i think is when you're dealing with racism in the united states department of justice, it's about the premium law enforcement agency in the world. i mean, you get like right behind the bigots with badges dot com that so you can go to my website and read about it. but that was on the front page of the new york post and

1997 that you would have thought the fall out from that. we had congressional hearings, maxine waters and big hearing and address at that time or it code, a black deputy attorney general was a blackbird, the deputy attorney general. and we had these hearings, we laid it all out, and the one white deputy who showed up a big old rap they gave him because he testified against the government because of his black pod now who was sitting next to me at the table. now that man got killed later, somebody ran to stop the room broke his neck. you know we, we very suspicious of that, my god. but the reality of it is that i think when you're dealing with racism in the us department of justice, they wanted to dig in and say of. and the judge said that it much rather courtney, as my attorney said, you telling me you're just brahman doug. it's use it on his e, okay. and he was basically saying, yes, i mean, bottom line is where we all look at all the years. it's taking us to resolve this

matter. so i think what happens is somebody over here in a d o j, they just don't want to be seen as the culprits of the things that they're supposed to be going around the country to go against other police departments and organizations. so i'll be holding them accountable. yeah. can you hold somebody accountable when you, yourself have been found guilty of it in a federal court most of the time there's none of the route most of the time does a settlement and you know, and settlements. they always say we didn't do anything wrong. in my case, more with the drought, we got a judgement. so there is a wrong doing a wrong finding now with a glass faxes. yes, you get people over this thing that we, we don't want to deal with racism. we rather do with anything other than that, accepting the fact that we are agreeing that somehow we are racially wrong. we've done the legal things. now you've got drag note operations going on to the us box who is responsible for around the country and you've got people being shot in the

back. and then after number is big disproportionately locked up. targeted all it is bodies, us motion, drag net operating will stay your locals and the state local. don't do what we do. they don't follow us. what have we, whatever we allow them to get away what they want to do? why do you think that changed your? let me rephrase that. why do you think that has begun to change with at least this proposed settlement? here? i again, i don't see it is changing it. see because the proposed settlement is so low. yes, that is making bark. rita says the my, me to be honest with you, this settlement would set a precedent for anybody who decides to fight the institution in school. and do we have 810000 things or if you have 10000 folks that have a leg discrimination over 30 years, and you want though? 15000000 have them come on?

the same attorney's said back in 2008, when they took a portion of this case a, a case had coincided with this one same us monitors in the federal court. the same attorney said the case was worth 300000000. now we had at that time, 700 people. now today we got 2000 and we dropped down to 15000000 sutton's the matter with that. yes, there is a problem going on behind the curtains. another thing that bothers me about this case is, as you just said, the thousands of plaintiffs involved are offering this, this $15000000.00. at 1st glance, that sounds like a great deal of money. it's not, not at all. here in the united states, the law firms that handle class action suit to take the bulk of the money for their work, their expenses. i'll give you an example. i've been a plaintiff in 3 class action suits in the past year. and my portion of this settlement has been 7 dollars, 20 dollars and a $100.00. what,

what you're talking about here, let's say there are $10000.00 plaintiffs and a $15000000.00 settlement. the. busy law firm at the very least is gonna take $5000000.00. you're talking about a $1000.00 a piece. for each of these, you mentioned that you can't do anything. it's going to be less than the $32.00 for 39 years of discrimination. so why is it, why is it that the plaintiffs attorneys seem to have dropped the ball on this? why the government not? yeah. go ahead. little image of what i, what i think it. and you gotta remember where the e o c were not in federal court. now, this is the e l c. so we is called administratively and we've been in federal court, i think is what have been resolved montalvo at the attorney that the lead attorney that was handling the case for the same law firm. he passed away a couple of years ago. uh when he passed everything changed, right. i think to be now i always wanted with them and i can tell you this. i always told them that we need to take this thing in front of what i was saying as

long, long time ago. but it never happened. and i think what happened was, we thought they thought that maybe the price would get bigger and bigger and everybody would be better off. it didn't turn out to be that way. it turned out to be that it turned out to be the opposite. and it turned out to be where the product gets smaller, right. and, and the distribution is got to be spread out with all of these people, which is absurd. it makes no sense at all. so yeah, i think right now we're in a, we're in a very difficult situation, but we still administratively, if we pull this thing in the front of port is going to be a lot of media behind it. because i believe that at that point now in the world, everybody's thoughts are here. what's been going on and thought that this thing was resolved to find out it was you have had a front row seat for racial discrimination. the marshal service for almost 40 years, has it has anything improved over that period of time understanding that it's a never ending fight? is it at least better than it was?

or is it the, you know, i with jumped. it brought it literally before the general assembly about the same thing about a particular building and one opposite 1. 1 of the legislators asked that same for us. huh. and i looked around us and yeah, things have improved. that's it. the technology and i showed up my camera, i said, god, we were talking about police brutality and all the words i said before, nobody had it on camera, we was beat them down and doing whatever the song. yeah. i said, so that's what it is. people on social media, more people are hearing about this stuff now. yes, that's what's in as far as the attitudes and i'm a job man, i'm telling you, i can tell you here and down up the 40 years, it blows me a way that how this stuff actually you're talking about taking back america is one bath, which yeah, is going backwards, race up that we're talking about here in law enforcement, the police, the lady on the street and everything that was saying, why would it be any different if we're riding bigots with badges working right next

to us? why would i expect them to treat somebody on the street just mean no. you don't stand a chance. i'll be on that street one against one of these bigots with a badge. and that's why i was so glad when that new guy pro set it, we had said it in 97 isn't related, not just to be. they did a comprehensive report on the us martin's or with anybody go to read all about it. and all of this, sabrina storage is one of the law enforcement stories. so that there was a culture in place, a call to really difference. that was really something you would never would have thought would have been in the us department of justice. i regret that we are even having to, to have this conversation in 2024. you know, like so many americans think that this, this nonsense was dispensed with. 40 years ago, and that's just not the case. it's, it's an ongoing fight. it is. and, and, and is so sad because, you know, being

a black person and having see is one thing to say, okay, you know, you, you file a complaint to get it fixed. and you might have a few individuals that all have some, you know, a home, a big, uh, ideas and thoughts. but when you get into a system and you see that the system project itself at all costs good and then it shows me how that's what i tell about command and control environments. once you want to stay in a command and control environment operates. if you come into the system and you happen to have a boss as a racist or whatever years, don't like blacks or whatever. but he's a boss. he's got a lot of power at that point and it does something to oh, you got to just turn, you'll hear the same way that guy put his knee on the neck of the doors fluid. yes . and when it killed him, i guarantee you want him opposite or jumped up. it points him opposite. man, that's too much force and do it more. that is a bad. they would have bought that all the supplement jobs without industry is

really names of these duties without the type of problem that you're dealing with in the whole law enforcement mechanism. dr. matthew fox, thank you for joining us. not too far. one because he was on the side of righteousness and because he was patient, winston churchill, one said that success is not final and failure is not fatal. it is courage to continue that counts. he was right. just ask matthew fog. i want to thank our guests, matthew fogg for joining us. and for the courage and selflessness that he has displayed, threw out his adult life. and thanks to our viewers for joining us for another episode of the whistle blowers, i am john to yahoo and we will see you next time the . 2 the,

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