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politics and also to connect more with the younger audience is also their listeners and sending within a nation constitution. this is what the afternoon is all about, shouting and also demanding world keys and also for them to ask to stop the oppression in any forms in israel. are they going to be the full reporting from jakarta for r t? i seems that bricks is about to get bigger with colombia, expressing its interest in joining the blog as soon as possible. the country is desire to join. brakes was expressed in a joint statement following a meeting between the bazillion president and columbia. and later tomba is not the only country in the southern hemisphere to express interest in joining the ever growing works block with venezuela on his way to becoming a full fledged member as well. earlier. my colleague nick aaron, a spoke to steven, bruised ahead of the african governance and diplomacy program at the south african institute of international affairs. he says,
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countries want to join bricks because of resentment to us and european had germany . the country see something in bricks, they want to join this club. they want to join this place to, to amplify their voices. i don't think any countries are going to join immediately . i think that will be a decision that the heads of state will take towards the end of the year. and we shouldn't forget the full countries joined into having as big last year at the summit's. a couple of countries in the end decided not to join like sergeant tina and saudi arabia has needs a join. no, not joined, but yes, a lot of countries, a few points would be over 40, have expressed interest in joining the blog. and what is it was that special, something about breaks that, that makes it so appealing to countries. i'm looking at a well that is will say that is more equitable bricks has been supports of august efforts to reform the un security council to give developing countries more voice. the world is very different to what it looked like in 1945. i think there is some
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a diety, i think there's common ideology and common interest that that drives the countries to want to be a part of something which seems to be clearly succeeded. i think that's part of the attraction of the countries in the, in the blocks that apply for the info of us dominance of the international system of europe's dominance. and so they have countries that are definitely seeking an alternative and a different way of configuring the world and setting the rules of that well. and how do you think this is going to affect those countries in the world, the viewing devices of bricks with trepidation. i was in south africa last year when the expansion of bricks was announced, and the us in particular, another western powers, we're looking at it quite nervously. i think there's a, there's a lot of negative feeling about it. i don't think it's trying to replace the g 7. know the g 20. all of these blocks exist probably exist,
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but i think there will be perhaps discouragement of some countries that might have wanted to join. they may be some of the being, but i don't think really the west is going to be able to do anything about breaks expanding because it's the free will of these countries. the russian indian ties are blossoming across many fronts, including filmmaking. an indian crew is in moscow district seems for its film, which is due to come out. the september, our correspondence visited the shooting location in central moscow, a with a high and the scenes of a film that spring partly short tape in moscow. this is a hollywood production, and if you've ever heard of connie would leave and it's huge. it's like bully would, but it's from south india and the film we're all of these trucks behind me here just for it is living up to its name already look racist a full time. the
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reason i was is that, so i'm being watched 10 millions of times. the reason this guy v j who's the biggest access in indian, sitting them all the director is been cut, cut off. and he's also a huge tool. he told me most go is playing a starring role in the film multiple plays a very important part in the film. and so with the per diagnosis of the some of those under major uh, you know, uh, general events and ready to realizes a lot of things and stuff happens here in moscow. so i wanted a very new plays which most of the indian audiences have not seen before. so that's why i chose because every se, bollywood phones they've come have proof of few movies that shocked you. but if you go south of india,
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not lot of films of being shot in moscow or anywhere. and i shift this, she says, is this don't have much more collaboration between russia and india culturally? i think it's about time. i think a lot of collaborations will happen because we have a russian culture, the same thing. share name with them from you know, the, so there are lot of indian kids wants to learn russian and the language and the culture and stuff and that it is a so, so it's, it's always that it is always being that and uh, i think i think from know on, i think slowly. um it'd be better to i used a bit better collaborations and, you know, go to collaborations and collaborations in films, movies and detain when i think it will all happen now. i think it's, it's, i think we've just started it and um, i'm sure it is a go to go along with. i just want to give you a sneak peak of so many. now behind the scenes are based in sequence taking place
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here in moscow. this is going to be one of the main parts of the movie. so many is due to wrap up shortly and the film is going to be out in september. it's going to be translated into several languages, including english. and i don't know about you, but i am ready to book my tickets right now. so let's even steam of for thing for aussie inlaw skin. do stay with us up next on our part one of our ministers survey line problems interview with russian media by the gosh busy. well, just tell some question concerns. no tony though swap for us in here. but tell us citizens as well every day and we hear from the west that they will not stop until the rushes to fit it strategically. every day, these threats become more terrible, smell, terry fine. recently the commander of these tony non forces announced that they were destroyed to russian cities if something were to happen,
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or if it's the case economist rejoice over the sags that you green had to punch the created a drove the bomb side beer in cities, johnson and all the say that if they did not reach victory on the battlefield, the abbey costs are due on the west side of germany. which means that you will be a dispute from the home west and it's common to so all of which resembles in a beat me, i don't know what it's like so experience nuclear weapons or to be more. and i pray that i know well, but what do you think about the prospects of what is going to happen and don't want to use secure research there? so i think that all this talk about inflicting defeat on russia and focusing on the existential meaning of this for the future of the west, is not so much a sign of their militant attitude, but of agony and hysteria. you, quoted johnson who said, if we allow russian to win, it will be the end of our head gemini. this can basically be used by the international court of justice as confession of guilt, and
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a case about violating the un main principles, the solver and the quality of states. and the court has to pay attention to that. and there are many statements made in the same tone, if they lose their influence. russia is going to work with china. iran, north korea, syria, to remodel this world. this is not self confidence. on the contrary, and this reflects their understanding. they call it their battle to preserve their gemini, but in fact, we're speaking about the formation of a new multi polar world order. and this to him is being used very often to so if somebody is tired eventually, we can use other terms, e quote, just to the democratic world order, where everyone will act based on the principle that i mentioned to be ation. whether you and charter talks about the solver and the quality of states. there is that fear of losing a gemini, but there is also the fact that they are very honest. and maybe they do not even
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notice it. but they make it clear that the us is the master, and they all bands to it. i mean go on to nato's deputy secretary general. he is from romania and he said just 10 days ago that the world starts, the era of harsh competition between the west on the one hand and russia and china on the other, russia and china and all the rest, take different actions to undermine american power. and not the power of nato, not the power of the west, but that of america. and that is why, according to this deputy secretary general from romania, the us needs it's your pin allies. this is the meaning of nato's existence, presented by one of its main spokesman and representatives. there are many such statements. but if we're speaking about confessions, johnson says that they're going to lose their head. gemini burrell says that there
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is a blooming garden surrounded by a jungle. you recently said something. maybe he was disappointed or maybe nervous, but he said, we are not fighting for ukraine. we're fighting for us. we're fighting against the rush. i mean, not for ukraine, but against russia. there are many such statements. well, estonia is threatening to destroy a leg by calls we to buried under rocks or something like that because it has already been commented on. we cannot seriously talk about this. well, my call is very far from us. tony mooney, well they say they have new drones. if this they keep bragging these phones. but the stoney allowed the, unless the way any of them are on the forefront of those who threaten us and keeps saying that they will send troops, wage war and so on. sure, this shows that there was an evolution of nato before, and the decisive rule was given to the united states, of course, but also to europe's most important countries. and now states like poland,
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baltic countries, the czech republic, from bulgaria under its current government and others, set the tone. so the major european countries have to go along shoes. like for instance, president mack krohn nervously talked about sending french troops. but then other people saying that he was not understood correctly. and after that, he again says that he was understood correctly, which is there is information that military instructors are already working. there may be some other representatives of the european military or other security services, then disregard our track is very simple. you didn't want to negotiate. honestly, we presented a treaty on european security in 2008, 2009. when we proposed one simple thing, for instance, and assemble in 1999, you stated that security is indivisible and countries are free to choose their alliances. but they cannot do it if they strengthen their own security at the
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expense of others. and it was stated directly and all the participants like o i, c e presidents and prime ministers who signed the documents at the top level because she agreeing that no country or alliance and the always see was going to dominate. that was 1999. since then, nato has continued with its dominance track, and we said that it was a political declaration with political commitments signed by presidents and not some 3rd secretaries from embassies. and we said that if you cannot fulfill your commitments, maybe we could codify it, codified this declaration with the same provisions. so we would have a treaty on european security and that would be legally binding. but they said no c, i legally binding security guarantees can be obtained only in the you know, the most. but what about the always c e o you signed it? and so you said that no one is going to dominate, and they answered that. it was just a political statement. and then they said that need those non expansion was just
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and for all statements the same within nato, rochelle founding acts of those. yes, it was done and writing, they sent him, but it's not a legally binding documents because we were very painful. and so it's the president said many times, not for a long time. he forced himself to preserve some kind of trust, hoping that something would happen if the west comes to his senses and starts acting in a reasonable and polite way. but none of that has happened in 2000 a 2009. they withdrew from the treating, refused to discuss it with us. there was one treated with nato and another one in a context of the o. c. it was a legal agreement and in 2021 to the end of the year. after a meeting at the for administrator, president fulton proposed to prepare a treaty that would be a modern and treaty based on modern realities. but they refused to even discuss x to i was one of those 2 parts and that process there was
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a delegation that consisted of deputies from different agencies. and then i met with blinking in january 10th or 11th in geneva, excuse me. and he said, there can be no obligations as far as nato's non expansion is concerned. so well, the americans withdrew from the i n f treaty. when you were disappointed, even though we withdrew because you had already violated it, i reminded him that when they withdrew, we said okay, if you think that this is the only way out for you, go ahead. but we introduced a moratorium and we propose that the americans introduced their own and more tory and president clinton's initiative told us explicitly, if you suspect that now risk unders deployed in the region of color in grad still carry the mid range missiles that are prohibited by this treaty, you are welcome to come and see and verify, but in return we also want to be able to visit your air defense basis in poland and
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romania, equipped with the systems whose manufacturer issue lockheed martin clearly says that they can be used both for conventional and mid range grounds to air ballistic missiles that were bands by the stream. while these air defense spaces, with this equipment were deployed there while the treaty was still in force. and the us said no, so we made an honest proposal. please come and check if you suspect us of anything and we will go and see whether what lockheed martin says is true. they refused to do that. i approached mister blinking with our comprehensive proposal. i said you're concerned with the critical situation around ukraine. that is essentially created by your efforts. but he said no, nato was not up for discussion. regarding that proposal of yours you made before about the mid range missiles. maybe we could look into it and agree, and that these missiles, since they're not prohibited by the treaty anymore,
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so they could be placed, for instance, in ukraine. and we will be willing to limit the number of such missiles in ukraine or cube. well, i don't even know what else i need to explain on the subject of why the special military operation became inevitable. ukraine had a hard core, new nazi regime and power the band. all things russians in the west was pumping it with weapons. we considered it a direct threat to our security and our traditions and our legitimate interests as well. i couldn't make my answer any shorter than that, but you will not actually right while we're on the subject of ukraine, this surely a top priority topics. and here's what i would like to ask, so they keep saying quite openly that they want to destroy us. they cannot accept our country the way it is. use this. i have to hand it to them so that they don't try to hide it. they've taken all those steps that you've just mentioned, whereas russia and this is what i find hard to understand. we keep saying that we are ready to negotiate and go, are we going to negotiate with again,
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even if hypothetically, we weren't going to have negotiations. they are going to just lie to us the very next day. so one question is why negotiate with people that do not keep their word? and another question, speaking about ukraine, what is our goal there? when we speak about negotiations, we keep saying that we will achieve all our goals. those mentioned at the very beginning did not certification demilitarization for as long as the same authority stay in power or some other authorities of the same type. we will not be able to reach those objectives. here, mark has been included in the top 100 list, the most prominent politicians, wells, the lensky has not. while it doesn't make much of a difference. so i'm say you had a mock is still in charge of all these processes. but with these people in power, we cannot accomplish our objectives. who do we want to see there? what should it be like? well, i kind of give a short answer to that either. first of all, what are the objectives and why and on what conditions are we ready to have negotiations? firstly, as our presidents keep saying,
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we always prefer negotiations to fighting a war. and yes, we have had this experience when the ukrainians realized they went too far. bombing done basses and using direct methods of genocide against the russians on their own, as they call its territory. and proposed to have negotiations, 2 or 3 weeks after the beginning of the special military operation, we agreed to right away. there were several rounds of negotiations which is well known and bell arose then online. after that, we went to assembled where the ukrainians presented their initial proposals. after a discussion these proposals were accepted. they included a commitments of to cancel the laws that discriminated ethnic minorities. first of all russians. and to cancel their support for the movements glorifying and promoting the nazi ideology that were condemned to by the nuremberg trials. as for the territorial aspects of a couple of days ago, for an affairs magazine published
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a piece about that negotiation. but it's clearly an attempt to try and justify what the west did. let me explain for an affairs said the us and u. k. really told zalinski not to sign the deal, but they did it allegedly not because they wanted to continue their proxy work in ukraine and put a strain on the russian federation and to eliminate innocent russian civilians. but because they were concerned for that once they saw that the proposal was included with the creation of a guarantor group for ukraine security that included russia, china, and the west. and the reason for their concern is truly amazing. so they said, well, we can sign it. but what have disagreement does not stand for somebody attacks ukraine, maybe russia attacks ukraine. and in this case, as guarantors for ukraine, we would have to fight a war with russia. but this isn't something we want to wait until you see this is a very sophisticated logic to figure out. first of all,
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the suggestion was to have the 5 nations, as well as germany and turkey, a act as guarantors of this agreement. if you happen to be a guarantor, a state or you're invited to be one, and you're thinking if another guarantee or a state violates that agreements, then i would have to engage in a war against that guarantor nation. it means they think everyone is just like them violating agreements or something they do easily and they take it for granted that such agreements can be violated by some other party. just like the agreement of february 2014 was violated. the very next morning, after it signs and what a square entity by france and germany and poland. and they did the same with the men's agreements as was proud legal knowledge by chancellor merkel, president alons and for a shank go himself. and this is an interesting observation whenever they calculate well scheming against us and try to anticipate our potential response. we try to think of how we would react and while applying their own mentality and logic. but
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speaking of their mentality, recently a famous us political scientist, a pissed co boss, voice some serious criticism of the west and middle in terms of pragmatism. and some practical aspects mentioning sanctions for one sanctions are normally imposed in order to change someone's behavior. and if you really understand how that party will respond, the west however, applies more and more sanctions in a totally mindless manner without giving a thought as to what the outcome might be. and the outcome was obvious from day one, even before the beginning of the special military operation after crimea related sanctions were introduced. and a number of other sections, the outcome was obvious. we pulled ourselves together and i hope we can do an even better job. there is more we can do as our president mentioned on multiple occasions. so we pulled ourselves together things and decided that we will not just
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depends on the west in any area where they can try to restrict our development. and i hope in all other areas as well. now, they probably claim they got rid of the russian gas. but in fact, exports has been growing to many countries, including france and literally push literally recently happily reported that they planned to reduce the share of russian gas and their consumption from 90 percent to 0. within 3 years german chancellor sholtes did the same, presents and good as a victory to his voters, saying germany has dramatically reduced independence on russian energy resources and will soon be could completely independent. but nobody mentions the price they're paying for this, or how much their expenses have grown to provide for the population of the population. however, it sees the effects i showed it was a great mistake as the episcopal success. and so to miscalculate the russian responsive because they failed to realize that sanctions can only be efficiency if the sanction party is ready to change his behavior in order for the sanctions to be
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lifted. and if the sanction party declares outright that is not going to change his behavior, there is no point to proceed with the policy, but that is exactly the policy pursued by our counterparts of use. now, returning to the question about negotiations, i wanted to emphasize a very interesting points and they failed to realize that if we're place in a situation where we can be strategically defeated, murphy destroyed, in fact, as a global stakeholder. and they've failed to realize that this isn't something we wouldn't be scared by. they would have been scared if somebody antagonize them with the same fury, a band and, and capacity still exists in the global economy. however, this only solidified, as i suggest, that they draw conclusions from this less than of history. and if the past 250 years were insufficient for them. as for the talks, we haven't discussed it yet. but i hope i will not be criticized for this. sure. what were the guarantees and stipulated in the symbol agreements?
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the guarantees were very simple. so we were ready to appease the wish of the ukrainian delegation to make these guarantees on our most serious end. the benchmark of seriousness was particle 5 of the washington treating that established the north atlantic treaty organization. and it was not reproduced word for word. the wording was difference, but very serious security guarantees were outlined. and it was specifically noted that the security guarantees did not cover crimea and dumbass which effectively men so that they were not to be touched. otherwise, no guarantees would apply. it was also stipulated in this dark dimensions that ukraine would not cause any for and military faces. that is as far as the militarization is concerned. so if there were also provisions as let them or pretend mentioned during his meeting with african delegations last summer in st. petersburg regarding the number of weapons and personnel deployed. and it was also said that ukraine would not conduct the military drills involving their armed
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forces of 3rd countries. except for cases when all the guarantor states agree, including russia and china. that was it. and we were prepared to commit to that. but it was said, of course, that the negotiations will continue on other aspects. but the hostility is what stop pushing into this security guarantees would apply to racism. neo nazi and discriminatory laws would be a ball list in ukraine. and then when all of these aspects word read of monitor, suddenly negotiators from care of approach does the say they wish to make some minor amendments. for instance, as for the band to hold military exercises with 3rd forces. except for the cases, one, all the guarantor states, the great they said, let us replace this part with a quote when the majority of guarantors agreed to this, that was the 1st warning call indicating that either they had been banned from doing this overnight. or they decided to mess with us russians
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a little bit longer. and that was just to give you one example. and at the present stage, we have always maintained the russian presidents and me and spokes person to meet your pest golf. and there's no one asks if russia was ready for negotiations, that the president of you praying with band himself, from having talks with us. and clinton said once, when asked this question that he needs to at least the ball, if that decree as the 1st steps, and then we simply don't have any trust in them. this is an important points to emphasize. we try to make ourselves trust them for a long time, but it was all in vain. and we said, unlike the inside bull process, we would not pause hostilities for the period of the talks. the process must continue. and secondly, the realities on the ground have changed and drastically fundamentally, and they are to be taken into account by realities on the ground. i mean, not only the position of troops and the line of contacts of light also mean amendments to rush this constitution in view of adding for new,
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but also old regions for of russia's original territories. this is what everyone needs to understand, and it is crystal clear that they are not only failing to recognize this fact. they're not even ready to look for potential compromises. that is the lensky formula. useful to meet him with no alternatives and the list goes on and on with the the, the the, [000:00:00;00]
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