rhodes with britain and the u. s. bombing yemen in iraq and us proxies, wyoming, syria, and palestine, i'm 11 and expressing defends is never be more difficult. i mean, it stay declining american empire. joining us ons of wiki leaks tortured in britain, is perhaps never be more emblematic of the savagery of a dying hedge them on. and i guess today assuming the former boss of the c, i a over him since the 7th of october, a john list, all media worker is being killed every 2 days in the gaza genocide alone. and israel is even kidding, po, it's charles lost as an award winning foreign correspondents. these come and conflict in palestine, lebanon, syria, iraq, to somalia, and every trainer in western europe. his, they just broke his soul. just don't go mad about poets and he joins me now from florence initially. jobs good to see you again. obviously this being so much kidding and gaza just this week. well, i guess initially and then west and you are a bit talking about retaliation against iran and a poet in guys,

a refund. that area was killed in december of just before we go into the events of this week and world war 3 arguably, uh, tell me about soldiers go, go mad, reflect wasn't a soldier, but in world war one soldier as well. but many soldiers were probably, it was a very well educated generation, particularly among the office class. they were raised on sheets kicks, and shelley and other famous british powers, shakespeare a milson. they could quote the metal legs. i'm particularly a product like rubber grays, or stickers assume or wilford all or all of them were officers and british army in the war and all of them suffered something called shell shock, which we now call post traumatic stress disorder. my book is really about the fact that the war had on those men who were treated in a particular mental hospital called to craig lockhart or austin for officers where

seek for existing met. well, should no one come together, they improve each other's poetry and also help each other to mental recovery is an exhaustive book about that when we now cool p. s d. but do you think wilford owens? assume they're being read? why you say the british ambassador to the un let alone linda told me, is greenfield of the u. s. when they refused to veto that? sorry, they've veto resolution. cease fire resolutions at the un security council because i don't know what you've been thinking as you've been promoting the book, perhaps, as well as we hear the what a 100000 perhaps killed or wounded? mostly women and children, not soldiers in the gaza strip. or i don't know what different match reading these days, certainly in the past they wouldn't read so. so now live in m graves, the soonest potentially relevant here. because he was urging

a diplomatic resolution of the 1st floor more much as people are urging on an end to the solar and goes through negotiations in diplomacy rather than continue blushes. he wrote a protest about the war and he felt that the british war aims for distributors that they were really fighting for imperial gain to france was fighting to take parts of germany that um the german structured in the world. they keep 70 and it and then they, they were not really defending freedom, but they were actually killing young men like systems, entire generation in order to achieve their internal mystic paints. it would be worth reading that protest today, i think because that was wise to assume was sent to a mental what rather than court martian to put the war on trial suit was a very prominent a co, it's in a very prominent person from a very distinguished background of the central mental still not much of the soviet

union used to send people to mental hospitals if they were just, it was a decent or an effect of political president. yeah, i mean, the psychiatric cases, rather than to the us, i saw, you know, the, one of the 1st things done in ukraine after the 24 team go was a band russian poetry. they took down the, i think more than 30 statues of pushkin. uh, what was it like and listed here? what was your view of how, regardless of your view on uh, what was happening as regards uh, the conflict in your why it was that nato power has back to i mean renaming a push can park. obviously, just a epsky was payments to be banned. russian soprano and editor bank are banned in the usa from the met conductors. valerie, go give this relationship between ok so important. so frightening to the nato nations that they need to bend poetry and poets. this is the song that it's not unusual in war for people to overreact and to take out against

a culture of what is really a political issue in the united states. during the 1st floor war. drawing restaurants were attacked german for lynched. the german language was effectively bad. united states used to have thousands of german newspapers which were shut down or, or how to convert to english. german was after english. the 2nd most spoken language in the country. this is not useful in more time for people to forget that despite your differences, uh culture in united states have the credit card hospital for example. they never stopped playing german composers in the, in the saturday concept. because they felt that it was right to spectrum and culture, even though they were fighting enrollment. and except tchaikovsky, i understand the contents of his time being banned in nato countries. and you know,

ts eliot is a being ready and most go no, no problem. i mean, do you think the internet, global, south, bunch of whom supports a new world order, arguably, and believes there is world war 3 going on, whether it be green, whether it be gaza, that the war has already begun, and they're allowing poetry and not to continue but it's not happening in native nations. you think? we'll do a 3 hasn't begun. you know, i don't think it will work for you just because it had the gun. we don't be dead there be nuclear weapons and destroying the entire plants. no, i don't. we're freeze, i think that there are differences. russia has in the ukraine. people don't like that. they don't like it just as we do just just as people do people in wisdom, your opinion. right, right. yeah, yeah. the stance the, the, the, the issue is not to do team and eyes the other just because you have a conflict with and, and that to me it should be universal. it's not right to talk,

kosky should be banned or that a whole should have been banned. or any, any of the german language newspapers should have been banned for the 1st week or just that's just not right for me. i believe in freedom speech, i believed and respecting the cultures of others. but we can still have opinions about the justice or injustice of invading over time. some would say that, that cultural uh accompany meant as it were, is as one with the way i circled mainstream media where you are in italy, in western europe. and the united states is never being so bad when it comes to the genocide in guys, or what have you felt about the reporting of uh well, i remember there was a, there was a, there was an interesting piece of the understand the intercept which is a very good website about a memo of the new york times, instructing people not to use the word mastic for when it's a report,

but they're not allowed to use the words each other sides. the. there's a memo tool, employees of the new york times. they don't use the word genocide, occupied territory or even palestine. yes. and obviously that's just not right. you can't, you can't tell you reporters what to what out of how to frame their record. i think the, you know, you know, times is over sensitive to, to this issue they've done some, some of the recording has been as much of it has been this. it varies from florida to reporter and day to day. but overall is the editorial policy is to favor one side or the other than that. that's all you have to be fair and objective. and she both sides the same there. for the most part, they're not doing, not just the docs. i need to speak with that said some john was and i and you know this one was either charlie or the b. c. yeah, i do apologize for his reporting to the bbc jeremy bowen. some years ago,

he's been here for 40 years in 1st grade in fair just just as least you said, just as paul adams has because he's been very good. jason burke at the guardian of goods are also very good. i die through the to differ about some of those reporters . but you know, you're a fan of chomsky you uh and i the i'm friend of no. yeah, i mean it will be on this show and the whole point of the jump ski model is you don't have to send memos from management to john list because there's a kind of censorship by default that goes on. that's the trunk model. what do you make of the fact that so explicit the come on, does it what a journalist have you ever seen anything like that? i didn't in places right. what i never received. i see that. no, i mean, it's unusual and maybe you know, times of just gone overboard because they've probably had a lot of complaints about some of the reporting which wasn't pro, is really and yet if you see the demonstrations in the united states,

the poor poll numbers and important voting books, i had one of them is election. i don't think we've ever seen such profile as 9 movements in the united states. what do you, what do you make of the fact of what was once considered anti semitic age as a board, even the 2 state solution that the ones that solution has got so much traction in the united states, which is traditionally mean is a pro justice in the middle east, as probably the balls have for many years shown that the american public has favored an independent artist in each state. i mean, consistently for years, but the, the, that doesn't mean it would be ex officer, the congress, or to the white house. the, the public, this is as long favored a solution solution, preferably a 2 state solution to end this function with bloodshot and now it so green, so, so on. do some over 30000 people, men, women, and children killed and,

and probably 3 or 4 times that number, severely wounded. and you see this can't go on and somebody is dr. stopped, you know, responsible material power overall power would have stepped in a long time ago. just saying this is, this is enough, enough software has been calls, it's going to be could it could lead to a regional conflict, a serious regional conflict in which american interest would be severely threatening. and it's time to put a stop to it in the public knows, but the leadership isn't, isn't following over. i mean, you being critical of it like a matter of solar diversity as regards to the palestine restroom because, you know, in the past few months really is it, the chinese broke into the deal between saudi arabia and iran. how important is that going to be in the coming week? perhaps if one believes the, uh, somebody, it's a hysterical headlines in

a lot of mainstream easier. so golden western europe that there has to be retaliation from is relatively the kind of re retaliation for the rating and response to the bombing of their consumers in damascus. i think i think it's worth comparing the error reaction to the october 1973 war when egypt and syria went to war with israel in order to regain the territories that they had lost in 1967. and that time, saudi arabia led the way to have an arrow oil boycott on the west disabilities. and that helped to bring an end to that word for it fairly quick. and, and different matter talks, it showed he had a bad time to go to boston state. this time where the cubic is much worse and, and the palestinians, suffering much, much worse. the architects have not enacted an oil embargo on any one. they haven't done anything except pay a bit of lip service to the policy and cause in order to placate their own

populations, who are outraged by what's happening. and they've done basically nothing they haven't ever experienced that have given back the issues with this. you haven't given them separately, it's their, their reaction the, i'll send you, i just cannot rely on their products. any way to care. i think it's a bit like we used to say about the towards a towards have no friends, but the amount of housing is only about josh, i'll stop you. the more from the award winning foreign correspondent and author, a soldiers don't go mad after this break. the when the world's largest democracy folks, the rest of the planet watches in emerging multi polar world, india's voice matters. what, who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the

dns of the new jews. because as been choose for many centuries, the way that they made best acute did once bullshit games oppressed and nobody can know, it seems that the bodies spoke you by the same the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the award winning foreign correspondent, an older a soldiers don't go mad. charles, last jobs we were talking about the response in this region in west asia to the terrible events and in gaza. i suppose both of us would love it if i could talk to you right now. and then another book that'd be julie and assigns, giving is a diagnosis of geo politics. at the moment, as russia,

china breaks get closer and yet in nato countries, the talk is continually of continuing war in europe. no negotiations. and there are no negotiations on the table as such as regards gaza. do you think us on just becoming more more emblematic is case of a press, freedom and secrecy i saw just as a victim of those who want to conceal crime. ready christ i, d, he's being punished for having made available documents that were released to him by whistle was from within the establishment that prove the united states in particular and committed work. and he's, he's being punished for that. and he not only being punished for that. and also being used as an example to others so that they don't do the same thing. if julia

were free now and when he leaves for up and running, we would know a lot more about us policy on god. so we would know a lot more about what these raiders are planning dollars that we would know much more about plans for the united states to deal with the wrong. um, but julian isn't cable, so function ease, he's locked up for 23 hours a day in a cell allowed out one hour a day and it can find enclosed space for exercise. barely have it has enough to eat the budget. don't wash, maximum security. prison is $2.00 a day for food. he's. he's suffering a great deal. he does have, he still doesn't know his ultimately, he will be sent to united states to spend the rest of his life. and even worse confinement and american maximum security prison and his life, his life is hell and we're, we're actually homeless. the public are suffering electric knowledge because he's

not there because when he leaks isn't functioning, because we're not able to find out many of the state secrets that we use to have access to say about one. you mentioned all these journalist. i don't hear them talking about designs. you went to visit him. i understand. i haven't seen him since our interviews. people can watch them on a rumble channel from inside the ecuadorian embassy during a political asylum of what was it like for you personally uh, to see him in that states. uh, i mean, i think last time i saw you, we were maybe he was free. uh, giving press conferences at the front 9 club which even that kind of turned against him. people. i remember telling me he's a sort of traitor. he's not really a journalist. he's a, i'm not sure what they told him, a rush or an asset. who knows what they smidge him with so many, many, many journalists turn had turned against junior, including editors of newspapers and others. the other slight,

patrick cockburn will make tom killed or stop by and have come to the surface and their defense of him. and that is right above the there's division in, in the drawing, mr. community on. however, now that it's so close to his ex producers, potential explanation or major newspapers in the states of the reports without borders and other other journal district organization. the national union journalist in britain has come to his dispatch and say, you should not be punished. and what was it like for you going there? the maximum security prison in london in december? well, i have seen, i hadn't seen him since he'd been put in. don't wash for 5 years previously. and i as he doesn't look the same, used to simply pay. he hasn't seen the stone. indeed it hasn't. it's any sunlight at all. and yes, he's lost weight because he doesn't have enough to eat she's week. um, what is it?

he's alert, his mind is still functioning. he's a sharp as ever he's aware of what's going on in the world. so he, he still is engaging and, and funny because he always walks our rate children very highly is one of the bravest and i have never been in my life. and he still is that right now the united states, of course, gave an insurance this week. they won't kill him. why you suing the heads of the c i a has regardless of not, i've not seen him swing a former, not meet with the 22 lawyers and one other journalist and i are joining the suing the former head of the c. i might on page 4 in 2000, 17 and 18. he's dropping on our conversations with jordan, taking our cellphones and taking all the information or cell phones and quitting spyware optional, which, which,

because we are american citizens and because molar client conversations are pretty much, oh, we are under the 4th amendment united states doing mike compel and hope to see i of that time. and yes, of course the us making this assurance. they don't want to kill him when bumpo clearly said he wants to kill him and every time we know said drone bottom, him understand a friend of a mile clooney was actually on the wiki leaks team bizarrely. i don't think she defends really amazons. now in these bizarre cool proceedings going through the, what did you think of these assurances from the by to ministration that they wouldn't kill julian or somebody, the 1st of all who was proposing an extra traditional assassination? not, it's not that he should be execute, which the execution was us mentions are also to leave. we have a new condition which is due,

the british court has said they will not be true and cannot be actually united states is eastern, as i suggest that because that's illegal in britain and interest and in the rest of your so the us has had to give that a shot. they have not met only assurances at the courthouse because also asked that he received the same protections on the 1st and then the 3rd american citizen received and the u. s. president. give that sure. it is said that that would be up to the us quotes, so it is important, but as for in a very difficult position, i think they want to actually document order to please nice days. but the us is, has not met the conditions of the course yet. so i think you is appeal will probably go through and it may, it may turn out that you won't be extra. that's not expedited. that's what we will hold. because i understand they call and give the 1st amendment rights because of the guantanamo georgia can, which is still in operation. and the british quotes, though, are they really in a difficult position, may have explicit

a documentation explaining of assassination attempts were planning against a junior decides, but we need more time. okay, so there's nothing to the 1st event tonight that's that's something else. i understand the law as the for those people tried to get 1st amendment rights for captives that um the how i might, i mean, i mean clearly, i mean i'm, what's your not doing? would you give the issue or not? right. they couldn't give any can any. in any case, the court is in a difficult position in britain. if it wants to please the united states, which the british invariably tried to do, but also conform commercial and british law right now does not receive the assurances disaster. and so they may not be able to extra document name or allow for is for the repeal to go ahead. this, of course, after the judge in the british court said, all the other stuff about the like, interest, all the other stuff about,

about the assassination attempt allegations. you see global, you might want to tell us and remind us about that. all you relevant to the expedition request only torture claims by you and robert to neil's mailed service being on this row. what did you think of the fact goal of that is judge irrelevant? well, that's why i'm saying they're trying to please united states, you know, and you have, the honest needs isn't making it easy for them because they haven't given whole insurance is that the court has asked for and what did you make it affect the weekend as low as didn't apply for bail where they didn't initially, but the, the court and the court at the very beginning. when wouldn't brad remember you had to search 50 weeks for origin, his original bail job. and then after that they wanted him to be released on bail. but because he jumped down the 1st time the court wouldn't print. so i mean, can you see that in the global set of people are looking at this and thinking, why would you expect court systems in britain which is being a party to torture?

i think only this week, the case on abu ghraib has being talked about and policies that needs to the invasion of iraq. the united states, which has of georgia, can be in guantanamo where we know of black sites and so on. and the idea that they don't kill people who wonder exercise 1st amendment rights is on surprising. what is this major poncas quotes mean? united states that by non world press freedom days united states is dedicated to press free a minor accident. and at the same time he's, he's making sure we're doing this on just kept in a maximum security prison in britain waiting extradition to a maximum security prison united states. and that was great offices. we all know it normally is global. so people, united states and brittany probably even in dubai or wherever and i haven't seen you on. so go mainstream media in nature,

countries commenting that much about the genocide, i presume that is not for because you don't want to talk about it will be to the guests that these sorts of television programs have. um, it doesn't seem to be getting through the circle taskbar is riley propaganda. what however, israel failing in getting their message across as they normally have done over the decades there's folks that are still getting their message out. i don't know. people leave because their message is contradicted by what people are seeing happening on the ground. they're a little they won't admit for him directly to his release. any addictions won't allow for and drugs in 2000 to report. there are many palestinians, many who killed many palestinian drivers to where they are recording on video and audio righty about what's happening every day. it's on so that the propaganda just

isn't no propagandist and we're going to be good enough to see all of these facts. we know the generational impact of cyber and should dealer of the 2nd into 5 and so on. i suppose going back to your book talking about the horrors of the 1st world war, as expressed by the simpleton classes in britain. how long will it take for this region to recover the people of palestine from what's been happening these past 6 months? this is not only what's been happening these past 6 months. is what it's going to happen the next 6 months. i mean there's, there's a risk of a major conflict between israel and you're wrong. there's a risk of further consecration in dollars. i guess the idea goes into rafa and there's a risk of the exit as of a 1000000 or more palestinians into the sign. right. does or, or there's a risk of war between his real can because of all are in level,

which would mean what is the total destruction of leather and destruction? many is really cities. although the what we've seen so far has nothing to what we might see in the coming months. it's. it's a terrifying prospect. i think it's, it's, it's worth mentioning that easily obama digital magic emission in another country. when i've kind of bombed american diplomatic missions and doris, mom and i wrote with us on the hell out of that kind of media, we have to get in here and fight. and there's nothing about this is there's a violation. the convention is it is a violation of international law, and it's like, it didn't happen. and like the iranian missile response was just, you know, some crazy thing at the lowest child's boss. thank you. and that's it for the show . well continued condolences to the survivors, all of us, you get you nation, i'm kidding. in palestine, syria, human 11 and iran and iraq. we'll be back with a brand new episode on monday with redacted co host natalie morris. and you'll then

keep in touch while i social media results centers and your country, and had to have channel going underground tv on rumble. don't come to watching you and all that is, that's of going underground. see monday, the now you need your research typically from here to nancy kim's in the book. and that's just me very the young showcase in genes, nathaniel. so i'm just going to the, by the ways that the boys, the

probably the most name that will be for them. and my trip to florida doesn't want that extra them. but adults of and there's that there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the, or excuse the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon, this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say of the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so let me let me on . you have very quick propaganda. you know price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions,

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