the the, the welcome to was a part as present to make sure every mark more than a century ago. everything is learned in comparison with the prospect of a full scale form between israel and iran. humanitarian does us think of something we seems like a crisis of a 2nd to perhaps even a 3rd order is the possibility of an interest. faith more in the middle east likely have to deflect from the ongoing last suffering. and because i'm going to be

a deliberate strategy to redirect the global spotlight, as the global purchase says, to discuss it. i'm now in join bar or for it to say if a member of the israel opponent the class that's representing the left wing, our point george at had dashed task party, mr. cust seaford, great to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you very much for having me. now you've been an outspoken critic of beings, really offensive on golfing and supporting the south african motion to pursue this issue legally at the international court of justice, which i know led to sofa unsuccessful efforts to impeach you. and i want to start by asking you for your personal impressions of what it's like to be a sort of, uh, contemporary dad the against the glass. i must say that it's not the easiest thing on it. you know, a, the out of some, you know, a lead me day sions, and also to the that i have to face. but the, you know,

way we have to do so because i see my start, the 1st and foremost of the struggle in the name of justice and full justice. any might be adjusted is universe that it has no color the native know nations. so my struggle for justice is full, but i still have the need for every like a you know, my political as i was not to say enemies. we seem to use a bottle of anthem d xhylia society of loud a lie to days. room is eyes to be and to a even something's premium that i, me and they of course delegitimize me by saying that the, my, i am, i'm 30 is that i a, you know, a 7 page. where did you this is definitely a wash. of course. i am committed to justice and as a consequence,

i'm also committed to justice for my paper. these are at least so my so i believe is supposed to be it probably still a little bit a shipment, but a see me. i mean dependence is a product. if i started full justice, but it is also, as i seek justice for a, these are these because i think the ending of the war and the bloodshed, but a shame may be achieved only by 1st thing in the bit age. there is the interest. so these are the people of web emotion to your political arrivals. and i heard that in previous interviews here, described them as the mfc on, and bigots who actually believe that that policy is suppose to bring about the coming of the messiah. that the, their fundamental list and the mirror image of how loss. if so how do you think they understand the messiah and what values that messiah is supposed to

represent? first of all, it is to frame many of the meanings to them about these they will function, stepped up out of disco, at least, and then government, ultimately a, i think the other doubt files that have filed from being the majority b as a public. but unfortunately though, very powerful visa, phoenix on you know, especially, and they, they come to the state of the moment. and for them a, you know, life of human beings including these are the austin. she has left a lot of publicity is a life of human beings including these ideas such as because of that, the attempt to neglect that even to mock the follies literally and explicitly. it is because they see the bluffs of paper no more damaged. you even the wheels of the coming of the messiah. now i do not know how they can see there,

or see the messiah. but the money in my life, you have to go there. because if there isn't messiah in there may be messiah existed in they would today have endorsed such a blood test. so if that closes a serious question of to the justice and send it to you, of such messiah and they, that's what i can say in mind. to do my little appreciation, our multiplication, whether we be leaving books or not. is it a big issue? as i said before, is do justice and human beings all human beings. and one that makes a distinction between human beings, according to one's kendall or national. now let the color of the scheme except, well, if some of them make such a distinction, that's one. is it seriously the same time mr. can say there,

there are certain sort of obligations before your countries put patio to endure. it is an i'm in a very difficult situation here uh ethically, because uh my country is also a tour of its neighbor. although i believe that the rush is conducting its more, in a different manner, more restrained manner than israel. and i would say the comparison of death tolls attached to them. but in any case, it raises the issue of proportional defense and appropriate targeting. how do you understand israel's right to defend itself in spirit wrong attempts on its limits to the interview with you? i yeah, i see the peace side of the song state is that i to defend itself. i also said very clearly you have 2 days ago that the you, i'm in a back on is what i was told, the jimmy g to make an unacceptable. because you try with a disability and the live to silver entity and security over use way. absolutely.

you know, many years ago, thousands of people to go, there was a, a csl called the macos. oh, i use. and he had the very, yeah, in about the patient, he said as a human being a, i'm a citizen of the with a small as a, as a marco. so i use, i am a citizen before. so i can say the same, but those should not come in too quickly. make sure there's no email. okay, going to addiction incomes between being a part for york and the universe of these to into like into the measure of my beach . that's why i've said before, that's for me, it's fighting for just this is a unique breast of in the nation. we just cross incorporates into this very great store, the very concept to adjust that the, the rest of these right. what they've been doing is out of my commitment, which is what the commitment to these any property which i am committed to

stems and commas, protests which my commitment to universal justice does not go to the extra. you mentioned the latest the rain and strikes as violating is really sovereignty of unprecedented in scold. but i would also add the, the, they came as a reprisal for an earlier is really attack on the uranium and diplomatic facility, which was also very notable violation and branch of international norms. why do st winette a national government? what's, what's, what they're saying? they are to hear from government what's trying to save and that initial strike and what their thing they were trying to insure for that with what's the deal with you and what they said, you know, well what they, what would you mean when they treat it? after the strike to an easy way and by you on these, the only way to achieve based and stop the bloodshed,

these by 3 o'clock lising this over. and if you all states, some nations in the engine. so and i, you explicitly expressed minus innovation to say the least of the violation of the so when, if you see any of the news on the east side or false, i'm nothing people clocks you know, way you feel free to go. so i think the only way to stop the blog ship is by recognizing and respecting this over any deal organizations about by the way that should include recognition of the palestinian and the guy too. so we have it, they've got the means and being the few patients in establishing an independent body, still state and no side the state of $300.00 of the only ways to achieve peace and security for all around the globe. not only, not only in the ridge you know, i still guess regarding getting it done. you know, unfortunately this fascist full fledged talk is governmental connect on the aus

is not following, going does not care and he's not acting up on in the interest of dick's. it be pretty nice, but the bottom of the interest, mill interest, often with them. yeah. any be good around the keep. and that's the, that's the only thing that i have is that that's why i continuously it'll be insane . that they eat the rest of the is the alias is to get leave of this therapy governments. that's is the main enemy of these labs before we are talking about anyone else. but basically, mission process let, let's, let's try to stick with the latest attack and the, the logic of the next half of that. i'm trying to understand the reason i'm so drawn to it is because up until the recent week the world's attention was on. what's going on in gaza, but with this latest scrimmage between israel and iran,

that no longer seems like, like a number one priority. i wonder if you have any concerns that with this leave is scared by re kim billing based on the old and the most attain any way that the government is actually trying to manipulate the global attention and perhaps deflect from what still is going on in gaza. this the fortunately the is the, the ongoing masika in god's the terrible destruction and best store of children of women. it's simply god's out was not. ringback very, it's not very interested the international community. the flag is continuous for 6 months if the international community, especially in the united states and the will being you and you were really interested in the well being with the palestinians in their very lives on the scene . as you've got that that's terrible. assault was all about months ago,

but unfortunately, it seems it doesn't really care that much little care about their own interest. so the, so in that sense, i'm afraid that the, the price, the ends of the new jews as it goes as they choose for many centuries, where they may best acute at once bookshelves. caleb's oppressed and no, but the cab. now it seems that the palestinian spoken by the same will break down with west cubes and nobody cares. now as to what question does no doubt the money placed in the government's anthony. i will say that government wants to bill so ease by that you felt inc. yep. dish. and even if it was in my know what on the ongoing eh, they're the destruction and masika and gaza to the situation. a we see the, i got, i agree with you. now i am schools it terrified of

a week on the age of a so called of easily and again steve on 1st and foremost because the best piece over the edge of the wall and beyond. that's what would be a hey calling it's death we've ever that experience go dictates that shouldn't be smoke the head. it's like a safe. we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few minutes. stay tuned. the on march the 22nd 1943. during the great petrie, i'll take the shirts and a bunch of folks out of the in 118 and down the belly, mercy and village of cartoons. or i just jump on the new list

in the fitness center. yes. so this one allows them to pony it to you. $149.00 people died including $75.00 children of age was practically wiped off the face of the law. new blue loves are a little bit live arching could have. charlie was more noisy and were you taught us photos? oh shoot. was a hard really i really usually its own you. sonya. so the infamous fatality and responsible for the atrocity included over $100.00 ukranian nationalists from west to new. right? because of the picture, talk with them with you guys, get them, see what? okay. as far as the new e phone, the so long as you guys, but i assume you're up with them. you as customers really declassified criminal cases from the central archive of the k g b,

a better rules shut the light on the atrocity. and on so numerous questions that have remained an onset for many years, watch on c, in the extra ones, a part where offer to save a number of things rarely can asset. the representative had osh tile party. mr. conceive, just before the break, you mentioned that the west only cares about its own interest, but it happens to be that the west of interest, once again, or for the 1st time brother involved here because some western media report in the biden administration is involved in a very active diploma thing behind closed doors, trying to make it clear to these railways that they want to avoid any bad. oh, that's what have to draw the us troops and i'm, i same person heard that it's

a typical american attempt of trying to have a cake and it's a 2 being involved without being involved or without bearing consequences. do you think that americans will succeed base time around? uh, do they still have the library with nothing? yeah, for him. his people. i think they do. but the question that be question is whether they're really interested in doing so do we just measure it for the ongoing muscle, caring godsa in the last week? the last few days, especially since that data, but now they will be joyce, a boy in the west bank and the well a and steve, i'll of course love the dead. the poll gomez, the by step to this, under the auspices, they'll be able to patient, process that against the dentist and publish the new seem to with back. i haven't found anything for the united states on the you about it. that's. but often other thing that they, the government to be so that he's interested a to hide or to my g,

my life. so now i'm saying that because the united states, the by themselves was talking for a few months now that the us with nothing very, that's a tough day at the start of the email set. but it's fitness in gaza. should that be a degree reduced by the same time? it continues so the is the very same. how's the game of the people? it doesn't want to be cute. so i'm saying that because okay, he was speaking. he against a and back on a lot. but i don't know what he's doing in practice because the last 2 months show that there is a kind of a coordinating decent on seeing me. so by this, i think you would end up david. well, i think you're still very antagonizing describing the state or to mental help us

cognitive based. uh, i want to be very clear. i, i don't want to to say anything about his ends is mentally and that's some of my dentist and i don't know. i wish him good ed for school, like any one else. that's not what i meant by going through these thoughts are you physically is activity not to is a mentor l y ending anything else? can i ask her about this uh, very seam and shop for any of of criticism by the by that and the restriction of that is really ally because i have an impression that this whole uh, the whole point of these very high stakes game uh, from these really side is an emotional blackmail of the americans. don't you dare criticize this publicly or else, but that's just my reading. how do you understand the disposition of the nothing yeah, from government to these, i mean the united states and specifically, is that the, the bottom administration ave playing a game of chicken with washington. and how do see this whole relationship or send

the all says military political symbiosis evolving over the next couple of years or perhaps decades. best of the same jo, this exist to many years. so the case, it's not something new. a sick me, you know, every piece of it. i don't know what's going to happen of the election in the united states. a things may, may change a what they can say is that they at least be a monday police. the police pick up and move this to that, nathan, you always been there doing in the last few months of the consequence of the a presto. that the fuse or the they exist if you like, a suspension. rest of the piece in a between the fall, she's the most fanatic the receipts and foxes, the repeated governments. oh,

well that's no, that's the only thing that it would bother you as well, by the way, with less at the time to be more valuable and to be more aggressive towards that, but a students entered on. so that's one side of the question. the other side of the equation is that the, the other week of a president by then in idaho. so probably a one easy way a to not to a be more aggressive bucks to be less aggressive ends in that. obviously i'm going to stop some of the a media the activities and this pressure dot net, then you don't fly themselves even. i think d. c, this pressure is the main incentive. you email it to me. i was behave. yeah. any that says b, a b a is not exactly a quote to him. now, and there have been some reports of primarily in america,

media and the american media close to the by the end of ministration that the white house has been trying to persuade. the national government to opt for a quote unquote, a limited response on or to respond at all to the is to be rainy and strikes they portrayed as a, as a victory for is around because most of the missiles and drones have been into a substance. so there is no need to respond at all, and i want to ask you, what do you think that the limited response can be under israel? have the military resources at this point of time for a major action, let alone for a prolong confrontation of it around whether you know, at the same time. but it hasn't been a bind and said what you quoted. he also was quoted the police, the, some of the price that they followed in the last couple of days. the people did not see anything for you. but what it is that besides to acting one way, not do it. we, we face again, this kind of a, a, you know, blair or a fuzzy,

a party c by both of them, you know, and, and by that, so it's very clear for me, a whether the bi comes up in the situation even sees even mine or the reaction or a non of the know the option of to or you just don't know. it's very tough for me to understand because there's so many going to the beach as a not between the different publications, but between the things that we still by themselves. and that's, that's why don't think i still do the identity of the piece i have a is, it was quote and they gave me different that newspaper as in china is do with the newsletter. upside of is the way that they might be, for instance, side bill reaction that i the meet the you want and they, i really don't know. the only thing i'm sure about is that the best for everyone?

well, the agent as a quote for these ladies as part of that edge, it was, is a, they best is. it said the government to be in the land was not going to act up to or dot city is do is, let's move forward to peace. stop with the military, every option, option 3 options, you know, my optima guntee said i fully and i with them everybody blinds while we're the don't things starting to pay out for me and my husband gotten to a police at this point of time and i do want to ask you about this because he's been sort of uh, using these right wing sentiment growing up and they is really a society very certainly he describes him as a, as a fanatic. but i think he is a very experienced and a very strong flush and, and do you think he can afford himself, politically, when we go into or sort of what they want to de escalate and glad to look neutral

and not be, you know, gearing on some more military action, but i think these are forbid, there is a possibility. i mean, we can do that. i, i do not accept that these are kind of a, you know, make these channels something like that. i totally believe that the last, it's totally in the last few months. let's not forget the piece of responsibility. embarrassed or for the ongoing a lot that we have the societies, it'd be facing easily responsible for so many fails in our friends. you could imagine a, you know, in defense economy, a part of the, so whatever you can think about the face, everything face to face time after time after time. is it, by the way, these will be the exam as well. so it's not the invitation. you might do is a cycle box and who lost it. he said he was so quick in store mental emotional. now

that is to say that the, the big big goal is that the ends a cycle, particularly as, as well. but the ones that i should note in choosing the beams to achieve the scores. now we lost that this way and this our cost, if it's a $3.00 they only about and that's half of personally there or perhaps about the larger phenomenon concerning both israel in the united states. because it looks like they are both these countries massively losing the economic political social advantages. that's how they have managed to accumulate over decades and over here as they're, you know, expanding and on some uh, very outland dish. and in humane proceedings don't to agree with that. i totally happy with it. so depressing at least you'll get them, you know, just right to answer your question because you asked me about that then you out there. certainly, but they don't do it. that's not the best of the issue. and it's not that we cannot put the old blame on it, but you know, it's very interesting because today any in our newspaper,

it was there was a, an article that claimed that the neo is not the responsible for the escalation, especially as far as the occupation was concerned about these a byproduct of the occupation. i totally agree with that. the occupation of 9067 is the see the of the, the most of the eh, diseases variety society is been going through, especially in the last few months. and it's a new, oh is only one of those diseases. i totally agree with you. in the united states, the administration's eh, being supporting the ongoing book, you, patient, in practice. everyone seems a new patient gets there. seems to be, have done john. so up to now, there was not even one president was seriously challenged. the occupation sewing dot says i put to match the blade to the on going bloodshed every about me stop as

well. especially the 1st thing is, but these are at least do i go to much of the blame all the different w stations and do like to stay its absolutely okay, mr. garcia if uh, in a few minutes that they have left, uh, i wanna ask you an impossible question to answer, but the still, how do you see the situation? if not resolving itself, then at least moving in a slightly more peaceful direction. yes say of course the suffering is the manual, the police do you mean people? but let's not forget that they have more than 1000 these ladies, but bookshelves, by how much do one segment of october, and as the $150.00, if we is there any hostages, dying in the town is, will come up stairs. so what should to be done to must be what should have been done. months, the goal is to release the hostages and not the means, and they'd be very, very, a brief breast they will should be stopped. now,

the old hostages should be released got the sewage to be repeated. and the most important thing, you know, the to prevent the ongoing blad shit, and then other, my 2nd is to begin with the serious motion towards to piece and talk necessitates seeing anybody they should be able to patient the siege must be and that the but a senior people's and die to do his independence. and so for anything, even though it's always the people they look to find in june 9067, we must do it. now. that's the only way to save the lives of or people involved. but it's being as easy as you get chance to then yes and on and and, and beyond that, because if we don't stop it now i'm afraid that we are facing we, i want to bring or if it's kept i still fee that will be gaming an email and

they've got the shit in there that you're not as option in war, but the may easily escalate. was it? well? well, we must stop it. it can't. it is stop a bit. but we, we do office jail as far as we can. we have 2 weeks, but we do need the international community on the beach side, not doing these. i do want to stay in a site on the site or if we have to leave it there, i really appreciate your time. thank you very much for being with us. i thank you. the thank you. let's also get to base and thank you for watching hope this era, again, on walter parts the, [000:00:00;00]

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