the, the the, [000:00:00;00] the, the welcome to was a part. as frederick nature remarked, more than a century ago. everything is learned in comparison with the prospect of a full scale form between israel and iran, humanitarian disaster, and as a southerly seems like a crisis of a 2nd or perhaps even a 3rd order is the possibility of an interest state more in the middle east, likely have to deflect from the on going, left, suffering. and because i'm going to be

a deliberate strategy to redirect the global spotlight out of the global criticism to discuss it. i'm now and join bar offered to see if a member of the is really part of the class that representing the left wing. eric majority had dashed talk party. mr. castillo, great to talk to. thank you very much for being available. thank you very much for having me. now you've been an outspoken critic of beings, really offensive on golfing, is supported the south african motion to pursue this issue legally at the international court of justice, which i know led to sofa on successful efforts to impeach you. and i want to start by asking you for your personal impressions of what it's like to be a sort of, uh, contemporary dad, the against glass. i must say that it's not the easiest thing on it. you know, a, that of some, you know, a limitation and also because that,

that i have to face. but the, you know, way we have to do so because i see my start the 1st and foremost of the struggle in the name of justice and full job. any mind you adjusted this universe that it has no color, then the kids know nations. so my struggle for justice is full, but a stain is and he's very like a, you know, my political as i was not to say enemies. we seen these highly parliament. and these are highly a society of large, a lie, 2 days room is nice to be in to a, even sometimes people that i me and they of course delegitimize me by saying that the, my, i am, i'm 30 is that i a, you know, as soon page, where did you this is dr. lee or a book watched. of course, i am committed to justice and as a consequence,

i'm also committed to just this full my paper. these are at least so my so i believe is supposed to be it probably stanley bit a shipment, but a spinning, i mean dependence is a product of i started full just it, but it is also as i seek justice for a, these are these because i think the ending of the wall and the bloodshed, but a shame may be achieved only by 1st thing in the better age. there is the interest of these are the people of web emotion to your political arrivals. and i heard that in previous interviews here, described them as the mfc on, and bigots who actually believe that that policy is suppose to bring about the coming of the messiah, that the, their fundamental list and the mirror image of how loss, if so,

how do you think they understand the messiah and what values that messiah is supposed to represent. first of all, it is to frame many of the meanings to them about these they will function stopped up out of the score, at least and then government bush and lead a. i think the other doubt file they have fall from being the majority b as a public. but unfortunately, the very powerful visa being its own, you know, especially. and they, they come to the state of the moment. and for them, a, you know, life of human beings including these are the austin, she has left a lot of publicity is a life of human beings including these ideas such as because of that, the attempt to neglect that even to mock the follies literally. and it's basically it is because they see the blocks of paper no more damaged. you either we use of the coming of the messiah. now i do not know how they can see there,

or see the messiah. but the, in my, if you have to go there, because each day that isn't messiah in there may be messiah existed in the woods, it have endorsed such a blood test. so if that closes a serious question of to get just test and send it to you of such a messiah, and they, that's what i can say in mind to do my, i will pretty gay shit and i were multiplication whether we'd be leaving books or not is it a big issue, as i said before, is do justice and human beings all human beings and one that makes a distinction between human beings, according to one's gen, dell or national knowledge, the color of the scheme except, well, if some of them make such a distinction that one is

a serious while the same time mister, cuz they are there are certain sort of obligations before your countries put patio to induce an i'm in a very difficult situation here. uh ethically because uh my country is also a tour of its neighbor. although i believe that the rush is conducting, its more, in a different manner, more restrained manner than israel. and i would say the comparison of death tolls attached to them. but in any case, it raises the issue of proportional defense and appropriate targeting. how do you understand israel's right to defend itself? is spirit wrong protects and its limits to the if you were to i yeah, i see that the side of the song state is that i to defend itself. i also said very clearly here 2 days ago that the you, i'm in a talk on is what i was told that you could make an unacceptable. because you try with a disability and the live to silver entity and secure with you based way. absolutely

. you know many years ago, thousands of people to go there was a, a csl code. the marquess. oh, i use. and he had the very, yeah, it really about the patient. he said, as a human being a, i'm a citizen of the with a small as a, as a markers or i use, i am a citizen or before. so i can say the same, but those should not come in too quickly. make sure there's no email that's going to addiction. incomes between being a part for york and then universally used to into like into the last of my beach. that's why i've said before, that's for me, it's fighting for just this is a unique breast of in the nation. we just cross incorporates into this, the very raised or the very concept. don't you ask that the input still visa? what they've been doing is out of my commitment,

which is what the commitment to the so any property which i am committed to stems and commas, protests which my commitment to universal justice does not go to the extra. you mentioned the latest the rain and strikes as violating is really sovereignty unprecedented and scold. but i would also add the, the they came as a reprisal for an earlier is really attack on the uranium and diplomatic facility, which was also a very notable violation and branch of international norms. why do think the national government was what, what they're saying? they are to hear from government was trying to save and that initial strike and what their thing they were trying to insure for that with what's the deal with you and what they said, you know, well what they, what would you mean? well, it 3 tips after the strike to an easy way and by you on these the only way to achieve

beast and stop the bloodshed, these by vehicle can i think this over any deal, all the states and nations in the engine, so and explicitly expressed minus innovation to say the least of the violation of this, the way that you'll see any of the need on the east side or false. i'm nothing people, graphs, you know, way you feel free to go. so i think the only way to stop the blog ship is by recognizing and respecting this over any deal. organizations that go by the way that should include the recognition of the palestinian and the guy too. so we have it, they've got the means and think they will few patients in establishing an independent palestinian state in the old side. the state of $300.00 are the only ways to achieve peace and security for all around the globe. not only, not only in the origin, now i see your question regarding getting it done you all. unfortunately,

this fascist fledged talk is governmental connect on the aus is not following or does not care. and he's not acting up on the interest of dix it be pretty nice, but the bottom of the interest, mill interest, often it them yeah. any be good around the game. and that's the, that's the only thing that i have is that, that's why i continues to be, it will be the same. that's the end of the rest of the is the end. these is to get either of these different governments. that's is the main enemy of these lands before we're talking about anyone else. but basically the process, let's, let's, let's try to stick with the latest attack and the, the logic over the next half of that. i'm trying to understand the reason i'm so drawn to it is because up until the rest of the week the world's attention was on

what's going on and guys and but with this latest farmers between israel and iran, that's no longer seems a lot like a number one priority, i wonder if you have any concerns that with this latest skier, by recurring billing based on the old and the most attain any way that the american government is actually trying to manipulate the global attention and perhaps deflect from what still is going on in gaza, best of fortunately, i is the, the ongoing masika in regards of the terrible destruction and death story of children of women. it's simply god's out was not very, it's not very interested. the international community. the flag is continues for 6 months. if the international community, especially the united states and the were being you and you were really interested in the well being with the palestinians in the very lives of the but a scene as you've got that that's terrible. assault was over out months ago. but unfortunately,

it seems that don't really care that much more care about their own interest. so the, so in that sense, i'm afraid that the, the probably stands of the new jews as it goes out as they choose for many centuries, where they may best acute at once. bullshit games oppressed and nobody cab. now it seems that the palestinian spoken by the same will break down will press the cube and nobody cares. now as to what question does no doubt that the money placed in the government's anthony, i would say that government wants to bill. so is by that you felt think the fish and even if it was in my know what, on the ongoing, eh, they're the destruction and muster couldn't got up to the situation a week. and a,

i got, i agree with you. now i am of course it terrified of a week of the age of a soul court of easily against the von fest for most because the best, the peace over the edge of the ball and beyond. and that's what would be hey, carmen, it's stuff we've ever experienced bore, dictates that shouldn't be smoke the it's, it's like a safe. we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few minutes. stay tuned. the,

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[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the extra ones, a part where offer to save a number of things rarely can asset. the representative. a tile tied a mr. cassim, just before the break. you mentioned that the west only cares about its own interest. but it happens to be that the west of interest, once again, or for the 1st time brother involved here because some western media report in the biden administration is involved in a very active diploma scene behind closed doors. trying to make it clear to these railways that they want to avoid any bad. oh, that's with have to draw the us troops in i'm i same person heard that it's

a typical american attempt of trying to have a cake and it's a 2 being involved without being involved or without bearing consequences. do you think the americans will succeed base time around? do they still have the library with nothing? yeah. one of his people. i think they do, but the question, the big question is whether they're really interested in doing so. do we just measure it for the ongoing muscle, caring godsa in the last week? the last few days, especially since that but now they will be joyce, a boy in the west bank and the well a and steve, i'll po gloves. love the dead. the poll gomez biceps it is under the auspices, they'll be able to patient process against innocent palestinians, even the west bank. i haven't heard anything from the united states on the you about the that's but often another thing that the, the government to be so that he's interested a to hide or to marginalize. now i'm saying that because we would like to

state it by then in sales was talking for a few months now that the us with nothing very, but i thought that they did this total fair, you know, said, but his fitness in gaza should the be a lot because he reduced but at the same time it continued so the diesel and the very same. how's the queue? the people it doesn't want to be cute. it's. so i'm saying that because okay, he was speaking it against a and back on a lot. but i don't know what he's doing in practice because the last 2 months show that there is a kind of a coordinating decent on see me still by this. i think you would end up david's the well, i think you're marian henderson describing the state or took mental help us cognitive

based. uh, no, i want to be really clear. i, i don't want to to say anything about his ends is mentally, i've got some of my dentist and i don't know. i wish him good eligible scores like anyone else. that's not what i meant by going through these thoughts i he failed to ease activity, not to is it meant that l y ending anything else? can i ask him about this uh, very seam and shop for any of of criticism by the by that and the destruction of that is really ally because i have an impression that this whole uh, the whole point of these very high stakes game uh, from these really side is an emotional blackmail of the americans. don't you dare criticize us publicly out, but that's just my reading. how do you understand the disposition of the nothing yeah, from government to these, i mean the united states and specifically, is that the divided administration? are they playing a game of chicken with washington? and how do you see this whole relationship or cindy?

all says military political, somebody else is evolving over the next couple of years or perhaps decades. best of the same. you know, these exist to many is so the case, it's not something new. a sick me, you know, everything is up. i don't know what's going to happen of the election in the united states. a things may change a what they can say is that they at least be a money police, the police because i know guess that nathan, you always been there doing in the last few months of the consequence of the a presto. that the fuse or the they exist if you like a suspension. rest of the piece in a between the fuck, she's the most fanatic the receipts and foxes, the repeated governments. oh well that's nothing. you know, that's the only thing that it would bother you as well. by the way,

with less at the time to be more valuable and to be more aggressive towards that, but a students indigent on. so that's one side of the question. the other side of the equation is up is the other week of a president by then and i down. so probably a one easy way a to not to a be more aggressive but to be less aggressive ends in that. obviously i'm going to stop some of the a media tell the activities and this pressure, but let them, you know, slides instead of even i think d c, this pressure is the main incentive. you email it to me, i was behave, yeah, any thoughts says b, a b a is not exactly a quote to it. now, and there have been some reports of primarily in america,

media and the american media close to the by the end of ministration. that the white house has been trying to persuade the national government to opt for a quote unquote, a limited response on all to respond at all to the is to be rainy and strikes they portrayed as a, as a victory for is around because most of the missed 1000 drones, have been into a substance so there is no need to respond at all. and i want to ask you, what do you think that the limited response can be under israel, have the military resources at this point of time? 4 major action lead to long for a prolong confrontation of it around whether you know, at the same time, but it is a bite and said what you quoted he also was quoted the police, the, some of the rest, the day it for the last couple of days the people did not say anything to you,

but what it is that besides to acting one way, not do it. we, we face again, this kind of a, a, you know, blair or a fuzzy a party c by both, let them know and invite that. so it's very clear for me a whether the items up in the situation even sees even mine or the action or a none of the know the option of to or you just don't know. it's very tough for me to understand. because there's so many calls to the beach as a not between the different publications, but between the things that we still by themselves. and that's, that's why i think i still do the identity with the piece i have is it was quote and they gave me different that newspaper as in charlie is do with the newsletter upside of is the way that they might be, for instance, site bill reaction that i the media to you one and they, i really don't know. the only thing i show about is that the best for everyone.

well, the agent as a quote for these ladies as part of their budget was, is a, the best is you for the government to be a glance, was not going to act up to or dot still it is. do is, let's move forward to peace. stop with the military, every option, option 3 options, you know, how to montgomery said i fully and i with them every about the blinds while we're the don't things are starting to pay out for me. i haven't gotten to a police at this point of time and i do want to ask you about this because he's been sort of uh, using these right wing sentiment growing up and they is really a society very shortly. he describes him as a, as a fanatic, but i think he is a very experienced and a very strong petition. and do you think he can afford himself politically, legally, to or sort of what they want to de escalate, but to look neutral and not be, you know,

gearing on some more military action. but i think these are forbid, there is a possibility. i mean, we can do that. i, i do not accept that these are kind of very, you know, mcgee's channels, something like that. i totally believe that the last speech totally in the last few months, let's not forget the fuse response of who you best store for their own going a lot that we have the societies, it'd be facing easily responsible for so many fails in our friends. you could imagine a, you know, in defense economy, a part of the, so whatever you can think about the face, everything fav favorite dikes after time after time. is it, by the way, these of the, the, it was either float. so it's nothing makisia in my to is a cycle box and who lost

a he said he was so quick and store mental emotional. now that is to say that the, the big big goal is that the ends eh, cycle, particularly as, as well. but the ones that i should know in choosing the beans to achieve the scores. now we lost that this way and this our cost, if it's a $3.00 they only about and that's now for personal or, or perhaps about the largest enrollment. i'm concerning both israel and the united states because it looks like they are both these countries, um, massively losing the economic political social advantages that have they have managed to accumulate over decades and over here as they're, you know, expanding and doing some very outlined ish and in humane proceedings, don't to agree with that. i do to help you with it. so depressing at least you'll get them, you know, just right to answer your question because you asked me about that, then you know, personally, but they don't do that. so it depends on the issue and it's not that we cannot put the old blame on it. then, you know, it's very interesting because today in the,

in alex newspaper. and there was a, an article that claimed that the neo is not the responsible for the escalation, especially as far as the occupation was concerned about these a byproduct of the occupation. i totally agree with that. the occupation of 9067 is the see the of the, the most of the eh, disease is very society is been going so especially in the last few months. and it's a ppo, is only one of those diseases. i totally agree with you. in the united states, the administration's eh, being supporting the ongoing book, you, patient, in practice. everyone seems a new patient gets there seems to be, have done john. so an opportune out there was not even one president or seriously challenged the occupation. so in dot says, i put to match up the blade to the on going bloodshed that everybody stopped as

well. especially the 1st thing is, but these are at least do i go to my, to, to blame all the different w stations and do like to stick? it's absolutely okay, mr. cassandra, in a few minutes then we have left. i want to ask you an impossible question. to answer, but the still how do you see the situation? if not resolving itself, then at least moving in a slightly more peaceful direction. yes say of course the suffering is the manual, the but as do many people, but let's not forget that they have more than $1000.00 these ladies, but would show up by how much do one segment of october. and as they are 100 percent, if we is there any hostages, dying in the town is they'll come up stairs. so what should to be done to must be what should have been done months. the goal is to release the hostages and not the means. and they'd be very, very, a brief breast they will, should be stopped. now,

the old hostages should be released got the sewage to be repeated. and the most important, the, you know, the to prevent the ongoing blad shit. and then other, my 2nd is to begin with the serious motion towards to peace and talk necessitates seeing anybody they should be able to patient the siege must be ended by the sting of papers and died to do his independence. and so rarely, even though it's always the people they look to find in june 9067, we must do it now. that's the only way to save the lives of or people involved. but it's being as easy as you get chance to then yes and on and and, and beyond that, because if we don't stop it now i'm afraid that we are facing. we are on the brink of it kept us still feet that will beginning and then it. and they've got the ship

individual now as option in war. but the may easily escalate was eh, it was, well, we must stop it. it can't, it is stop at the but we, we do office jail as far as we can. we have 2 week, but we do need the and the international community on the peace side, not on the so i do want to see the site on the site. let's see if we have to leave it there. i really appreciate your time. thank you very much. for being with us,

i think you the best pleasure. thank you. let's also get to base and thank you for watching hope to share again on walter part the the the headline stories, the us house of representatives approves a total of $95000000000.00 in aid to israel, taiwan, and view crane. although most republicans oppose giving t of more money. seeing american males afford it. also ahead on the program, the at least 20 civilians are alleged to be killed by an idea of strike on our