lands, and this is a very pro ukrainian book. it was a woman who just had ukrainian ties and wanted to write a book about ukraine's recent history. and she had said that leadership in ukraine, one of the things they were the most afraid of is losing the don boss region because it's so wealthy and resources the minds there for uranium and other things . well, that's exactly what happened. so they've been, we're furiously worried about keeping this region while also torturing these people . and i think just, yeah, you're right. the near times has been reluctant to cover that. the author around the read, they're very clear. it was very simple for the war, but then how easy is it? how easy will it be to filter down to the public use all of those ukraine flags still, they're not using the word unprovoked as often maybe. and now we have a leak regarding the and the other nato, a nation back war. even guys, the new york times, apparently sending a memo to stop saying stop using the word genocide occupied territory. don't use the word palestine. i've seen that for saw. it's that clear from editorial that

wasn't your experience. when you were working and circled mainstream media, then you'd get these memos telling you not to use certain words. and how easily will the publics be persuaded to change the views say, with regard to grade and continued just about genocide as with the gaza? well, that's a good question. i don't think that the mainstream media is ever going to admit that they were wrong on ukraine. that they were swallowing a line that basically support for war and ukraine was tantamount to believing weapons of mass destruction. and i don't think they're going to do that. i don't know if you saw the recent article in the free pressed by the n p. r. news editor euro 3 or a berliner was his name, where he talked about how he always knew that n p r, which i think we can extrapolate best to any, maybe one like the bbc in the united states. yeah, yeah. yes. yeah. so if you know any, maybe once well respected media outlined outlet like the new york times. um or uh,

cbs news. uh but this n p r news editor, what he said was, i always knew n p r was left leaning. you know, subaru driving, white educated democrats, but we always had at least a fair distribution of our audience, but it's shrug with so much and has become so much an eco chamber for our echo chamber. sorry for is just basically you and i thought why liberals that it's trunk their audience because of it because their editorial staff has dug their heels in on certain coverage such as around palestine around cove. it around hunter, biden's laptop. he goes point by point around george floyd's desk. he said these were opportunities to do real journalism, and m p r decided not to, but instead they held all these diversity meetings. they started tracking,

their source is based on diversity. so you're not even trying to tell the news, you're only trying to paint a story of virtue signaling and it, he says it just eroded right out from under me. what he did was he went to his bosses and said, this is the problem. we have no republicans working in the news room, so we have no diversity of thought. nobody is actually trying to see the side of the audience that's leaving us. and the ceo said, oh yeah, it's interesting i'll, i'll take your meeting and then cancelled it and never rescheduled because they just felt like i guess for whatever reason i don't need to hear that. and that's very much my experience because i never saw this kind of refuse refusal to look at stories when i was a journalist, i don't think i'm. i was as shocked as everybody else. i was already independent by the time of the pandemic yet. but this lack of curiosity about where cove it came

from, whether the vaccines were safe or not, whether people were actually being harmed to buy them. whether that cobit numbers, they just, they lacked curiosity and were all in on punishing people who work curious. and that for me was a big turning point. it's not about pushing the narrative. it's about asking the questions, even if you don't want to that and then the war and ukraine where i, you see, they're lying there. take, who's lying there pretending like ukraine just popped up out of the blue like lead . and so in fan design money i made for myself, there was money to be made many commercial stations funded by pharmaceutical companies. in fact, as to the cobit story digital might need to be made. i suppose. stocks defense stocks. the popularity of shows like redacted is desta, mentioned the fact that the people on interested in watching all those kind of fake news stories in so go mainstream media. but then i understand, i mean,

we being hit similarly. they the silicon valley industrial complex as a way of trying to destroy your audience, accessing your show. yes, they do. i'm sure you're familiar with the cast review, which is b n h s story of the n h s, the national health service, and the u. k. launched a years long study showing how little research they have around transgender children, and specifically the sex change surgeries and the cross sex hormones that they give them at very young ages. and the cast review was fantastic. i spent a whole weekend reading it. that's why i didn't get any coverage on comcast. sky news in britain. right. really? yes, yeah. and my piece on it on redacted was hit with them. well they, they at least down ranked it. and so i was really disappointed because this is an academic paper. but it is me covering it and validating it,

makes me guilty of wrong think. and this kind of thing happens to us all the time. and it's, it's really discouraging. and there are times that are like, why do we do this? you know, it's, it's really terrifying. to speak freely on these platforms, but i guess anything that's easy. well, everyone would do it right. so someone's gotta do something hard and i'm still alive. so that's why we do it. and we have 3 kids and i don't want to look at them and think, well, we didn't try our best or try and create the world that you deserve. so yeah, i do want to make that point though you, you mentioned about the new york times, not saying palestine. we don't use that either just because they, those people have not been given a country yet. it's not really a place and recognized by somebody being but natalie more as i'll stop you that more from before the m s. nbc and current current co host will be used to show redacted after this break, the

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k g. b, a better rules shed light on the atrocity announced a numerous questions that have remained an onset for many years. watch on, see the welcome back to going, i'll be going, i'm still here. with read that goods, natalie morris. thank you for having me. natalie. you enjoy hearing about the fact that you're still alive. context of that sense to ship it to let you know it's an ongoing story. this reauthorization of vice, a warrantless wire tapping. i don't suppose you're going to tell me all about the fact that your, you and your husband about the bugs you buy us at ortiz, but it costs the house, the waiting senate approval, edward snowden, tweeting from moscow, where he has been co for safety. how scary is the reauthorization of this

wireless wire tapping or does it know methods to john? let's realize in the us the under surveillance by the security state all the time as well. i sort of assume that we're always being watched because of that, i did read edward snowden book and i found it terrifying. but i don't think that this is the make or break moment of censorship. i think that this is showing just how complicit our leaders are. by allowing it, but even if it had not passed, even if there was no supporters of it, you know that these government agencies are still going to continue to casually dip into whatever they want and help themselves to whatever bits of your life that they want. and so i think that it's more insidious than that then just this one bill, and i think it's going to take much more of an overhaul then just you know, one, but one of the things that i think it is so interesting is that these different

government agency is now they just keep popping up and being born see sort of a c i s a is a new one from the state department that terrifies me. and the way that they're using these different non government agencies to do the bidding of down ranking or punishing people on social media or reaching in the social media and taking what they'd like. and one of the things that we know is that these agencies don't necessarily talk to each other. so the n s a might buy some data with our tax dollars. i might add, it's april, that's top of mind. so the, and i say might buy some data and then oh, you know, the c, i is buying that same data, but they actually don't know. the same thing happens with the 0 day exploits, these software bugs that they can get in and watch you. however, they want and so it's redundancy. so you see on redacted we always have this national debt clock. well that, that is happening for so many reasons, but made worst by the fact that these different government agencies are buying the

same a digital assets in duplicate and they just don't know. so even if one agency were told, hey you, you kinda gotta stop that, or at least you have to start getting a warrant. that doesn't mean the others wouldn't. it's, it's bigger than all that. unfortunately. maybe it's because the infrastructure is already paid for in the united states. they don't need the money for you, do you? but you personally miss the united states, even though from a far you can tell just by statistics about the levels of poverty inequality in the infrastructure spending, i know that you have one redacted, a different view of what happened with that bridge catastrophe recently in the united states yeah, absolutely, and you know, they're still so many things to be learned about that, but it does seem like it's very much a subterfuge. that's something that clayton spend covering my husband at length. but, but it also just feels like a, a crumbling and you know, it, it,

it feels even if it, even if it's not a cyber attack, it does, it does feel symbolic of a lot of crumbling infrastructure in the united states, which makes me sad. i mean, clearly it was dangerous to talk out against cove it because authority said oh, it was about the locked downs. and so, and how dangerous did you both feel and your team feel when you were questioning the narrative about a headless babies be headed babies on october, the 7th, and claims of mass rape. and so on october, the 7th, which, you know, we've had guests on saying that this was of use to justify what the redacted and we're going underground coal to genocide to powered via us u. k. u nation weaponry. i would say israel is the scariest. it's much scarier than ukraine was. and we felt terrified covering ukraine for a long time. and we've got on some scary lists from people who are very pro ukraine,

who said that we were traders or russians. stooges, we had that a lot, put an apologist. um now you've joined how much awesome you joined him off. right. really? yes, yeah, and i, you know, i'm trying to think was, i is scared, covering all of this and ukraine over the last 2 years. as i have felt about going up against a zionist government and i don't know, i'm scared a lot. so i, i'm not sure. you know, if i think you had the little arrow and you show we did, we did. yeah. mind us. what happened to them? right. yeah, someone who was not protected by the united states government was thrown in jail and died there from neglect, apparently. and it's much different story then alexi and of all need who splashed all over the headlines comically at the oscars. actually the night that in the fall and he died, i was in dubai, and i couldn't take it watching all of the coverage of people lauding him as

a hero. and i thought you don't know you're not studied. so it was one of my more successful pieces that i sat down in our hotel room. and i told the story of all of the things that we're not told about and of all me. and yet, he still showed up on glossy magazine covers after his death inviting decided to do a, a press conference, a live press conference, which he never does. so yes that i don't know, maybe i'm just because it's been a long time of being labeled, a put an apologist. it doesn't bother me as much. but i definitely watching what happened to candice owens watching the great coverage of in carroll. uh i'm, i'm afraid of, of, you know, covering this real in this way. it seems a little bit more insidious. but, you know, we're just here to ask the questions. and, you know, one of the things that, that we say on our show is we are unapologetically pro peace and the anti war.

and you will never, ever convince me that a bomb is the answer to anything. and so as if that comes off as anti semitic, i really, you know, don't care because i think that's what the zionist government is doing, is hurting the jewish population more than anything else. and i, i'm terrified to see, you know, how this continues to escalate, but you know, i would loved. i would love to have seen a peaceful solution. i would love for palestine to be a place that has a flag and a government and an airport and all of the things that those people deserve. i would have loved to have seen that in 1948, but that's not, that's not the world we have right now. so our main agenda is peace. and a lot of times the narrative is exploited to get you to cheer for war. and i will refuse any time, no matter how terrible the reality is. i'm never going to say,

well then, yeah, you gotta kill that person. sorry, i just won't. and a lot of the, if i have one of my closest friends, very, you know, pros, i in a state and i said, you know, any of this retaliation it brings retaliation on us. and that's the thing that you can't stop that cycle until somebody does. and i don't accept it if someone wants to come to me and say, oh, put an apologist or anti semite. it feels like they're not engaging on the actual discussion of peace. they're just throwing bombs and then running out of the room. and so i, you know, i say to my kid sometimes when someone throws these like nasty labels that me and then runs away and doesn't engage on the issue. it's, it's like when the dog peas on the floor, like if you can't deal with it, you just clean it up and walk away. you know, i mean, the layer of course, american dream is to uh, found that in the ukrainian prison and then the valley,

i suppose you were in dubai. and uh, you know, part of what you rode off to nevada and his death in russia. he said some pretty ferocious things against islam who to apply. of course, the u. a and wisdom countries have had slightly more muted be the weeping for this is i'm a sub naturalist, novelle in the, in this, in this region. um, do you think that the providing context then uh is always going to have you be accused with these slides in fan this be and do you see my tag doesn't seem to be working as well for design, this will be in the united states. we've seen big demonstrations uh, coast to coast in the united states that alone in the west and you're i would hope so sure. but that's i feel like that's my place in this world because i'm a bit of a poindexter. i like to just read long volumes of back history to figure out what's

going on and, and the context is the only way we can make sense of this world. and so, yeah, i, i think that i'm, i'm, i'm thrilled that there is an audience for that for people who are poindexter is like me. and they want to just read and understand. and they realize we're being not told the whole truth. and now they'll come along for the ride and you know, it doesn't mean i'm always, you know, i try to think of where i'm guided next. what to read next as an extra wide range. and you're interested, you know, friends of redacted will notice that the, both of you have different views. sometimes we'll do a 3 argument underway now, means while local mainstream media is rejoicing over all new weaponry, that's going to be used to wipe people out, even on redacted. you can sense when you want, you give you do one to cover, you know, health care food, big farm, or all sorts of different subjects. is it gonna,

edging out all those issues that interest you? i mean, you mentioned transgender issues involved, one, it does it. i know here that you've gone talk about the issues that perhaps everyday people working class has all west and you are being united states of cons as much because uh, because the very existence of old people in western europe is now under the red. um yes, a lot. uh, you know, i don't want to have a big audience because everybody's worried about war because if there wasn't a war, that would keep people tuning into the news, then we would just have to do better. we'd have to be more interesting. we'd have to, you know, we could cover the things that we might be that might us, we might find interesting more right. but right now there's more and so uh, yeah, definitely i, i would love it if we were in peace time and we all could continue to innovate and

make the, you know, world the way we want it. but that's not what we've got right now. and it doesn't seem like we have leaders who are even interested in that at all. and especially in europe, in fact. um, you know, i, i think i had this idea of moving to europe as this utopia. and i'm sad at the europe that i find because it nice in the united i had to leave your oh yeah. how do you pay? and julian assigned. yeah. of course, famously is in your shortly, but yeah, so to be and i just states, just finally, i mean, do you think we'll ever see redacted on so called mainstream television when the, with this bad nightmare is of the circle journalist refusing to quest, you're going to use uh ends no, and i don't aspire to that really. i saw that more people come what journalism the questions, things rather than journalism to just write down what they told and press releases perhaps. um, but i don't know if the television is that place. i think as media more and people

watch friends of tucker carlson, of course, who abandoned tag tv. yes. yeah. he's a good friend of clayton's and that's a family friend and. yeah, i don't, i don't, i used to care a lot about that because it was more of like what we all collectively understood or what my parents understood better. but now i feel like we have a larger reach than i ever did when i was on cable news. and so it doesn't, it doesn't feel like the fish that got away. it feels like we just, we flowed with the times. but i will say it's so nice that you invited me to talk about our show and the trajectory of my career, because none of the legacy mainstream media is interested in saying like, oh, this girl was one of us. what's she doing? how'd she arrive here? what's this about crickets, right, and i used to get all kinds of invitations when i was a member of them to do someone else's podcast. this magazine, this, you know, little thing and i was once and in max them as like,

we made me less like none of that. no one's interested in this independent voice because it's, it's against the green. so you are, and i appreciate that very much. i put on make up to come on. yeah, i appreciate it. thank you. natalie morris and that's it for the show of continued condolences to the survivors of u. s. u. k. you nation, i'm killing in palestine, syria young and devin in iran. and iraq will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch with our social media or if it's not sense and in your country and had to our channel going underground tv and rumbled, they'll come to us, new and old episodes of going on the grants, he's up to the the, when the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice

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never gonna change your mind so people will never change their minds about video. they think i was wrong. and that's it. the, the, the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn time peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news speaker of the west house of representatives, a republican mike johnson, claims that russia, china and around are the next new axis of evil. well, here we go again to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my desk drawer to study while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube, locals, and in marrow cash. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that bridge is in effect, that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. of course the funding for you.