to change your mind, something never changed their minds about video. they think i was wrong. and that's it. the hello and welcome to cross the bullhorn time peter live out. here we discussed some real news speaker of the west house of representatives, a republican mike johnson, claims that russia, china, and around or the next new axis of evil. well, here we go again to discuss these issues in more, i'm joined by my guess, george w. well we in budapest, he's a pod cast or the goggle, which can be found on youtube in locals. and in merrill cash, we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that girls and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with georgia in budapest. of course the funding for ukraine past is

we you all 3 of us expected all along. and but before we get to that church, what's going on with this axis of evil? i thought we had retired. that ridiculous concept after the failed comp, low interventions in the middle east. it's suddenly of come is come back by this peculiar guy named mike johnson. what do you make that it's well, a piece of the expression is a level of retired. um it, it is true, is it else a has it that maybe you vote for in the united states? you always have john mccain in power. it's a 1000 mileage on became a losing 2000. you've got to george w bush and i think john mccain program same back obama defeats john mccain, john mccain. so empower, so now what we've got is this apparently magazine like which is what a dollar trunk goes in megabyte. so there's essentially presided over the most

massive transfer of funds, obviously to the us military industrial complex, but also to ukraine's all the gods. the mass of a transfer of funds to a israel, as he presided over a kind of a pop 3, a wall mind of, of, of the restrictions of civil liberties restrictions on freedom. so take talk with selected, they're all to be banned in the 9 months time. so supposedly, of is going to be a seizure of russian solver and assets in the united states. so essentially it is a complete wish list of everything that the deep, se, the military industrial complex, the democrats, what i, but the saw and the one thing that the republicans had one to which was both to

secure it. and i was able to see they didn't get it. so i don't of the else thing. the previous ineffectual speaking look out, they, they got a version of how much was because it, but actually a more competent version of it because it, because he actually pulled off what because he failed to pull up. this is a total own go by of the republicans in election yet. it's extraordinary martin goods, you know it's, george is absolutely right. no matter who you vote for you get john mccain. but john mccain's, vision of the world always ends in catastrophes waste of money. and there's a and the diminishing of a reputation around the world. it's. it's like a information loop that just goes around and around and around. there's no learning here whatsoever. martin. i think that there might be something that i am from, from a humble capability of let's go out of this. um yeah,

i think perhaps we're letting, but some, what you described is really a catastrophic failure of the us foreign policy. you know, in the, at all times and unprecedented, i would say, so i think there is something to them that you know is that, is that we, we are learning it that they are not learning. and then we have, we have phone was informed, was over expensive um, in the short term and long term. but um i, i sympathize with the republican somebody else because they take just point to heart and they must feel for the republicans, the best hop. both houses now are basically a democratic majority and it won't happen, but this guy was absolutely extraordinary to 1st is through the last moment. when he paid off, was he also to deal with the mine both to see to but some from the democrats side, from the button come. it doesn't look like it losing stuff because they must be asking themselves, look, you know, in 6 months time, how many more reports we have to deal with the russian advances? can we, is, can we throw more in a, um,

bundles of cash on the floor just to keep this plan going for another 6 months, 9 months, you know, until the election to arrive. but because i think that's the way they must be looking at it, a lot of them are kind of concerned and the trump comp must be thinking, well, that's really the last show that is the last book. you know, the last bill that is gonna be sent to this discount for 2nd country. if it was over there, that's the with the you have the sunk cost file. let's see. you know, we've already invested so much. we can have to keep though it's george, george george. i mean i, i'm, i, i find it, i'm no, i'm thinking about it because a majority of the republican base is not a go or a 3 against these foreign aid packages, with the exception of israel. israel is always an exception, but george, in an election year it is extraordinary. and, and it just shows that when, when you're in the grip. oh, based on kind of an 80 ology, then your own self interest on how to go by the way side of what happens

of it. but over the last 10 days was the total ex, although i guess so, but emulation by the republicans. they lost the key issue that i would have had of going into november, which was these of vitamins was vitamins with the united states into several very, very dangerous conflicts. he doesn't know how to get out of them. and we, the republicans on the leadership of donald trump can bring these was to him, and that was trump's issue. and trump throw it away because trust endorsed what my johnson did and what my johnson date was a big enact by whose agenda. so by me, we'll be back in the rose garden sometime later next week, and um that you will do the signing well the republicans will be behind them clamping him huge victory. but by now trump doesn't have an issue. i think trump us

out see the deal. he will lose the election in november because he doesn't have an issue to run on. this was his issue. this was the issue, the guaranteed in victory in 2016. i am the base candidate. i'm the one who's got to keep us out of the stupid was i'm going to focus on the domestic issues. now he doesn't have that issue anymore because the moment you said, well, these are biden's was the media. you know, every single moment of the day will point out. yeah, but you endorsed, is it your policy? you do do that. he's not going to get out of it. i mean, that's what the media do. they gotta keep doing it all the time. you did. if it's your policy though trying to wash your hands of it, and i think that's go to what they consume. because what i mean is, if you're just gonna get biden's policy, you might as well bite me to do it for you. just yeah, martin meeting we had did the mike johnson and the you're a guy not too long ago. he did one interview with glen greenwald, which george and i had discussed. and it was a big civil, libertarian. i mean, and,

and very, very much, very cautious about government intervention when it comes to the banning or limiting speech here. but he went total, swamp, total swamp creature and a center of rainfall. he, he has a theory that he knows though, how washington work city. mike johnson was taken into this little room by some security operatives. and given the horror show of, if this is all at stake and you're the 3rd most powerful person in the world, only you can make a difference certainly. and if the senator is right, then he took good hook, line, and sinker. martin? yeah, i would just have to take a dose for it, but doesn't use a underestimate trump to utah. so that's what he's saying today. he's famous. you know, so i think there's always a possibility that if you kind of actually convinced the american public in the last few weeks running up to the election, the strategy new client has to fee to pull out and i'll spend another dollar. he

may not have the support he has now in terms of numbers, but i'm a little prove very popular, especially if the republicans get the right together and then medium machine is organized and i can actually show the listen $170000000000.00 of your cash was to go to pull the tape, didn't go into the health coach cation building roads and getting jobs. americans went into funding this machine and we lose a, even with all that cash, we're still losing that might be resonating notes for a lot of americans particular. so i'm not really sure because george now is trump is kind of anointed mike johnson. ok. so he and he has real power, and actually he's taking that away from, from trump doesn't hold office. obviously, trump is a leader of the republican party. but if he's anointing of the establishment a party, it diminishes trump during this campaign, i'm completely baffled by this george. exactly opposite, because he has anointed um jonathan johnson came to him in model like

a trumpet and have to see a drug. i said a bit busy, or are you going to seen him and just say that's your problem. i, you know, i go to the elections around of the law suits, to fight off. i, you know, you're gonna have to deal with it by you. so i didn't do that, ultimately you'd have to say that, you know, there has to be like, assess the policy of traumas going back to the time that he was present as supporting your brain. so it's, it's just the perception, it's actually the liberals who have put, made completely to create of the story i look for. well, the trump is broke. bruton trump is pro russia trump designed to ukraine. this was all made up. it was never any troves in it. he was the one who changed obama's policy and start ascending lee. so military dates are you great? nice. continue to boast about that. he said well yeah, that was uh that was just a moment trip a uh abberation on my father. he boast about his oh, i think that's made a difference in the statement that he issued on,

on to social. he says ukraine is important to us. so he didn't, you know, this is all made up as well by the so the mag supporters like bannon and by m. s. nbc, the trump rating a to bring trump us to wash his hands off. it's no, i mean not, but you know, you look at the rank one of the man he believes in this, and he's therefore essentially thrown away what could have been potentially his best issue. what i think it threw away, martin is to be the piece candidate. okay. and you can, we, can, we just kind of move away from a guys a way from ukraine i want, he could have had a much more coherent message of why don't we have little bit more diplomacy, why we throwing so much money around? it's not solving problems, it's perpetuating problems. the actually, i don't understand the political calculus here. instead of getting yourself into the nitty gritty, the minutia of these issues, say, look, we need a fundamental change in policy that resonated with the public in 2016. who knows

what happened in 2020 but it's still there and it's a, it's a lane but he won't take it. it's something i'm i'm really disturbed by martin. we want to take it now, but i wonder what does it show and it doesn't matter. now they did, the guy is cast, i think go ahead. yeah. but my just, i mean, you know who, who is this guy? you know, i mean, yeah, i think i think he will soon, you know, disappear um very quickly and people won't even remember who he is or what he said and in a very short space of time. and i don't seem to so particular person, but i agree with joe as the trump doesn't a problem now. um, but i think a lot just places more emphasis on these 2 candidates to run their actions based on personalities alone. if the, if the policy side starts to wayne away, you know, and there's really, really, is there really isn't that much to flight about, except the economy costs, which i don't think was in but, and say that i think the trip without effect on what the tool and you know, he,

people associate him with his friends and as a leads, doing very well, but not hold that thought i'd have to go to a hard break it down for that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on some real new stake with our to the russian states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community best most. i'll send some of the same assistance to progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the russians to day and split the ortiz phone next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say a request for check the

f. it's also the way to let you know with a little special less because you have already set the idea to start filling up. probably a full liam will cover with form or should i have them look at each to look at each store item video, case the prostate, and you'll click on just to check the status of my guys. see him, you'll have to be screening your to them. this kind of stuff ok from work on the kind of this. so at least what his last splendor was kind of that goes to an opinion. might be the dakota or someone lovely or that's feel we should play publish mode or not. but it's thoughts. maybe i don't know with some projects assumed unless, cuz i knew for michelle. thank you. the

welcome back to prospect bull horns on peter lavelle remind you were discussing some wellness squared. let me go back to you again. i mean it, these, the series of bills that were passed about for an of um, for the funding a, you know, we're going to israel guys. i tie one. um, uh, um and you know, banning of, of the tick tock here. it seems to me with, with the republicans joining in on that they lose their leverage on so many different things for, for example, of funding the israel. well, that's already been passed in a vital signs that what kind of leverage does he have? the money is going to keep going, i mean, you get you giving up so much leverage and power, but the u. s. has in it by bypassing these bills and signing these bills. well, israel's already been paid, they're not going to listen. me. yeah,

well did they ever listen? uh, i think um, if, well, i mean it money, money gets people's attention it. don't you think it's, it's it's, it's a, it's a summary of yes, it does for a short period of time, but, but i think the lessons look in that we will to now, to pretty to so i have a relief in the last few days with this so cold attack on the run by israel, which supposedly isn't gonna have any ramifications. we hope we're going back to trump and bite and you know, i'm just confused 0. i mean, i just, i can't see now what the root issues will be. now when they see class, you have to head, but i, i do think that some of the things i guess me about trump, we should never forget that. so was enjoying his campaign. he showed us that he really was very uncomfortable with a woman who was very uncomfortable, being us, preston. i shouldn't be having any was around the world, you know, they, they, them, i don't know. the fact lives in america is just

a supreme leisure of them forces or something. something like to you're, you're telling me pizza. i'm sure line she managed. that's all i selecting doesn't sit well with him. so, and that's the only hope that we can have is that he will still present himself to the american public as somebody is going to deal with these rules. i don't, i'm just also, and i think that's what we've already done with it. well, the, you know, you're training now. you know what, what those $61000000000.00 by you. i mean it, it, i think it was just in time. definitely some time. but even with that money, we seen with a miscalculation with the corruption, with the incompetence, you know, with the ineptitude of a solid sky. and there's all me, we seen still, the russia pushes forward versus still has gauge to my, well, i mean, for me, it's a, it's really not the, the, the all or something because they've got the, the, the, the campaign in, in ukraine is going in one direction and we'll just continue going in that direction. okay. it's, it's not, it's not really the dollar amount for me, george,

it's the fact that you give a leverage. okay, so what, what, what has happened here is that instead of trump, the unifying the party. and now you know, you, it's trump in his mag of supporters and you have that republican establishment. that chasm is getting larger, not smaller george with it. that's exactly right either. and that's really the point because what has happened in recent years and the may be through trump's 2016 campaign assembly republican positive as much as the polity of the piece and the body against big government, against the military, against the intelligence services. i am in favor of the civil liberties. i mean it's not that i'm usually to essentially republican, but it was going back to it's pretty well war 2 guys against the old you know the coast. uh well go to uh coldwell establishment the same thing. but now this

thinking has prevailed against the g o p. so, so now they, they lose that the important issue which they could've at least one over, um, people who, you know, who might not naturally be voting for republicans, but this, but they just thought so killed by the biden regime, you know, an embracing all of the ideas of the deep state and the military, these are working with lisa republicans are against this. and so even though they've but they've lost that liberty, mike johnson, he changed his view. why? because of a briefing by the intelligence services. well, let's see, is that the intelligence services that you've been accusing now for several years of trying to topple donald trump? the people who are trying to um, but in that asylum, cool. in the united states that would try to essentially kick out the elective lead to your site. you set up all of these committees to investigate government abuse or government weaponized ational govern with i guess your political bonus. you mean,

i think diligence service you set down and you thought, oh, well, i better believe that and all the weapons of mass destruction and all of that in the bushes, you mean villages, services goes away. so you have lots of leverage. and i think that's really the point and what not to mention about the both of them at this, the problem is on the trunk may be under the delusion of the people find his personality appealing and that strolling there. there is a fact faction in america that does fine this bus and now it's a very appealing, that's not enough to get you over the line. so i'm going to get you 51 percent. you know, people who are, you know, the person out of this fine, but you gotta have the policy. you're gonna, well, george, even in 2020. nobody loves joe by nobody. okay. but in, and we get that process still continued just be you're absolutely right martin. we can split it out of here a little bit. i mean, this axis of evil. and i suppose china is on notice right now. i mean, that's like waving a red flag in front of someone here to be, you know, we're,

we're, we're not going to have a peaceful coexistence. we're not going to on have symmetry. even know where are we, this is a new cold board. you are the enemy rushes experiences for a long time now that china is, and so what does russia in china do they come even more close together? i mean, there is there any adults in this administration whatsoever? exactly. yeah, obviously it's a point of the make a little turn about british politics, which is i've noticed in my lifetime, how and peace in london this educates it's less informed and frankly lessons you know, not even uh, not even remotely clever living remotely astute. so, aero dice and what they do anymore, and they make the basically becoming sick, you know, and i think it's us, i mean, america wasting a dumbing down of the political process. and the people within it, people are actually saying more and more stupid things, you know, without even having to research without even having these slides to sign next and just say, you know, talking about new access to the last time. someone said that george w bush, the american invited to rack it was

a premise of so they must figure out who would not be experiencing that now. but to go back to a point about showing the being the enemy and russian being in the what's the reason the enemy, you can say that $126000000000.00 or for an investment from american companies in china says that you're not the enemy. you know, it's a city to go down that road. oh, i think all i interpret from that is just chest beating a certain nationalistic book. but also what it does. it's georgette. it's threat inflation. okay. so i mean, you know, we had the asked in graft. we have the ongoing ukraine, griff, then, you know, the, the good korean peninsula has been the, probably the greatest rift a since the 2nd world war that just goes on and on and on. there's not even a question about that. and so here we go again the, the industrial base of the united states has been degraded so much so that you have to rely upon arms to export more make money. so this is, this is really extraordinary. again, trump is betraying everything,

but he stands for him, me. and so you know, if we're gonna, if, if we're gonna have an industrial base, can we have it more than just arms like have well paying jobs for people, they don't know that the swamp always wins. john and john mccain always wins. george, this is exactly right there. and it really is the case that whenever there's any kind of a fight, any kind of a resistance to the swamp, the swamp will prevail. what's your goal? so remember that um on the sides of a bite and signed into law, the renewal of fi is the warrantless search bar, the bias a. so this was a real head mike johnson played the really cold role in the on the critical vote. he gave the critical works, so this was a really bump, good day for the deep states the other day. and so no wonder they were all the democrats who are waving ukrainian flags inside the the capital. but oh,

no party that this was a, this was the trump certainly point and this is why he became president of the young people. what is the vote of for him? you know, i sent you a reality tv shows stuff. uh, you know, and new york real estate. so i do, if you have the promise, we're gonna end these was we gonna rebuild our industrial base, you know, make america great. again, we're going to go back to the america of world war 2 and the immediate, the decades after world war 2, when american industry was the envy of the world on either side question whether it was doable or not. but that was the whole point. then we don't wanna waste all these precious results as finding stupid was it doesn't, don't get anything for him. i get it. and that hasn't worked. and then he was an opportunity for trauma. and because he had it has the bass i need even had with him later. the g o b conference you know, congressmen who are ready to follow him and say, yeah, we were with you on this. we, we don't want to any more of these laws. we're not going to give one penny to the

ukraine and all the or in george on top of it on top of it. there is no down side for the republicans. they did vote for it. they don't see or trump, they don't, we are the leader of the party. democrats. oh my goodness, you defy. looking to ship. i think it will lock you out of your office and give you a one way ticket. oh martin, go ahead. it's. it's a 6. all right, i think we've reached that point now. you know where it's, it's so difficult to, to, to look at these 2 candidates and understand what, what the real story is. are we being food here? is this a smoke and mirrors sort of bluff and trump? i wonder if there is most of the story that we've actually really stumbled on, you know, i think less not underestimate his ability to, to surprise. so what is media stance? and i'm some of the attorneys that he has around him, you know, revising him on a day to day basis. so. so i think we've got lots of look forward to, but in the short term, i must have maybe i but i, you know, i, this was

a huge win for the democrats and buying a huge. okay. and the colossal size of it. i think george is right. this is going to be use as a whip on him all the way to november, but you supported your. um speaker supported it. what are you are doing about it? taking an issue off the table, which was very viable for so many people. george, i finish up for us. exactly. a bible. he may try to distance himself away, but it'll be every single day. and them as nbc, cnn all the way that they're gonna be saying, this might be 5000000000. this was the biggest business ever package for ukraine. you signed off on it. so what suitable for him to best build them accusing would be perfect fulton's bucket. lose the right side. i was the harshest on russia, they're still going to accuse him of working for the kremlin, but also to use him of the supporting by his policy. that's

a politics, the short circuiting itself. i'm and maybe martin's right. maybe there's something here that we don't understand, but i tend to doubt it. that's all the time we have gentlemen want to take my guess in budapest and america. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time. remember, costs are rules, the, [000:00:00;00]

the, the, what is part of the, the employee would post good. isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present. let's stop without collisions. let's go products. as

the temporary printer to interested in shipping it to interest if it says k. but that's just sort of similar to a lot of ups and i'm even with almost the end of the course. they also could i ask you, i sca grading the push to get them, give them uh, at the end of this message is to them could be said you'll no longer with us because and this will be so it is an issue and you're going to condition in them, so it's can you is this is,

can you do most of the district the know lots of us stopping it or finding something close to this message? yeah. can you visual who's a with a video? she does the 4 books february the the, the unblocked splash of initiative, which doesn't go through just a little, you know, the, the machine is also good. i'm more for my dish has middle one of your stores here