right, i'm sorry now here's the on this edition of 360 view. we're going to look at the court and justification by the united states and the role their presence is planning or cheating. peace in the middle east. let's get started. the the earliest civilizations in history were established around $3500.00 b c. and the region now known as the middle east, even though the time was not given to the land between a ravia and india until the 1850s by the british india office. so why is the oldest civilization? do you mean the help of one of the newest? well, i don't want to question the original intent of united states. that would like to think it was the name of keeping the peace in the world. but even if that was true in the beginning, prior to the united states pulling out of afghanistan,

do us have more than $100000.00 navigators stand alone. that can be extremely concerning. and savvy, 2400 to never made it back home to united states. lots and more than 20000 were wounded in action. what good was there sacrifice? because within a year of the united states pulling out the taliban regime has almost again to full control of afghanistan. again, the same could be also said following the withdrawal from many american troops interact as well. now, but following the attack, which killed 3 american soldiers in jordan, us military started a series of strikes, including $125.00 munitions against $85.00 militia targets in syria interact. and this might just be the beginning, as more and more pressure as being formed on the current administration to take more action. now this is all,

while the united states troops stationed the middle east, are there with the permission of each country's government. well, that's except for syria, and was more than a $160.00 recent attacks on us troops across a rack and serious since october, it's apparent, the residents of the country are not as happy. so what exactly is united states doing with so many deployed service members to the middle east and whose interest are the exactly survey? let's discuss of our panel, kind of rob manice who is a former air force colonel and a radio talk show host as well. scott ritter, a geo political analysts, an officer former us military and un inspector. thank you so much for joining me, gentlemen. on this issue that we've been debating for decades, and yet, here we still are. and what are the same situation? i want to start with you scott, what is the main objective of the united states of station american troops in syria

and iraq in this present time? well, i mean, we go back to your, i guess the beginning, the, the, the carter doctrine of the decision made that the, the middle east is an oil protection of oil supplies are the industry chic national interest of the united states. i was part of the marine corps rapid deployment force back in the 1980s ready to deploy on a moment's notice. i deployed to saudi arabia during operation desert shield, desert storm to respond to i reaction invasion of kuwait, the invasion that we made, the case threatening the, your saudi arabian oil fields in eastern saudi arabia, therefore triggering the need to intervene. and then we sort of lost track and became not so much about securing the oil as um, saving face. we didn't get rid of saddam hussein after desert storm and for the next decade we uh, embarked on policies of regime change using united nations sanctions to strangle

saddam until we could build up a case for war for missed on a lie that got us involved in a conflict in 2003 a couple on that. the global war on terror. 911, f ganna. stan. um, i'll tell you what we don't know why we're in the middle. sort of wrapped in this, in this legacy we, we were there. but the target keep moving and now we're, we're stuck. we, we can't articulate any reasonable premise for having troops in syria. right. we're sustaining them. ok, presidency direct. well scott and i wondering chrome, yes. and this is, let's go back to what you said wasn't really sold to the american people. that the reason why we were sending our troops over there originally was for oil. i mean, i can understand it for national security. i can understand it for, to fight the war on terrorism, tech. vietnam was to fight this run of communism. was it really sold to the american people and did they understand that they were going over there as for oil

and that original intent crow mannus way? scott pointed out, rightly so, the are the original strategic vision of the united states for that area. i had it signing up to the free flow of oil from the persian gulf was the vital national interest for the united states. i was, well before i even the toilet took over. i ran and i believe so. so yeah, that's exactly what the purpose was for the war a to a to, to boost or to boot saddam back out of to 84628. i'm sorry, arabia are kind of our clause i allies that the time to do so that didn't help anybody's case. it was opposing that, but to day to day, scotty is. uh it is exactly what scott just said. we don't really have a mission on the sand in the middle east right now, and those troops should have been pulled out of there. years ago. there should

never have been american troops without the approval of congress in syria where they are still today. then every regime, every, every administration is responsible for not doing the right things that lead to the desk. so those 3 soldiers now week it's debatable about the, you know, the us navy task force that with the coalition now trying to protect for most or shipping in the red sea, from the who, the terrorist and iranian backed the course up. but when we even be there at all with our naval fleet, if we didn't still say that we needed to do things like keep vices from recreating itself after the trop administration completely destroyed it or protect those oil fields in northern syria, protect them for who, from who i mean, they're not doing us any good. and it just raises the, the issue in a positive light. but why we should be going back to being energy dominant because

is none of these places really matter except for, from an alliance perspective nowadays. then they did the back in the day when we said, hey, the free flow of oil coming out of the persian gulf is our vital interest. we did that on the heels of the gas shortages, etc. so the politicians were able to get away with it. but today, there's no emission, those soldiers shouldn't have been there on that the, on that ground. and we should be pulling out right now. unfortunately, it's going to look bad for us. so the generals, i'm sure, advise and present by them not to do it because we just had a bunch killed. oh, by the way, those 85 targets, we hit, we telegraph to the iranians and there were people what we were going to do and where we were going to hit. so we hit a bunch of empty holes, probably the name of the destroyer, but maybe one or 2 percent of their command and control and communications equipment. okay, so that bridge, the question right now is scott, you can is military intelligence just as not making comments as we are warning

those before we strike them. we are, we don't necessarily have a clear mission as to why we're there. so what is the actual thinking and who is actually pulling these triggers to keep the united states in these fields, protecting these oil fields, especially knowing that this series of aaron drum strikes in iraq and against ronnie and proxies. there's heard the, like i said, the iraqi government will, we asked, will ask us to leave following it. what does this mean in regards to the region if americans are ordered to leave, will they actually do so, considering there's not a clearly defined mission at this point. as well, you mentioned military intelligence, you know, military intelligence supports an operational objective and, you know, you'd be able to collection plan you, you, you, you gather information, you assess it and then you, you brief, your, your, your, your leaders, military leaders, political leaders, um, you know, at that point in time, they have to make decisions. uh, you know, this isn't that intelligence driven war is kurt mcmahon has pointed out. um,

you know, intelligence gave 85 targets. but what, what was the purpose of the targets where you test with providing targets that would degrade the mobile relocatable of, you know, targeting or targets the missiles model, missiles of the hoody or were you tacitly providing 85 points on the ground that could be struck and achieve a political objective of appeasing in american audience that was outraged by the you know, 3 dead soldiers. we just don't know. let's look at syria for a 2nd. why are we there? ostensibly were there because i sis originated from serious spreading out through western i react to motor 0 in 2014, down to decrypt. we intervened in iraq with the permission of the iraqi government to form an anti cyst coalition. among of which i need to point out was a ron and the goods for us. there's an iconic photograph taken outside of decrypt,

showing american soldiers on one side of the road and custom sumani and the codes leadership on the other side of the road. because we were fighting together allied against isis, we re took mos all we push onto the syrian border, and now we cross into syria, ostensibly to finish the job. but this is where it gets complicated because to finish the job we had to make common cause. with a kurdish force, the y p g a did this all alphabet soup up there, but they are literally an extension of the p k k. another alphabet soup. but those are turkish curtis groups that we call terrorist. and now in order to fight isis a legitimate terrace group, we're making common cause with a terraced group that we designated. so we rename them the syrian democratic forces . and now we're in this battle, but the syria democratic forces have control over an important part of syria, then this, the, the northeastern part, where oil fields exist,

oil fields that had been sustaining isis outside up. and now we sought to keep to sustain the kurdish forces that we're now or allies, even though they're terrorist. isis has been destroyed. but we were using the curtis forces as a mechanism to achieve an unspoken objective regime change in damascus. we're seeking to remove by cheryl, aside from power. we were using one of the reasons why isis existed is because we turned a blind eye to their creation because we found it to be useful in the process of the stabilizing syria. now we had to target isis, so we had to replace them with something as isis was defeated, the syrian forces began to expand. and they said we were going to take control of the jordanian border and the rocky board. and we couldn't allow that to happen. so we moved into syria outcome for 2nd bastion, where we literally made alliance with the pro i sis siri and tribes in the region. diverting their attention from attacking us to attacking the syrian government. we

are state sponsors of care on siri and soil today in our 3 soldiers who died died in the mission of supporting isis terrorist. we call them something different today, but there isis terrorist for the purpose of getting rid of, by sure all a sudden a mission that the united states congress has not said is a legitimate mission. so the colonel is 100 percent. correct. we have americans service members in arms way dying for a mission that has no constitutional authority. and that's the problem right now because i think i would almost need a diagram for the different groups we're talking about. but scott, what scott brings us a very good point that we are have actually arm some of the same people that are fighting is. so i go to you chrome man is on this. how much does the american people understand? also, how much does a bottom industry should understand as they continue to handle the situation with these we're going to bring in young men into this situation. how much did they

recognize? what is really happening on the ground? oh, dear 2nd question, i'll answer 1st. i think the by the administration and the team running the country fully understand because there are allies of iran. okay. that explains some of the moves that they've made. they are allies of our read that keep in mind what's got just said he just called out the american government, which one of its visions, it says it has to prevent the, the reformation of the isis caliphate. and we're actually allied with isis supporting terrace in this region. think about that. the american people have no idea about that. but the us government does have an idea about that. and those 3 americans died without a mission. the 2nd part of the mission they say is that we're, we're there to enter dic, supply lines of the iranian forces in equipment and, and material and intelligence going into support. how mos, uh well,

what is the last time the united states armed forces in any way, even in special operations? rage did anything to iran's logistics and supply lines through that part of the world. i challenge you to find me one independent report that states that we've ever done that. and that's because we have not done that. we are on the wrong side there. we have our people in harm's way intentionally, and they need to be got an offer that drowned right now. we can reset to a strategic location. we have all the capability in the world to do those kinds of things. and if we need to do things like we're doing in the red sea to protect commercial shipping, we have that capability, but we don't have to put our soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coast guardsmen in physical danger, of incessant and costs that attack from the iranian militias. just because they happened to be there and they happened to be backing the wrong side. okay, we're going to take a quick break because when we come back,

i can do this conversation. i want to interject into the news with israel and what role they're playing, as well as the bottom instruction as they continue to escalate the tensions within the middle of the new media. research deployed here near to nancy kim's in the book is that probably the national should see where it gets to that young showcase in genes. nathaniel. so who's going into the, by the ways that the boys the,

the most new and it'll be for them. imagery of assess florida doesn't want that extra them, but adults up under that. welcome back. i'm sky now. here's an you're watching the 360 view. spring back in our panel, cut off, robert, manage the former air force colonel radio show host, as well as scott ritter, 8 geo political analyst, author, and former u. s. military and un inspector. before the break, we were starting to get into this idea of israel and the escalating conflict that is going on between israel and casa. how is that effected? the dynamic in the middle east, as obviously, as you 1st started out,

scott talk about was a ron. uh, where is that changing any of who are your friends, our photos based on the recent events and developments in israel. the 1st of all, we have to understand that is real, considered yourself to be in a strategic conflict with the wrong. but it's a conflict that israel knows that it cannot militarily initiate and sustain without the assistance of the united states. so one of his real strategic objectives has always been to create a scenario that would get the united states to take the lead. the military action against the rhonda israel could dovetail on the 50 united states determines that the wrong poses a threat to our extra central survival that warrants military actions. so be a, that's an issue the congress should discuss. and um, and then then the american people can, can get behind if that's the direction we want to go. but i, i take umbrage at the notion that the united states goes to war because another nation is, know, join us in that direction without the advice and consent of congress or the

american people. that i'm somebody who spent a lot of time in that region. and a lot of time working with israel, i used to consider israel to be in a friendly nation despite the us this liberty attack, despite jonathan pollard. despite apex intervention in american elections, um you know, i, i felt that we had your common cause in terms of stability. but when you take a look at what israel is today under the leadership of benjamin netanyahu, in this far right wing government. um i, i just think the american people need to reflect on who's calling the shots and it's not the united states government yet. it's american military forces that are being deployed be called into action. and again, if, if we need to go to war, if we need to take military action is united states to protect our vital national security interest, so be it. but we should have an honest discussion about this right now. i just think this entire is really scenario is a of a situation that, you know, israel is foisting on us and we're, we're getting blurred into a trap that,

you know, we may find ourselves with a lot more dead americans and wondering how the heck this happened and that is my concern on this because 2 way r d was, let me ask chrome is do you feel like the american people are being told the truth of what exactly is happening with in the gaza and is real conflict right now. and the role that runs playing and i do feel like we're being told what is actually happening on the ground. the american people are being told the truth about pretty much any subject in these days. got a, i mean it's got the right look. you know, i support the, the, the movement of us naval forces in to the area at the beginning of this, when a moss, the crazy people committed their atrocities on october 7th in order to deter other adversaries and bad actors from entering the conflict. but you know what, that deterrence has failed if it was ever established at all. and that requires the

united states to take a 2nd look at scott said, you know if, if, if we take a 2nd look into the analysis and, and see through iran's actions that they are a serious threat and existential threat to united states. or they attacked their forces. we obviously have a responsibility to respond to that. but we shouldn't be dancing to any other countries to a, even though we support israel's right to defend itself based on this october 7th attack i, i whole heartedly support their right to do that. but they don't have any say in what the united states of america does. we're allied. so yes, we communicate those kind of things. but i mean, even opposed to the us giving any money to israel for this because they don't need our money. what they need is allied support, and that's what we should be doing. but if our deterrence effort failed already, then we just need to be reassessing and figure out what our next steps are. because

we don't want any wider, regional conflict or worse to happen, especially getting the united states. so america and it's force is drawn into a conflict that it shouldn't be in the 1st. well, i hate doomsday. i hate what us scenarios. however, i don't think we properly know here in america to what exactly is capable of countries like iran and israel and it and in the middle eastern countries right now . so i am going to ask you said we, i normally don't ask my guess, i'm gonna ask you scott, 1st, what does a war look like with iran if the united states went up against it? what considering the economic sanctions the us has tried to impose on them over the last few years. what is their actual military capabilities currently? and is this threat that we can to, to hear of a nuclear war? is that something that even a ron would even be considering? well, let's just start off by looking at again. desert storm of conflict of desert shield, desert storm, a conflict i'm intimately familiar with. you know,

we flowed 750000 troops into the region. we were able to do so because we had permissive ports. that means we had friendly ports able to receive our shipping. we weren't under fire, but we could land our aircraft in air fields that weren't under attack. today we don't have 750000 troops to flow into the region. we are, we've diminished our military capacity a tremendously carl, the colonel mentioned the deterrence. you know, the key aspect of deterrence is that the other side needs to be afraid of the consequences of their actions. that, you know, we need to come in and say if you do x, what we're going to do and response will be so horrible that whatever benefit you think you're getting from x will not exist. we don't have deterrence because people are doing whatever they want. and our strikes are not achieving the kind of, you know, horror that they should receive a. so we've lost the church. so now if we go toward the run, understand this,

we will need because the run is not a rock. you run is a very large nation. a run has extremely well did. busy military capability, including ballistic missiles that can sink american ships and they have that potential, they can strike american airfields in the region, strike american bases in the region. we don't have an adequate response to that. we would need 900 to 1500000 american troops deployed into the region to have any chance of successfully engaging and defeating a rug uh strategically. we don't have that one of the things that this who the exercise has taught us about the, the, the bellman deb straight, which is the strategic straighten. the red sea is the us navy cannot guarantee that it can keep it open. and now what happens if you run shirts down the street to her moves for years we've been told by the us navy, we guarantee that the street will be open around. can't shut it down. no, i think you ron can shut it down and we don't have the means available. this is where we have to be careful about allowing

a motion to get ahead of actual capability. we have our military showed grated today that we project a power that can't be backed up with meaningful force. we cannot do an operation. desert storm today, and we would need an operation. desert storm on steroids. to take care of you run your runs nuclear threat. i don't believe that they have a nuclear weapon. who knows what the future holds is real, does have a nuclear weapon. but if we're going to talk about potential is really retaliation . do we run in terms of nuclear, then we have to bring in pakistan. and you know, pakistan does have nuclear weapons in pakistan has hinted that should israel, striking wrong pakistan will strike israel. and this is a whole different ball game of the united states needs. if we're going to get involved in the military scenario, we need to be able to control that from the outset. we need to be in charge. we need to have the capacity to meet the objectives. and today we simply don't, we're in there. we don't know why we're there, we don't know what we want to accomplish strategically,

and we don't have the force necessary to, to do this. it's a trap. and unfortunately, the people who pay the price in addition to the people of the region are those americans service members who honored us by taking a nose to protect us. and we're going to put them in harm's way without giving you know, due diligence to why we're asking them to sacrifice their lives. well. uh, and that's very dire, but i really want appreciate your being honest with this good. i think that's what we need. people need to understand what the consequences of were this generation, especially who did not necessarily see what happened with vietnam and post vietnam, and what the havoc that has reached for generations call man. if i have to ask you a saudi arabia, what role of saudi arabia play if that conflict was to occur as, as the layout that scott describes where it started, right? we are, they still are ally, is it even smart to call them and ally? well, i think they've always been a clause i ally, and it was in their interest to allow us to occupying build bases inside their territory to take care of the desert shield. desert storm situations got pointed

out. but one of the things that 2 of the things that he didn't point out to just now are that we also lack, not just the capability to get this job done. if we go to war with iran, we lack the political will. if we had the political will, we would have destroyed the iranian command, control intelligence, surveillance, recognizance ships that are out in the water. ating the who dees targeting and command control and which targets to hit. and we didn't, we chose not to do that specifically. so we don't have the political will, and if we were to get into an all out conflict, the honor ran proper with all of the requirements that scott just laid out. we would actually an utterly fail. and here's the re, the big reason why not just a political will, is we don't have the military industrial base needed to even keep up with the amount of rounds that the craniums are getting at. and we don't, we are not replenishing our supplies that we expended during afghanistan. and we

continued to, to create more problems for our military industrial base. who can't keep up with the production need to flight the war and ukraine, whether you believe it or not, those are the facts. so we wouldn't be able to last more than about 72 hours to a week. more than likely, if we were to go into and i ran more proper, it would be an absolute disaster and rob chrome in a sense, god, we both do. i think we can all agree. we're just talking about the united states involved. but if there was a conflict that seriously broke out, there's a lot of other countries that have interest to but also be involved and what lines in the sand would be drawn. i wanna thank both of you. we could go on for hours is were just hitting the surface of this issue, but i appreciate you sharing your insight. thank you. thank you. there is nothing more heart wrenching. then watching a family dressed all in black, waiting along the tarmac to receive a coffin draped at

a country's flag of the cargo hold of the airplane. that same family gathered in pride to send their loved one of 2 emission in the middle east thinking they were doing something to help make the world a safer place. now there, here are returns, but instead of being greeted with tears of joy is tears of deep sorrow. sadly, the west does it show these images to the people, or what life is like for the injured in their families for generations. where is the follow up to all of those who started in afghanistan and their stories of what they saw were instructed to do and how life changed when they returned to america. and i think this is all done on purpose, as those are so quit to use the american military to protect their own interests like oil don't want their pause suit as actual human beings. the middle east has always been a powder keg, and unfortunately, it seems as some in the west are waiting for an opportunity moment to strike the

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