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on the ground illusions it would seem die hard, the cross sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, matthew crossed in in washington. he's professor of national security and director of academic transformation of our state university in philadelphia. we have aaron, good. he is a political scientist historian as well as author of american exception empire in the deep state and interest. and we crossed to michael maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst. i gentleman cross bank rules and effects. that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate michael, let me go to you 1st. here. you've been watching the coverage of the amazing transformation of mike johnson, the speaker um, but you know, the, the media received this package for ukraine with great fanfare, as i said in my introduction. but even in mainstream media right now, there's

a whole lot of questions. i mean, you know, is this the 1st, the 1st crunch an over many, many years. what is the strategy? i mean, this isn't the mainstream that we've been talking about it for 2 years now. it's in the mainstream, so this big divergence between the elite and the media and everybody else is just getting greater and greater. michael? yeah, i, i think that the word, this is just, uh huh. it's not going to go anywhere. it's not going to amount to much, if anything, the money is going to replenish us stocks, they're going to be getting the ukrainians, if anything, will get some older stuff. and the russians have already produced 3 times as much, maybe 5 times as much as what the ukrainians would be able to throw at them a it's over the, the war has more, has been over for some time, is just but a question of, of, uh, let's let's pick up and slap and take care and take them up. and, and zaleski has not seen the, the, the, the need to sit down and,

and preserve what's, what's left of the ukrainian people. and i might add that we see about the nato leader such as a chrome, that remains under ro, an illusion. as is united states that this is going to have long term benefits to, to offset russia under some false narrative, the russia is, is on the march. like, like a hitler was. i haven't seen any evidence of any blood streak at all whatsoever. and this is, this is such a vain attempt to, to try and, and recast today in the, in the eyes of that are in the rear mirror of history, which just doesn't, uh, uh, this doesn't jive the united states is i think there's going to change the the desire to have a 10 year iron clad plan that won't be touched by the united states or any president is, is folly. if you have trouble, we and it's,

it's hardly even constitutional. okay. i mean i, it's not, i think these again, this is kind of unicorn and thinking, you know, matthew, the, you know, i've, i've said all along open for the last 2 years. is that obviously this has very little to do with ukraine. what it is, a nato is trying to remove russia from the ranks of great powers that has not succeeded. as matter of fact, it's the reverse right now. the whole point is, is not to lose. it's not to win any more. and that's a really sad comment. for america's great allies in ukraine, matthew a lot, i pretty much agree with i've written for a long time in that sense that if the american foreign policy objective is to just sort of bogged down and distract russia with the current conflict, allow the conflict to expand and continue with no real end goal inside just to simply make them make brush or weaker on in terms of its global presence on the global stage. i think that's all americans left with trying to do. it isn't trying

to recapture territory that's been lost in ukraine. i don't think it can cross up savanski into a bigger type of international statesman. i don't think there's any value in that either. uh, the, the, the only value initially, what's awkward for me is that the united states right now has a value that it can't really publicly profess, right of value is we just want this war to keep going because it's just going to grind up more people. and more power within the russian state, because it occupies them on that front. it's not a very good luck to the guy in the states for the. yeah, yeah. well they, they have people that they, their profession is double talk. i mean, we've seen it on so many friends, some of the last few months. it's not very convincing. i think you would all agree, aaron they, what's also interesting here is that, you know, a cynic would say, and that's my job. and being in broadcast journalism is that this is just the griffith. ok. and they just want to keep it going. and be, you know,

we had the asked in griffin went on for 20 years. a mike was already proud of, you know, maybe we should try that a 10 year plan griffith. okay. i mean, this is, this is a gift for well, it's welfare for the defense contractors. aaron, that seems to be part of the short term gains for some people and some interest, but this is all money that we're creating out of, you know, out of there at this point and adding to the debt. so there is no reason why they're going to try to stimulate the economy that way or inject money into the economy by spending in deficit, you're adding to the deficit that that has to be military spending. it's, it's tremendously wasteful and stupid and it can't lead to, it's not going to reverse the situation on the ground there. and we're stuck between 2 bad facets of the us system, which is number one, the president's think in terms of very short horizons with their own re, elections, invite and seems really not to want to lose before the election and ukraine. i,

i think that does talk of a 10 year plan is purely p r. i think if it is as diluted as they are, they don't really believe that this is going to go on that long. and the other issue is the long term planning of the us, which is not done by people who are elected or responsible public officials. really, they're done by think tanks, funded by oligarchs and serving the different constituencies of the us empire. and as for the decades, they've been pursuing a policy of uno polarity and the other people, the us political system, with the assassinations of the sixties and even watergate, they wiped out any sort of progressive internationalism, or even nationalism in the form of being on the side of american manufacturers and stuff, i think getting rid of nixon was the last bit of that. and so you really had 2 constituencies, the corporate, rockefeller types, and the neo cons and the neo cons. so the ones they want the unipolar world and

unchallenged us. they know the wolfowitz doctrine don't allow any country to get strong enough to challenge the us. they prevailed in the us that have been more for decades, especially the 21st century. they basically took control of us. foreign policy is a little bit of pushback. and like, 06 or 7 just to stop a war with the ron and more to, to have the obama's, you know, deal with iran. that was another case of a little bit of push back against the neo con foreign policy. but they still manage to prevail and they're very intertwined design, isn't it? and the british are a part of that too, because they need the uta fall or us for their model to serve, to be workable at all. it's just a disaster that's, that's long in the making here. and biden's own short term good career goals to be re elected are also a factor, and it's just a sad spectacle. and it's gonna, it's already killed hundreds of thousands of people and it will kill more,

although i do wonder if the army is going to be the breaking point. well, there's a, there's not be able to field an army, there's a growing indications is a lot of insubordination. the soldiers are surrendering or simply running away. but micheal, you know, that there's a bigger issue here, something you and i've talked about for many, many years and it's humorous. i mean nato cannot. ringback stand the fact that it is on the wrong side of history. it doesn't think in terms of security. it does. it doesn't even think in terms of the military, okay. they just think that they have a right to dictate and this was an opportunity again to, to move russia down a few notches and actually it's done exactly the reverse. i mean, they have such a gone their face. this is television. after all, i have to watch my language, but you know what i mean? yes. well, this, this trumped up more was a godsend for the preservation of nato. nato was looking for a, a new new job. basically,

they were look into space. they were looking to the arctic, they were even looking through the far east. they couldn't hold dive now with them . they were, they were also looking for to a, with a girl's education in afghanistan. that was a big one to don't forget. yeah. yes. yes, of course and and, and so this was a godsend for them. it's up in the account as, as, as our colleague points out that came along and out with, in the, in the form of tory newland and, and finding himself i created this because they wanted to contain russia. now here's, here's, here's what's gonna happen. nato is going to find this as, are the new well founded way to exist. and that if, if you create fails, where did they turn? i predict that they're going to turn to trans nice trio, and then moved over area to create more habits. that an effort to contain russia, this is, and i think, i think of the russian planners are seeing this already.

yeah. and, and if israel is to, let's say, get a base in azerbaijan and, and they use that as, as a stepping point to attack a iran. then then this, this just at the united states won't care in the united states once iran to go away as in his present configuration because it now has this next effort to keep nato alive. but if truck for to come in, i think we i'm hoping that maybe natal needs to go away, but you're going to see macro and coming on board. try advocating for a european defense system. and i don't, i don't think that's going over title. i don't know why so, i mean, is there anybody in the you that actually supports that? i mean that's gonna cost them a lot of money i'm. i was thinking, oh, i said, let's remember all we just forgot. there is no cheap energy in europe right now. how are they going to re industrialize without cheap energy? keep going. well, that's the problem. that's the problem because their, their,

their industry is down. if they want it to really a crack down and, and, and help ukraine. they'd have to switch from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. and i'm sorry, some switch from a service economy to a manufacturing economy. and they're not into that. they, they, they ended with 2 years and years. and as you just pointed out, they don't have, they've cut off their own energy supplies for the most part. and what they're getting is, is, you know, quite drupal what they were paying before. so even germany, which was the richest of all the nato countries, and the e u countries is finding that difficult to continue this not. and you're seeing countries such as hungry one or bunk, beginning to talk about it. we need to regain our sovereignty. we need to get out of it. i know it is a busy. you have to surrender your sovereignty to nato. that means to watch, and that's within the plan. all along gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team,

the, [000:00:00;00] the, i'm not sure come on this as maybe a little show, i get this thing. so let me ask him though, as soon as the thompson, non smoker. and you might have stores enough to monday, so stuff with interested in show erica, by a demo print that issue and you're still or do i have to wait a moment?

but that's not. i was me for example, of course the trailer span that we could buy that so i didn't want to buy. right. mm hm. yeah for. 2 much that's what i want to move over here, but as of now, it's particularly that group didn't come around quite inflate them over the place. crazy. nice not chris, is it? absolutely, i'd rather proof of an issue with the much just isn't good. that this is vicky. we will send you the wrong. i'm not ready to feel understood

worse than you when you are still at that shipment with us with the light speed. so you're still going yes. sort of the welcome ex. across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to around you were discussing you create the okay. it's got to matthew back to matthew in washington dc. one of the managers that we have heard here and when, and it's been part of this administration's dna is the, a, a talk receive versus democracy world, world based order. all of these sites, laws based order. but we have this kind of inconvenience coming up is lensky and his term comes to an end on may 20th. there were no elections. so what about the political legitimacy of the entire regime in care of soon?

none of them will have been legally elected to power. go ahead, matthew, to be honest, i think that's the one area right now. as long as there's an active war going on, it's hard to try and profess that ukraine should be. ready being free and fairly well, i mean, the united states, the ukraine would not be in the state that it is without the support of the united states. the united states could a said have elections, they had elections in afghanistan. the united states had elections in 1864, so i'm sorry, i'm not, i'm not into excuses. there's this, but i agree on the sense that that's not really the goal of the purpose and supporting zalinski, right, like united states is not supporting the landscape to make this lensky, this archetype of, of eastern european democracy. i think they are. i think they are. i think they, the time they say it all the time as well you, there's a difference between what we're progressing. we want him to be and what in actuality is happening on the ground in terms of what our support is. meaning to

him on the ground and what he does with that support in ukraine, factual, this is not this, this is not probably not the ukrainian democracy, long term, short term, medium term. and we will allow, this is where the united states off and will get itself into trouble in foreign affairs. it will say it stands for democracy. it says it stands for civil rights and human rights and, and to democratic freedoms. but then as soon as some of that runs a file with its actual foreign policy interests, we focus on the foreign policy interest and the principal, the debates, the principal commentary sort of take the vaccine. well yeah, i, aaron, because 1st of all the electrons have been canceled. the opposition parties have been dispatched and there is only one media outlet that outlet. it's the state of the pack. the orthodox church descent is frowned upon if not imprisonment on the agenda. i don't, i can't see how they can talk about democracy very much. i,

you know, but this was a group of a generally far right kind of ukrainian nationalism that, that characterize this resumed since the us installed in 20 a 14 and war time on the total war only kind of amplifies fast cystic trends in politics. i mean, to put it mildly so i don't know that they're going to rise up and demand democracy . i think they're mostly trying the people that are a, would they be able to stand up to the state anyway? are the ones that are a new military age males and they're running out of them. i don't know that the, i think the election could be used as a way to criticize or to administer his legitimacy internationally. if you're out of a photo of the ukraine resume, but i don't know how much the impact is going to have in terms of the way things operate. it's going to be a dictatorship. but before the, the election, the that, you know,

that deadline passes or afterwards. and they're going to continue to try to mobilize as many people to throw that as me grinders possible until until the money stuff. you know, michael, one of the things that i really worry about as the ukrainian lines begin to waiver in break. and like i said earlier, there's a ample information available that there are a lot of strips that are surrendering. well, obey orders simply running away. i'm more i'm worried about a symmetrical stuff, terrorism, and in other words, we'd seen in the ukraine backed by the united states. they wouldn't do it if the west bit know engaging in these practices here. when panic sets in that kind of behavior will only increase. go ahead, michael. you know, i think that this is all that they can resort to. they have lost the war or they've lost the battle space. and they, they can't even mount

a defense any longer because they're running away from the ink from the at vance as by, by, by russia, internally, a but i don't see rush of holding on. going, going beyond that, what i'm going to be seeing however, is a country such as poland, lithuania, and all these other countries trying to ship away it west to crate. it take back some share of from ancient treaties and, and, and republics that they used to dominate centuries and centuries ago. and this, the and, and, and the nation state of ukraine will no longer exist as a, as an entity, a viable entity. but this, this country has where, under, i'm under no illusion that the so lensky has never been a democrat in thinking. the fact that they didn't hold elections under cut the narrative that were supported into a democracy. it's all, it's all delusional. it's not, it was, you know, it's delusional. and nato is in the same way because many of the nato countries are

acting very, very acting in the same way very, at the democratic and, and, and they don't, they no longer hold the, the principles for which they were established in the 1st place. i mean, it is that they're, they're running a month and they're looking for a new order to retain that paid order that they, that's a quickly losing. and we're seeing the emergence of a multi polar world order. and that's my friend, alexander, duke. and once a talked about when we were together about the creation of a multi paula world order, we're now seeing this happen. we're seeing some 40 nations that want to join a bricks they want to get out from under the dollar. they've had enough of this rules based ordered that is dictated by the us and what and i and those rules are dictated by what the us says. they are on one day. they may not agree. they may not follow them the next day,

but it's all based on what the us the sides and the world is sick of it. yeah. oh matthew, i'm going to do a couple of programs. so over the next few weeks on the following topic, it's going that a data and from different trajectories, are we in the middle of the 3rd world war? as i've actually written, written a lot about this, where i, i try to give argumentation to at least try to say something. what on the optimistic side, what, what is it? oh no, but i mean, it's already been brought up in this program, which i think is kind of interesting. what happens if, you know, is real sets up a base and now everybody's on, you know, rush, he's going to have to react to that. you ran. i mean, you, your quote, everybody's getting slowly but surely pulled in to this matrix here. that's why i think it's kind of interesting and we see different sides of developing. okay. the and very few people get a loud in the middle. that's a very toxic mix. go ahead, matthew. no, it completely is. and that unfortunately world war 3 and actual like being a gen x are growing up in an error when i was a small child,

we were truly worried about nuclear holocaust. and we used to do the elementary school alarm drill. ready and things hide them like when i are a lot older, we went through the same thing, don't worry. okay. but because of the i boss will probably grown up with the idea of that. but in the end that button didn't get pushed. so there's probably psychologically in my own mind, the sense that you probably know, nation or group of nations today would allow themselves to push that button. we could, we could create the framework and create a structured globally that puts us right on the precipice of it. but i still actually want to believe despite my cynical national security heart that no one would be that fundamentally insane. well that's, that's a, that's a really interesting questionnaire. and because i think the, the threshold of being on the threshold, the fear of nuclear weapons has actually been lowered. i mean we, i, i think the policy makers are a lot more cavalier then let's say when michael and i were growing up, you know, during a, we'd be

a mutual mutual destruction. and i think that, you know, there's a people are more of cavalier about it. what do you think, eric? it's hard to say what really is going on at the top of the american state because we all have a sense that we, everyone knows by them is the head of state that everyone has a says that biden is not in charge. and everyone has a sense that the pronouncements of these people like sullivan and kirby and blinking are that they can't be what they really think. and so we're left to wonder really, how much stability our sense there is at the very top. and the best evidence for their being any sense at all is that they haven't blown up the world yet, but that is really, damming them with faint praise. i think we'd have to say and it, this, it gets to the heart of what the us has been doing and how and saying that is to

begin with, which is they want us to rule the world. they realized in the, you know, or around the reagan there, so the neo cons decided that they would really try to take down the soviet union. and then they were successful with financial more and supported civil society in eastern europe, crashing putting countries in debt and the eastern blog crashing the price of oil. uh, getting the royal dinner warrant of ghana. stan, all these things brought down to the soviet union, which some people, even george w bush was saying, we might not want to do this. but dick cheney was even arguing with him publicly at the time when he was the secretary of defense. because cheney represented a more powerful faction, apparently than the president and the neo cons prevailed. and they wanted to go for this unit polar world order would challenge anyone and it alternately, they're running into this nuclear issue. and it's very foreseeable that this is what they're running into. it's what they should have realized would have happened a new train anyway. yeah, in 2014. and they shouldn't have attempted it, it, but here we are. and why if they play breaks midship up to now with this,

we should be worried was leisurely, very, very worried because historically within you, it was michael. historically, hedge funds never give up willingly, and this is what this is all about. they there, there are a vectors around the world challenging his gemini, and the u. s. will not back down. that's why we're, i've um, talked about, are we in the middle of the 3rd world war. we don't call us out yet, but we might be in it, michael. yeah, takes on many forms. we're building up to it. and i think that way, if we continue acting the way we are, don't listen to the warnings of red lines such as risk of putting those pointed out, then, then it what, then that's something that's a catastrophic is going to happen. i agree with you this talk of this blog, today's talk of what we might use nuclear weapons. if they only realize the impact and the force of a nuclear weapon, they would calm down at quick,

lively talking about this as if it was the dropping of some $500.00 pound bomb someplace. it's not this, it's much more devastating and it kills tens of thousands of people and it, and you could, we could, we could see a slow death from it in the what, whatever form world war 3 takes. it could be the use of an e, m p a 20300 miles up exploding to a nuclear weapon up there with us from a satellite. and at the slow depth would occur when all of your, uh, electronics and, and, and your and your other critical infrastructures that rely on these, these. why would that help these weapons exist by ad? so i do and be and because they exist, they can be used gentlemen, we're going to end on that note. i want to thank my guests in washington, rest an ad in philadelphia. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. remember across samples

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