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of freedom of speech, this is one of the small one in liter. uh so if we meet or i to accommodate has also echoed such remarks. and he said that this shows the legitimacy of iran specimens of towards the west. when she is on was only this behavior of the american government towards the student process has shown that just as a finance pessimism towards the u. s. and has supported the slowing down with the united states shelves to everyone to the us. is that complex of these ro look for the us and their relation entities are doing to justify protests against israel, disputed and stuff? american universities, the not sabotage deal or says fly or do anything or anyone. they did not even break any laws. and yet again, they're being treated like this to them because that a score slots everyone has since day one expressed. it's the opposition for the use of force against students and american universities
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. ron's foreign ministry. ers, the west and late march to stop what it called a militarized response to a peaceful protest. now while it was out which to students may do little to save those facing expulsion, it's interpreted as an effective means to amplify the unprecedented wave of pro palestinian rallies in the west since the onset of and does a conflict. these moments republic has offered all kinds of support to try to bring the war to an end from backing that was distance fighters in yemen. iraq and syria was really turned this crew on israel and the why some of the guys of war to its diplomatic attempts to try to bring about a ceasefire and beyond quote enclave and most recently, it's unprecedented missile and drone strike on israel. so essentially it was highly anticipated that one would quickly throw its weight behind such a pro palestinian gesture in the west. vocally telling those students that, hey,
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go ahead and don't worry about the consequences of your actions, because everyone in universities are always here to welcome you with open arms. but interestingly, when we look at the us as was cause incidents instead of listening to the voices of the students, american officials are busy playing a waiting game, calling to for testers, ideological twins of one universals. and we're here to discuss the little guys that have risen up on campuses across america and the liberal, college administrators and politicians who refused to restore law and order and to protect other students. these little guys are disgusting sess pools of anti semitic hate. full of pro, her mos sympathizers fanatics, and freaks the terrace sympathizers in these little garza's art, peacefully protesting israel's conduct in the war there violently and illegally,
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demanding death for israel, just like their ideological twins, the ayatollah is in or on the waiting game continues unabated mainstream media are reporting that the eastern rivals such as iran, russia, and china are co, virtually covertly attempting to offend to flames of the tensions in the west. of course, they have presented no concrete evidence to support their claims relying solely on social media posts. a news reports that express defense over the main mr. friedman, a force of protesters, for example. the chinese government has recently criticized the address as western her pa, chrissy, and double standards while they're wanting for an industry shared cartoon on ex, depicting the police, arresting a young protest or disguised as the statue of liberty. yet western media suggest
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that these posts are part of a co vert seem to perpetuate the turmoil and highlight the bite administration's failure to address public sentiments at home. but the message relates by iran, russia and china is not complicated. they are just saying that the key to preventing further escalation is to listen to the voices of the students instead of punishing them and depriving them of their rights to education. override our t correspondent, use of july, bringing us up to speed here. thank you. all right, i see i'll be this out. most stories at the top of the ok, thanks for watching. and i'll see you again. the called the google drive are time the detention facilities and the guantanamo bay naval base has been the facility where the us department of defense has detained and interrogated. what is redeemed extra ordinary, dangerous people,
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and to prosecute them for war crime. i'm sure i know he isn't on this edition of 360 view, we're going to look at whether the united states can justify the continued operations of the military prison at get. now. let's get started. the united states presents in guantanamo bay, begin in 1898, following the spanish american war. and in 19 o. 3 the united states designated its land in cuba as the name of station the following the terrorist attacks in new york city and washington d. c. on september 11th, 2001 united states opened a military prison in guantanamo bay. cuba to hold suspected terrorist. now since 2002, 779, men had been brought the detention facilities had guantanamo bay. the largest group
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were for afghanistan with saudi arabia and jem, and he's running the top 3 and the 50 nationalities represented. now currently, many of the 779 men have either been released, transferred or died, leaving only 30 men currently residing in the facility. many of these men are deemed forever prisoners because the state department cannot find a single country in the world who would be willing to receive even those men who have been cleared for release. why? well, because these men, despite never being officially charged due to the gridlock, what is happening with the 911 trial are suspected to still have been involved in some way with a terrorist organization. in fact, according to the most recent statistics from the office of the director of national intelligence, 204 of the 676 released detainees are confirmed to re engage or a suspected of a re engaging interest activities. however, only age men held in guantanamo had been convicted,
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and 4 of those convictions had been reversed. no resistance to closing the facilities. a get mail has been mainly republican lead. and despite some minor actions being taken by democrats, when they controlled the oval office, none have made the actual move to completely close the facility. is this because those elect to the office like courage or don't see the facility which was dominated the headlines as a priority? let's discuss with our panel steve gail, host of the steve gail show and political commentator as well as any worthington who was an investigative journalist. thank you so much for joining the gentleman and i wanna start with you. should the united states still maintain the base and that intentions that are going tell them of a well now, of course, and also maybe even president bush and a 2nd time recognizing that they've been a mistake. it should have been close to a long, long time ago. obviously, president obama made efforts to do so that was significant republic and pushed back
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. it's just such a great shame that is still open because it is a legal, moral, and ethical, abomination. and a great shame for the united states every day that it so well, steve, there has been questions regarding the prisoners, i guess now almost as its origination, you actually were there in 2005 as a guest. then secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld in the department of defense almost 20 years later. do you believe you were actually given a true look at the facility at that time? or were you to show the image the day or do you want it? americans to see i think i saw exactly what was there. yeah. what we were seeing from the media at that time with these pictures of, of the grassy fence lines in and out door facilities. but in reality, it was the most modern and present in facility in the world. so what the media was showing was dramatically different than what we were actually saying in terms of the, the conditions, the treatment of the,
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of the chinese and others. i do think that it's a moral ethical conundrum of what you do now that you've had them. how do you let them go? and nobody wants to take them? how do you let them go when they are highest of likelihood of recidivism back because of the terrorism, the activities that got them there in the 1st place. and, and the challenge is, you can't really bring them to the united states where they're going to be subject to the protections of the constitution. if you're going to have a military tribunal, you have to do it somewhere and liked it, or not get most about the only location. lots of a n d, you know, you mentioned that you think that it should probably never been opened in the 1st place. where do you suspect these sorts of suspect a terrorist? possibly even the trial is that go along with them. we're sure. where should they be held? and where should we hold these prisoners? do what to put them amongst the civilian population in american prisons. well, 1st of all, i must stress that of the sides. the men still held 16 of them have been unanimously
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approved for release by high level us government review process is the reason that they haven't been framed. yes. is because of the political difficulty of finding countries that will take them, but it's not, as you mentioned in your introduction because of any associations with terrorism that are attached to these man that's simply not the case. um i, i obviously agree that we all have a problem with what to do with the 9 men who are currently facing challenges. i think 2 of them agreeing to a plea deal, which means that we buy security y'all and we've got the 2nd 6 or 7 man holding one time a month. um 5 man accused of involvement in the non 11 trials, one man accused of involvement in the us as co attacked into size. and the question of what to do with these man is the, is the really sticky? well, you know, everyone else is have that ready really shouldn't be really. now the problem is that the manager commissions that was set up to try these man,
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it tight into the use of torture. these men were all told you and didn't see a black sites. and the problem is the torture is incompatible with the seats of justice. and i think what we've seen with these trials is that they just go round and round and round and as they, they never reach on please. you know, this is a, this is profoundly shameful. for everyone involved, now least of all the families and relatives of the $911.00 victims who are receiving no closure. logistics. so i think the only way to basis for that to be some kind of plea deal whereby these man made to what they are accused. so we would finally get the trip now why they would continues to be how, but would be handled under circumstances where they treated appropriately. and then you know, these are aging men with a physical and mental health problems that are not able to be adequately address the guantanamo. and i think it would be, you know,
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it would be appropriate to see these things taking place as a way of bringing things to a conclusion. like what i'm saying. but i don't know whether we going see that because it, so it remains so politically, topsy. um, particularly, i think for republicans, but you know, for some democrats as well. well, any, i've got a, i've got a follow up with word few question about. if there is nothing concerning about these men, why aren't these other countries willing to take that? why, why would they country, why would these other countries say no, keep them out of my borders? oh, i think those that have been there, ongoing discussions between the state departments in various those countries. i think the reason that nothing has happened yet is because it's products, it can be difficult for the buying and administration, dividing that ministration. you know, there is almost no majority anywhere within the us congress. the lines, the democrats to behave in a way that they don't have to constantly look over the shoulders as to what the republicans are going to do. and because they've,
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republicans have made one time to my such and toxic issue and then it's problematic gold at the moment to do so. i mean, that would give them an opportunity to lead for them to bite that ministration and suggest that the, you know, multi hobbling terrace when what they're trying to do. as i point today, is released in fine view homes. so many we've been unanimously approved for our lease, so it is a pricing issue. i don't think there's anything more to steve a couple of things. first of all, when you are capturing terrorist on the battlefield, you don't have the opportunity to put up yellow police tape, gather evidence, you know, take witness statements and, and prove a case like you would in a normal court of law. so some of these guys that are denying that they had anything to do with that, with terrorism or planning or anything else. it's not a matter that they didn't, it's a matter of. can you prove it, based upon how they were, you know, detained or captured in the 1st place? there was one of the episodes that were described to me when i was in guantanamo
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bay, that there was one of the so called terrorist that was about to be released and, and as he was signing his those papers to leave all of a sudden he reach down for his reading glasses and one of the quick thinking soldiers observing said wait a minute, the lower level of the drivers and guys that were cleaning out the stalls of, of the animals weren't wearing reading glasses. so they ran him back through the scrutiny and it turns out he was a much higher actor in the process than then they thought at that time based upon the difficulty of, of proving anything. i think the other thing is when you have have these folks the fear and it's not just republicans, i think, democrats as well that when they are released, they go back out, go back into the practice of terrorism and you know, if it doesn't matter if it's 30 percent 40 percent 50 percent. every deaf after you left, that guy go is blood on the hands of those who approved it and released that i think it's, it's not necessarily i think the democrats be, or what the republicans might do next. it's what they fear. the terrorist might do
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next. that would be blamed on them. well, a steve and your former life. i know that you're an attorney, so i have to ask you, what rights do these prisoners have? they are obviously from other countries and majority of them here in the united states, not saying you know, that what, what are they guaranteed as well? that's why the big challenge is once you let them step foot in the united states, start going through the court process. and the us, in, in most cases, they're going to be granted the protection because of the constitution, even if they've performed their terrorist activities. you know, somewhere else around the world. that's been one of the justifications for having military tribunals which have been historically how these kinds of situations have been handled, you know, for, for century. so you don't bring them in to the typical court of law because that, that opens up a whole pandora's box of what rights should they get? what rights are they entitled to? and how would they abuse those rights?
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keep in mind again when i was in the contact about the soldiers, there were not wearing their name tags on their uniforms because in some cases the attorneys are these terrorists were getting the names of those that were the jailers. and then somehow they were, they were getting identified and they were getting threatened. so the soldiers couldn't even wear their name tags when they were at guantanamo bay for fear the risk themselves and their families. these are very difficult, a difficult and different set of defendants than any else in the world, including anywhere here in the united states. well, and, and the, i'm going to ask you now that the united states supposedly, is out of iraq and afghanistan at least officially does to us still have jurisdiction to hold prisoners from the region. well, clearly it shouldn't, but you know, i mean there is so many issues going on. yeah, i mean, you know, no one is in any day that the small number of the people held at guantanamo been associated with terrace. in many other cases the people that were sent to go and
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turn them. uh what? 5 foot soldiers they were not tyrus in any sense they had gone jock, janice, than to fight with the town of and against them. the lines before the $911.00 at the time. and afterwards they were swept up in so many of these people along with, you know, a lot of completely innocent people rented that by mistake, ended up before and tenement. so a soldiers they should have long ago been released and a because the conflict with which they would seize, i jumped to an end, but especially following the withdrawal of the united states from afghanistan, they should have been the problem. is that the position this taken by, you know, parts of the administration and, and parts of the united states government is the, is the associations that these man, the allegedly had with outside the, per se. so even though the how stands is to come through with that. so, you know, these are claims that they stayed in and out. how you doing, affiliated, guess 102122 trips 3 years ago,
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which are supposed to justify carrying on holding that? i think does that sense simply intolerable? and i think that it, you know, it is part of the problem. but that is involved with the establishment of guantanamo in the 1st place. what the united states did so fundamentally wrong me, was to insist that they could hold people without charging the trial without any rights whatsoever. and failing to recognize that the only 2 ways of depriving people of liberty lawfully is to judge them with a crime and put them on trial or hold them as the prisoners of war and to the geneva conventions. so trans, 2 years on we still stuck with this foundational problem in the front time about this, it was a prison established a strict people of that, right? so, so i must say that you know, those 60 men who are awaiting release and they've been waiting for years. and the reason they haven't been for you, it is because of the decisions but we're taping to release them were purely
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administered. in other words, the low is not involved, they cannot go before a judge to ask why it sees the united states that it no longer wants to hold them any still doing so. they are exec, essentially, prisoners of the executive. and you know, and i have to say that the shameful thing, after 22 years is the present with a man who enrolled there at the d at the beginning. what brought there explicitly to be held with that rights is a place west spill man, that the united states state says that it doesn't want to, i'll still remain as fundamentally with that, right? so say, well, i went on the day that was nice and you know, and that's, that's just shameful. i'm, that is my way of dress. bring it up in any other way that is just shape as a single stave. and i appreciate you both and being on hold right there. did you know there is a tie between a recent contender for president and the death of 3 in mesa at guantanamo bay?
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well, let's dig deeper after the break with our panel. the ok. welcome back on sky on hughes, and you are watching the 360 the the worst loss of life. the detention facility occurred in june of 2006. this is one of the 3 inmates were found hanging from their necks, with hands and feet bound with rags and their throats. a 27 year old member of the judge advocate, general corps, and the most junior jag and the camp was assigned to start collecting the additional evidence, which will later be used in the investigation. that officer lieutenant ron at the
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santas, and what he collected and saw would later be used to concur with the base commanders assessment that the 3 prisoners had killed themselves as an active, a symmetrical warfare, wage against the us. we are back and going to continue our discussion about the relevancy of the detention facilities ad guantanamo bay with steve gil hosted steve gill. so and people come to her and any worthington who was an investigative journalist, see, i'm gonna start with you the segment because advocates for those being held at guantanamo bay, say that there are some inconsistencies and contradictions with that specific case of the death of the 3 prisoners, do you think a governor randa santas would have been successful in his quest for the g o p nomination? this could have been made an issue for him. i think it would have certainly deserved the 2nd, but yeah my, i thought as you were describing that as did the did, ron also investigate the jeffrey epstein just in the in new york president just on
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its face the terms of, of that the investigation sound sounds a little weak and again, it sounds like a top down ordered investigation rather than a real thorough investigation. well, andy, now to the present time, do you actually think the entire facility should be shut down? or you can you find any purpose for it in the future? no, i mean that i can find no purpose for its existence. and i think you know, the fact that no prison that has been sent to go and sign them by since the spring of 2008 is a pretty resigned. and sign really is i'm a power water by the idea or it was, you know, we had 4 years of donald trump. we started off and sees the asked if he's saying that he wants to send men that you know, and even with the, the people surrounding him, you know, who, who long would have. so why same professor to have to? he's a drive to, to expand guantanamo. it's fairly tough with bad guys. obviously the way it came
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time was that was, that was sensible, was, this is a failed failed institution. it's a file of experiments. it has the, it isn't able to deliver justice to people only to have it done. so as it's histories deliver various forms of children and views, which have been proven embarrassing the united states government. so i think it's absolutely time for it to close. as i mentioned earlier, the problem is not so much the men who have been approved for at least these men should be freed and they should be free this quickly as possible. the problem is the man who have been charged with serious taxes terrace, of which they were a handful of man and the tri system that is supposed to begin to bring justice to them is broken. and so the question is, what happens to these man? now, you know, i think we can all remember back in president obama's 1st time in office. there was a proposal to bring these men to a federal court in the sub and knew why they would be prosecuted. and the bottom uh,
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unfortunately i think backed away from that and the, and the huge amount of inputs there's, i'm putting them back in guantanamo where this managed commission system doesn't. what so, i mean, is it possible that we would eventually end up with some kind of leadership that will be prepared to say, let's bring these men to, to the united states, mainland, to prosecute them letters and the story. that's the only other way the story ends, other than, as i said, you know, the 3 deals that have been discussed for several years now with these men, all the reality, as it is now, which is bad and nothing happens, the warehouse being grand, panama, the rest of that lives they get more ill that not looked at that and you know, at some point down the line may be decades. now i'm the last of these people at guantanamo for whom just this was never delivered in any way. you know,
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di and the i'm, the person is open, i mean, those are the options as far as like, well, any, you know, i keep the overman does not necessarily agree with you that needs to be shut down. in fact, he says he believe trump should be arrested, and he should be detained and get mount. let's take a lesson. if he is not on the presidential ballot in november to chaos and bedlam, his lawyers have told the supreme court, that is what boy and sou, if it does not do what he says, trump past, the caustically threatened the supreme court of the united states. it is time, detain him and send him to get mo, like any other terrorist. that's the oh steve, could we ever see a time when a get mo, could house domestic criminals like as been to say like, accuse trump or even those who have been convicted for their part in january 6th, which by the way, in modern times are kind of at the same place as those prisoners and get low,
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who's been there for so long. they haven't been charged or convicted either yet they're american citizens a. yeah. and they're facing jail time, with no payoff for 11 to the trespassing at the, at the capital is the video now share those the capitol hill, police waiving them in the opening the doors unlocking them. so i think there is a valid comparison to the mistreatment alleged at guantanamo bay, and the actual mistreatment of the january, 6, that prisoners who, again, being held without bail for years is, is that certainly an affront? the justice. i think the document needs to be careful though, if uh, threatening the kind of attacks on the supreme court that he mentioned apply to being detained. it gets low, then they need to make some room for chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and some of the other democrats who made the same kind of threats towards the supreme court justices when they don't like the rulings that they issue. i think the only thing you can really use one time of day going forward is if you just develop an actual system of these military tribunals to try not just but soldiers is and you
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mentioned. but, but those are actually the leaders, the perpetrators, the planners, that the end, the funders of terrorist attacks around the world. but i don't know that that's in the offing, or that they can still get through the minutiae of what you have to deal with for military tribunals to be conducted in a way that would be seen as a fair, transparent, reasonable, as, as justice and, and with respect to some of the, the torture that are in the reference. i would agree with him, but you don't use torture as a punishment. you don't use it as a means of, of getting club justice. the only justification is if you're using harsh questioning to prevent the big terror attacks. and if, if water boarding can prevent the death of hundreds or thousands that i think most people would say that's justified if you're doing it just to hurt them and punish them. that's not interesting. so andy and our final last last 2 minutes. do you think the remaining prisoners a get mail? are you optimistic that they're ever going to be given a fair trial or they're just going to be detained?
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to definitely yeah, i mean, i'm not sure, i mean, you know, as i was saying that they are in the options. it seems to me as, as a play deal, which involves and not being able to stay at one side of an old old efforts and made to bring them to the us mainland. and i must say, and you know, just in terms of prosecuting terrorism, be the other thing that's very clear throughout the whole of these 22 years. and it was evident throughout the whole of the bush administration. was that if you want to successfully prosecute people, it uses the terrace and the federal court. so the way to do there have been hundreds of successful prosecutions of terrorism in the federal courts. and since $911.00 they carried on to every administration. those other ways that and from that terrorism should be prosecuted and the fadia to do so at guantanamo is just one most sign of the,
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of the absolutely failure of the low end of justice when it comes to that facility . you know, and all of these, uh, uh, such compelling reasons for why it should never have been opened and, and really everything that it's possible to do to bring it to an end is absolutely necessary or anywhere i think, to steve gill. thank you so much for joining us. we will see what the future holds for getting o, possibly in the next administration. with a less than a month in office present obama, an attempt to fulfill a 2008 campaign promise, rushed to free 19 detainees from the prison at guantanamo bay. now, 6 of these prisoners were released to uruguay, a country which is proven to be a terraced haven, as their laws actually prohibit the monitoring this, the right and surveilling and opposing travel restrictions on detainees, all because of their refugee status. now, with the current crisis happening at the southern border of the united states and the lack of accountability of knowing who exactly is coming into this country,
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it is not unreasonable to ask, could americans, not only we'd be letting terrace across the border, but more importantly, terrorist who had a known grievance against the united states because of actions which might have been committed to them while the change in question to get. now, we might never know the truth about what actually happened to the prisoners i get now. but considering the reinstatement of those released prisoners had been linked back to the death of american soldiers. does this prove some and the american government value, the treatment of terrorist over the safety of their own citizens? i'm say now he's and this has been your 360 view of the news affecting you. thanks for watching the .

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