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the power button want you to know the show is now daily. and i also want you to know that when it comes to the show, we hold no punches. so look for a trip. um, number one, us military industry ticket in the hi deer during the vietnam war. it has never looked back tooth, bottom number 2, the man at the helen who spearheaded that whether he meant to or not. it was richard nixon. truth. bottom number 3, he went to china with thing taken by russians. who was the next and we're talking about it. i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact. the look fact is no matter where you are in the world, you've probably heard the name mix. richard m nixon. richard middle house,

next and tricky dick. or just mix up as history has come to now him, he is the president who met with the chinese and the russians. and some strange way was the 1st affords real relationship with both look at this video with a mr. nixon and lynn impression of the what's the, what's the they're going to take a drink and mr. president says, no, you drink 1st and then mix and says no, you're in 1st, then he says, no drink 1st and they sit there and stare each other. kind of an interesting scene between 2 very interesting man. this thing plays out in such an interesting way. there it is, and who's going to try and come on? what are you drink? okay. 5 presidents takes the 1st step. so yeah, that look,

if ever there was a really complex figure in modern american politics. it was, makes him who by today's standards was, was a liberal and you have framed by history as a right winner by liberal. well, think about this. it's because of next and that we have free health care for everybody over $65.00. title line, stop, gender based discrimination, gender based discrimination, the environmental protection agency. he also signed the into law, the endangered species act, the mammal protection that and the clean air act. however, it was also kind of nutty when it came to his hawkish and this and i mean, hawkish, this has proven by really a horrible record when it came to vietnam. and some remarkable wise that he told during the war in vietnam as well. still, he's the most fascinating man who may have charted the course for where we are today in terms of us relations with china and with russia and we live in america

and with a ron headquarters, the whole world. now i could sit here and tell you all about mix it, but that would be pretty damn board, right. so instead, what do you say? we hear from nixon himself. he died in 1994 so we can bring him back in interviewing. although i'm sure he'd come the mostly he was still hated by americans when he died. and that is why he spent most of his post presidency trying to justify himself. here is when asked about that by ted koppel. the question seems to be that somehow you disqualified yourselves, not a question. the criticism seems to be that somehow you have disqualified yourself from being failed estates. well, i understand the criticism, but i also understand that in today's world, it's important to hear from people who have experience in world affairs. i don't have something to say that needs to be set. and in my last book to seize the moment, i try to do that. and i think it's very important that i do continue to do that. or

would it be easy for me to do like a many other farmer officials to spend my time relaxing, playing, golf, playing birds, and that sort of thing. but as far as i'm concerned, when i have so little time left, i want to use every minute of it, sharing my views to the extent that they are useful with others. whether they disagree with them or not. i think it's important now that we hear all of us we can possibly get so that we make the right decision, etc. because what ted koppel was actually saying them, there was, every time i have you on the air, people who write to me during college and they say to me, why are you having this cloud on the air? we hate it, and we don't want to see them on tv. i mean what, what a think this was a 1994. it was a different country back then. joining us now is in fact then come all like he's a lawyer who you see right there who focuses on international law and labor. we also are joined by jeremy cruz. we're off, he's a managing editor of covert action magazine. my thanks to both of you gentlemen.

for joining us, maybe we start with that one. we've got about 7 clips that i'm going to play of richard nixon, which says a lot about him about the times and about our world even today. we'll start with that one. and then do you a mix in almost died being still disrespected and thought of as a really bad guy? was it? well i think it to you compared to i think as far as presidents go, i think he doesn't stand out to me is uniquely bad. as you say, he was liberal in some ways and not liberal because he wanted to be. it was different times people were demanding more and you gave him some of those demands. you know, he wouldn't even signed a national health care, you know, medicare for all except the a f l. c i o opposed it. because that was one of the things they organized their people, how much more liberal yeah. how, how more liberal can you be. but again,

part of it is the times, but he was, you know, the one thing interesting about him was that he was susceptible to protest. uh, he was concerned when people thought about yes. and famously it appears he was thinking about new king vietnam. and there is a major protest, one of the biggest ever piece protest and us history that, that was organized to oppose that. and it seems to have prevented him from doing that. so yeah, he's an interesting character. let me, let me just let me jump in there since you're talking about vietnam and the protest i want to, i want to play a club for you. let's see, we've got this one queued up for those of you who don't recall, or maybe to remember cuz you're too young nixon's biggest social nemesis during the vietnam war was none other than jane fonda. she was against the war. and i'm like most of today's stars who stay out of politics. she didn't, she went as far as she actually even went to be at now to make her point at here's

nixon's take on her jane fonda. i don't question that most, jane fonda and randy clark one to bring a war going. and just as i wanted to bring a to an on his johnson one to bring a 2 and a half. but in the other hand, what they did gave aid and comfort to the enemy by causing division in the united states by causing more support against the war in the united states and above everything else. by encouraging the north vietnamese to hold on. like when you hear jane fonda say, i hope that nixon is defeated and so forth. well, you can see what that does to the north vietnam age. as a lot, sat across the table from henry kissinger, they're going to say, well, maybe we'll be there for you to we'll wait for mcgovern, i believe, made as a result of what jane fonda and ramsey, clark and others who went over there. who said they went for the purpose of stopping the war as a result of what they did, they prolonged it and they were responsible without intending it, but they were responsible for the deaths of americans were killed. you know,

it's funny, jeremy, i've heard that we've heard that term since it became very popular after he use it . well, you're giving aid and comfort to the enemy. when you criticize america, i don't know your thoughts as well. i think if anyone for long the war it was richard nixon, it's been well documented that he sabotaged the peace agreements and 1968 in order to gain an edge and the election. because if the war with them and they were peace negotiations and reinvent, you shall see it means will either. and for jo, hubert humphrey with democratic nominees. and if those piece agreements went forward, you know, cuz he was campaigning. that he had a secret plan to end the war and the democrats ended the war that was under cut his campaign. and he actually threw. busy the wife of clair chanel, all of the former pilots. huh. madame, should you sabotaged the peace agreements? they could have signed it and 68 and saved thousands of lives. and then he has the

golf into a cue. these piece active as of prolonging more people. that's the thing, but the think about mix a he, he did some really stupid things, he was so hawkish and he lied through his teeth for about a lot of the stuff he did in vietnam certainly allows him getting bodya. but at the same time, there's something about him that seem like a guy who got it, the kind of guy we almost dare i say, need today. maybe it's a common sense. here's another clip. then let me throw this one at you. even though nixon was known for his trip to china, it always seemed to me that he was really taken up by the russians like he was fascinated by everything having to do with russia. here's a clip on that. we have to understand the world as it is. russians and americans can be friends. and everybody must remember that we were friends and we were allies to russians. and americans were worried about the governments of the

united states. and the soviet can never be friends because our goals are totally different from what we have to do. that is to find ways to deal with the russian leaders as much as we can as russians, recognizing also that is communists. that they do not have our best interest to put it mildly in mind. see, i don't think there's another president in my lifetime that when i hear him speaking, i glean and i pay attention. i wanna, i wanna hear what this guy has to say because i still find them fascinating. like what he was talking about there, dan, to you. yeah. well again, it, it, when he listen to that, at least he seems enlightened compared to current standards where the, yeah, it's, it's fashionable to basically condemn all russians to condemn russia as a country even though it's not communism anymore. but some people,

so it is right. right, some of the many do and he was able to at least make that distinction and, and again, just to point out, we used to be allies. now there's this almost revisionist history that the tries to down play the fact that we were alex in world war 2. for example, reagan played that game. remember he? he met with chancellor helmut kohl in germany. and he said, uh, you know, the, the germans, you know, and the americans, we've always been on the same side. remember that it is crazy. and again, the world with the russians plays, it's a so we just played a world war 2 and defeating the nazis is now being if not completely denied, certainly down played in again at least. nixon recognized what his store understood . i wonder jeremy, what was was, was mixed in just one of those guys like our grandfathers and maybe for this we can blame them. our grandfathers and our fathers who just came from

a generation where they got to be the bad guys. and we gotta be the good guys and that's just the way it has to be like, you know, your most sense is cold war warrior. been polity in him, which i forgive him for. but i can't forgive a guy like buying me for that. it's like, damn it by new should know better, nixon. i understand why you think that way. am i wrong? and i can see that. yeah, i mean, i think mixing, those cor was number 2 and this, you know, they call them tricky dick. and you know, he made his career and the alger his case and you know, i think he was good at playing the media and sensing the public mood, which i think in the seventy's. yeah. there was, there was a vietnam war. he saw that there was a more, you know, for a kind of ratcheting down the cold war, and that's why he adopted is the top policy which is very sensible. but in the late forty's early 50, the move of the exact opposite. and he played the beautifully in the alger hiss case, where he made a show whittaker chambers was, is at

a crime in those who claim to elder his was a key figure in the state department who had been at the altar accords with this the roosevelt administration that they signed a cooperative agreement with the soviets and issues of being a russian spy. and you know, whittaker chambers was the key witness. and nixon went with the video cameras to chambers farm and he. busy came to a have these documents and they made a big scene before the media and a nursing. these documents that the chambers of buried and this was all played up before the media and how his was a spy. so he played that master flights that propelled his political career was a little bit what? because because because, because let me just add this and i'll let you continue, but everything back then what seemed to the prism of good and bad and good was a bad was anything that looked or smell like communism. it was a really simple world to figure out back then. that's what makes it so difficult today. there is no communism. well,

there's communism in the minds of some crazy republicans and stuff, you know, everybody's a communist, but that's about what the reality is. back that it kind of was and that's, it was a simpler time because of that, the, the new see what i'm going up there in this i, i agree with you. i mean, this is, you know, coming in the aftermath of world war 2, where america is on the side of the angels. and they'll, that generation believe that america was always right. and communism was evil. and then no shades of gray and diction. you know, certainly believe that himself and he also, i think sense they the public moves and you really play the 2 great political effect, particularly in the algae or has a switch catapulted them to star them. yeah, he was elevated to the presidency. yeah. and i could even play the check or speech, but i, well, let's talk about what makes it hated the most. okay. nixon hated the most, the media and the leads something about it leads that because he wasn't one of them that made him just always talk about those elite is like the kennedys, for example,

let's listen to mixing on that. well russia at the present time is that across the room, it is often said that the cold war is all over. and the west is one that that's only half true because what has happened is that the communists have been defeated . but the ideas of freedom now are on trial. if they don't work, there will be a reversion to not communism which has failed, but what i call a new despotism, which would pose a mortal danger to the rest of the world. because it wouldn't have be effective with the virus or russian imperialism. which of course, has been a characteristic of russian foreign policy for century. the west, as the united states has all those who want peace and freedom, the world a great stake in freedom, subsea the interruption. if it succeeds, it will be an example for others to follow. it will be a corporate china, for example. if it fails, it means that the hard liners in china will get a new line. they will say it fail there. there's no reason for hostetter marks.

that's part of what is in the state. now obviously we play that one out of place. i thought we were going to put the sound bite of next and talking about the, the media and leads. but i love that sound bite that we just heard right there. that's nixon describing what, what happened after the soviet union shifted into the russian federation. and then i'll let you take that one. yeah, well, there's a lot of impact there. you know, when he talks there, he sounds like, you know, are politicians today. you talk about, you know, a fears of russian imperialism when i don't think that that's an accurate, you know, for trial of the russians. i don't think that, you know, they are expansionist actually, and they just want to feel secure on their own borders. and nato is guaranteed that they don't. so uh, but again, he sounds very much like what we're hearing from people like by but, but, but,

but that was the domino theory that with that what you, what the, that's what everybody thought. but the domino is we're going to fall and the russians were going to started. they were going to june joined by the chinese men to be an amazing, before you knew it, the whole world. we're all going to be a bunch of comedies, right? i mean, the, remember you yeah, he's discussing rush after the collapse of the soviet union though. so even, you know, so this is after communism in russia. so that's what you will frank lock. right. i'm actually here, but i'm sorry, i didn't mean interrupt, but he was stuck but yeah, sadly that where the where the media and, and air boxers did you expect? but the other thing i want to say is he talks a lot about freedom and despotism. but let's face it, here's a guy that helped overthrow the government in jail like the democratically elected government of the end a and important power, fascist. yeah. going to check and he signed up any kind of, i mean he didn't really assassinate, i am the but we kind of assess them, you know? yeah, they mean he died because of bots. so i mean,

i don't think there's another way to look at that. let's pick it up with jeremy when we come back or to take a quick break. and then i want to play that sound about media elite is and how much nixon just aided those people. you know, it's kind of an interesting argument that still somewhat reverberates today. advert sanchez, this is direct impact. i'll be back on my guess in just a minute. stay there. the nights, largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multiple work india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions for react the

the conversation about another record. if this were another richard richard nixon, farmer present united states, joining me is jeremy guzman. he is the managing editor of covert action magazine. and also dan kamala. he's a lawyer and focuses on international law and labor. all right, let's get to what nixon reviled. what he hated, i talked about this earlier, hated the media for what he feels i did to him and he hated the leads. here he is talking about that you can break past the official structures and get to see the people and particularly the people, not of the lead class, the elite class. this is the same all over the world. they go to the same parties and they drink the cocktails, etc, and they, they have the same small based characteristics and frankly, called, or have many friends among them. they're not my district to you. but if you can get

down and you'll meet the shopkeepers and the workers and the students and the rest, really get the talk to them. you'll find that there is out there a great common bond bring this all together. and now i'm speaking a bit. you know that this is always a fascinating conversation to me. i mean what, what, what makes someone an elitist, as opposed to just somebody who worked hard in is very educated. there's there, there's people who are just, you know, almost intellectuals or pseudo intellectuals are not necessary elite is to get the brand also. so help me figure this out. jeremy, what, what, what was he trying to say? do you get them to? well, i think this is a strategy maybe that, you know, preview is what we see in donald trump. and don't forget, you know, roger stone was one of his advisors and he made, he wants to make like he has a common bond with common people against easily this knobs. but if you look at a lot of his pa. busy says he's not really,

really the friend of working people. busy so, i mean, he's moving, okay, yeah, there's some liberal policy that is extending from the new deal and great society or, but in other ways, you know, he's a traditional republican and you know, he adopting very militaristic foreign policy. that's the the money from social programs and you're not really raising taxes or adopting a left wing pa. busy llc, ease or pro labor policies. so it's more and act way. i see it and that's how he really made his political career. uh but, but it's a funny, but it's all, it's all the work or really literally it's a winning that, i mean, he may have been one of the last to do it. but i mean, just go to the people and say they're all at latest. i'm not, neither were you let's band together and get rid of those sons of. you know what, dan? yeah, well it sounds a lot like donald trump does any when he talks about the leads in the media. i

think he felt misused by the media. he was not had somebody did not have the, the, the charm and the career of, of a john f. kennedy. i think he resented that. i think a lot of his talk about the leads came from that he just felt like, you know, he had that state and he'll want to have dick nixon to kick around anymore. and i think a lot of his and i lead talk came from a feeling of uh, you know, feeling insecure and, and um, you know, again, not being immediate darling darling. he never was when he was president. and he certainly was an after you know, but again, we see, you know, a 48 or he kind of foreshadows a trump in those statements. yeah. although to be fair, he was a hard travel guy. he did not come from a rich family. he had to pay his way through college, not have a rich daddy. and he, this was really personal for him. and i think a lot of this had to do with the categories. he couldn't stand the categories even though he said he was friends with them. and they would definitely as elitist as it

gets. now let's look at the media. gary is talking about the media. remember when he was president, the media was really in its heyday, not like today. very few people respect the media today. back then they did. it was cronkite and the new york times, etc, etc harry, reason or he never quite got no. busy did they really get him? i think i think i get him, but i think he, the 3 of us probably understood mixing better than most of the people in the media did that day back then. maybe they never really tried. let's take a list. if i make a farewell address, i think i would warn against the media the latest complex. do you think that the 1st amendment has been misused or abused by reporters? oh, no question about the issue is basically as a license but let's face it. sullivan versus new york times as an effect, a license to law high because they can tell them to improve print on truth,

which some of them to consciously do. if it's going to sell newspapers or what have you ever win a prize? and then they can always get behind the barrier. but under that case of saying, well, i didn't intend an e mail or so i had no malice. what do you, what do you, what do you think of that jeremy, his, what do you think of his comments? on the media as well. i think there are a lot of parallels. yeah. with the media coverage of donald trump today. i mean there was a lot of hostility to. busy and then the media because i think he came across maybe to some and certain classes of people is kind of crew and he was the this of president. so, you know, uh, i think some of the statements he made may have been off putting his style of politics. they saw him as may be a kind of slimy character. so i think there was that the m, the t between him and the me that was real just like we see today with donald trump, where the media clearly has. and then for trump, yeah,

probably for some of the same reasons as nixon. and i think they're also elements in, in, in the so called deep states that want to take nixon down just like trump, in part also because of the daytime policy with russia and china. uh, you know, and especially the far right. you know, there's, there's literature that demonstrate that watergate was a cool of the far right against nixon. want to prosecute the cold war when he was rach, are you down? and there are elements you want to take down because he was, you know, meeting with him, a doctor as hostile policy towards russia. the neo conservatives would like and elements and the c i a c, e, v. i'll tell you it's um, which when you think back of the man and what he met and what drove him and what moved him. i think he's one of the most fascinating characters in our history. certainly. and in our presidential lifetime, and a lot of it, i think interesting because of who he was, what drove him, both the good and bad,

his demons as well. and that's why i think richard nixon, in, in a sense, still lives in what we are today. so it's a great conversation. thank you so much to, to jeremy and then for joining us and for taking us through that. thank you gentlemen. up before we go i, i want to remind you of our should really, it's simple, this side of the world. we've got to stop living and these little boxes just don't live in boxes to slip everywhere. and that's what we try to do here to look everywhere. public sanchez, this is direct to the,

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