[000:00:00;00] the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. western relates endlessly declare they are virtuous because of their so called values. the assault on the palestinians destroys the midst of their virtues and reveals they have no values at all. you know, this is the case when they say, i believe in free speech,

but the pro stuck in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in the kitchen, or we have robert by tina. he is a journalist as well as author of settler colonialism in palestine and cashmere. and until then we crossed to mohammed mirandi, who was a professor at the university of doran, cried filming cross cypress, and effect. that means you can tell me anytime you want, and i always appreciate why don't let me go to it for you 1st here, you're our resident in the fishbowl. so you're, but your opinion is very valuable to us. the us house passed a bill that would conflate criticism of israel with anti semitism. i thought when you became a member of congress who took an oath to the constitution, or am i getting something wrong to? this is the constitution of the united states, and i hold it up and people say, there you go again. i peter, i don't even know how to tell you that this week i'm finding myself aligning with

people that i swore i would never agree with. as of the time of day, jerry nod lettering adler with jerry nod, learn who was a mighty congress person who, who is devoid of any even scintilla of reality, is as a jew or a member is saying, anti semitism is a violent or excuse me, probations against the slot the for the i the issue, the bad you semitism is against the notion of a breeze please. it's unconstitutional. i just heard you're not gonna believe this from the n y p, the police counter intelligence unit, a woman say that she's concerned about. i d is being discussed on campuses that deal with terrorism and get this people wearing scarves, head and bands associated with terrors. i'm going to get is this a coffee? yeah, i think he what is happening?

one minute we have the n y, b, d r, resting no one for anything. now we're talking about id ation. thought, and it's one last thing. it's not the thought police i worry about is the 5 digit land to use. because if you watch fox news, oh my god, and because what, what country am i live? well, yeah, exactly. mohammed and so then again, you know, there were, uh, the rules based order. uh, they liked to echo, but look what they did to the students at the university of california, los angeles. they allowed vigil land teeth. they come in and clear those students using extreme force. and from what i understand, the police were either not there, or they just watched professor, as you know, what is amazing is that the united states and it's western

allies. they don't seem to recognize that the world has changed. people see what's going on in new york, on campus at columbia university. they see what's going on in u. c. l. a while people in the united states are in the east coast may be a sleep. people in asia are watching the video video and he's crush the protesters. so the united states and the europeans, not only are they violating all of the principles that they pretend to support, and not only is this rule base order, very different from what we are told that was supposed to be to be. but the united states and europeans are destroying their own soft power. they've already destroyed it yet, but they are dirt their main street, making sure that nothings left. a toy as early as the same robbery, as we were captivated and rightfully so. what was going on with these anti war

anti genocide? what's called? it's called them what they should be called. okay. pro test. we had visa slaughter continue in concert. so it's very interesting. we said, all we see is the use of force without any legitimate backings to it whatsoever. what is real is that is doing is genocidal. and what the police are doing in the united states were breaking the law on so many different levels. and then you have the prime minister of israel, coordinating, it seems like official them in the united states, the what the, what to do about of crushing defense against his country and his regime. you can't get it. you can't make this stuff up. robert know you can't and it's kind of shocking to think that in the year 2024 people are arrested for opposing genocide. and this idea of the uh, the ad type is real participants visual. be able to submit a, this is, this is and has for a long time, because even before it could've been caught in

a fight and lost the professors are afraid to talk about it in your class. if they're talking about a colonialism, maybe they're talking about canadian colonialism, certainly, or quoted as ned states. and if they ask their students, can you give us an example of colonialism? if they say yes, israel and palestine, they can get in trouble for that. it makes students feel uncomfortable, well, if you're in university, you're going to be a comfortable sometimes it just comes with the territory because you're gonna be learning different things of being exposed to different ideas. so being uncomfortable, it's not criminal. then as you mentioned, benjamin netanyahu tell gunite it states that they have just to, to squash these or crush these, these protests who is the leader of any other country, let alone one that's been declared. and a part i presume by, by several very respect was human rights organizations to tell you, i did states how to deal with campus protests. this is actually, this is bizarre. this is unreal. it's likely. busy down some,

some rabbit whole somewhere. yeah. and we, and we have in the haven't learn any of the important lessons of the last 75 years last a 100 years. when it comes international relations. we have the genocide conventions because a genocide was committed line. oh, you're a lawyer here, attorneys inside the bite administration or the us to cut off is real. also a group of 90 lawyers including 20, within the administration, st. israel's actions do not comply with us and international law. mean these are lawyers within the administration. okay. it's, it's, they shouldn't be shocked by people being demonstrating against their own lawyers. no, it's wrong lines. i even know where, where to start with or something. let me just do a couple of things out here in the same people, gentlemen who, who, who, and i was one of the who said, why are you arresting j 6 protesters? many of these people were just standing there, or they were part of a washington tour or the said, hey, what's all this noise? next we, you know, there,

there are there corralled and thrown into an underground go rod for the, for god knows how long. and they argued against this, we have jill stein yet, who is in the dictionary next to meek and passive, and ha, i'm not horrible, isn't intellectually, but just the nicest. she's just standing there being cooperate, why the police? and they said, well, she shouldn't have been there. then this is the best part. the media will focus on these. lona techs who come forward. there was a woman who stood before a self appointed spokesperson, an expert, the media relations complaining about the fact that her food service cards had been discontinued and the can't get certain bottled water when there get this protesting against har. ready. terrific. a starvation in gaza and this woman is arguing about she didn't get the right flora day, the water. i mean, this is,

it is in say, and there's also can comparatively peaceful, virility. your discussions never discussed, never mentioned by anybody in mainstream media, constructive jose, uh, a palestinian talking without any problems. nobody talks about. yeah, it'd be, the interesting thing is, is that it seems to me that again, these protests are, need to be covered. we're discussing them right. now, but there is a defense of being organized against profit, and i think with this passage of this legislation, the senate will go along with it. you know, of course this is just proforma, but they, they want to shut down any discussion and didn't debate when that invasion starts. i feel it in my bones go ahead moment. but what are they going to do when it does start? and when the genocide intensifies, when uh,

the daily footage that we see on our cell phones gets worse. and when this riley machine will also fail on the ground as it has already failed and causes a city in the north and elsewhere. what will happen in the united states? well, the students and other students remain quiet or well, the anger and discontent grow. and regardless of what happens in, in the united states, what will the rest of the world do? what will the people in the global south do, what, what ordinary people in europe do? how will they respond to this? when they see on the one hand, the united states is crushing descent when it's sending bugs to u. c. l a to beat and fat. are these students who as dirt guess, right? the point that we're just protesting, genocide, they're not doing anything but they're not even protesting against the the, the u. s. regime. they're protesting about what another regime is doing to you know, to, to wipe out the policy, need people. so what,

what is going to happen when the attack on the roof? i begin to is only going to make things worse for washington is going to make things worse for london. in fact, what, what do people in the global south think when they think when they look at china and the united states? so they see freedom versus authoritarianism. when they look at iran or mosque out tap, ron or mosque out, do they see the, the united states as free and tap ron and mosque out as a for a tarion. they don't see it that way. any more. why? because the capability of the western media to enforce this narrative across the world has collapsed. right now when i speak. i recently, i had a, an interview with piers morgan. and the reaction was hostile towards him. not towards me because people are seeing through the this narrative. so the

united states is demolishing its empire. it's already been doing so. but this is, i think the last day it's, it's really interesting. how did you bring that up here as morgan because he had on the professor mirror show him or, and i never so i, i, i've never seen in my life a host embarrassed himself by his own stupidity and a double down and a triple pat. it was just amazing that he even put it on youtube, that he was so humiliated. but that's what, that's what happens when you, you support the powers that be and you don't interrogate truth. ok, that's i, i think that's what foreshadowing what we're going to see. more of gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state bar to the the,

the claims of the king of the belgians liberal. the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 18. 85 in the very heart of the african continent states under the rule of the belgian monarch was declared. since the beginning, the congo free states was total, may have for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration camp. the majority of the population, including women and children, were poor, still work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated to keep the congo these people under control. the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants so varying that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals. the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet use, and as proof presented

a job hand of an african, it was not uncommon when drying to justify the use of the munition. the calling is to have your date of the hands of not only those who were dead, but also of those who were kept alive. the atrocious exploitation of the congo turned into a real genocide. you know, late 20 years, the policy of the belgians laid into the depths of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocausts. the genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the greenest pages in the history of mankind. the name of the monday,

that's it. you said that then you can put them into a facade indeed. and therefore the window at assuming that the to look into in a minute. the title is the dimension on the side of the scene, send the most of the to the to the motion of the the water is

a part of the blog post that isn't the deepest view of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper more complex might be present. let's stop without pleases. let's go part of or the welcome ex, across stock. were all things are considered computer level? do you mind you were discussing policy? the right, let's go to robert here robert. it's very interesting. they, in the waiting times it comes to is real, it's always an exception. it's different uh they, it's a special case, etc. but actually if you look at what's going on a minute, nothing you know, whose campaign against the, obviously the people of gaza, but also targeting him us. this is just another example of

a forest regime change that started in the former yugoslavia and went all to the middle east and now they're trying to do it in, in gaza. but roberts, i'd like to point out, it never works and never works, help the way you expected to and they're trying. and again, these people have no learning curve, and professor mirandi is absolutely right. their, their soft power of abilities are dissipating or it's gone. go ahead, robert. yes, it never works because the united states, other wasn't governments. forget that. people in different countries have loyalty to their countries. they have a way that they want their, their governments to run. they don't want to be forced into some kind of a form of government that is not to their liking. one example going back a while is, is there on the night of the states and 1953, i believe, was over to the government of iran and installed the doodle shop. and he will, for the 30 years, i believe it was until the people of iran river a ritual. hm. and it's not a government to the liking that any government has problems,

any government issues. there gonna be some people that disagree with certain government policies doesn't mean the one over to the government. and they tell it doesn't mean that they want a government forced by the united states to be, to be installed in their, in their nation. and when we talked about the 4th, come me ross innovation, which is going to be just so brutal and so bloody at how the this new bar repressing descent is going to play out in the people who are protesting. know that they're following all the rules that the government sets for their, their protest. the protest is worthless. it's, it's an exercise in futility. so if in the university campuses, people are, they have to 2 days, notice that they're gonna have a protest. they have to be in one certain area and stay there. well, they know that's a waste of time, which is will not bother. they're going to take action. that is going to get them published today and get with them. well, i mean it, robert, say i agree with you. i mean,

if the authorities aren't going to play by the rules and why should the student say this is what we're just sending into the abyss right now. line. oh, you know, you love words, you know, again, this whole phrase from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. well, who has the right to determine what that means? because when i say it, when i think about it, i think about everyone being free, the palestinians, jews, secular, people, all people being equal from the river to the sea. but i can get into a lot of trouble. they probably have already gotten myself into trouble by saying that, but i, i will not allow someone to tell me what my words mean. go headlines. well, even though a couple of things to do this is you, you, you talked about great words. i go back to uh the words of our senator daniel patrick moynihan, who brought above flocks the most nearly pill of occasion. one time, which is the action of estimating is worthless, which is what i feel i'm doing what i'm trying to explain to people what's going on at least here. let me give you the example. there was a senator who said,

because there was a talk of bite and bringing folks over from gaza to the united states. oh no, no, no. we can do that way. my wife. well, because their home, my supporter and their id off g and i, so i asked somebody is it's, you know, you're right about that. because if there's one thing we got to get to the bottom of, it's all the fentanyl cartels in gaza and he goes, what are you talking about as a whole lot again, right now next they talk about ideology. i said, why wasn't anybody interested in the, as all battalion and right sector, and neo nazis in ukraine? you. so just stick with your program. i'll go along with you, but you can change the rules in mid stream and then expect to. and by the way, i sound like the most unpatriotic only in america. could you pull this off? or you could say the most blatantly loaded chris,

hypocritical nonsense. and nobody will call you out because we don't know because remember in, in here how much gaza is real. but if this is just gone low of term, what does the line? oh it's, it's a liberalism, ok. and it's toxic and it can kill you. and it's certainly kills a lot of people around the world mohammed, one of the interesting things for me is that, you know, when they mention in the media, when they talk about israel, well, let's be more specific. this is a zine this presume it is run by a zionist ideology and people that adhere to it, okay. and what we have is design ization of the west. okay. a willingly allowing themselves to be colonized by these ideas. yes, and it is, it is just trying the rest the west and uh, but what is what is happening now is because of the sheer boot town that 2 of this right of the machine,

people are waking up to this fact the reason why they're passing this law is big is because they're desperate, and i think it shows how there's ravings and design this lobby, which by the way, is there more christian scientists, as we all know, then jewish scientists and the main designers who are secular. so this, this has nothing to do with do days and many jews are completely against this genocide. and this really regime in the same is true with chris christians and others. but there's really what she doesn't care about the united states. it doesn't here. i oh yeah, is willing to sacrifice the credit ability and the image of the united states for its own sake. there's really prime minister says, crush defense and a crush dissent. this really regime calls on the united states to silence these, these young people. and these people will be scientists. what does that have? as i said earlier,

it destroys the united states image abroad. but it also destroys the image of the united states for the younger generation. young americans who were taught to believe that this was the land of the free and the home of the brave. now they are waking up to a reality, which is almost ex, exact opposite of what they were told. yeah. yeah. there's because they didn't realize that they are brave, but they're, they're governed by cowards. that's what they are. cowards. ok. it's interesting. robert used to be up until october 7th is if that should be the center of everything. it was, it was an important day, but there's a long history before, but before october 7th, at least for the western world, particularly americans that are intentionally on an on educated about this. is that, remember the phrase, it's complicated that was always it of, oh just because it's been going on along to its complement. that's no longer the case. people are being educated, they're educating themselves. it is easy to do that. and this is what the leads

were afraid of. they were afraid of the truth. yes, they are. the fact, the idea that this is complicated is just a minute that spend a minute perpetuated by us government officials and the, the very obedient media for decades. it isn't complicated at all. it involves international law and basic human rights laws and rights that are in trying and united nations that united states has signed onto. and united states has violated records, violate its own laws to lady law, for example, which says that a military aid cannot be given to a country that doesn't reach a certain minimal standard of human rights, is here it is what comes nowhere near close to that. there are other domestic laws that it violates is a bit complicated about this is not a religious issue. it is not the jews versus muslims at all. it is an issue of colonialism, of one very dominant nation, repressing a nation with no army need,

no military whatsoever. and the dominant nation is supported by the most powerful nation on the planet. there's nothing equal about the, the conflict. it's not a war, it's not, it's simply a genocide. it's been a slow going genocide for decades as israel has attempted with some success to erase palestine by stealing land. just. busy as a member of palestinian and killing many thousands of them over the over the decades. so it's not that complicated about this and that narrative is finally finally a being switched and being recognized for what it is, which is just a major lie. and it's not holding water anymore, you know, line one of the big problems about getting to controlling this narrative. what, what's going on in god's, in, in the right to protest is so it's, there's a lot of american jews involved in these protests here. and they just have a hard time explaining that away line. oh, absolutely. and. and again, many people believe that there is this monolithic organizational. yeah, that you,

you, you, you, you become a member of the club and this is your articles of faith. i gotta tell you this one, this is the best part about this. you're talking about people that i'm listening to . i thought i was hallucinating. i'm listening to michael moore the other night. i think he, oh my god, he makes sense. let me tell you what's gonna happen in about 6 months. there's gonna be the election and donald trump's going to win this thing and if he ever thanks anybody, he'll say, i wanna say joe biden. i want to think this ridiculous, this because gentleman, what's happening right now is people, especially in new york, are seeing, hey, that's what the police look like irrespective of what they're doing, whether right or wrong. but people are saying, you know, we have been so bereft of this notion of law and order. and gavin newsome in california the governor who was supposedly up until just recently going to be the last and it could be the replacement. the candidate california is tumbling into the

sea is daily then within tone. it is a cut pastor of feet and people are now saying, what does this sound like, peter? we always go back towards out of $9068.00 order law and order next in chicago. look at what people doing is you idiots use social jarvis vinyl. i wish i could be that optimistic. well, i'm going to finish up the program with my home. and here is that we have this, you and a party here. we have republicans and we have democrats here in there on the wrong these leaders are on the wrong side of history and i think that's what there's a class. it will be a societal clash against the lead. so you've got one minute go ahead. i think that's a really important point. i think both of you are correct in the sense that trump will probably be elected. but i think increasingly people across the board are going to see that trump will be no different than biden. and that is going to create even further at this illusion meant among americans. they will see

increasingly that the united states is not a democracy. is one of despotic regime with 2 factions which agree on almost everything, almost every for exactly. well, unfortunately the, you know, this is a way if, if the election is going to be determined by donors and it probably will be, we're gonna find ourselves exactly in the same dreadful place. gentlemen, that's all the time we have one to, thanks my guess is not in kitchen or new york and, and come down. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc you next time. remember across the

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