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all of these really jim assigned and i say these for 2 reasons. one is that the international community um the while ago wanted to order the complete comprehensive ceasefire. and there was a resolution to that you said in the security council. so if you members voted for the resolution breach and i've stayed, and the united states use the veto and um and um, be to this resolution. so we could just have a ceasefire, but for america who prevented the seas file. and secondly, the america continues to supply with friends and relations to israel in america, who would threaten to withhold with them said munitions. and these are, i don't have no choice but to stop the fighting. so the very top is definitely
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guilty of obviously patient active participation in the israeli genocide in um the guys up any fees, probably for these reason the joe biden is on himself and unique day, which is that genocide, jo. well, as you know, they are quite open about the fact in the united states and still bug of nature that this will improve the job situation in the, in the united states, increasingly scarred by disparities of power and wells actually comparisons between the nazi war economy and the massive pumping of billions of tax dollars into the united states economy in terms of manufacturing artillery shells with which to mass murder, children in the middle east. it's this not to make any comparisons between
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nazi germany and israel. it's best to look at the user as ret code in america's record. it's bad enough, so we don't need to draw any comparisons. and we don't need to exaggerate the scale of these railey destruction. income age in the guys. a split street is for the american or economy. it's always being the case that the pose manufacturer is located in the south of the united states in republican areas. love israel, because america, do you see a stroke $3800000000.00 a, a a milli. create a here, so this means the american tax, this money goes to israel as a grow and comes back is a profit to the american military industrial complex. that's number one, number 2,
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because the cell is with the state of the art equipment. the other states, one, can we address the balance of cash shop to some extent, and therefore, buying american weapons. so if somebody makes a profit off the floor and it's the warlords, they, it's the military. industrial complex in america, which is always supported, was everywhere. for this reason, they supported the war enough, danny stein, and they supported the invasion or from you off in 2003, iraq where of course you were born. the reason i mention the nazis is because genocide that the world code is so readily learned, all of the, not the experience of, of course, i mean we're lavender of was one prior occasion. but of, of course it's the cause that costs the shadow when $1.00 starts talking about
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genocide is 81 years since the was we'll get through uprising. a 10th of those who are being killed in gaza were killed. of course, the use of the word resistance in the, in the way media talks about is in britain where you live. how do you see the debates about what is justified is resistance for some reason your, your prime minister. so neck a continues to say is realize the right of self defense, which because it doesn't given, isn't occupying power. do you think they understand the historical power? those i problem is the did not see comparison question. do they understand the historical barrels with the will? so get through uprising that they must be, it will be the last time to send the titles. but now do they understand the international which is quite clear on the subject, bus sumac install?
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repeat, however, like what biden says, they never moved really made to from the american position, and they keep repeating. the israel has the right to defend it so that he doesn't because i'm to international that you'll have the right to defend your. so if you are attacked by the state, but from us is not a state. secondly, if the a tech comes from an area that you occupied, then you don't have the right to self defense. to put it simply, you don't have the right to self defense against the people that your prints more of a. it's a mouse. if the palestinian is you can go 0. who have the
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right to release the occupation including the resistance. so international law is quite clear that the israel doesn't have the right to self defense. in this case. what's the state of freedom in your country? because you're an eminent scholar at also is university. i've talked to other oaks and professors on this program actually, who i talk about the scale of debate. vincent help initiated in in britain. what is your understanding of the freedom of speech in britain and in western europe given? you mentioned storm a globally, people that know who he is, but he's the person who was promoted by jeremy colbin. the then leader of the opposition labor policy and to it says the things things like what you being telling me in this interview are anti semitic user is mounted. the global campaign, o. d,
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legitimize the supporters of the vs. while i quote divestment sanctions, which is the global rudsford campaign to end the occupation and this is a non violent double civil society campaign. it's non violent. i stressed that all the main, the minds of the vs enshrined in international the right of free to of the 1948 refugees, the right of the senior citizens of the state of israel to uh, uh, a quote to equality that and then default your patient that's the most important view bonke. well, he's, i am showing interaction a little, but he's real and it's many friends around the world of conduct a conduct
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a campaign against critics, a p as well. and the width of my eyes and the somebody please them and embrace them very. the government has adopted the international total cost memorial association definition off and you send me to you soon and it's a long designation. it's completely vacuous. and the definition itself is useless. it doesn't define anything, but then the series of 11 examples of make the list was made. a cost acute counties, $72711.00 examples relate to e's real. became of these definition is not to protect you is a game. so i have to send me to them, but protect israel against legitimate criticisms of the occupation. so after so many people as being way per night in europe, in germany, even america ending the united kingdom and the government in this country. there's
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some down on pro palestinian products. professor ivy? sure i'm, i'll stop you. that's all from the author of 3 worlds. mem, ones of an arab, ju optimist. break the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we have such orders that conflict with the 1st law should we live in justification. we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to create a trust rather than to the various job with artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the
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hello and welcome to the bus stop full force. here we discuss the wheel in the middle of the day. that's a if it's that, then you can put them into a facade indeed. and therefore, the window at assuming that the
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to look into intermedia keitel is the most of the side of the seen send the most of it that it could be the motion of the in 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultra nationalists. the u astonishes, proclaimed the independent state of croatia. shortly off, the seizing palace. they built the scene of us concentration camp, a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. use dash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime. conditions in the san of us come with her renders the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners they send in
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the constitution camps. so most of them died. it was incredible genocide. the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with america's professor international relations at oxford university professor ivy shribel through 3 wills ma'am, was when i heard you present time, we said in but one we were talking about this conflation of anti semitism and design isn't it affects clearly those countries that express solidarity with the palestinians, suffering your birth place. baghdad was for them in the past few days. a week by british and american. the bomb is a siri or of course is being bombed. gammon is being bombed. it's even more serious
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for countries that express all of that. ready then for scholars there, i said, any examples that you personally have had that you witness a lack of freedom and you're not being able to speak on these issues. or are you given free reign in the british media to tell us about your views as regards what we're witnessing as regards of the gaza genocide? i mean, i have been the professor international relations have talks the well, the last 36 years. and now i'm at my university as a try to restrict my freedom of expression and i still enjoy. ready is i've always enjoyed complete freedom to express my opinions as i am doing to you in this interview now. but the general picture in the country is not so sign of we know the general picture is that the british government is extremely
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repressive and it keeps bossing legislation in order to restrict freedom of expression on israel and on the palestinian issue. and the government keeps giving the police how powerless to come down on pro palestinian purchased the government. but there was a major, major pro for this protest in london a few weeks ago. and i went with my wife and my daughter. they were something like 800000 demonstrators. i do see, i mean, hey, so she knows all those. those are very good spirited off for our friend displayed, or solely diety, with the palestinians, both of them on 6th street. so brother, mine said the piece was i picked them out and she wanted the police stuff them out
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the police to the credit refuse to so we have an extremely repressive government, which is in a me a civil rights and which is a blind support or if he is with dr. young quickly to support a fee as well. and that is a situation here today i have and i cannot complain that nicely done with as being restricted. but i've also had one encounter which is kind of super symptomatic of the growing and toner is of both supporters of palestine in this country. i was invited to give a lecture by leave of poor hope university on the subject of my men was and the title was design is and the jews of the rock, the personal prospective, a big deal of skill and narrow topic. and yet the jews even leave
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a poor complaint to the university authorities that this would be on the safe. and it raised my top would raise purpose of safety. and the university didn't ask me to cancel the lecture, but they asked me to postpone it. and i would find right away, i said the case, i wouldn't come now and i was never time to go into the city because this is not an issue of safety. it's an issue of economic freedom. so academic freedom in britain is being eroded all the time. for critics of israel info supporters or from palestinian right. and the best example i can give you of these trend. even payton is the decline and fall off. jeremy colby, the previous um,
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um leader of the labor party who was praying, who was accused of 2017 and was an empty racist campaign. i always liked into the opposing piece semitism. there wasn't any evidence that gays to happen. so it is, he's actually mean he's been on this program and argument of he started firing people that were close to him on those fake drummed up. but at the time it isn't charges. it has to be said on israel again, one of the arguable founding minutes was that it was a safe place for jews. so do you think actually, given israel is now giving me the most dangerous plays in the world for jews? do you think that we and he's m c mites are really nothing yahoo and those who enable his government in the bank. complaints, being jewish with being is riley or i do think that and let them know who is a very good example of this combination. because many of
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his friends i could see might like greek to them in hungry like the previous government in poland. the previous government in brazil, these went on to see mites, but the pro israel and therefore let them yeah. who doesn't care about anyone please anti semitic as long as the pro is riley. and this reminds me of something that the field or how it so the vision really if they truly state roku, my name's diarrhea at the end of the 19th century. he said the empty c mites will become of the strongest supporters. and we're seeing this phenomenon today. at the israel that got mixed up with very
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nasty company and this is a slightly different point. these real supplies um um and signed the um, equipment and um, stopping equipment on photos to along to it and drift countries on the world. including including some of the most repressive regimes. so these are plays a global role. you're supplying weapons. and spyware too. so large range of, um, especially some trees you write about your background in baghdad, in your latest book, what does it make you feel? knowing your government in britain is bombing iraq. again, i am absolutely horrified by british policy
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towards these very palestinian problem 3 and this is just one example of the contemporary example, but it's a whole fleet. each policy towards the israeli palestinian conflict is this is computed also is complete rubbish. it doesn't make any sense because peter says that the 2 penalties should negotiate directly the resolution of the conflict between them. that's the home being any peace stokes for 10 years. israel, the president galvan refuses to have any peace stokes, with the palestinians, and to say the 2 parties should get together to resolve the differences. is like putting a lion and arrive between the cage and telling them to sort out the differences. the 2 state solution, you have changed your level now and recognize that actually only a one state solution is possible. what do you feel and people completely ignore the
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idea of a one state solution and continue to as joe biden does as a nature of nation leaders. continue to do what is wrong with them going on and on about this 2 state solution. i used to support the 2 state solution which would have given the measure of justice to the palestinians. and since 1967, this being the broadest possible international consensus between the 2 states behind the idea of a 2 state solution. and it says become fashionable to say that the dues said solution is dead. it is indeed dead because these ro, community, user al kill date by building supplements and expanding supplements on the waste time and by amex see east jerusalem. and by building the circle separation
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wall on the westbank, the separation wall is closed behind the apartheid for. so use rel, eliminated the cost would be the t o for viable palestinian state all the to the left of the products. the meals on the west bank is inc. have surrounded by use regularly settlements and military bases. so i say, my starting point, now, you said this 2 state solution is dead and these are all his kilby. i'll get further and say, the 2 state solution was never home because it was never born because nobody's really done. when since 1967, there's a offered a palestinian state on time such would be acceptable to the most moderate esteem leader. the 1st of all and secondly, no american government is
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a push this through into a to a state of solution. so this is just a convenient phrase for people like buying them. some of them delayed and they keep the balance at 2 state solution. but the reality is that you come to have a 2 state solution and that's why i have change my views. and now i support the only the product solution to this conflict, which is one state from the jordan river to do me to a n c with equal rights. equal rights for all the citizens, regardless of nationality, office needs to be all religion. yeah, i think the only way i think you are a police force is over there. don't seem to realize that the, from the river to the c means for jews, christians and muslims, is just, finally, you mentioned the apartheid will. nelson mandela strategy was of course violence,
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and the great mount you bridge on the peaceful, much great bunch of bridge on, resulted in tens of thousands killed by u. s. u k. u um the weapons at that border of oxide will. what, what would you do if you were a palestinian teenager right now in gaza? would you, would you go with mandela? would you go with gone be it would go, we've mendera and i would put my trust in civil society because i have no confidence that the western governments would change the position on israel. but there is a gap, there is a disconnect between wisdom, governments and the publics. the publics are increasingly pro palestinian, the demonstrations from the arab world. and the is nomic with the rest of the world
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in support of the palestinians. so public opinion shifting very, very dramatically now because of the genocide in gaza against these around any favor of the products, the news. and therefore i would, um, um, uh, i see that the steam is the only who of the best hope is that public opinion will continue to change. and the international criminal court will take action. we're pursuing the investigation or will crime scene the occupied territories. and that the international court of justice will eventually issue an opinion which would told israel to be guilty of genocide professor every time. thank you you too bye. that's it for the show of continued
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condolences to those surviving the getting and gaza. jerusalem 11 and iraq human and syria will be back with the brand new episodes and saturday until then keep in touch. why, why not social media, or if it's not sensitive in your country? and that's what channels going on the ground tv, hon. don't come to us, new and old episodes are going underground. see, is that the
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