defend the rest of the country, which would not liberty. yeah, it's obviously unpleasant, painful offensive. and no one wants to leave any settlements. but at the same time, we should not consider it to no one to notify launch military units or entire formations or an entire army in the future in order to keep some territories. those who didn't want to fly to select the country. but they too are now subject to the fresh draft as part of the craze mobilization overall. how it looks like now, a man of conscription age went abroad, showed his state that he does not care about its survival. and then comes and wants to receive services from the state. it does not work this way. our country is at war, was like poland, the lithuania have already promised cube that. they'll send back any mail ukrainian refugees of military age. so it's on clear how they're planning to do that. exactly . all the countries, however, like hungary, have a more humane opinion on the matter and refuse to back down hungry will not extradited creating refugees. we're not considering if a green diem,

some soldiers are not on the base supplementary, humanity will not allow them to be sent to their death. and there you have it's more western weapons on the way, but the crane is still desperate for boots on the ground resorts into dubious recruitment methods, which sometimes end up what's called scripts that before even making it to the front line versus circle of bad p r. which only increases that ukrainian death, so as, as military, is rapidly retreating and depleting, all the rest of the offensive shows no signs of slowing down a meg speed levelland with the latest episode of cross toll kinds off about with more news in 30 minutes. bye for now, the the

hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, french president new menu. well look around says he's advocating strategic ambiguity when it comes to ukraine. this includes funding western military personnel to fight for kids. this is not strategic ambiguity, but rather strategic confusion. the cross talking ukraine, i'm joined by my guess over desires in geneva. he is an author and former un independent expert in international order in brussels. we turn to appear emmanuel to a month. he is a lecture at leon university and in niece we crossed to alex because of all of which he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst or

a gentleman cross cycles. and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it, i would somebody go to you 1st and nice because you're in france, so nice. so i started out with the french president here. it says he's advocating a form of strategic ambiguity. and then he says, under the conditions in which he will send troops, his troops, they filled troops, somebody's troops, i don't know of, and those conditions are in kids, lines break, or they a request is made, prized zelinski. so it, i don't see that as m. b, a and beauty, i find it confusing and certainly very dangerous. go ahead, alex, find a deity, right. it's one of 2 things. either you don't know what you're talking about earlier. funny because you see like it's, it's, it's that simple going all along the lines. you can say he's going to send troops and if a line breaks, or if you create, makes a request. well, i think you create would have already made that requested. but i had a chance to make a request. these me for your time in the sky ideas. and i felt like little napoleon

here he's, he's pushing out all these ideas to, to need a while later was really not even bad in the morning. you talked and he said, politician, nobody wants to go until you create a official. now the other side of the court is we know that since 2014, they couldn't use the americans, the french, the british, everybody stayed on the ground in ukraine, nevada officially. so what does this make of what the process of staple makes a big difference? actually when you're looking at the bit with maddox, your face, when you say you're basically on the ground. well, that takes things off a level and that's what people are sick and tired. we need to stop this type of rhetoric. we should be pulling back. we know what the situation is on the ground. winds have been broken time and time again because you created a body off their backing off, their line is being broken very quickly and solidly in the past few months. so why would background say this posture? i mean, you have germany, which is the economic engine of europe, and then you have france, which is the most hardcore military. let's say the troops are exist as are the

military gear in europe. they, they, armstrong, we know that about france. but that does not mean that you shouldn't be rattling that sort as much as they get rambling it. i hope that the president, she told them that they are to about to call to actually run these days. because i need to sometimes have the adults in the room and we know when back from that, within, we all know who looked like the adult in the room. so let's pull back, let's stop playing these uh, you know, the slow your games with one another. let's get some solution. yeah, i agree, alford, you know, the, but if you look at the, the, the predicate of the crown statements and he's got his all over the place. he actually was very conciliatory in the beginning of all of this. now he just wants to be the hock in nato. but you know, it'd be the, the way, the conditions that he said they know if the lines break. and the silence he makes the call. doesn't that tell you that the ukraine is losing and maybe they should try a different strategy? alfred as well. obviously a plan is losing and they know what they're putting themselves on

under pressure. and this makes me think of another french napoleon i fully understood who did not stop provoking the impressions and his arrogance, uh, watched them eventually, doctors a face to declare war on prussia, which he lost in 6 months. now we don't ones that we have no clear states that can destroy not only themselves but the rest of humanity. so you need to break that gridlock, you would need to break the break as you need to accept the fact that the whether we like it or not, we live on only one land and we cannot afford to continue with escalation. but it's not only mat crohn who's mad it is joe biden.

and anthony blanket and all of phillips and his board minister, and really so much. and it's 4 minutes or so. uh, david camera on there. oh, using very belligerent rhetoric. well, i mean, okay, now the other 2 brought up a camera on, i'll go to appear menu. well, i mean, he very loosely said, you know, that, you, you, craig can use whatever british weapons they want, however, they want even against russia, russia proper. and then the, the, the, the response to that is that the russians are saying, well, they will respond to any use of weapons that use against rush or use by the ukrainians. if it's use in ukraine or even beyond ukraine. now that is getting serious business here. go ahead peer emanuel. yes. if you look

side and not chief of for or the west on states and the re friend so. so trying to take the lead, know of the and not cheap for underlying got to are you create a new will be the winnings along. russia should lewisville war and this is not operating on the grounds. so regarding the public opinion or the very relies, there being a doctor, the music interpreting risk of crises from the beginning keeper, notice they understand more about or, or this not to less fate. and the imaging mccormick or wisdom the just been don't know what to do more to, to steal up your us credit. or andrew, are the wave of filed is to increase or the, your ok, she's not chief. like cooper. jing troops on the wrong division, resize,

or hitching your territory of russia, or vote from the french, fun of you, your good or so we are in town or the debates in france we'd be a nixton's jump in part of an approaching wherever the politic are thought to be money good michael is very is going to lose the bought her because or somebody of bonus ronada these main or position be so we still bought there? no, nothing, nothing is no. but dollar dollars votes expected from the bought to you've made money going back home. so the money and my car would like to reinforce these narrative of being very strongly international. they don't have very many. well, let me ask the question, i do young uh french soldiers want to go fight in ukraine. apparently they're already there. some of them. i mean, i, it would be the, the, the general staff of france will allow them across to make that decision. i mean,

or even the people make a decision here that the same, this the stikes, the mistakes are so high for someone pastoring. yes, that's right. of each center was because, or it looks like you're vis. narrative is increasing. and the rising mistakes on the in v, and we don't know because to look pretty boiler or imaging about home might be of feel obliged to do something to do it tuesday and really troops officially we don't know. but or many general are seen front expos, stacy issues procedure. you will be a disaster or because for us as not, we'll come up with each with strategic. i'm big you t, you need to use sure. a military company beatitude behind on for us as is not ready for i entered city wall. this is why it is so denture was renewal, but to be honest with you, some instruct jobs on the grounds and of it tried to hide this fact. and the question is, would it become office charge with troops on the ground?

and the, even though we've a minimum reverse of troops or each would be a disaster, and must have french deeper. does that really bucks you mean for the to card parties of position does that? we'd be but, but it would be snarled tv student going on. so i think on to the end of for your pen, it excellence may, may be, well, i mean, you know, it's like it's good and let me go to alex back and nice. it was pretty pathetic if you're doing this kind of calculation based on europe and elections that the stakes are much higher then these elections coming up here. you know, the problem alex here is that the chrome keeps saying rusher should not be allowed to win. is that a strategy? what about ukraine? go ahead. no. i mean, that's a big question and what are the se russell wants to take over? all of you create that has never been to the, the idea. if anything, the 1st move is a key was to do the exact same thing that the americans did announce to cool governments and basically put somebody, the charts with a little bit more common sense of the people that are running the show at the time

. for russia to take over ukraine, again, that that's not a strategic value to reference goals of all the to the that they're holding the land, the russian speakers with their that lost their rights to speak. their language ross bought their right to teach their, their kids, russian, what their rights to how their signs up in russian. i mean, these are, these are things that we see happen around the world when you are either ethnic cleansing or you're pushing people out of an area. so of what russia did was defending it's people of people that could identify themselves as russian does rush . i have an a, a, basically some sort of idea of going to the very end of your credit of inquiry about missiles pointing out at your russian missiles. don't have to go off of the border of the youtube to hit their targets. just like western missiles don't have to go up to the board or russia, but for some reason, they thought it would be a good idea to expand the needle, you credit, which is the biggest level of land next to russia all the way up to the board and we all know, i think we all know that we're sitting here and the people that are watching this.

we know how this started. we know that there were negotiations on the table that this never had to happen. and they all came from the west. the us and friends and in the have, you know, people have been talking more forever. i was with the you out of see all of this is the 1996 months. that's the bottom line. we have special interest groups, the united states. and beyond that, we're making a lot of cash with this. and at the same time, a lot of people are dying and they don't have to send americans in when they can use you could use as content and bought her. and those poor civilians are going through this are absolutely no reason this can't stop. well, alex, so they can say to you, before i say with you before we go to the break here, what happens if french troops start dying? what is the crown going to do? then, what they say that the french mercenaries of what i well, the power in leaf and they say is already there, they say the forwarding legion's already there. the form is ever again, j. c, up to the canadian aspects of horses or wherever they are in 2014 and i'm sure they're, they're there to, to some degree right now just like probably alrighty. i'm still going to have to

jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion. now. do you mind staying with our team? the, in 1884. the german empire began its colonial invasion intent and maybe from the very start berlin encourage the white calling is to settle in south west africa and take away the best land from the local drive. the germans were actively draining natural resources and using the local population as a cheap labor source. this was causing major protest and led to

a rebuild your in 19 o 4 here arrow, and nama drives rebuild against the german colonial rule. kaiser wilhelm the 2nd was fully determined and ordered to suppress the rebellion. we'd be up most of irritate against the inhabitants of nan, maybe a germany through it's $15000.00 well equipped army all around the country. concentration camps were built in humane medical experiments over citizens were conducted within the period of 4 years. the german scaled up to 60000 people, among which there were 80 percent of the here railroad tried and 50 percent of the number dr. the events in south west africa are called the 1st genocide of the 20th century, and not without reason are compared to the holocaust just 2 decades later after the massacre in nam may be hitler's this of unit vote on the same brown colonial

uniforms which force the world into the chasm of the 2nd world war. the welcome back to the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you were discussing you create the . okay, let's go back to alfred in geneva, which is this for every action. there is an equal reaction in the reaction build this loose rhetoric that we have heard of, particularly over the last few new cycles or rushes decided to a start exercise is a, a new killer drills for them to put as a precaution because of the very provocative language coming out of western

capital's irresponsible language, i would say, i think we would all agree. but say there is a reaction and this is an escalation. don't western leaders understand that this is a reaction to their loose rhetoric? alfred. ah no, i do not want to understand. i mean, they live in their power alone world or parallel reality and the public, the masses are subject to re land plus brainwashing. i mean, and it's not only new york times washington post and then rifle down to find it. so i don't even hear in switzerland. you re nonsense and deny it to or should title and organizations like mine. i'm in the dba. international peace research institute . the get rate, we have put out a blueprint for peace and ukraine, which we have sent on to. they are all say the 8th is

a hole in burn. and of course, you know that we in switzerland. i'm also interested, we're going to have uh, in may in june. this uh, so called peace conference. i said brother getting stuck on lake road south. now they're going to be a lot of blueprint for peace. the 10 point plan off, uh, sure, landscape is delusional. absolutely. uh, disconnected uh from reality, but uh, the 12 point point plan of the chinese is good. the 10 point blind of the africans is good. uh, the international progress organization has put up a very good plan. also, both frances has put out a plan. so there are ideas out there, and my hope is that if enough states participate, obviously russia is not going to participate. that's clear. but uh, if uh,

say the presence of china and india and south africa and brazil and mexico etc, might lead to the conference to discard the 10 point applying of as related scale as totally unrealistic. i start to look for possibilities of a compromise. well, it is, it's interesting now for that, you mentioned a number of countries around the world, the energy individual, the pope, in organizations that have a blueprint to start the process of ending this complex here. i'm going to go to appear menu. all right now, um, but no western leader does that no western lead, no one in nato. does that and put in and so now hang on. perfect, hang on, hang on, put into now your ration. he said russia remains open to dialogue and it's up to the other side to decide how to move forward appearing menu. well, i mean, where is the, the, the piece plan from the biden? people from cameron from sergeant schultz. where is it?

they never use that language of, of ending this conflict and maintaining a security for all players. they never talked about language. go ahead and brussels . yeah. so unfortunately are, i've seen it in europe in memphis states of natal on not through the silver rain anymore. but resp, or are they your, i think they this feeling more or while you are g to up to your awesome are why are to be 0, attempt to exist a bunch with a run ca, we'd be ne, to vent within independent voters. and this is like your, the, your, a pencil competing to be the best artist of washington. and are trying to also, at the same time, true she to, of, of, back to you in case of for trump will be elected because they seem to the united states really less um, less it'd be present in europe in office. but that's

a sick time, very your before, oh, the main, your part of the car objectives of, of washington. and it's likely they want to find a nice in to be sure, or is a monique of washington in europe and to, to, to found available own leadership weaving, or vis systemic or the west on the dominus, we've out to try to find any, your end of this conflict because we're menu, well i, i don't want to, i don't want to be too insulting here, but is there any leadership in europe at all? i mean, you know, you see this background. he is, he's is channeling his, entered the gall. he can't find it. um, cameron is no churchill, i mean, where is leadership in europe? i mean, they're all replaced. well, you could take the prime minister from finland and put them in italy. it wouldn't, no one would notice. go ahead go exactly. it would be

closer. the better to come to class is, are afraid, very, your low quality to be frank. those seems to departure of the voting for us on more more. you've been seeing prison in the front. small more lines on the or i would say or under sex on the water, we go to the independent voice and or it might even more cool. so it doesn't the experience of the read crises of low shock. she and i was there last president with experience in war, and are they use it? they don't understand this new merchant put on war because they come from in the ideal g. carter butler, a friend said she'll do it takes the lead vis europe and the project. but the e. u is dependent on a tool and west of the maintenance under the can be done on the stand up to

position them serve in this new emergency put on work emerging. we're actually you is losing power on the left side only in our growth cvt quote. we take the speaking of the young, aggressive out the way we have the polish official them wanting to host the american nucular missiles on their soil. i mean, what country in the world is we don't we want, we want to be a target for in a nuclear war. i, i just, i can't understand that whatsoever. why would you want to do that unless you want to just curry favor? you want to, you want it? you're giving a nod to washington. you. where are you? where are you guys in europe to get differential get the germans. poland will stand with you. i mean, this is insanity red and the russians are not going to react to it. really go ahead and why don't we need to talk suppose people instead of the post alterations which are almost obviously, but i don't think the if he talked to anybody that's as low as 80, we're here a year of a they're both. oh, you're very different story about their feelings to what's happening in ukraine.

they're, they're still in some sense in the he, you added your. but if you look at the end of the line, they're looking at the hungary, if you're looking to increase and you listen to some of their politicians, these are people that have seen it, especially the creations i get outside of the utah. the serve used you know, they, there's this whole. ready mythology, that serbia somehow attached to, to rush to like it at the bottom. the whole court it's, it's not there. there's people that are pro and anti rush and serbia as well as increases. but these are countries that see war, they know what it's about, that they're politicians that are now leading. ready stations know exactly what happens and they know that it's, it's something to be avoided, go a little bit north, the hungry. then you just got a politician there, a man running the show that seems out a lot more common sense that when you start from the west. well, you alford, it seems to me with all this loose endangers rhetoric, coming out of western capital's out of nato land here. their primary objective is to keep it going,

in lieu of doing something else. they don't know what to do. so what, what's the option? keep it going until the last ukrainian is gone. alfred. as well as going to be back when the last 2 great end is gone. because then what do you do at that particular point? i mean, the sooner or later you have to accept that this failed the same as the us incursions in vietnam failed. same as that your was incursion in afghanistan failed the why stuff it very easily, just turns the page. nothing ever happened. we forget it. we leave a mess behind, but the europeans, they are in a very difficult position. there are intelligent people like dominique, the, the ball will have uh said, very intelligent brings you have in german. a guy falls on shore and blog, and several older politicians, but they're not in power. there is a total disconnect between the elite, between our so called democratically elected leaders,

and the people as the masses of the people in spain or friends, or nearly they don't want war. nobody wants more, but their leaders are making money. their leaders are probably back in the service of washington, one day historians full pallets, or if you're with lawyers that can explain that to us today would be useful. but uh, we are just postponing uh, the moment of proofs. and i'm very concerned about miscalculations at that time when ukraine has really been defeated. what they're yeah. well, it's interesting, perry, manual i, i, i've often said on this program. you know what you like, you often hear the phrase future historians will explain to us how we got here, but i don't think we really need his story in the future. we're going to need psychologists. what was wrong with these decision makers?

why did they make the decisions the way they did? they're making decisions against their own invested interest, their own people's interest. and there was security because at the end of the day, for the russians, this is all about security and know you're a p and leader is talking about security. it's amazing to me. go ahead, parent manuel. yes, it's we remember. let's remember, always fame was book, sleep woke up from christopher cock call. we arrive, oh, the 1st world war is tots. each and to each country is a different interest to be before it will be a little kind of wall on venue. we came to a festival because we were miscalculations. are a lot of prop park on the, from all sides there with lying in the newspapers, to what people are. that's no, actually the people are, they want to find the right information. we are to not keep sites on internet, yukon, and do mobile, or people or folks up or

e french very read the more i still not cheap p textbooks, whichever tools to what people are. and that's why the elections he's going to be already. it'd be good to surprise or, and also, or many military expos actually would be lying on tv, on the read situation. because they'd been paid to say that, that they don't know what to do. they don't know what to say anymore because what they said is not happening and are very, very find only on gra cvt on the well large. and we're gonna say that's under, we're going to end the program on the same. you know that we started it, this is all screwed t jake confusion and we're all going to pay dearly for gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guess a nice brussels and engineers. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. see you next time. and remember across the rules, the,

the the, what is part of the or is it a valuable post? is it the defense you of us and bidding the word part? is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop without cases. let's go part of the

be working on the games ground on the front line. well, you brings conscription method, slip people scratching their heads, 11000 convict south facing the nice they should also ahead chinese. and so the lead, as me think rings for the full results with me to an investment, a free trade agreement on student exchange opportunities for hundreds of people on the horizon basis. so i want to think presidency for listening to me. the iron clad friendship between serbia and china will never be broken by anyone.