offline the road map for advancing and commercializing the product. the event is organized by time to use technology park, which is referred to as well on silicon valley housing, some of the leading names in the countries technology sector. harvey says, since the launch of you know, tax in 2012, it has nurtured numerous emerging tech companies. companies participating in the exhibit. sion can engage in various programs, including or their speech and other platforms. we start ups compete and showcase their products. several have already secured funding and investments, enabling them to achieve success. over the past few years, more than $2500.00 uranium companies have showcase their products and services at the event. at this gathering, hundreds of millions of dollars in investments are expected to flow. not only from local accelerators, but also from it was critical trade partners to rectify the prevailing investment vacuum left by the absence of western companies. leaders from technology, parks,

and innovation centers from different countries, including russia, south africa, and china are attending the event details. one discounts for talents and commercialize viable tech products. the south african delegates says, now that one is a member of the brakes. there numerous contact opportunities in innovation and technology awaiting the country. you would know that because i didn't recently became a member of bricks. it's one of the new members of the brakes, locals countries, and as such, these are some of the initiatives that we are doing and undertaking to strengthen by lots of our corporation, especially in science and innovation. i'm yeah, with the 7 startups. as the western sanctions tightened their grip on different year one year industries, the government is increasingly capitalizing on domestic know how to keep the wheels of the economy. turning experts, a it was capacities had been overshadowed prior to the sanctions, but are now coming to light. there's silver lining to the sanction the restrictions

have compelled technology companies including those in attendance. just try for self sufficiency in creating cutting edge global technologies from the ground up. for instance, there and barking on the development of artificial intelligence from scratch and standing on their own 2 feet. if one is going to, oh, it's karen to keep a rush for the faster rowing technological drugs immune as well correct. so. so the words, latest technologies, excess, get us even invited western inject firms to take part where they have opted out to stay safe from the repercussions of us sanctions. for now, they won't, continues to capitalize on it. see on the charts on these issues, people seems to be confident that they could shoulder this heavy burden. they say all they need is a financial push, you know, tags and give them their usability are so many things we accompany here. and i'll see that's the old from me for the day. my

colleague shawn at g van, steve will be here with all the latest updates about the political pundits in the united states are to be believed. the issues of border security and undocumented immigration will be the over riding political themes of this year's presidential election. donald trump famously said in 2016 that he would build a wall along the us mexico border and quote, mexico will pay for it. and quote, that was ridiculous. of course, republicans now accused deal biting of having what they call an open border policy . that too is ridiculous. 12 biden's rhetoric may not be as angry or in some cases as up to says trump's fighting is no friend of the immigrant without a visa. i'm john kerry onto welcome to the west of low of

the . 2 2 2 2 2 i'd like to read you something written by our guest today. quote. on january 14th, victor, my de la sanchez, said us a 33 year old mother from mexico city, stepped into the rio grande, holding the hands of her 2 children. you are lie, ruby h 10, and jonathan augustine, very honest, the sunshine 8. we don't know how they got into trouble in the strong current, or if they even knew how to swim, group obeyed, mexico's border rescue service, saw them struggling, and called the us border patrol. agents went to the park gate a couple of miles from the boat ramp. soldiers of the texas military department refused to let them through. mexican authorities tried to rescue the mom and her children. they were able to save 2 others, but the 3 drowned and group of beta could only return to mexico with their bodies.

later, the texas military department said that its soldiers standing behind a chain link fence had shown high powered lights on the water and use their night vision goggles, but somehow had seen nothing. the white house called the event tragic and used it as evidence to support its case before the us supreme court. challenging texas is assertion that it is entitled to a wrecked razor wire board or barriers and use its own soldiers to stop migraines from crossing the river. the texas governors policies are cool, dangerous and inhumane said a d h. s spokes person. congressman joaquin castro added this. he said quote, texas officials allowed 2 children to drown and quote, it within days. president joe biden said in a statement, if congress passed the bill to continue funding, warren ukraine and genocide and guys, he would agree to and t migrant provisions that are part of the reason the less on

shot and her children ground a quote, i will shut down the border immediately, the president promised i'd like to welcome david bacon to the show. he's a photo journalist of fine art photographer, author, and union organizer, and he's also inactive as his work can be seen in museums and galleries around the world. welcome david. thank you so much for joining us on the big admirer of yours, john. thank you for having me. oh, thank you. believe me, the feeling is absolutely mutual. david, i want to begin by admitting to my own bias. i am the grandson of refugees. many members of my family came to the united states as what are sometimes now called illegal aliens. all they wanted to do was to work, pay taxes and help their poor relatives in the old country. they learned how to speak english, they worked hard. they waited for an amnesty and then they got their citizenship, their children, and their children's children, including me, have become very successful. it's the american dream. and frankly,

the country simply cannot run without immigrants, whether they're documented or not documented. so why the hostility toward people who happen to not have a visa, why the anger, the hatred, and the unrelenting work to throw these people out of the country as well. we hear a lot from trump and his mug acolytes. um, i think we all do really step back and ask ourselves really who is angry here? because i think really the majority of people in this country are not hostile and don't hate immigrants. in fact, when republicans try to run one repressive measures around immigration as their main political plank, so to speak, they lose the elections. um, but i think it's also true what you're saying because there is a long history of racism in this country. you know,

the ku klux klan was organized against black people, but also against immigrants, against catholics and jews, guests, mexicans. and the last reason i think why this continues to be a problem is, is basically that keeping immigrants vulnerable and documented, for instance, is profitable. look at the profit, so the agriculture industry, which is built on and documented those labor, that's right. and on that's makes, it gives some people at least a self interest in trying to keep things the way they are. and so making that kind of racial and data, and we're going to stare him when i see old news clips or even clips from old presidential debates where people like richard nixon, ronald reagan, even george h. w. bush are talking about undocumented immigrants. their positions are full of compassion. none of these men, all of whom consider themselves to be conservative. republicans could today survive

in the, in the republican party. many of them would be seen as to pro immigrant even to be democrats. when do you think things changed in the us toward, toward migrants, at least this, this harden shift to the right. and why did the national attitude swing so far in the anti immigrant direction? at least among conservatives to well, the republican party is not the same party as it was in the presidency of ronald reagan writes, proud reagan almost been extremely conservative anti communist president. but he did sign the immigration reform and control act in 1986, which was the last that gave immigration and the state to about 2 and a half 1000000 people. now it also had some repressive aspects to it. it sort of initiated the whole process of notarizing the border for instance. and so even then,

um it was sort of a, a compromise. right? but the republican party is that exist under donald trump is not interested in a compromise of any kind that would offer a legal status. for instance, the people who don't have it. um, democrats, you know, they really have not opposed to us in a way they're running scared on, you know, when biting proposes compromise that you referred to earlier. and i think is main reason for doing that was to try to kind of blunt the attack of, of truck and extreme republicans on that said the fighting is soft of migration. so instead of really providing a real principle that a fierce defense of the rights of migrants and the rights of working people in general, what he did was, he said, well, i'm gonna, i'll do, you know, i'm going to close now. border on that's not something that kind of stops the

republicans in their tracks. if anything, it gives some even more more read through my tech david. tell us about these actions by the governor of texas, greg abbott, to you serve some of the federal government's authority to control border access. just policies have been ruled unconstitutional, but he just keeps added any way. what should we expect to see there or? well, you know, some of his policies that he say are put on hold. these appealed the ruling that said that it was unconstitutional for him, for us to put on razor wire barriers in the middle of the rio grande river. as a way of preventing mike. well, yeah, he says preventing migrants from crossing list. let's get real about this of the of drowning migrants in the river, which is exactly what happened on to the subject and your kids. but he's also proposed a lot of other anti immigrant measures in texas, and he pushed through a loss through the texas legislature that makes being on documented itself

a state crime. i'm now under federal law being and documented is a violation of immigration status, but it's not a federal crime. in fact, when the congress was attempted to do that, back in 2006, there were immigrant marches. and in the united states been involved literally 2000000 people to i was there, you know, in los angeles or where they had to march is each with a 1000000 people are that was able to stop that effort on the federal level. but on map it is push this through on the state level army, he propose building more border walls and reading barriers asylum, forcing the firing of millions of on documented workers to what's called the verify system. and i think the worst one is permitting children to be held in detention centers with their parents. and it's not just passing laws, you know, texas residence has just recently tried to shut down the reception center that

tries to help migrants once they do come into the us and go through the processing by. i'm us immigration authorities, that the catholic church itself ran in el paso, for the last 27 years. and texas is now trying to shut down by new ministration one as you just know that those core decisions versus texas on the border. but joe biden has not been very much more supportive of migrants and donald trump was, he's nicer about it. he's less controversial about it. why are the democrats not fighting for the rights of immigrants like the democratic party of the past? did? why are they mirroring republicans in so many ways as well? a big part of the democratic party has bought into the basic idea that underlies a lot of these repressive measures. and that is that on immigrants, migraines crossing the border are a threat. they treat them like an enemy,

the whole idea of in sports, and that is to keep people out. after all, this is why the center and her kids drowned in the river was that the whole basis of the policy there is to stop people from coming because they are a threat. and they are, the enemy is kind of like even a militarized idea of who migrants are. and you know, we're talking about people data center who is from mexico. so you, we don't know that much about her, but right. but the people who are arriving at the border are our workers, they're farmers, they're ordinary people like you and i. so what makes them a threat? this is kind of what underlies it. and then of course, you know, there's this miscalculation, i think, on the part of part of the democratic board including bite and the set, the things that anti immigrant ideas in hysteria is a wildly popular idea among people and in this country. and that they can win the election by competing with republicans in who can be seen as the most anti

immigrant david stay right there. we're going to take a short break. and when we come back, we're going to talk to david thinking about what realistically can be done to protect the human rights, civil rights and dignity of those people trying to make their way to the united states in an environment of hostility and of dirty politics. stay to the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth . is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world will receive re washing as close to the funder line, likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to this. let me let me on my have very quick propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're

not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the welcome back to the whistle blowers and john kerry onto we're speaking with david bacon. he's a photo, journalist, fine arts, photographer, author, union organizer and artist. thanks again for being with us. david. it's a pleasure. it's a pleasure, john. thank you for inviting me. thank you, david. i want to return to the very powerful piece that you wrote as part of a presentation with which i opened the show. it harkens back to that epic song deportees by woody guthrie, woody guthrie saying about a plain load of migrants who were being deported to mexico when their plane exploded over los gatos,

california. he lamented that they wouldn't be known by their names, but only as deportees. the bottom line here is that so many americans see undocumented refugees as somehow less than human. and indeed, donald trump has said that they were animals and that they were less than human. tell us about this family that was lost in the rio grande and about the challenges that my friends faced on their way to the united states as well. you know, john actually on the the people and what do you, guthrie saw or who died in that plane? crash, the reason why you called them deportees was because there was no record that was captive their names and we're talking here about the late 1940 is not something is and recently a very um, uh brave and a pioneering activist went through the records of the parishes in

the central valley in california where people were buried. ads found their names and went to mexico and found their families and kind of and did this anonymity that in which people were treated and which customer he was testing in his song. so, you know, it's both, i think both things exist in our country here, but the effort to serve the human eye as mike graphs and treat them as people with no name or as you said, you know, to install. so calling people animals or killers or, or what terrace or what have you. this is. busy the weight of, of car do you nice people and seeing them it's as not human, but i think it's also true. so we have at the same time, people who are very courageously trying to not just keep track of the humidity of migrants, but to talk to them individually and deal with their cases individually and

advocate for them individually. so right join in terms of the, of the santa and her 2 kids. what we really know about her is, is that she was a poor person from mexico city. and the we have had a wave of migration from mexico for many, many years, at least for, for 5 decades. and over whelming leads of people who are coming to the border, are people or workers, they are farmers. and what's even more important is it in many cases they are also victims. busy of the policies that the us has, i apply way would be to say, encouraged in mexico. but i want really want to say imposed on mexico. it's a free trade policies that basically have tried to force the mexican government to,

to use unemployment and poverty as a way of forcing down the standard of living of people in mexico to make it an attractive place for us corporations when best. right. but the price of doing that is that you make it so difficult for people to survive, that in order to get them to put food on the table. busy or pay the rent or what have you, people lead to the us to look for work. and that is what we do know about data such in her kids. and that is she was doing something she needed to do in order to survive as a person. and that's the reason why the survival has become so difficult is decades and decades of these kinds of free trade policies. you as a free trade agreements and using poverty is as a, as both a magnet for investment. but on the other hand, i something that displaces people and force them to move. i want to ask you also what i think is an important question. it may be a controversial one, but here goes, why do we,

why do americans not understand that it is us foreign policy that creates these immigration crises, imposing, for example, right wing dictatorships on tiny central american countries or wrecking haiti's economy or imposing crippling sanctions on cuba and venezuela, why do we not understand that? that's what forces people to leave their countries. why is it that so many americans just can't see the connection between immigration and u. s. foreign policy? well, i think we have to look at where people in this country get their information from and overwhelming leads of mass media in this country plays a very, very bad role here. and he would you mention is a good example of that. right now. the us is gearing up for basically military intervention and he wants to, yes, i'm using other countries as, as proxies. but essentially the us is paying for this and us as

a what this pushing this idea that he must be occupied militarily. again, i'm using as a pretext, supposedly the final level of violence in 80 is so great that in order to protect patients, that this is what has to happen. this is a completely false idea of what is happening in haiti. he has been suffering from a basically us imposed series of governments whose main purpose is to make a, the, again, a profitable place for us investors, the garment factories, the ones that make the baseball gloves, the wilson, baseball gloves. all of these are our, our hub. this is kind of what motivates us policy as well as kind of trying to keep a control political control over countries and in the caribbean. and so this was why on the us put, jump that runs out of state who was really the only popularly elected progressive

president that he has had yeah. offer in so much very subjective. and us put him on a plane to the central african republic. i'm in order to remove them as president in order to keep the situation intact. and of course, what this really means is that again, you are governments that impose these poverty conditions. one haitians and when worth weight comes, you know, they collect the money from the, your foundations or whatever and put it in their pocket instead of helping patients . and so, of course, asians are in the need of survival just like people coming from mexico or people coming from venezuela where us economic sanctions have had the same effects of us as is imposing the conditions that produce the migration. and then when people cross the border, treating them as though they are the enemy. yeah. so they are criminals in some way . there are state laws in places like texas in arizona that prohibit people from providing food, water, clothing, shelter for any help at all,

to people who cross the border without a visa or those laws being enforced. and is there any real way to oppose them as well? there is a long history of the us government or federal government as well as state governments like texas trying to enforce those pro additions on. but i think that one of the best things that we can see now is that people are doing this any way. you know, again, this is an old, old thing. you know, the months or area council, which was an organization in tucson, arizona, and was tried by the federal government back in the 1990s for supposedly the crime of, of helping non documented people today. we have another. busy position called no more desk that goes out into the border to greet migrants as they are traveling through the desert. i'm giving people water helping people to survive. and this is being treated again, both by federal prosecutors and by the conservative government in the state of,

of arizona as harbouring immigrants harboring illegal aliens. you know, this is the charge that is being leveled against people. and that's pretty serious . you know, people can go to prison on for that, but people do it any way. so this, i think in the great tradition of civil disobedience and it goes along with, it's not just reading people in the dust are leaving bottles of water for b. busy to drink if they are dying of thirst, but also that they are that against that the detention center. because we have to remember that there are literally thousands of people in prison to detention centers around the country. and we have other organizations. i know that there's one this called the immigrant movement for is you for human integrity on that is organizing. march is from detention center to detention center here in california to try to force the closure of the detention center and actually did

succeed in richmond, california in closing the west county detention center. so these traditions of activism not being out in the streets and civil disobedience, i think are, are ones that the on the is efforts to pro it prohibits them are not succeeding. and i've seen the same goodness for these people who are doing it anyway. that's right. how can those of us who feel strongly about encouraging emigration. fight this, this sharp move to the right in america? what can be done if anything, to impacts policy as well? i think that we have to, 1st of all, we have to oppose the threat of fascism on this coming november. it is possible that we could have what in effect would be a, kind of a proto, fascist government in this country. and one of the 1st people who have groups of people who would pay the price for that would be on immigrants, especially on documented people. because trump is already talking about deporting

millions of people. putting millions of people who have pending cases in the immigration system into prisons while their cases are being adjudicated. so we have to stop that. that is the 1st and most primary thing. but um, we also have to make sure that those people who are print are being presented as the alternative. so we are pressuring them and doing everything we can to force them to take a stand against this, instead of sort of trying to compete without you know, how to emigrating, right, immigration, you know, the trump, and, and of that part of the republican party that they actually take a stand and also that tell the people the truth in this country that through the way of opposing this is by talking about the real reasons why people are coming here. the people are not a threat, they're not the enemy. and trying to deal with the humanity of people and then deal with the reasons why people are, are forced to leave their home countries to begin with. all of those are the

necessary things. i think that's right. david bacon. thank you so much for joining us. was a pleasure. the great 19th century american poet, emma lazarus is famous poem, the new colossus says, this quote, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. send these, the homeless tempest tossed to me. i lift my lamp beside the golden door and quote, this poem is immortalized at none other than the statue of liberties. it is what made america the great destination of immigrants and refugees from around the world . and when did that change, why did it change? the west has gone down the wrong path on immigration immigration, and the diversity that it brings are the keys to american success. i want to thank our guests, david bacon for being with us today, and thank you to our viewers for joining us for another episode of the whistle

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