this is the hello and welcome to cross black bullhorn. so i'm peter lavelle. here we discussed some real news, decided to say the united states as lost its mind over the issue of israel. and in the process, the american 1st movement has shown itself to be a fraud. also remembering history, why has d day become more important in the west then victory day in europe to discuss these issues and for i'm joined by my guess, georgia 70 way in budapest, he's a pod, castro, at the god, but which be found on youtube in locals. and america hash, we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross that bridge is in effect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right,

let's start out with george and in budapest, america is lost. it's mind, as i said in the introduction, i mean, we have major infringements beings prepared to be to undermine the 1st amendment. we have members of congress. the want to put student protests, groups on no fly list, even one lunatic was to send them to gaza. then we have do in peach biden, for the same reason. again, this is a kind of a parody of themselves, you know, the, using the same rationale that they impeach donald trump. in this case, it's my america's most important ally. i never explain why that is, but that's what said all the time. i could go on and on george, the place is coming apart at the seams over a foreign country up. yes, it is a, it is glad to extraordinary. and on top of that, we have the spectacle of a few days ago of the presence of the united states, a democrat,

the speaker of the house, number 3 in line to the throne. um, uh, both at the hollow club fuller cost commemoration, oven and both spoke about the united states as being in the grip. oh, the anti semitic of the likes of which the world has not seen since nazi germany. think that thing of that, that's what's going on to the university campuses is the most elite, the universities in the united states, you know, the, the, the children of the best families of that. so what's going on there is what was going on in nazi germany and then i seen this will a straight face. and the people of course, go on with the beating of the media of those acts as a, an echo chamber and they end using it's, this is quite extraordinary is that they could believe anything so upset. and then the adult with that we had um the other day the state department publish the

sheepish report in which it pretty much said israel is committing well crimes using american weapons. i mean, it's back of as, as a, but we don't have definitive proof of this. so therefore everything just continue as yours. you can, but you can watch those atrocities in real time a be a street. yeah. me, i well i do need a state department report. i don't. okay. i believe my eyes keep going. exactly, but that was already too much because all of us lead to boat was that? yes. so we can go on sending israel holy arms. it wants to be because we just don't have different the different but the american homes are being misused. that was enough to cause an explosion among republicans that this, this is what you're trying, the hands of outrages, the friend of ally you who and you have the same thing we,

we were told that somehow things have changed. the republicans thought the change is of the bands and all of those crazy ideas of the, of the early part of the 21st century with the george w bush cheney and all that logical gum. you know, we're on trump bands. now roll realists. now we're all nationally as populous it's it's, it's exactly the same. it's just as complete, lunatic dement says, the desire to go to war as you say, on behalf of a foreign country without ever in the explanation, this new wine. what is so special about this foreign country? yeah, and then martin, we had the letter to b i, c. c, which, you know, the united states always supported, went into, um, uh, what was going when the i see see, was going after leaders and adversaries are against the united states. and now we have this, this letter going out from the side. it, i mean, it could have been written by the soprano family like you've been warned. that's

a quote to the i see, see, what's going on martin? do you believe any of those? i mean, in a, if you say that these are very powerful people, i mean the respective of their, of their intellect. okay. but you know, i think let you say that the american is it last as my, i'm not sure. as last, as my suddenly lost any thoughts is laural, russian will come to us. we do seem to see we witness statements and post positions and initiatives which seems to be conflicts one another. you know, you've got an, a sentence, a who once lobbied for a to not be sent to, to, to, to, to, to cause a to now we want the same page to mail it to them because, but now if i were you looking, the 80 that doesn't really make any sense to report the children mentions you know, it again, you know, him tell him to completely as a slap on the wrist band a fairly, as someone there is. why do you need to, why the result is just took

a box, you know, to convince that goes off. i'm, but that we aren't doing something about it goes about, you know, sending bombs, the, and building or floating platoons will aid. you know, at the same time feeding the gardens and an amount of them and allow him to is ray these 2 carols them into a corner, you know, which was supposed to, as i've said before, they aren't meant to read to you. because it is an ethnic cleansing strategy. now, when it always has been really, you know, and the only thing that is coherence, which rings to every now and again, which we say is america's inability to play for in israel and palestine and have a place where it's always plays. doty, you know, and i feel confused about all of this things going on. it's ok, but it doesn't go ahead and reclaim something he missed a flight for, you know, this wonderful videotape. as you put a few days ago in a rambling on about the palestinians. you know, like there's some kind of some human client and, you know, in the same way that some people describe insects and the published in. and so

given this opportunity, it was all good. but also a, we had robert f kennedy junior say at one point, i mean i, i, this year. i think that guys that kind of nonsense for me, hillary clinton total. and i said, the palestinians are some of the most pampered people in the world. that george what's going on here and people is, i mean, why have this reaction? i mean, this says just fanatical reaction. the inside of fear, the end. and, and also the realization that the mask has fallen off and everyone sees how ugly these policies are. and they, they desperately don't want people to see reality. they are terrified. that's why we want to send the students to gaza. they've caught up with them a no fly list. i mean, there's been no violets that i'm aware of that's been committed by any of the students who are either a commencement or after commencement. george is exactly right. the to then there is

no evidence whatsoever, and no one has produced any evidence that any of the students have committed any violence. the one incident, the best concert they referenced that it was referenced by speaker johnson. it was about this a young woman who was poked in the eye with a palestinian flag, and this has been been repeated by all the politicians. and then it turned out, you know, this, it is the own home. and of course did the rounds on television. there's nothing wrong with our i at each of the people to start thinking that model looks like any normal, healthy young woman as well. i got a little bit of a headache. uh so you know, and, and it's clear that all of these cases arise when, uh, essentially the pro is ready. the student active is deliberately go out of their way to provoke the, the, the of the pro palestinian academic stages in the close of closing a confrontation in the hope of causing some kind of

a malay which can then be filled, which can then be sent out to the, to the television stations, i'm gonna say, wow, look, a little bit rate bids assignments as a, as and when out bossing legislation. it also has the space saying, well, this with this anti semitic wave is so dangerous is such a threat to students that we need is a very stringent the legislation of damage. that the, the people that are giving them, but they hits the leads. they feel threatened by the students. that's the reason they feel us right. is it, do you call deny? what's just what's going on there? i mean, it's like you could keep repeating october the 7th till the cows come home. but just even look at the numbers. yeah, i mean, how do you know that the, the wild, this proportion of the numbers just put so like that, but somehow there was nothing that happened before october, the 7th,

and then nothing happens all through october the 7th. and therefore, we can just simply keep repeating october 7, nazi germany, a holocaust, and hope that someone's gonna ask any questions more than what's the, what's even more bizarre here is the talking about how a certain students, particularly jewish students feel threatened, or they could be triggered you know, i don't know the local lingo is as well as others do. but at the same time, when these claims are being made, a slaughter is going on. non stop in, in gaza. and i mean, so you, you talk something that it's imagined and then you want to deny reality partner. and i think of the americans and these writers wanted to know reality as much as they possibly can manipulate the process. i think it was very interesting to see in the last few days and interview with peers, smoking, and one of the official is where the spokes person and morgan basically called this guy because it became apparent that these writers don't have any statistics. a tool

for the so called civilian, so they've killed only specifics on the so called service us. i'm more than made the point if you haven't got the sophistic songs, williams, and everything you're doing, especially across, you know, you're just trying to con us probably over the eyes of everybody. well, you know that there is there, there is some logic into tracking down these terrorist and can well knows the names for this thing. spokes people are never really challenged by even, you know, remotely, a hard question. you're george, before we finish up this segment here. what happened to america 1st? i think that's a very good advice if america 1st that's going to be in a kind of america. but all this, like, i don't know the end of the america of john mccain. this amazing kind of transformational maybe was my transformation. he was, i think, a largely a college of this suggest holy i america for us. yeah, we're not going to worry about anyone else. but that's kind of what john mccain used to say. the last thing we want to do is worry about what the lease slimy

europeans have to say, or what this asians have to say. we just do whatever we want to do. and so it becomes a full circle. america for us to just simply bush mccain, republican as well. where is donald trump and all of this? he doesn't seem to be pushing back. i mean, again, i mean, you know that that's what he's got is his policy is supposed to be, but i don't see him saying it last 30 seconds. george. before we go to the board, i think i think trump is just hoping that this issue will just go way and he can just avoid saying anything or doing anything that's got on timing eyes. anyone. so he's just simply keeps repeating the same mantra state. it didn't happen when i was president. it wouldn't have happened if i were president types that's totally reduces. yeah. but do you know that that is the, the, the, is the strategy about power not to say anything and hope that the subject will be changed. that's just pure cowardice, unfortunately, but i think the entire political class is coward, the cowardice and

a lack of moral compass is martin city of gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real and stay with our to the the the, [000:00:00;00]

the oh, what else seemed wrong? just don't you have to safe house because the application and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the in 1941 with the nazis health relation, ultra nationalist, the was dashes proclaimed the independent state of croatia. shortly off the seizing pallet, they built the scene of us concentration camp, a place associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. use dash is use the can system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities,

and political opponents of the fascist regime. conditions in the scene of us come when the gods tortured to arise and the prisoners, they send them a consultation temps. so most of them died 6 was incredible genocide. the the welcome back to the prospect bullhorn john peter and well here were discussing some real news. i'm a martin, let me go to you. um, you know, the, you know, we here in moscow we just celebrated victory day in europe,

the 79th anniversary. of course, that is a staple. here it's, it's one of the most important dates in the calendar, in russia for a very good reason. so we really don't know the need to go into here, but that that date is, is rapidly disappearing as a day to commemorate in the west. so i would even go further. you know, the more you, with every passing here it's, it's almost is zip the soviet union. first of all wasn't in the war or it was the enemy. but it is very little recognition of its role in the defeat of fascism in europe. in 1945 martin. yeah. and that's i think that's, it's interesting that you don't pick them up perhaps because we go to innovation. but i wonder if younger people, even really, even though stunned, even on the to, you know, we, we, we all at brushing us out slowly but gradually. because the leads want us to make

no reference to the role that russia played in the 2nd level. as you said, and um, and i think this or does a reset, the selection on the direction that would go. right. you know, is that if in georgia, as i mentioned before previously last week, so you know this way uh, what would the, the leads of managing to basically break down, eradicates and destroy oh liberties, old free spiritual debates. now old revolt in the mountain itself. now, history is being horribly skewed and why? because there was this under this underlying initiative from the west to basically put her eyes a little to get that go back to the cold war on having to east and west. and you know, this is where we're heading and this is, this is all part of increased defense spending and basically gave short time to school games for the lease, the standard pallet in order to very clever long term gains. because you know, what does that leave the hundreds of american companies who invest in china, for example, that's just want to take a minute. breaks is expanding very,

very rapidly. and i think it's important for the americans and the british to celebrate the day the, nobody's, not things. but beyond that, you know, we're not going to see much. i mean, in the last week we had a lot about a hold. of course, you know, i saw on twist of the people talking about some, oh to is people not afraid that that we will also forget to hold a cause and my argument back on twitter was how can we forget the whole course when the is raisal reminding us that every single day with the genocide and gums, you know, we're never going to forget holocaust because people get on the sink. but well, that's a repeat of history, isn't it? in the last 1945 all the way to where we go today. and this time, you know, the genocide is supported by the americans, we gotta get out of the get out of jail free card, you know, and no, probably be more kind of busy for many international court. want to joke, you know, even the votes and the you in general assembly just recently would seem to be very encouraging. i, a lot of people try to some sort of some comfort from the fact that now tell,

assigned can at least in principle consider itself to be a post call stays, you know. but that will hinges on the security council giving up the front of it. and we'll know that, but it's racing are going to thing to that. however, going back to georgia, play trump or your point, where does this leave trump? it puts, i think, i think as a, as a victory for trump. because that puts even more focus on him from the middle east through the whole of the middle east. thank you. waiting for me to come back, you know, and not necessarily because i loved trump so much, but they just don't see any mileage at all in the binding ministration. so the big question now can be, if somebody to come back, would he do the unthinkable when he pressed that button? the thing is to say that it seems more more obvious george, that if time comes back, we get george. we get john mccain again. mean big it is no matter who you out for. you did john mccain the, you know, they, they would say with the topic of history here. george, i mean it's, it's very interesting. and so, you know, you know, i, you know, i just watched

a number of documentaries about the 2nd world war. they're very old ones. okay. and, and then i look at the media coverage, whatever coverage there is. and you'll get the impression that the americans won the war by invading on d day and they liberated the camps. that's, that's kind of the new history. yes, that is, that is a history. so you've got to talk of a world war 2 accounts, which is where you've got a burden, you know the bad, the bread defeating the nazi job, a name, then you've got the day and then the liberation of europe. and that's pretty much it. and so the v e day, which is to be quite a big deal. well that's kind of now disappeared and so everybody's waging with excitement with bated breath. bully of the h e s. and the 3 of the d d landings, which is going to be a very big event and is going to be, you know,

member of the game russell will then be present as who is playing a very minor, if any role in the whole thing. where as it goes, even when it comes to d, they, so the soviet union played a very big role because it also at the coincide with the, they had mounted a huge offensive, which ultimately led to late the collapse of nazi germany. so we played a very big role in these a that associates a fastball fan and was involved all the, the, the planning. and in george, i mean if you look at the historical record, know, you know, it's very difficult to, you know, and when we like, way we talk about ukraine a lot, the conflict there. we don't know. in retrospect, we'll find out what if we were at the beginning of the end or the end of the beginning because you're in the middle of it. but when we look at the history of the 2nd world war in, you know, 79 years after the, the, and the defeat of the nazis is that it was quite obvious by, by june 1944. the outcome of the war was a certain, um,

that would be the ability for nazi germany at satellites through a generate a new major offensive in the east with 0 and they've okay in the, in the, our den later. but that was very short term. but the, when the war was of the essentially determined. okay. and now i know you, we have the d date landings and it could have only happened is there it will be because of the soviet success in the east, british athletic. yes, exactly. that's the best way and um, what i think is also important that by june 1940 for the uh, the west, the allies uh white concern because they knew that the, the a major. so we had victory was in the all saying, and they have just as well that it goes away, hold back any longer delay of the invasion of europe any longer. you know, there may not be any need for the west. and now, as you know, the read on it would just be the, you know,

the sweep westwood without any issues. but even when he comes to the of the, the, the landings, the germans are still concentrating most of their forces in the east rather than the west. because that's what they were afraid, although afraid of the red army breaking through and occupying the whole of germany . so they really went that worried about the, the british and the americans. it was really late in the soviet break, so they console them. but what's also interesting is this in yahoo. so it was speaking of the russian an easy and a few days ago getting commemorate daily, horrible as remembrance they any said, no one came to the assistance of the jews. yeah, we was jews. we saw that no one came to the assistance of issues. and now this, this is the thing, let's get, gets repeated over and over again. losing millions of all millions of people in the soviet union died to defeat nazi germany. it was a, they came and they,

these again, they lived a rate the times one can bought for another, as a liberated by the red army, all of the alphabet bleak, everyone we have liberated by the read on it. and you have the no to say no one came to into our systems. well, you know, my history is now being completely rewritten. yeah. but one of the reasons why it's being rewritten, martin is that they've been that there is the intent to deny the suffering of the peoples of the soviet union in the defeat of nazi germany. so if you, if you will, great generate a narrative where you're not there, then if you weren't there then weren't, you didn't suffer. and that's one of the things that they want to avoid. and you know, you know, the, the, i can remember um, uh, uh, an american woman talking about a, um, how the red army conquered you. a hungry and i pointed out to her, i said, you know, the red army loss said 600000 troops, deliberate, bad, small country. and you don't want to recognize that there's,

there's this lack of input, the lack of rec, recognition. and at the end of the day gentlemen, is always about security. it's not moralizing. you know, it's easy. rightfully so to demonize the, the nazis but stolen or um go to bed, shop, or pool. it doesn't really matter. they have rushes security at heart. and there's again, rush, it has no security requirements, only the west, those when you knock the the so beginning out of the more then you we shuffle the deck when it comes to security. even martin. yeah, i think i'd have to agree with you, but i think you know what the story and some challenges tend to not look too carefully at what showed referred to as you know, in the detail land is we're only really made possible by the feet of germany and russian operation, but the rosa was a colossal mean military faith, spectacular to say that. but why with the germans?

what was in the advancing eastward mainly to look for more oil. and the main reason why the deadline is repulsive was because of the time of the 19040 for the germans had no, no real efforts to speak of. by that time, they basically went out fuel and they went on a fund that surround the even to find a few places they have possibly, the, the deadlines would have been a very, very different story. if the, if the s almost the same types and they say that the numbers and the planes to get up to 2 to provide. so i think we need to put it on into context. but, you know, we're not looking at middle to contact. the last thing that says he doesn't tell you, look at my operation, larissa, i'm drawing any lessons from it. so you know, the future is, is, is a blink on what it was and yeah, yeah, but i mean to death. i'm glad you brought that up right martin, because that's exactly how the russians see it. okay. i mean, they may see a collective west they know again in, in, in, in the, in this year, in the immune, in 1941. the us who is not already in, wasn't in the war already,

but in 2022. you have the complete collective west. okay. and, but it also is on their mike, the russian, something about that is george goody. that's exactly right. and that's the way they look at it. and they've mentioned this many times before, but essentially it black present to them. this, the soviets, with a united european continent interest, pretty much the united europe and government that everyone had been born assistance had been defeated. most of the governments of, uh your up at that time to bought in the invasion, you know, it was as hungry a romania, uh, you know, even from said the but, and this notion is the thing. yeah, that's kind of what we've got now. and worst of because we've, we've, we've also got the united states and great britain, which are these burden wasn't,

was not all the oh, based on the side of hip left in 1941. but this, the, you know, just a year or 2 earlier, a great burden has had wanted to attack the soviet union. unfortunately, gentlemen were, but in time, but the history doesn't and prepaid, but it does echo. and we've just proved on this program. what i think, my guess in budapest, any medication of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here, are to see you next time. and remember, well suck roast the when the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world, india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide, and billions more, react,

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