the way the police back, i was not taking part of the demonstration saying anything we were just silently demonstrating a team and they took us away, sweet and cold on it, to europe and neighbors, denmark in norway to come help with security. now just imagine protesting in your own country and being hauled away by a cop from a for a nation. kind of like if i'm here in vancouver and the police officer from los angeles shows up and reads me the ride. i didn't realize that the euro vision talent show was now the united nations with its own police force. sweetest climate change. ok to this credit chamber ended up getting detained at one of these profiles indian protests which authorities dismissed as an authorized how convenient she showed up, wrapped in a c, a didn't even bother trying to fit this cause with her brands. like when she logged

onto the ukraine conflict as coat eco seidel here, she just totally dropped all the visual environmental, henry, and straight up. it's used israel of genocide inside the venue. the is rarely performer, even go on was food, throw her performance. although it appears that the disruption was dialed back in the version that was broadcast out to the world. the . 2 1 contested, try to find a way around the european broadcast union organizers, no politics rule figuring that she could perhaps more suddenly express or objection to israel's inclusion. even as the country was on the verge and dropping more bottoms on palestinian. after my 1st dress rehearsal, i was asked to remove both free palestine and cease fire. you know them from my outfit. my delegation and i fought against cindy. you eventually agreed to letting

cease fire remain about an hour. before my call time. i was informed that they had an internal meeting and cease fire was no longer acceptable. and if i didn't remove this, i would not be allowed on stage. i am pro just isn't pro peace and this will never change. i only hope with the platform i can reach more people's ears. already heard that is really made through the norwegian, harass who was supposed to announce this country's points in this year's contest after being in contest and last year also billed out the last minute i was suppose to give out. know is points during the year of origin final even though i'm thankful that i was given the opportunity to do so, it was taking the decision to withdraw in belgium union workers that the national broadcaster v r t dropped a message of solidarity was housed and even people onto the airways just before the

2nd 70 final, earlier in the week. meanwhile, the european broadcasting union says that their context is totally free of politics . yeah, clearly and apparently also totally free of any and all self awareness have shown the double standard when it comes to the russian for that reason, i think the progress is horrible. what's happening and also right now, and i think a lot of people should be demonstrating processing, especially now when you have slow participate in your mission button, but not the russia. and i think that's just the, it's wrong. it's rooted in racism. and so i'm a pull behind, i think it's important to show that we're against here just as a back in 2022. when you crane one the contests, the organizers let eventual winners that police orchestra give a shout out to as all regiment, neo nazis at the end of their performance. so they didn't actually say,

pay shut out as long as you're telling me or not. so they said quote, help as of so right now. and it's participants from other countries also me gestures with ukranian, flags, and slogans. despite the minor detail of them, not even the ukrainian themselves, which you think would make all of that politically charged, which is here to give them the contacts. but is that the organizers did? is it or any of that political or punishable they said, quote, we understand the deep feelings around you trained at this moment and believe the comments of the solution, orchestra, and other artist expressive support for the training people to be humanitarian rather than political in nature. well, just that same spirit of humanitarianism just doesn't extend to gather civilians or to the cease fire after the south side facing crackdowns by year. old visions makes shift multinational melissa a file that run some of this news as always going to have your company here on,

on. see, i'm next, the exclusive and do the with this. why the prime no to as he unfolds about special relations in indonesia and palestine and will be back. i was over there, the 3 what i see you. bye bye mr. to why the problem, the, to thank you for taking the time to speak with us this afternoon. how are you, sir? praise god, i'm good god. i think i'm home. i'm back now we want to discuss what is happening globally. if we look at indonesia, it is one of the countries that continues to voice support for palestine. and that also supported south africa's case before the international court of justice, the against israel. how come in from your point of view? why just seeing the nation government feel it is important to voice it support for this conflict? some of the balance i discourage of the founding fathers is the same that is held by the government. for example, have we believe in participating in creating peace before its independence and up

until entities he had decided to join the don't the block move, but it was the cause of that spirit. and when engine easy, it became independent. the palestinians also recognized that independence. so the relationship between the people of indonesia, i'm the people of goals i think has been built a long time in the past. probably assign was among the known state supports as old indian easy is independence. so if engine easiest supports it today is part of what we were born way to. it's automatic, their names of indonesia and those whose names all goes the, which means people from goals i want to. and so the use of the word l g o z is not a foreign name here, but kids are even names of scholars for him. ask aloud. that's why they called ask allow me because the person is from ask lab escalade is now part of israel. a lot of kind of side goes and names are pretty common, you know, a country good stephen to mon, sheffield himself, came from gauze and comfort old as he lived in bagdad long and also served in the

image. i'm on the shaft, the pump, me use the tub, outgoing z. that's because it originated a net, it goes that which traces back to its origins. in fact, after world war 2, they shrank even further, particularly when issues in the region starting to arise following world war one. in other words, if the people's ambitions are reflected in the government's attitude, the government acts upon them. the support from indonesia is expected and not surprising markets and then i hit and yeah, they be me and finally the you and passed a resolution for a ceasefire from your point of view. what impact can this un resolution have? will it be able to resolve what is happening in the cause a region 7 though that effect level? so i don't know the direct effect on israel on the central minutes, but it seems that the gaza supplement is taking a while and then from a mockery perspective, whether this is a sign that something is going to shift, we don't know yet, broadcast,

hopefully it will be faster for study based on the verdicts we haven't seen it in action. the decision is one thing, but how it's implemented in the field must also be tested. it seems that still needs to be a lot of tokens and more series diplomatic negotiations. assessing the indonesia music on indonesia itself is also very active in providing assistance support. not only in terms of diplomacy, the community is involved, both through demonstrations and material assistance. could you share a little bit about the role of the p b and you to be able to provide and also ensure the support for the people in palestine. yeah, go young to put a simply the and you latest how to channel people's aspirations to take care of how in an easy it becomes a peacemaker. so people have hopes or respectful palestine for us citizens, but not only in demonstrations and, but also in that presence. of course, these communications must be properly channels. so it's not just

a demonstration to maintain the rhythm and spirit of support. we have been supporting palestine for a long time colored even though i'm on from your experience where maybe you've received information or their challenges that have to be overcome to provide the support. specifically for supplies such as food or medicine that indonesia has delivered to a net by not dilemma. they use a lot of support for the people even more than what's needed, but the transport team was overwhelmed. there's a lot of support in the form of natural and material, a number of especially for the palestinians. the technical issues involved in delivering the items also not simple. that's what our government can result quickly on. but for example, the government allocated air force planes help and then the people from b, b and you are among the officers who assisted in delivering the supplies. you've got those who are used to handling soft as were involved. there are also offices who deliver goods to complex areas based,

not i mean palestine but also in their left in syria. so and you active based on that they used to help to deliver aid then rooms with yeah, so oh yeah. and there has always been a closeness in cooperation with the government to deliver this aid and one been born in. yeah. yeah. can yes, because the government has the authority going on when it comes to relationships between 2 countries. the governmental relationship is certainly strong. got its people to people supporting from ages that that's the kind of relationship that exists between the governments. but it's got to go look at that we have done right now. if we look at the turmoil, there is a lot of interference from western countries in this conflict. what do you think about the policies of these western countries? but the boss have to end up with skype because most that i'm not sure if the sites pico treaties still exist for defining 1916 european space of influence. tracing the origins of the troubles in palestine is a lengthy study that cannot be condensed. therefore in some of the talks of

a most lately, we must explore that. what does the palestinian issue can be results slightly by un resolution or something more is required. we always come back to who the parties are conducting the negotiations demands a greater level of seriousness than before. for example, western countries are responding to issues in west asia or in the palestinian territories. now that is all side different and not the same. what is the west to america in europe have to be the same? does it have to be profound in nature and the red sea western european countries in the united states on a couple of ways the same. on the other hand, the palestinian problem is situated almost at the red sea. so really palestine the west and the red sea cattle, they separated. what is happening now requires negotiations that are not solely economic, but i duck on much technical. my conversation must go deeper than that, and we thought that that'd be bustle next. that tray got more complicated issues in west asian affairs because it could be

a short period. it could lead to that follow up on what do you have? what do you see as the approach taken by western countries in the global south and managing this conflict? yeah, i'm, i'm good with that perspective young got paid. there might be a slightly different perspective between the south old global south and west and countries. i just read that the use of the middle east level does not mean from the middle east, who uses the middle east and who uses the time west asia. and you have any one given me that it may be there is indeed a deeper context to the where it's used to knock on. i thought i would only what to do. middle eastern is see themselves as from the middle east. when someone refers to the middle east and what they see the region from the point of view to the west of it, the of the something that i've decided that may also represent the perspective that is applied to this issue. ones that you need to be that the ds, it could be showing a standing position, give us something starting with the medical. so we often hear, especially in european countries about the burning of the holy qur'an the banding

of his traditional islamic clothing and schools and female students being prohibited from wearing the had jeep or head scarves in any form. this also happens in the workplace. they're strong in time, muslim statements made by right wing politicians in europe and mass. if you look at this part of all these cases, just stand alone incidents or can one talk about a wider problem or the rejection of everything. most of them in your say got the lock, i know so we have them then i don't really believe there is a genuine rejection of islam. the fact that interest is growing is proof positive because it is a different story. and finally, if it turns into a political narrative, because the election is gets in place, i mean, it's a little tough to talk about. but again, i want to make it more difficult for candidates running in that district to attract supporters. for example, in some countries we see this trend spike during the election. i mean, it gets more attention because it's

a matter of finding coaches in america all the west. perhaps my daughters have participated in the youth exchange during the american election season. the pals question saying what you cover your headlights, i don't you worry that you'll be bullied by others as well. so from my perspective, it's important to remember that every one has the unique style of getting alone. and even when it comes to wearing a headscarf in new environment, that hasn't been used to that, it's about the one who doesn't wear who have responding to the one who does. this is about the relationship, but about how to maintain the relationship with that i still believe there are more same people in this world, the nurse who would know that i am and that, that hello by the guy. what is your view on how the issue of religion has become a political agenda in these countries today? yeah, to my, if you think the essence of religion, it is important politics. but he seems to be political show up within the past. and this decision comes out to be in security. it could be that the person who pulls

the religious issue, people and not confident with our achievement. so they pulled a religious issue for us and there was a problem early on. and why is religion important for politics? sense in just a little because of religion is to, god is 5 value years in high values are important for politics. religion is a warehouse all 5 values, politics, benefits from a high regard for religion because it promotes a healthy political climate. but if you just take the show, it politics will lose its meaning. that seems to be a situation where in political seasons, in many countries, the issue of religion is pulled up. that's actually a set back for progress. and whether he's left to right is another mass of should i call them plan, meet with migration trends on the rise all over the world and millions of people ending up outside their natural religious environment. what are the main difficulties facing organizations that try to promote peaceful coexistence among

people of different religions? does this mean the politics using the cloak of religion is also one of the difficulties? what other difficulties does the community face to be able to continue to maintain peace between religions about undermining him as a guy? something to wind up every area faces unique challenges up on the it takes a while to go to southeast asia and i'm about due to the length of travel living in the south. east asia is also a more tranquil. be taught, rely on only what is taught in schools, in my opinion or school curriculums are important. but in order to promote the healthy way of life rules and regulations governing how people live in these multi cultural or multi religious society must be gretch any question. ok to describe a society's common sense the people of different religion just can't get along with each other. that is the application of punch a c, the values. that's another like the president, tim medina, at the time of the dream rest of the realize time, the people with different the tribes with different kind of religions with

different stuff they could get along. actually punch a c that is taken from such references, defining the common interests of a people or a community is each states do take the book in each community. the people have the gcs that they're like. now how about 100 us gotta now we also hear a lot about universal values like a new narrative that many convey not just politicians. many stories are circulating in the younger generation. do you have any knowledge about whether those universal values actually exist? and how might indonesian people respond to this narrative, given that some argue this is ambiguous. yeah. yeah. it does cause yeah, that's actually an old discussion, potentially universal humanism has been around for a long time. and then the policy discussion was also not sure to so is it repeating that again, should values that apply it generally, that can appeal generally be standardized,

just like that without considering regional or local factors on top of that is the cause, the sense of belonging that comes from being east and no indonesia, for instance, small cuba is actually the west slab. it gets from where the agent or european is the sense that both universal and regional model. it is a sentiment that is local, regional, or shed by all agents, including se agents and indonesia. and this is a person's feelings, unavoidable. but if it is a value that has global meaning, then fine, but of course it has to be negotiable. it cannot be taken for granted, this is the most universal value to well, it's just different from the problems that were faced during the universal terms of humanism debates. and yes, they recognize that local value still exists. the local does not need to be globalized. and the global does not need to be localized o'clock. i've left the but to go on, you like me, like what about and use own values? how can we maintain those local and global values?

the local, i mean, you know, i go back and look, we had the, we have the new logo ready to pick c, f. i been trying to market office strategies that enable and you to keep it alive. that is preserving the tried and true while creating the new and improved that approach does exist. go okay, that's gotta if we're now talking about terrorism sometime ago, there was a terrorist attack that took place in moscow. indonesia has also experience terrorism on that scale, which has hit us hard. is there a country in the world that is completely protected against such tragedies? and what exactly should be done, especially by the government to be able to overcome them? the court on some level, good thing that comes up. what if you have to understand the whole argument not only in black and white because people are able to do stuff like that. that is because the terrorist was raised to the set, the environment that enables him to do this. consequently,

i believe that the organizations are involved in russia, and it's quite quickly to take that into account and address it. but every nation has its own approach to dealing with expo, anticipate to get thank god, we've able to avoid the difficult conditions that indonesia has encountered from southeast asia office, a unique experience compared to other regions that that's what makes the difference . yeah. be said that they've gotten the model name, but it could be because the big picture is different. it could be for other reasons, but they all domestic fact says, what is the difference between this domestic goals and this normally domestic cause from what is the conflict like in today's yet by itself didn't hold measures have been taken. the results can be seen since the body plumbing, where the government move quite aggressively to move. now if you trace the issue of terrorism, it cannot be directly linked to the religious issues. the terrorist is at least a criminal. they cannot be like only to his belief deficit because we're going to

is anybody he gone back from your experience with p b m you, how's the organization contributing to the handling of this terrorism case? or is it the wrong teachings or narratives that are finally shared with the community? i doubled it up a, a bit better, but the young man, some people specialize in problem solving, whether in the area of religion or imagery performed in cases where charles religious imagination is misguided due to incorrect interpretations and doctrines. this is what it comes with, following up off is prioritized event determining the appropriate tools of therapy or remedy. children, for instance, utilize some phrases with ease, but we can judge whether this is from the hospital or just something that comes out of that mat with whom am i speaking. so what is the measure of a religious person or a person claiming to defend islam? does he interfere with other people's rights? so no, i think it might be if it turns out that he intends to defend as well. but homes of the policies, this is the actually is um, there are ways to measure people's narratives and statements that alone,

detecting people who do not make statements. the naturally early detection methods are available to officials in every nation. and therefore, a state officials are concerned with early detection, then community activity. so active base from non governmental organizations and naturally interested in developing a more tolerant, peaceful, and healthy way of living is critical to comprehend the importance of appreciating one another and living in harmony. that is something that they give out some way. perhaps not many indian nations or the international community know about the relationship between russia and the p. b and you then either. so where did the story of this relationship again? yeah. can you explain what kind of relationship has been established up until now? you got l, i c o, forgot the relationship between russians and nations as been going on for a long time in terms of institutional organizational relations by the cool states in the form of government relations. for example, for as far as we know,

recorded meetings between n u officials and russian official started during the time of presidents, 2 condo, in fact several, and you lead is a company presence of kona when he visited several sites in rest. so for example, in colorado, in test catch them, there, is that to move him on because right. they did most guys, there was a great most cool the cathedral most abrupt essentially and use of course the government's policies. however, the relationship does not restrict it to that when it comes to the people it now for example, there are certain names in something brush or, or central asia. that's if you have them, you will not be surprised. 40 for example. the name is shake abdul hymi doug. a stormy shows that he's from the caucuses, but the cool cause is suddenly positive. russia because these names that must these inductive stop and i'm not certain that gets to all these already part of russia. so it includes the names of figures who were in central asia when central asia was still russia. this can be traced, for example, to the name is said,

his name is as the account we dug as a dog because that's the part that was sent to the fast. the when people prayed in the congregation is a very respected part of the service. it would say one of the next spend the people who is respected as cold as the account. wait. he's from digress dog and there are more than a few figures from dug of stone. there's names often mentioned, in fact if you trace it back to salt. and now i mean putting to y'all and his grandfather, salt, and al from it was the one who wrote and made the logo if they grew to. but on the symbol of the indonesian state, which has dec, a stony blood pass out on a shake as one a was from dug a stone. that's why the named august on is still attached in the, in full references. i think the last, the 18 and i guess tommy means as to i guess stop. now. i thought that goes back. that'd be a whole many. that means the relationship has existed long before and denise has

independence. oh my god. and yes, up until indonesia reached independence and beyond. we on the buckeye, be a satellite god. yes. the books that he used in the community religious books, for example at islamic boarding schools. some of the books so cool. so use a deck style. so there is a close by yeah, can i and people who took the guess because they learn from the same figures. it's a little different from here in terms of sector. my dad by the see a logical understanding. the math is the same to the reality show, fee pre dominates in southern russian robot. then kind of thing. the only difference is that one is the terrestrial roots on the other is the same route just like in the southeast asia and hit the spice. we're going to get the, the silver root is the one and that gets done. and if the pulse made difference, but the fundamentals of religion remain law should be the site. hello. really have me have, what is the relationship like today? we're going to take break. i took the relationship has maintained good times,

as we say that there were still visits from one another. for example, the visits from russian figures to islamic boarding schools. there are invitations from events in russia to end an easy and the big is, if you look at these, we see good relations from bites. potties, like i said, come up file when and that's why why is it considered important to maintain the relationship between p b and you and russia, given the relationship between indonesia and russia, that is also still very well established by the end, the nation governments by internship gullow lender. how does this answer like understand that god class, for the relationship between the people, the relationship between figures can suddenly be learned from a long time ago. for example, there are universities to often invite representatives from indonesia, campuses, in russia, and campuses in indonesia, almost invite figures from russia. that's something that's being developed and it's important to help maintain relations between communities. that person to person

that size the building between citizens is important for more peaceful relationship and the journey ahead. but the fact that in what ways can the relationship between muslims in indonesia and russia continued to be strengthened as yeah, how, how young women can come. it is about things that allows a strong understanding or encourage, and this is the ones that promote misunderstanding or avoid it. i guess for example, if there was sensitive issues, we need to deal with them quickly. at those times. we off who is the neighbor of russia, of those countries that, but hardly karone system, we need to explain that it's very far away, which means it's different to do now if you look at it that way for things that allow misunderstandings to occur, a part of what must be addressed and that the, the existing understanding what must be improved and have to be the mind. i see bang yet above us. why be thank you very much, mr. society for your time and for such an enlightening discussion. not only about the history, but also about what can be done in the future the

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