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of that was 1988 to 1992. and so if joe biden wants to do right by the palestinian people and to force change and force respect for human rights, he has to cut off arms transfers to israel. i'm very glad that you brought up the word genocide. i have a very close friend is a former deputy attorney general of the united states. he's a constitutional scholar and he talks a lot about genocide and he said that there's a very specific definition. internationally recognized. yep. definition of genocide and we're seeing it right now in gaza. this is a genocide. yeah, exactly, exactly, junk your yahoo is a host of the whistle blowers program, which is a great show. i enjoyed very, very much it was a this and you doing it for a great job on covering very uncomfortable truths, john, so i appreciate your hard work and we look forward to so much seeing you again soon and thanks for your time. my pleasure. thanks. have a great night. i thank you for your time and joining us,
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each the, the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. western relates endlessly declare. they are virtuous because of their so called values. the assault on the palestinians destroys the midst of their virtues and reveals they have no values at all. you know, this is the case when they say, i believe in free speech, but the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in kitchener. we have roberts latina, he is a journalist,
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as well as author of settler colonialism in palestine and cashmere. and until then we crossed to my home in mirandi. he was the professor at the university of drew and cried filming cross cypress. and the fact that means you can tell me any time you want, and i always appreciate why don't let me go to it for you 1st. here, you're our resident in the fishbowl. so you're, but your opinion is very valuable to us. the us house passed a bill that would conflate criticism of israel with anti semitism. i thought when you became a member of congress who took an oath to the constitution or am i getting something wrong? this is the constitution of the united states, and i hold it up and people say, there you go again. i peter, i don't even know how to tell you that this week i'm finding myself aligning with people that i swore i would never agree with. as of the time of day, jerry nod lettering adler with jerry and adler, who was a mighty congress person who, who is devoid of any even scintilla of reality,
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is a jew or a member is saying, anti semitism is a violate or excuse me, probations against the slot, the, for the age of the bad you, some of them is against the notion of free speech is son, constitutional. i just heard you're not going to believe this from the n y p, the police counter intelligence unit, a woman say that she's concerned about. i d is being discussed on campuses that deal with terrorism and get this people wearing scarves, heads, and bands associated with terrors. i'm going to get is this a co fee? yeah, i think he what is happening? one minute we have the n y, b, d r, resting no one for anything. now we're talking about i the ation thoughts
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and it's one last thing. it's not the thought police i worry about is the 5 digit land these? because if you watch fox news, oh my god, because what, what country am i live? well, yeah, exactly. mohammed and so then again, you know, there were, uh, the rules based order. uh, they like to echo, but look what they did to the students that uh, the university of california, los angeles. they allowed vigilantes to come in and clear those students using extreme force. and from what i understand, the police were either not there, or they just watched professor, as you know, what is amazing is that the united states and it's western allies. they don't seem to recognize that the world has changed. people see what's going on in new york, on campus at columbia university. they see what's going on in
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u. c. l. a while people in the united states are in the east coast may be a sleep. people in asia are watching the video video and he's crushed the protesters. so the united states and the europeans, not only are they violating all of the principles that they pretend to support, and not only is this rule based order, very different from what we are told that was supposed to be to be. but the united states and europeans are destroying their own soft power. they've already destroyed it yet, but they are dirt their main street, making sure that nothings left well, it certainly is the same robbery as we were captivated and rightfully so. what was going on with these anti war anti genocide? what's called? it's called them what they should be called. okay. protests we had visa slaughter continue in concert. so it's very interesting,
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was it all we see is the use of force without any legitimate backing to it whatsoever. what is real is that is doing is genocidal. and what the police are doing in the united states and breaking the law on so many different levels. and then you have the prime minister of israel, coordinating, it seems like official them in the united states. the what the, what to do about a crushing defense against his country and his regime. you can't get it. you can't make this stuff up. robert know you can't. and it's kind of shocking to think that in the year 2024 people are arrested for opposing genocide. and this idea of the the ad type is real participant, israel be submitted. this is this is and has for. busy a long time because even before it could've been caught in a fight and lost the professors are afraid to talk about it in your class. if they're talking about a colonialism, maybe the tongue. busy canadian colonialism, certainly, or quoted as ned states and if they ask their students,
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can you give us an example of colonialism if they say yes is. busy palestine, they can get in trouble for that. it makes students feel uncomfortable. well, if you're an universe that you're going to get comfortable, sometimes it just comes with the territory. because you're gonna be learning different things of being exposed to different ideas. so being uncomfortable, it's not criminal. then as you mentioned, benjamin netanyahu tell gunite it states that they have just to, to squash these or crush these, these protests who is the leader of any other country, let alone one that's been declared. and a part that we're seeing by, by several very respectful human rights organizations to tell you, lighted states how to deal with campus protest. this is actually, this is bizarre, this is unreal. it's likely fall down some, some rabbit holes somewhere. yeah. and we, and we have in the haven't learned any of the important lessons of the last 75 years last a 100 years. when it comes to international relations. we have the genocide
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conventions because a genocide was committed line. oh, you're a lawyer here, attorneys inside the bite and ministration. urge the us to cut off is real. also a group of 90 lawyers including 20, within the administration say israel's actions do not comply with us and international law. mean these are lawyers within the administration. okay. it's, it's, they shouldn't be shocked by people being demonstrating against their own lawyers. no, it's wrong. line. i'll, even though we're, we're just starting with this up. let me just do a couple of things out here. it's just the same people, gentlemen who, who, who, and i was one of the who said, why are you arresting j 6 protesters? many of these people were just standing there, or they were part of a washington tour, or they said, hey, what's all this noise next? we, you know, there, there are there crowd and thrown into an underground go log for the, for god knows how long. and they argued against it. we have jewel stein yet who is
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in the dictionary next to meek and passive and ha, i'm not horrible, isn't intellectually, but just the nicest she's you're standing there being cooperate by the police and they said, well, she shouldn't have been there. then this is the best part, the media will focus on these. lona techs who come forward. there was a woman who stood before a self appointed spokesperson, an expert, the media relations complaining about the fact that her food service cards had been discontinued and that they can't get certain bottled water when they are get this protesting against harvard. terrific, a did starvation in gaza and this woman is arguing about she didn't get the right flora gay, the water. i mean this is, i could, this is in say, and there's also can common to lead peaceful virility. your discussions never discussed. never mentioned by anybody in mainstream media. can scrap to jose uh,
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a palestinian talking without any problems. nobody talks about. yeah, it would be the interesting thing is that it seems to me that again, these protests are need to be covered. we're discussing them right now. but there is an offense of being organized against profit. and i think with this passage of this legislation, the senate will go along with it. you know, of course, this is just proforma, but they, they want to shut down any discussion and debate when that invasion starts. i feel it in my bones go ahead moment but what are they going to do when it does start? and when the genocide intensifies, when uh, the daily footage that we see on our cell phones gets worse. and when this riley machine will also fail on the ground, as it has already failed and causes a city in the north and elsewhere,
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what will happen in the united states will be students and other students remain quiet or well. the anger and discontent grow. and regardless of what happens in, in the united states, what will the rest of the world do? what will the people in the global south do what, what ordinary people in europe do? how will they respond to this? when they see on the one hand the united states is crushing descent when it's sending dogs to use c l a to beat and fat. are these students who as drew a guest, right? the point that we're just protesting, genocide, they're not doing anything but they're not even protesting against the the, the u. s. regime, they're protesting about what another regime is doing to, you know, to, to wipe out the policy, need people. so what, what is going to happen when the attack on the roof? i begin to, it's only going to make things worse for washington is going to make things worse
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for london. in fact, what, what do people in the global south think when they think when they look at china and the united states? so they see freedom versus authoritarianism. when they look at iran or mosque out tap, ron or moscow, what do they see? the, the united states as free and tap ron and mosque out as a for a terry and they don't see it that way. any more. why? because the capability of the western media to enforce this narrative across the world has collapse right now when i speak. i recently, i had a, an interview with piers morgan. and the reaction was hostile towards him. not towards me because people are seeing through the this narrative. so the united states is demolishing its empire. it's already been doing so. but this is, i think the last day it's, it's really interesting. how did you bring that up? here's martin because he had on the professor mirrors chime or, and i never so i,
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i, i've never seen in my life a host embarrassed himself by his own stupidity and a double down and a triple out. and it was just amazing that he even put it on youtube anyways. so humiliated. but that's what, that's what happens when you, you support the powers that be and you don't interrogate troops. ok, that's i, i think that's what foreshadowing what we're going to see. more of gentlemen, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state bar to the when the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world india as voice
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matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians pictures. design to simplify will confuse really once a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground, can of the
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1934 prance invaded algeria and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position, the column is known as the new art did the best land from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was briefly exploited. this caused them as discontent. the people of algeria began their long term fight for independence. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress, to rebuild you and using cruel measures. whole villages were wiped out acts of georgia and executions of civil people including pregnant women, children and old people took place more than 2000000 people were born into
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concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help. cl, jerry and patriot managed to induce france. besides these negotiations. in 1962 heavy and a guards were assigned 40 l. jerry on the bass warrants independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians, the french colonists are responsible for the debts of one and a half 1000000 algerians. the welcome make the cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to mind you were discussing policy the. all right, let's go to robert here. robert. it's very interesting. they in the waiting times
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it comes to is real. it's always an exception. it's different. uh they, it's a special case, etc. but actually if you look at what's going on a minute, nothing. yeah. who's campaign against the, obviously the people of gaza but also targeting him us. this is just another example of a forest regime change that started in the former yugoslavia and went all to the middle east and now they're trying to do it in, in gaza. but roberts, i'd like to point out, it never works and never works out the way you expect it to. and they're trying and again, these people have no learning curve, and professor mirandi is absolutely right. they're their soft power of abilities are dissipating or it's gone. go ahead, robert. yes, it, it never works because united states, other western governments forget that people in different countries have loyalty to their countries. they have a way that they want their, their governments to run. they don't want to be forced into some kind of a form of government that is not to their liking. one example going back
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a while is, is there on the united states and 1953, i believe, was over to the government of iran and installed the doodle shop and he will for joy. 30 years. i believe it was until the people of iran river a ritual. hm. and it's taught a government to their liking. now any government has problems, any government issues, they're going to be some people that disagree with certain government policies. doesn't mean the one over to the government, and they say it doesn't mean that they want a government forced by the united states to be, to be installed in their, in their nation. and when we talked about the forthcoming rasa innovation, which is going to be just so brutal and so bloody at how the, this new ball repressing descent is going to play out in it. people who are protesting know that they're following all, all the rules that the government sets for their, their protest. the purchase is worthless. it's, it's an exercise in futility. so if in the university campuses, people are,
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they have to have 2 days. notice that they're gonna have a protest, they have to be in one certain area and stay there. well, they know that's a waste of time. they might just will not bother. they're going to take action. that is going to get them publicity and get what i'm well, i mean a rubber today. i agree with you. i mean, if the authorities aren't going to play by the rules and why should the student say this is what we're just sending into the abyss right now. line or, you know, you love words, you know, again, this whole phrase um, but from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. well, who has the right to determine what that means? because when i say it, when i think about it, i think about everyone being free, the palestinians, jews, secular, people, all people being equal from the river to the sea. but i can get them a lot of trouble. they probably have already gotten myself into trouble by saying that, but i will not allow someone to tell me what my words mean. go headlines. well,
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either a couple of things to do this is you, you, you talking about great words. i go back to the words of our senator daniel patrick moynihan, who brought above deluxe the most nearly pill of occasion. one time, which is the action of estimating is worthless, which is what i feel i'm doing. what i'm trying to explain to people what's going on at least here, let me give you the example. there was a senator who said, because there was a talk, a bite and bringing folks over from gaza to the united states. oh no, no, no, we can't do that way my why? well because their home, my supporters and their id already and i, so i asked and somebody said, you know, you're right about that because if there's one thing we got to get to the bottom of, it's all the fun to know, cartels in gaza and he goes what are you talking about as a whole lot again, right now. next they talk about ideology. i said, why wasn't anybody interested? it's in the, as all battalion and right sector, and neo nazis in ukraine. you. so just stick with your program. i'll go along with
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you, but you can change the rules in mid stream and then expect to, and by the way, i sound like the most unpatriotic only in america. could you pull this off where you could save the most? blatantly loaded chris, hypocritical nonsense, and nobody will call you out because we don't know because remember in, in here how much gaza is real. but if this is just gone low of term, what does be an extra little h. lionel it's, it's a liberal, isn't ok and it's toxic and it can kill you and it's certainly kills a lot of people around the world mohammed. one of the interesting things for me is that, you know, when they mention in the media, when they talk about israel, well, let's be more specific. this is a sinus, presume it is run by a zionist ideology and people that adhere to it. okay. and what we have is design ization of the west. okay. a willingly allowing themselves to be colonized by these
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ideas. yes, and it is, it is the starting, the rest, the west. and, but what is what is happening now is because of the sheer brutality of this right of your machine. people are waking up to this fact. the reason why they're passing this law is speak is because they're desperate. and i think it shows how this ravings and designed this lobby, which by the way, is there more christian scientists, as we all know, then jewish scientists. and there are many scientists who are secular. so this is has nothing to do with do days and many jews are completely against this genocide. and this really regime in the same is true with chris christians and others. but there's really what she doesn't care about the united states. it doesn't care. i oh yeah, she is willing to sacrifice the credit ability and the image of the united states
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for its own sake. there's really prime minister says crushed defense and a crushed dissent. there's really redeem calls on the united states to silence these pick these young people. and these people will be side is what does that have? as i said earlier, it destroys the united states image abroad. but it also destroys the image of the united states for the younger generation. young americans who were taught to believe that this was the land of the free and the home of the brave. now they are waking up to a reality, which is almost takes the exact opposite of what they were told. yeah. yeah, there was because they didn't realize that they are brave, but they're, they're governed by cowards. that's what they are coward. so okay, it's interesting, robert used to be up until october 7th. is it that should be the center of everything? it was. it was an important day, but there's a long history before. but before october 7th, at least for the western world,
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particularly americans that are intentionally unimed and educated about this is a, remember the phrase, it's complicated that was always it of, oh just because it's been going on along to its complement. that's no longer the case. people are being educated, they're educating themselves, it is easy to do that. and this is what the leads were afraid of. they were afraid of the truth. i guess they are the fact the idea that this is complicated is just a method spend a minute perpetuated by us government officials and the very obedient media for decades. it isn't complicated. all it involves international law and basic human rights laws and rights that are in trying and united nation step. united states has signed onto and united states as violate them rights as violate its own laws to lady law, for example, which says that a military aid cannot be given to a country that doesn't reach a certain minimal standard of human rights is here it is real comes nowhere near
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close to that. there are other domestic laws that it, it violates there's a big complicate about this. this is not a religious issue. it is not the jews versus muslims at all. it is an issue of colonialism, of one very dominant nation, repressing a nation with no army, maybe no military whatsoever. and the dominant nation is supported by the most powerful nation on the planet. there is nothing equal about the, the conflict. it's not a war, it's not, it's simply a genocide. it's been a slow going genocide for decades as israel has attempted with some success to erase palestine by stealing land. just. busy as a member of power steering and killing many thousands of them over the over the decades. so it's not that complicated about this and that narrative is finally finally a being switched and being recognized for what it is, which is just a major lie. and it's not holding water anymore, you know, line one of the big problems about getting to controlling this narrative. what,
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what's going on in god's, in, in the right to protest is that there's a lot of american jews involved in these protests here. and they just have a hard time explaining that away vinyl. oh, absolutely. and. and again, many people believe that there is this monolithic organizational. yeah, that you, you, you, you, you become a member of the club and this is your articles of faith. i gotta tell you this one, this is the best part about this. you're talking about people that i'm listening to . i thought i was hallucinating. i'm listening to michael moore the other night. i'm thinking, oh my god, he'd make sense. let me tell you what's gonna happen in about 6 months. there's gonna be the election and donald trump's going to win this thing and if he ever thank anybody, he'll say, i want to say joe biden. i want to think this ridiculousness because gentleman, what's happening right now is people, especially in new york, are seeing, hey, that's what the police look like irrespective of what they're doing,
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whether right or wrong. but people are saying, you know, we have been so bereft of this notion of law and order. and gavin newsome in california the governor who was supposedly up until just recently going to be the last and it could be the replacement. the candidate california is tumbling into the sea, is daily then with in tone. it is a cut pastor of feet and people are now saying, what does this sound like, peter? we always go back to watch, out of $9068.00 order law and order next in chicago. look at what people doing is you idiots use social jarvis vinyl. i wish i could be that optimistic. well, i'm going to finish up the program with my home, and here is that we have this unit party here. we have republicans, and we have democrats here in there on the wrong. these leaders are on the wrong side of history. and i think that's what there's a class will be a societal class against the leads and got one minute go ahead. so i think that's
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a really important point. i think both of you are correct in the sense that trump will probably be elected. but i think increasingly, people across the board are going to see that trump will be no different than biden . and that is going to create even further this illusion meant among americans. they will see increasingly that the united states is not a democracy. is one of despotic regime with 2 factions which agree on almost every being almost every for exactly. well, unfortunately the, you know, this is a way if it's the election is going to be determined by donors and it probably will be, we're gonna find ourselves exactly in the same dreadful place. gentlemen, that's all the time we have a one, i think my guess is in case in our new york and in colorado. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our dc and next time remember prospect the.

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