are ways too late, but you have the option or time. you're welcome back to going underground, broke of single around the world from the you a hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing americans to finally hear assigned to the story view as war and russia through ukraine. meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support. given by dividing the administration with tens of thousands killed, most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region.

the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activists scholar and freedom fica is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from new york. thank you so much a professor west for coming back on going underground. it's been a long time ago really. and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this yeah. oh shooting for all 50. should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 member . very much so we can really, it is began in an intense way until just

a week or 2 ago because it is in the states. the do, i believe, is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidate. so you'd begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until of february 1 in most states, and saw that. that's why we already got the last and we got oregon brass, we have number already, but we're on the move for good 15 by the eyes. of march, and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide then before more on your campaign, you know, fan of don't know. but you could stop by means the backing of genocide, stop the u. s. u k, back bombing of syria, rog, him and if you a president daily, of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of ours. um, would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um, your reaction to president biden, after all you are, is a bolger of is in a way,

last time around. i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me in critical but and i've tried it before then enter fascist coalition thinking it. but i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality in mass incarceration to cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. and that's why i'm truly convinced that he's no major alternative to the deal fast as option of trump. that by themself is not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing is quarter of a part time like regina. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro, labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him. the same as doing the black community brings in some black faces, an i places and yes,

deal reinforces policies that do in black for one working people. and so i, i view by, by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground. because uh for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. this is worse than anything trump could do. the mass, most of you know, many women. and i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers. ready with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attack. so impressions, palestinian brothers and sisters up. but the shift i think that took place for me

was that uh, i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty. and even when he got powered child poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. but it expired in child poverty rate double again. you see i come out of the legacy was i'm gonna have alicia's come depaula. but when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless this i want to store credit union move is $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure that wall street is not just wall and then i'm very much for workers control. i want, i want to see workers voice shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopoly in the beginning, but the few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with prophets in calling in the course in future the plan. so that it's

a better not just a progressive, but it's, it's a, a, a deeply, deeply, revolutionary fission and platform and policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological pos, possible nuclear, deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more now we've got estimating levels of hatred that are spitting out of control. we've got an organized 3 that's on steroids. what are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it and, and in addition to the structural and institutional one, what i'm sure you expected it, what are the kinds of, uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment there once binding to when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean he's

a co conspirator. in genocide, the limits is fascinated not by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. i said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power what would be worth for work? people in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not this year, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of the year. and a half middle east that aged in latin america. but all it meant was that i was called in the questionnaire version of t. now you remember margaret, that's tina. there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself. become well adjusted in just in those and no, no, not at all. there is an alternative in my campaigns. nothing but a moment in a moment. this band for to keep in mind you see change i'm talking about and that

come about when president won't come about with disability. we're talking about social movements as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need a 100 military units around the world. we don't need special operations. and a 130 countries. the american empire is in the k. we need to dismantle them by the united states is to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who's clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from, well,

it's not do quite no worries. there is on israel, easiest with love for the right wing been been buying is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem. defer. and julia is really a lead district, deferring to the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no traveling. i just found that actually professor actually you can see and trumpet doing the same thing is biting is as regards the ongoing one of the last month. oh no, because he didn't start and he was remember uh, trying to be a fascinated people. he killed people and he type near part averaging. he incurs noise in the apple, gee, the one they talked about, not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. and not say in a moment, worried about the vicious suffering and fell experience under apartheid region. so that in that sense, he doesn't have an integral, is bone in his body. he's

a nice relation of this was very different. so he, when i, i do view nato as an extension of american. the german is a sensitive american imperial foreign policy. and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view, his critique of nature. we were spending too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves and we will pull back. but give them a window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. but given that is where any cabinet minister is adult about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions in terms of new data engines that drain rusher and nato. isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents as regards a war and the military industrial complex or what it says on what kind of coalition is talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of costs and see in terms of the truth and the condition is

truth to allow, so to speak. so for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got it wrong. now iran has their critique of bud. it's, it's good at times, it's very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of mueller or deluxe. i supported women, live street, a low, i support those who are resisting against the form of domination with them. same is true with rush. rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critique, so the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination and assignment thing, if this isn't a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone. we're a political solidarity so that the coalition of that i'm top not just the function of re out politic, but it's also a commitment to truth commitment to just as we're ever whatever context we talked

about. let me put this in here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean, tucker carlson on fox news used to say all sorts of strange things about immigrant . he doesn't have an enzyme fairly bone and well the, the but it hasn't the change on people changing and becoming more. you just see it as isolationism, right wing eyes laser right ling popular is a right wing for he's got a critique of the beats. and of course i have my critique of the late, but his critique to release the same modeling word about mass incarceration at home . then say among them word about anti poverty program doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but at the end of the problem is the guess various forms of the least it makes him look, it appears as if he a critique of imply what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who was like your running for president? it isn't now the time,

and would you have to try and you like and get this affordable? those people will remember what was, what, what, what was it? malcolm echo says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now paying advice at as yeah, no, the train delayed it though, but if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand we're not a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice any way just in order to we in any way. now that's best not how i yeah, that's not elaborate sheet provides what i what i do have the restaurant stuff to do that. more from the 2024 us independent presidential candidate after this break, [000:00:00;00]

the video of alleged abuse by an officer today for sheriff's deputy in columbia, south carolina forcibly removed his student from a classroom at spring valley high school. i saw him just talked to her square in her and initially, you know, i didn't think there's a problem because i knew that she was just as quiet susie in the class. someone looked at the police officer and says, here was law enforcement that is worse. clearly attacking, abusing power in a torch and other than others besides, this is what's wrong with the probably be on discipline. black children,

he was there, enforcing a lot to meet the crime, to quote, disturb schools in any way. that means any disturbance that any kids causes in school is probably huge and forces never predict but necessary. a tops people were never gonna change them out. and so people will never change their minds. but video, they think i was wrong. and that's the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with professor cornel west. 2024 us independent presidential candidate, you know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that um, as you designate the right wing of populist isolation, just like dr. costs and are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east. the big story as well as gaza is that the iran con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. he made some comments about his over throw being conducted at the hands of

a us conspirators. and so it reminds a lot of people in your raise your, in the middle east and africa and latin america are about. the us is sponsorship for democracy is it's called in the state department. what would you do is president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us state that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it destroy any idea of democracy? or, you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of the c i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region, we can talk about why them all at least talk about iraq. we could talk about review of the stuff, but dominican republic can talk barbara needed to talk about panama. we need to be,

they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the united states has been a anti democratic force around the world. been pro market always been obsessed with profit, always been obsessed with the international monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky peoples in africa and latin american ages. so there's a pedagogy, a function here. so people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looks at the world through the lands. oh, poor and working people here and around the world. and therefore,

the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary fund. contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people. one just create african board was the and age and board was the 11 american boys while the which assembly partners with, with the international capital to can 10 year to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own for people. as i mean, trump again coming from a very different philosophy, your philosophy is the right word to describe. but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of i'd be if we, i ca, i mean, i don't know is more than come with the weather mind about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like i'm job job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism vacant bay. we had an $1840.00 stage more that conquer mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. used

to be mexico. texas used to be mexico. arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing and mexico on the left of that truck now using the same language that's 19th century imperial language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there's any similarity to myself. and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than the neo live is dropped, presents his meal. fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of, by then the flip side of neo liberalism is what militaristic as god, militaristic attacks the human militaristic, latin american, past, africa at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering a couple of runs to venezuela. uh if uh if,

if uh what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again, i have to say it, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage. there's something very similar to your view about what is being done to the poor working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with the lead? you're going to forgive it in con is, would be late in the black. it was, and the brown, it was in a full big, deeply, white supremacists, very, very different. land is the, which is viewing the world when he talks about sap. that's all but the plan, the, the decay and the plan, the impact, yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to, but i position it takes. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is a better the general like the low lies,

whether you do get it and then that is still a line of full life and he got his own life. i found some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be bubble just to be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really to make how many wall street games has went to jail and inside of trading market manipulation. predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one in the bottom right now. one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side left side sacramento that in other parts and went to jail. so we just, um, i guess not revenge though. mean, you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just again, trump, it is upset with revenge. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is a against any president trying to bring in free health care,

given them some our financial power of that low be. why do you think is that they continue to have such a power as the even the by the ministration admits the price of co pays and all of this private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more for it. so it can end up in the company's profit sheets. we just don't have enough power. you know, organize, money is low profit at the moment and organize people, which means that people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but that the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, uh, is, is organize people on the streets going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have other people still supporting the bible version of

democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system as well? i mean, that's a wonderful question though, but because i'd rather be of course, in the account myself, but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money, your status title and cowardly mess which cuts across color cuts across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those will sell to sold as so in relation to any vision that's changing the world, the name of poured and working people and is highly probation. how i mean, this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places are sold as sold and want to act as they have. their very existence is a lift list as a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing,

working people. and yet in the name of the i agree with the ink to generalize any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the black and predict when a port working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress on answering questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions and it was the white republicans, whereas can put new ones. anyone could see that or is that a pro we want further questions from anybody and every body? i'm so craddick in that sense though, even still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press in the united states and that's where we got to cali press. we've got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually wrestle

with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the military is expansion of the military budget. those years boutiques of wall street, no stairs could take some corporate great and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party, both fox news and in as nbc, and they all had trump and you had trump is more popular than ever. yeah. that's true. that's true. as the as president. uh, would you immediately and this extradition from torture of julian, i sancha who kind of exemplifies of repress. it was the 1st day of the party, julie, this also followed me me a bu, jamal. uh i would, i would be able to look and ask for rich savage. she could come home if she wanted to do. all of those will be um, had been um,

fairly incarcerated owing to their political views. and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un, unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire. that's all brother julian de. and it's sad to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a moment word about their fellow journal. just shows the level of the 5 percent as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan paul and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be spent not on killing machines, but on american progress. character, assassination,

literal assassination. marginalization versus the tax to misconstrue, misunderstand. but even given that intense bomb bar, the great tradition to, to tell in adjust to seeking steel goes on. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they killed the body, the spirit in new body build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just doing capsulated your campaign and one marks you have different a robot kennedy to donald trump, to genocide josie's gold. to encapsulate what is the platform a blood full of what is was put in poor and working people at the center here in around the world. this man meant in power on the sheet,

democratic possibilities and also connecting the struggle to justice, the level of beauty, those musicians and the artists play a fundamental role as we enact the kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance need just to introduce america to the best of itself, that's martin king as edwards a does rabbi, as well as dorothy day. that's curtis mayfield and john coltrane. how's it going out west? thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and god's in jerusalem will be back on monday, focusing on another us 2020 full presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book and a trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then. keep in touch by all social media of it. so incentive your country and add to a general feeling how you're going to be a normal. don't come to what you and all that. but so it's, i'm going on the grand see monday,

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