the action or time, so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing americans to finally here and on the sides of the story of the us war and russia through ukraine. meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support given by the by did ministration with tens of thousands killed most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money. going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region. the international community is waiting for a new us president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help me determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activists scholar and freedom fighter is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from new york. thank you so much

a professor west for coming back on going underground. it's been a long time, gaily and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot full on the 5th of november this yeah. oh shooting for all 50. i should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer, and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 my but very much so we can really, it is begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in the states, the luckily is so deeply colonized dominated by big money, make it difficult for independent candidates. so you begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until february 1 in most states. and so that, that's why we already got a last and we got oregon brass, we have a number already,

but we're on the move for good 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june, and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide, then be a little more on your campaign. you know, fan of don't know, but you could stop by means the backing of genocide stuff, the u. s. u k back bombing of syria. rog, him and if you a president, clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of hours. so would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um your reaction to president biden . after all, you are is a bolger of his in a way, last time run. i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical. but i'm not trying to be part of an anti fascist coalition thinking it. but i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality in mass incarceration to cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. and that's why i'm really convinced that there is no major

alternative to the deal fascist option to try that by themself is not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing is a quarter of a prototype like regime. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro labor fully shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway. workers in this straight in the labor movement too often steal up for him. same as doing the black community. he brings in some black faces an i places and yet still reinforces policies that do in blackboard and working people. and so i, i view but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is,

it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground because of, for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president, this is worse than anything drum could do. the mass mother, you know, many women and i mean i think we need to have american lawyers. ready with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attack. so impressions, palestinian brothers and sisters up the shift i think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty. and even when he got power, jalap, aubrey, in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. but it expired in

child poverty rate double again. you see, i come out of the legacy was i'm gonna have to listen to the come depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless this i want to store credit union moved with $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure that wall street is not just wall again. i'm very much for workers control. i want. i want to see workers voice shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling for the nationalization of some of the major majors and often in the beginning with the few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with prophets in calling in the course in the future. the plan so that it's a, a better not discipline rescue. but it's, it's a, uh, a deeply, deeply revolutionary vision and platform and policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological, pos,

possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more. now we've got estimating levels of hatred and spinning out of control, we've got to organize 3 that's on steroids. what are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it and, and in addition to the structural and institutional one, what i'm sure you expected it, what are the kinds of, uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that one's bite into when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean he's a co conspirator in genocide, to me is fascinated now by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions i said to myself,

i wish i had that kind of power. what would be worth for work? people in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of that b, as in apple, middle east, that agent in latin america. but all admit was that i was calling in the questionnaire version of t. now you remember margaret tina, there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted to injustice. and those saying no, no, not at all. there is an alternative in my campaign, nothing but a moment. in a moment, this band board to keep in mind the change of talking about will not come about when president won't come about with just voting. we're talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation the economy nation states. and of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need 800000000, it's around the world. we don't need special operations. and

a 130 countries, the american empire is in the k. we need to dismantle in body dining space, is to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well is not do what we no worries them is on israel just left for the right wing didn't bite and is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem, defer and julia is really a leads district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no traffic away i just found that actually provides

actually use you can see and trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one to me last month. oh no, because he didn't start and he was remember trying to be a fascinated people. he killed people and he typed in your part averaging. he encouraged those in yahoo, he is the one that talked about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt in that say in a moment word about the vicious stuff in your cell experience. under apartheid region, so that in that sense you doesn't have an enzyme grill is bone in his body. he's an isolation of this was very different. so he would, i, i do view nato as an extension of american. the german is essentially the american imperial foreign policy, and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. here's boutique and nate. joey has been too much money,

easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves, and we will pull back a given window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the college actually. but given that it is raining, cabinet minister is that don't about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions in terms of new data engines that drain rusher in nature isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. as regards a war and the military industrial complex of what it says on what kind of collisions talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of the conference in terms of the truth. and the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. so for example, in the one hand, i mean you've got, you got a row, ron has their critique of bud. it's, it's good at times it's of very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of mueller. a deluxe, i support women live street

a low. i support those who are resisting against the form of domination with them. same as julie rush, rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led toward what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structuring the domination in the silent thing of this isn't a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone with a political solidarity. so the coalition of that i'm top mattress, the function of re out politic. but it's also a commitment to truth. remember to adjust as were ever whatever context we talked about. let me put this in here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean, tucker calls and on fox news, you should say all sorts of strange things about immigrant ada now and, and think bill is voting well the, the, but it hasn't the change on people changing and becoming more. you just see it is

isolationism, right? wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father. he's got a critique of the beats, and of course i have my critique. he'll be late, but his critique to release doesn't say among them worried about mass incarceration at home that say among them worried about anti poverty program. doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an end, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leads. it makes him look and appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who is like your running for president? it isn't now the time in which you have to try and you like and get this affordable . those people will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm, michael says supported the right wing. senators view on the defensive extreme is now being a vice it yeah. middle, the trained, deleted the brother. if we're going to have person to support me,

i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not a guard braddy politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice any way just in order to we in any way. now that's best not how i yeah. that's not a lateral sheet. finds out what to do at the west. i'll stop you. the more from the 2020 for us independent presidential candidate after this break the the, what is part of the visit that the

employee would post good isn't the, the place you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present, let's stop without collision is best of product of the welcome back to going on the right. and i'm still here with professor going out west 2024 us independent presidential candidate, you know, professor we were talking about one about the fact that um, as you designate the right wing the populace to isolate you just like dr. costs and are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east. the big the story as well as gaza is that the iran con, the who used to run focused on democratically elected leader. he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of

a us conspirators. and so it reminds a lot of people in your raise your, in the middle east and africa and latin america about the us is sponsorship for democracy is it's called in the state department. what would you do is president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is use the bully pulpit to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of the c. i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region, we could talk about why them all at least talk about iraq. we could talk about resistance, we started, but dominican republic. i'm talking about renee that you talk about panama. we need

to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the united states have been a anti democratic force around the world's been pro market. always been obsessed with profit. always been obsessed with the international monetary fund into world bank extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and working peoples in africa and latin american ages. so there's a pedagogy called a function here. so people that understand my vision, because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands, oh, poor and working people here and around the world. and therefore the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary fly. contrary to the

world bank, i own empower poor and worky people, one just create african bourgeoisie and asian boys. while the 11th american boys, while the which are simply partners with, with the international capital, to can tenure to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own for people. as i mean trump again coming from a very different philosophy. your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of, i'd be if we, i ca, i mean i don't know is more and come with uh the weather mode about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like, i'm job. the job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism. they can be, we had an $1840.00 stage more. they cocker. mexico took 50 percent of all and mexico i grew up in california. used to be mexico, texas used to be mexico,

arizona used mexico with the us invasion and mexico on the left of that truck now using the same language that's 19th century interior language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there is any similarity to myself and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than, than the live because drop presents his meal. fascism is, it is an alternative to the neo liberalism, of, of, of by the flipside of neo liberalism, is what militaristic, gaza, militaristic attacks of the human militaristic, latin american past africa, at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering a little of runs to venezuela. uh if uh if,

if uh what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again, i have to said, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage that something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in a con is would be late in the black. it was and the brown, it was been a full big be blue white supremacists, very, very different lans to which is viewing the world when he talks about sap that talk about the plan, the, the decay of the plan, the impact, yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position to critique. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is a very, the general like the low lies, whether you do get it and then as a still

a line of whole life and he got his own life. i it's not someone say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really, to me, how many wall street games has went to jail and inside of trading market manipulation. predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one of the bottom right now. one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side of black side sacramento that in other parts that went to jail. so we just, um, i guess not revenge though. i mean, you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just may again, trump that is obsessed with resent. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressures against any president trying to bring in free health care,

given them some our financial power of that lobby. why do you think uh, his that the they continue to have such a power has the, or even the by the ministration admits the price of co pays. and all of this private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more for it. so it can end up in the company's profit sheets. we just don't have enough power, you know, to organize money as low as possible at the moment and organize people, which means people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, uh, is, is organize people on the streets going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have the people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your

system? a well, i mean, that's a wonderful question because i'd rather be eclipse in the account myself. but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money or status title and cowardly. and this which cuts across color cuts across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those will sell to sold as so in relation to any vision that's changing the world, the name of poured and working people and it's highly probation. how and this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places was sold as sold and want to act as they have. their very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing,

working people and get in the name of i agree with that, the ink to generate any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the light and predict when a port working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress answering questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions and it was the white republicans, whereas can put new ones. anyone could see that is that a pro we want further questions from anybody and every body? i'm so craddick in that sense though, even still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press in the united states? well, we got a cowardly press. we've got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with

the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the military is expansion of the military budget. no seriously changed the wall street no stairs boutiques of corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party, both fox news and m as in dc, and they all had trump and you had trump is more popular than ever. yeah, this is true. that is true as a, as president. uh, would you immediately and this extradition from torture of julian sancha, who kind of exemplifies of repress with the 1st day of part, julie, this also thought me a bu, jamal. i would, i would like to ask for step chavez. she could come home if she wanted to get all of those who would be, i'm had been

a fairly incarcerated onto their political views, and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire. that's all brother julie in the end is said to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a mom and word about their fellow. joe just shows the level of the 5 percent as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan paul and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education and looked like they're coming anywhere near power. as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be spent on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination, 0, assassination,

marginalization. there's just a tax to misconstrue, misunderstand, but even given that intense bomb bar, the great tradition to, to tell in adjust the seeking steel goes on, not prep. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they kill the body, the spirit in new body build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just to encapsulated your campaign and we'll mocks you at different that robert kennedy to donald trump, to genocide joe, is he's gould to encapsulate what is the platform the platform of what is, was putting poor and working people at the center here in around the world. of dismantling the empire on the sheet, democratic possibilities, and also connect them to struggle to justice is

a level of beauty. those musicians and the artists play a fundamental role as we enact that kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance needed to introduce america to the best of itself. that's martin king, as edwards, a guest rabbi, as well as dorothy day, that's curtis mayfield and john coltrane. professor going out west. thank you and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and god's in jerusalem will be back on monday, focusing on another us 2020 full presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book and a trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then. keep in touch by all social media of it. so incentive your country and add to a general feeling how you're going to be a normal. don't come to what you and old episodes i'm going on. the grand see monday, the

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state of israel requests the court to reject the request for the modification. an indication of provisional measures submitted by the republic of south africa. israel attack, hold at an international court of justice, hearing as the country tries to shift the blame for a top 10 says that has killed more than 35000 in gaza. a med criticism from the u. n to us and build a floating docks to deliver aid to god the most land crossings remain closed. as the drivers trying to deliver much needed supplies are packed by is really sellers . also a dresser, a consolidations selected, median journalists, which for years has been built on the day the labeling appropriate.