[000:00:00;00] the i'm action or time, so you're welcome back to going underground, broke of single around the world from the you a hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing americans to finally hear assigned to the story view as war and russia through ukraine. meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons in support. given by dividing the administration with tens of thousands killed, most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses. i'm kaz for refugees across this region . the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help determine who ultimately gets elected in november?

the lifelong peace activists scholar and freedom fica is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from you. thank you so much, professor west for coming back on going underground. it's been a long time ag, daily and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this yeah. oh shooting for all 50. i should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer and by november 1 we're shooting 450 my but very much so we can really, it is began in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in the states, the luckily is so deeply colonized dominated by big money,

make it difficult for independent candidate. so you begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until of february 1 in most states, and saw that. that's why we already got the last and we got oregon brass, we have a number already, but we're on the move for good. 15 by the eyes of march, and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide, then be a little more on your campaign. you know, fan of don't know, but you could stop by means the backing of genocide stuff, the u. s. u k back bombing of syria. rog, him and if you a president, clearly of course trump says he would stop, it is a matter of hours. so would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um your reaction to president biden . after all, you are is a bolger of his in a way, last time run. i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me in critical buy. and i've tried it before then at the

fastest coalition thinking that i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality and mass incarceration to cut back on militarism. but i was wrong. and that's why i'm truly convinced that he's no major alternative to the neo fascist option of trump. that by themself is not just in the neighborhood of genocide, ethnic cleansing is quarter of a part time like regina. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him, saying this to him, the black community brings in some black faces in i places and yet still reinforces policies that do in blackboard when working people. and so i,

i view but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem, but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground because of, for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president. this is worse than anything trump could do. the mass, most of you know, many women. and i mean, i think we need to have american lawyers here with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on these vicious judges genocidal attacks all impressions, palestinian brothers and sisters up to shift. i think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about

the issues of poverty and even when he got powered child poverty in half the a very important executive order and congressional legislation. but it expired in child poverty rate doubled again. you see, i come out of the dream legacy was i'm gonna have a list has become depaula when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably a little ball as homeless. this our sport trade union move is $27.00 minimum weight . i want to make sure that wall street is not just wall again. i'm very much for workers control. i want, i want to see work in the voice of shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling for the nationalization of some of the major major monopolies in the beginning with a few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with profits in calling in the course in the future the plan. so that is a, a better not just a progressive, but it's, it's a uh, a deeply, deeply,

revolutionary vision and platform and policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes. ecological pos, possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states, but also spiritual and more, you know, we've got escalating levels of hatred and spitting out of control. we've got a organized 3 that's on steroids. there's some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about in it. and in addition to the structural and institutional want, what i'm sure you expect it, what are the kinds of reactions are you receiving from the pro biden establishment that one's binding to when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean, he's a co conspirator in genocide. this is what it means is fascinated note by the 1st

3 weeks when i bounced in june, i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions . i said to myself, i wish i had that kind of power. what would be worth for work? people in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not this year, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of the year was an appetite, middle east, that agent in latin america. but all admit was that i was calling into question their version of t. now you remember margaret baptist, tina, there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted to injustice. and those saying no, no, not at all. there is an alternative in my campaign, nothing but a moment in the movement. this band forward to keep in mind you see change of talking about will not come about when president won't come about with disability. we're talking about social move most as on the way to fundamental transformation,

the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hear the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need 800 military units around the world. we don't need special operations. and a 130 countries. the american empire is in the k. we meet the dismantled in part of the united states, needs to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well is the do what we no worries. there is on israel just left for the right wing, been been biting,

is in terms of moving the capital of jerusalem. defer. and julia is really a lead district, deferring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no trouble way. i've just found that actually professor actually you can see trumpet doing the same thing is by them is as regards the ongoing one of the last month. oh, actually now does he didn't start any was remember uh, trying to be a fascinated people. he killed people and he typed me a part at region. he encouraged, nathan, yahoo, he is the one is talking about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt in that say in a moment, worried about the vicious power spins under apartheid region. so that in that sense, he doesn't have an integral, is bone in his body. he's an isolation of this was very different. so he, with i, i do view nato as an extension of american. a. german is essentially american

imperial foreign policy. and therefore, my critique of nato comes from an anti imperialist point of view. here's critique and nato is spending too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves and we will pull back. but give a window here by them and at the end of the world, not through the ecology actually. but given that it is raining, cabinet minister as an adult about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions. the items are, mutate engines, that drain rusher in nature isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents. as regards a war in the military, industrial complex or what it says on what kind of collisions talking about. so here it is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency it costs and see in terms of the truth and the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. so for example, on the one hand, i mean you got,

you got a raw ron has there critique of bud. it's, it's, it's, at times it's not very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of mueller of deluxe. i support women live street a low, i support those who are resisting against the form of domination with them. same is true with rush, rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led for what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination into silence in a distance, this an a voices and so forth. so they are the moral consistency alone. we're a political solidarity. so the coalition that i'm taught, not just the function of re out politic, but it's also a commitment to true commitment to just as we're ever whatever context we talked about. let me put this in here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean tucker calls and on fox news used

to say all sorts of strange things about immigrants. he doesn't have an enzyme fairly boating. well even. but it hasn't the change on, on people changing and becoming more. you just see it as isolationism, right wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father. he's got a critique of the beach. and of course i have my critique of the late, but his critique to release them say a month and word about math and customer. ready and at home doesn't say among them, learn about anti poverty program. doesn't say that mumbling word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an end, as a problem, this will the guest various forms to be leads. it makes him look appear as if he critique solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who was like your running for president? it isn't now the time, and would you have to try and you like and get those affordable? those people we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm,

michael says supported the right wing senators view on the defensive extreme is now paying advice. yeah. and they'll do another train deleted the other if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice anywhere just in order to we in any way. now that's best not how i yeah. that's not how i proceed. professor, what do i do have going to west? i'll stop you that more from the 2024 us independent presidential candidate after this break

the of the welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with professor going out west 2024 us independent presidential candidate, you know, professor we were told here in part one about the fact that as you designate the right wing of populist isolation, just like dr causing, are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east, the big the story as well as gaza is that to him, or on con,

the who used to run pockets the democratically elected lead to he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of a us conspirators. and so it reminds a lot of people in your raise your, in the middle east and africa and latin america are about. the us is sponsorship for democracy is at schools in the state department. what would you do as president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. you know, one of the thing you have to do as president is usability. polk is to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of the c. i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic regime, we could talk about why them all at least talk about iraq. we could talk about resistance, we started,

but dominican republic can talk barbara needed. talk about panama. we need to be, they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to a knowledge to prove about the ways in which the united states have been a anti democratic force around the world's been pro, marked it always been obsessed with profit always been obsessed with the international monetary fund in the world bank, extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky people's in africa and latin american agents. so is it fair to guide you to a function here? so people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands. oh, poor and work,

the people here and around the world. and therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary. so contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people. one just create african board was the and age and board was the 11 american boys. while the woods are simply partners with, with the international capital, to can 10 you to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own for people. i mean, trump a game coming from a very different philosophy. your philosophy is the right word to describe, but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of i'd be if we, i ca, i mean i don't know is more and come with the weather mind about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like, i'm job. the job has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism. they can be,

we had an $1840.00 stage more. they cocker mexico to 50 percent of all. and mexico i grew up in california. used to be mexico, texas used to be mexico, arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing and mexico in the letter that dropped now using the same language. that's 19th century imperial language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there's any similarity to myself and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than the neo live is dropped, presents his meal. fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of, of, by the flip side. of neo liberalism is what militaristic, the gaza militaristic attacks of the human militaristic, latin american past africa. at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism and military keynesian is, i mean, in fantasy as far as i understand of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering

a little of runs to venezuela. uh if uh if, if uh what you're going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again, i have to say it, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage. there's something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in a con is, would be late in the black. it was, and the brown, it was in a full, big, deeply wise, the premises, very, very different lands do, which is viewing the world when he talks about sap. that's all but the plan the, the, the can be gladly impart. yes, the right about it. but i will not but one inch when it comes to a position in critiques. well,

stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is about the general like the low line, whether you do get it and then that is still a line of full life and he got his own life. i felt some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but are you going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really to make how many wall street gains went to jail, the inside of the trading market. manipulation, predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one in the bottom right now. one went to jail. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of the truck. ready side of black side, sacramento that in other parts and went to jail, but we just don't mind just not revenge though. i mean, you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just again, trump, this is obsessed with resent. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is

a against any president trying to bring in free health care, given that somehow of financial power of that lobby. why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power has the, or even the by the ministration admits the price of co pays and all of this private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more for it so it can end up in the companies, profit sheets, we just don't have enough power. you know, organized money is more powerful at the moment than organized people, which means people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but the, the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, uh, is, is organize people on the streets going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience or the other. other people have

other people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system as well? i mean, that's a wonderful question because i'd rather be eclipse in the account myself. but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money or status title and cowardly. and this would cost across color codes across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those will sell to sold as so in relation to any vision that's changing the world, the name of port and work, and people, and it's highly probation. how i mean, this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places are sold as sold and want to act as they have.

their very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing, working people and get in the name of a verse of the inc to generally any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination, orient 3 of them, and they should don't want to come to terms with the black and predict when to port working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress on answering questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions. and it was the white republicans. and whereas can put new ones, anyone could see that or is that a pro we want partly questions from anybody and every body. i'm so craddick in that sense the people still granted that low across the board. and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press now in the united states and that's where we got to cali press. we've got to press the depth is not willing to raise his voice directed to actually

wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the military of expansion of the military budget. no serious bouquets of wall street, no stairs could take some corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party, both fox news and in as nbc, and they all had trump. any a trump is more popular than ever. yeah. this is as true as the as president. uh would you immediately end this extradition from torture of julian? i sancha who kind of exemplifies of repress with the 1st day of part, julie, this also for me a bu, jamal. i would, i would like to ask step charlotte,

she could come home if she wanted to be all of those who would be i'm had been a fairly incarcerated owing to their political views. and i'm thoroughly convinced that my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un, unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crime that the american empire that's all brother julian de. and it's sad to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a mom and word about their fellow journals. it just shows the level of the 5 percent as you know, brother randy credit go and others have been talking about this with great trojan paul. and i stand with what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing, education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be

spent on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination, 0, assassination, marginalization. there's just a tax to misconstrue miss understand. but even given that intense bomb bar, the great tradition to, to tell in adjust the seeking steel goes on not bread. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they kill the body spirit. in new body build on that spirit, that is the good news. so just doing capsulated your campaign, and we'll mux you at different a robot kennedy to donald trump, to genocide. joe, is these gold uh to encapsulate what is the platform platform of what is, was putting poor and working people at the center here and around the world of dismantling the empire on the sheet,

democratic possibilities and also connecting the struggle to justice is a level of beauty, those musicians and the artists will play a fundamental role as we enact that kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance needed to introduce america to the best of itself. that's martin king. as edward's a. ready rabbi, as well as dorothy day, that's curtis mayfield and john coltrane. professor going out west. thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to the surviving the killing and gods and jerusalem will be back on monday. focusing on another us 2020 full presidential candidate donald trump's. we can do a full, i'm a senior official who argues in a new book and a trump is the swamp. he declares he wants to drain until then even touched by all social media. and it's so expensive your country now do i channel healing? undergrad tv on normal? don't come to what you and old episodes i'm going on the grand see monday,

the i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're so shorter is it conflict with the 1st law? should we live in justification? we should be very careful about our personal intelligence. the point obviously, is to create a trust rather than fit the various jobs. i mean with the artificial intelligence we have so many with him in the a robot must protect his phone,

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