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i'm action or town see and welcome back to going underground, broke out single around the world from the you a hold on the hills of tucker calls and allowing americans to finally hear, assigned to the story of the us war and russia through ukraine. meanwhile, no one is in any doubt that the plausible genocide in gaza was enabled by billions of dollars of weapons and support given by dividing administration with tens of thousands killed most of them, women and children. and now native nation outlawing of money going to the main u. n. 8 organization that educates houses and kaz for refugees across this region. the international community is waiting for a new u. s. president. could that be professor cornell west or could you help me determine who ultimately gets elected in november? the lifelong peace activist scholar and freedom fighter is running as an independent in the 2020 for us presidential election. you joins me now from new york to thank you so much, professor west for coming back on going underground. it's been

a long time gayly and now you're running for president before i get to the present president's backing of genocide in gaza for american view. as of this, what states will you be on the ballot for on the 5th of november this yeah. oh shooting for all 50 should be on a good 15 by march 30 in the summer and by november 1 we're shooting for 50 by but very much so we can really begin in an intense way until just a week or 2 ago because it in the states, the luckily is so deeply colonized and dominated by big money make it difficult for independent candidate. so you'd begin the process of getting, getting access to the ballots until february 1 in most states, and saw that. that's why we, we've already got a last of a get oregon brass. we have a number already, but we're on the move for good. 15 by the eyes of march,

and then 30 by june and then 50 by november. well, let's just go to the genocide, then be a little more on your campaign. you know, fan of, don't know, but you could stop by means the backing of genocide, stop the u. s. u k, back bombing of syria. rog, him and if you a president daily a goes, trump says he would stop it as a matter of hours. so would you, how would you do that and what is to be in your um, your reaction to president biden. after all, you are is a bolger of his in a way, last time round. i have always been a very, very strong forwarding to me and critical. but i'm not trying to be part of the fascist coalition thinking it. but i'm going to speak to the issues of wealth inequality in mass incarceration to cut back on militarism, but i was wrong. and that's why i'm really convinced that the he's no major alternative to the deal fast as option of truck. that by themself is not just of

the neighborhood of jo side, ethnic cleansing is a quarter of a part time like regina. but he also is so deeply, deeply tied to a kind of a mirage. as mirage is thinking that he's actually going to be pro labor only shows up for a few seconds and then pulls back and shuts down the railway workers in this straight. and the labor movement too often steal up for him. the same as doing the black community brings in some black faces in i places and yes, deal reinforces policies that do in black for one working people. and so i, i do but by himself as uh, not only part of the problem but no serious opposition to the escalating fascism in the united states. i mean, what changed it is, it does have changed since the last time i spoke to you on going underground because of, for you, the beginning me was donald trump. now we're talking about

a president. i mean, it's pretty rare that even though even international bodies like the world court can cost a verdict like possible genocide on a president, this is worse than anything drum could do. the mass mother, you know, many women and i mean i think we need to have american lawyers. ready with the south african lawyers and the others to bring justice to bear on the vicious judges genocidal attack. so precious power, spinning brothers and sisters up the shift i think that took place for me was that i was under the impression that he actually was going to do something about the issues of poverty. and even when he got 5 of child poverty in half, the a very important executive order and congressional legislation, but it expired in child poverty rate doubled again. you see, i come out of the legacy was i'm gonna have alicia's come depaula, when it comes with poverty on a ball is probably

a little ball as homeless this i want to store true. you moved with $27.00 minimum weight. i want to make sure it was fees and i guess, well then i'm very much for workers control. i'll, i want, i want to see work in the voice of shaping the destiny of the nation. therefore, i'm calling from the nationalization of some of the major major monopoly in the beginning with the few boston and few on illuminated given the ecological crisis. but i want to put it on a national and civic oversight to make sure that they're not contributing to the session with profits in calling in the course in the future. the plan so that it's a better not just a progressive, but it's, it's a uh, a deeply, deeply, revolutionary vision and platform of policy. and i think that's what we need because we're living in the moment of multiple catastrophes ecological off possible nuclear deeply economic and political united states,

but also spiritual and more now we've got escalating levels of hatred and spinning out of control. we've got to organize 3. that's on steroids. what are some very deep moral and spiritual issues that need to be talked about and, and, and in addition to the structural and institutional what, what to, i'm sure you expected it. what are the kinds of uh, reactions, are you receiving from the pro biden establishment there once? bite into when another time as president, despite, as i said, this international court ruling that well could mean he's a co conspirator in genocide. to me, it's is fascinating up by the 1st 3 weeks when i announced in june i became the major threat to american democracy and the enable of american fashions. i said to myself, i wish i had the kind of power what would be worth for work?

people in your neck, the enabling power in the mighty way, not just here, but around the world. i'm committed to those rest and all the rest of that b, as in apple, the middle east, that agent in latin america. but all it meant was that i was calling into question their version of t. now you remember margaret? that's tina. there is no alternative. you must fit and accommodate yourself, become well adjusted in just a and those and no, no, not at all. there is an alternative, in my campaigns, nothing but a moment in a moment, this band for to keep in mind is the change of talking about and not come about when president, it won't come about with just voting. we're talking about social movements as on the way to fundamental transformation, the economy, nation state. and of course, i want to hit the american empire in order to dismantle the empire. we don't need a 100 military units around the world. we don't these special operations and a $130.00 countries. the american empire is in the k. we need to dismantle in body

9 space is to be one nation among nations, a decent nation among other nations. i'm an anti imperialist candidate. well, if we put aside your big differences with trump, who is clearly the favorite to be the president of the next president, the united states. isn't that similar to what donald trump is saying when he talks about the waste of money on nato? when he talks about the waste of american expenditure on uh was in western europe is quite a slightly about the middle east because clearly has big donors from well is not due. quite no worries. there is on israel, easiest with most of the right wing been been buying is in terms of moving to capital drill zillow. your firm and julia is really a lead district referring to the, the, the, the, the design as lobbies at home. no traveling. i just found that actually, professor actually you could see trumpet doing the same thing is biting is as

regards the ongoing one of the last month. oh, actually now does. he didn't start any was remember trying. yeah. be assassinated people. he killed people and he type near part averaging. he incurs noise in the apple g is the one that talked about not just shifting the capital, but making sure that israel became even more and more acceptable with the various connection with egypt. and that's in a moment worried about that versus suffering and fell experience under apartheid region. so that in that sense, he doesn't have an integral his bone and his body has a nice elation of this was very different. so he, with i, i do view nato as an extension of american. the german is essentially the american imperial foreign policy. and therefore, my critique of nato come from an anti imperialist point of view. here's critique of nature. we will spend too much money, easier for you and don't deserve it. they need to secure it themselves and we will pull back. but give them a window here by them and at the end of the world,

not through the college actually. but given that is there any cabinet ministers that don't about using is rarely nuclear weapons. and of course, we've never seen such tensions in terms of new data engines that drain rusher and nato. isn't the time then for a grand coalition against the bible and all that he represents as regards a war and the military industrial complex, what it says on what kind of collisions talking about. so here that is to say that you have to be tied to a certain consistency of the conference in terms of the truth. and the condition is truth to allow, so to speak. so if, for example, on the one hand, i mean you got, you got a rock, ron has their critique of bud. it's, it's, it's, at times it's very similar to mine, but i have a critique of a wrong. i'm not a supporter of mueller. a deluxe. i support women live street in low. i support those who are resisting against the form of domination within the same. as julie rush,

rush itself was provoked by the expansion of nato. it led for what is going on ukraine, but i have my own critiques of the russian system and putting himself in terms of structure, the domination into silent thing, and this isn't a voices and so forth. so they are the more consistency alone we have a political solidarity. so the coalition of that i'm top mattress, the function of re out politic. but it's also a commitment to true commitment to just as we're ever whatever context the talk about me for the vision here, isn't there off of aspiration. i mean, tucker calls and on fox news, you should say all sorts of strange things about immigrant ada and, and think bill a boat and well the, the but it hasn't the change on people changing and becoming more. you just see it is isolationism, right? wing eyes laser right when popular is the right wing father. he's got

a critique of the beats and the 4th. i have my critique of the late his critique to release them, say among them word about mass incarceration at home. then say among them word about anti poverty program doesn't say the word about white supremacy. and he was so pro white supremacists and continues to be in a variety of different ways at home. but as an end, as a problem, this will be guess various forms to be leads. it makes him look and appear as if he could critique. solidify what is actually an imperial critique of imply, okay, who is like your running for president? it is now the time in which you have to try and you like and get this affordable. those people we, we will remember what was, what, what, what was it malcolm? michael says, supported the right wing. senators view on the defensive extreme is now being a vice it or yeah, no, the other train deleted the other. if we're going to have person to support me, i'm going to be taking my stands based on how i understand. we're not

a guard variety politician in that regard. i'm not going to sacrifice my commitment to choose and justice anywhere just in order to we in any way. now that's best, not how i yeah. that's not allowed to seek professional what i, what i do have for the rest of the company. do that more from the 2020 for us independent presidential candidate after this break. the welcome to explain. you explain to us the problem or look i'm a choice jamie price that is before you. so there's 2 more to keep going. as i mentioned earlier, is up to steep requirements, not express here, submit item, so you may to not as only can regards no problem, no, no,

but up in the front and then for the 5th. and if i know 4 will be street, the mention is pretty much puzzled by for me, i didn't know where it brings 2 of them over proof of those types of products that are coming out the most of the figure, a way of for to try and sell the most of the triple just the phone to the it's almost the that the system, the good little issues and you know, is welcome back to going on the garden. i'm still here with professor cornell west

2024 us independent presidential candidate. you know, professor, we were talking about one about the fact that as you designate the right wing of populist isolation, just like dr. carson are increasingly critical of u. s. foreign policy over here in the middle east. the big the story as well as gaza is that to him, or on con, the who used to run pockets the democratically elected leader. he made some comments about his own withdrawal being conducted at the hands of a us conspirators. and so it reminds a lot of people in your raise your, in the middle east and africa and latin america are about the us is sponsorship for democracy as it's closing the state department, what would you do is president, when it comes to all these different elements of the us administer us states that acts in all parts of the global south to as they see it, destroy any idea of democracy. you know,

one of the thing you have to do as president is usability. polk is to educate american citizens, american citizens need to know the fundamental role of c. i a fundamental role of us material foreign policy that over through democratic region, we can talk about what a model that we've talked about iran. and we can talk about review of the start, but dominican republic and talking about renee to talk about panama. we need to be they need to see the world through the lens of so many of our brothers and sisters in the so called global. so you see, so often there's not just a willful ignorance, but there is a, a refusal to acknowledge the truth about the ways in which the united states have been a anti democratic force around the world. been pro market always been obsessed with profits. always been obsessed with the international monetary fund and the world bank,

extracting resources as well as profit. but it has never ever been pro democratic in terms of empowering the poor and worky peoples in africa and latin american ages . so there's a credit guide you through a function here. so people that understand my vision because my vision is one that looked at the world through the lands. oh, poor and working people here and around the world. and therefore, the policy that i would promote would be contrary to the international monetary. so contrary to the world bank, i own empower poor and worky people. one, just create african board y, z and age and boys, while the latin american bourgeoisie, which assembly partners with, with the international capital to can 10 you to subordinate and dominate their own workers and their own poor people. i mean, trump, again coming from a very different philosophy, your philosophy is the right word to describe,

but where he's coming from at all has similar views about the super natural structure. the certainly as big views of, i'd be a free, i see a, i mean, i don't know is more than come with the weather mind about the f b i who knows. he doesn't like i'm job trump has been talking about using us forces to inmate mexico. that is as imperialism, they can be. we had an 1840 stage more. they cocher mexico took 50 percent of all that mexico i grew up in california, used to be mexico. texas used to be mexico. arizona used mexico over the u, as in beijing and mexico and a letter that trump now using the same language. that's the 19th century imperial language in that regard. so again, i don't see where the, there's any similarity to myself and in trump, in that sense, even though it is different than the neo live is dropped, presents his meal. fascism is a, is an alternative to the neo liberalism of, of,

of, by then the flip side of neo liberalism is what militaristic, a, gaza, militaristic attacks of the human militaristic, latin american past africa. at this very moment. well, neo liberalism can go with neo colonialism in military canes. it isn't in fantasy as far as i understand, of jumbled and his national security adviser was on this row. and it was trump who was offering a little of runs to venezuela. if uh, if, if uh what you are going to do is to take the funding from the war machine and the war state and he has it on. that's education on housing, on free health care for ordinary americans. what are you going to do to the leads that have subjugated most of the people in the united states for so don't again, i have to say it, you know, trump's, it organization was talking about american cottage. there's something very similar to your view about what is being done to the pool of working classes with united states over decades. but what, what do you do with dealing with that you're going to forgive it in con, is,

would be late in the black. it was, and the brown, it was been a full, big, deeply, white supremacists, very, very different land is the, which is viewing the world when he talks about sap that talk about the plan to the decay of the plan, the impact, yes, the right about it. but i will not budge one inch when it comes to a position to critique. well, stay on the line and steal the line for your campaign. it is about the general, like the ball line, whether you do get it. and then there are still a line of bull life and he got his own lie. it's some, some would say beethoven a bit of beethoven in that but but, but you're going to forgive these relates then due date is oh yeah, because they have to be brought to justice. be brought to justice. i'm talking about wall street really, to me, how many wall street gains has went to jail and inside of the trading market manipulation. predatory lending and fraudulent activity is not one and the bottom

right. not one with the deal. i had thousands and thousands of my friends and partners coming out of a truck that side left side sacramento, that in other parts that went to jail. so we just don't mind just not revenge though. i mean, you know, i don't, i don't believe in vicious talk about revenge. i just want just may again, trump, this is obsessed with resent. you don't hear a lot of talk about justice and trump. it all, you know, the pressure is a, against any president trying to bring in free healthcare given that somehow of financial power of that lobby. why do you think his that the, they continue to have such a power has the, or even the binding ministration admits the price of co pays and all of this private health insurance in milwaukee continues and the us taxpayer has to pay ever more for it. so it can end up in the company's profit sheets. we just don't have enough power. you know, organized money is low, powerful at the moment and organize people,

which means that people are not as well organized that we ought to be. but that the only thing that we end up changing in a way that i would like to change is, uh, is, is organize people power on the streets, going to jail, creating challenges, civic disobedience of the, the people who don't have the people still supporting the bible version of democracy by the democrats and they cowards. what is the role of cowards in your system? well, i mean, that's a wonderful question because i'd rather be of course, in the account myself. but the role of cowards of those who are willing to defer the powers that be for some kind of money, a status title and cowardly mess, which cuts across color cuts across gender, sexual orientation, and nation. it's a human thing, and it has to do with those who have given up on any rage, those who

a cell who sold as so in relation to any vision that's changing the world, the name of ford and working people and is highly probation. how i mean, this is why you baked with just the days because it is reward. that's why you see so many black faces in high places was sold as sold and want to act as they have. their very existence is a litmus tests, a black progress, a human progress. when is crushing, poor people is crushing, working people, and getting the name of the guy versus the ink to generalize any of the bureaucratic categories that are out there that don't want to come to terms with the issues of class domination or imperial domination. don't want to come to terms with the light and predict when to port working people. yeah, jenny, ellen was in congress science and questions. it was all the people of color that were asking or easy obsequious questions and it was the white republicans, whereas can put new ones. anyone could see that is that

a pro we want further questions from anybody and every body? i'm so craddick in that sense, the people still granted that low across the board and obviously democracy is nothing without a free press. do you have a free press now in the united states and? and when we got to cali press, we've got to press the desk is not willing to raise its voice directed to actually wrestle with some of the deeper questions that have to do with the future of america. there was a bipartisanship in, in, in the us press of the military is expansion of the military budget. no seriously takes a wall street, no serious critiques of corporate greed and silicon valley. you get that both democratic party, republican party, both fox news and m as in dc, and they all had trump. any a trump is more popular than ever. yeah. that's true. that's

true. as the as president. uh, would you immediately in this extradition from torture of julian? i son who kind of exemplifies of repress with the 1st day i park julie, this also pardon me, me a bu, jamal? uh, i would, i would probably like to ask for step shot, or she could come home if she wanted to do all of those who would be, i'm had been a fairly incarcerated owing to their political views. and i'm thoroughly convinced of my dear brother do. and the son has been unduly un, unjustly treated owing to what exposing the crimes of the american empire. that's all brother julian de. and it's sad to see that the journalistic establishment can't say a mom and word about their fellow journals. it just shows the level of the above present. as you know, brother randy credit going others. i've been talking about this with great trojan

paul and i stand with to what happens to politicians in the united states who advocate for free health care housing education. they look like they're coming anywhere near power, as they say that the things like nato should be dismantled and the money should be spent not on killing machines, but on american progress, character, assassination, literal, assassination, marginalization. there's just a tax to misconstrue, misunderstand, but even given that intense bomb bar, the great tradition to, to tell in adjust the seeking steel goes on, not prep. that's the good news. that's the good news. it can never be completely snapped out. never be thoroughly suffocated. even if they killed the body, the spirit in new body build on that spirit. that is the good news. so just to

encapsulated your campaign and won't mux you at different a robot kennedy to donald trump, to genocide. joe, is these gold uh to encapsulate what is the platform platform of what is was putting poor and working people at the center here in around the world that this man meant in power on the sheet, democratic possibilities and also connect them to struggle to justice is a level of beauty, those musicians and the artists will play a fundamental role as we enact the kind of spiritual awakening and political renaissance needed to introduce america to the best of itself. that's martin king. as edwards a does read by angel dorothy day, that's curtis mayfield. and john coltrane, professor going out west. thank you. and that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing him guys in jerusalem will be back on

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