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hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered i'm peter level is widely recognized that they can't be human. it's western batteries are losing the proxy war on russia. in the case of ukraine, it is obvious, bad news, but gets more bad news. the west appears incapable to comprehend is war on rush. it is an utter failure. the cross section ukraine i'm joined by my guess, got rid, are in delmar. he is a former intelligence officer and the united nations weapons inspector in san francisco. we have k, j. know he is a political analyst and journalist and in washington state. we cross andre might be on the e as a rider, as well as a military and political analyst. i gentlemen cross cycles, and in fact,

that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, scott, let me go to you 1st here. we can talk about maneuvers on the battlefield and the intrigues behind closed doors, what the economist likes to say. but i thought that, you know, tony blinking a rendition of new young's uh, a rocking in the new world really says it all. and so, earlier in the day, he's saying, you know, who's supporting you democracy in ukraine where it doesn't exist. are ukraine is an ex president now or holding off is presumably illegally. but he had time to go down to a basement and sing a song that actually has a completely different meaning that it's original ones for me, tony blake, and tells us everything we know about this utterly failed proxy war scott as well, we also need to point out that the basement that he performed in the midst of a memorial to the age of who mentioned that there, there is movement and everything that represents the reality of fiction that the

blinking in the american government have been portrayed. you know, this conflict has always been from its inception a proxy war between ukraine in russia where the united states and the west used to create a to achieve the strategic defeat of rush. and we can never forget that, that the goals and objectives the united states was, is in will be until a change in the strategic defeat of russia. and we need to be more specific to that . 9 it means the toppling of the coaching government. it means removing wherever from out. and this was the objective sanctioning. russia was designed to destroy the russian economy, to collapse the russian economy, and to get the russian people to turn against their government. then the idea of what you train was never to have you create when this working great. but they had

this war drag on in perpetuity, exhausting rush morally economically, physically and again, trading the last straw, so to speak. that would cause the people of russia to rise up in the might on moment to remove from from power. this was the goal is the goal. it will continue to be the goal. we should never allow ourselves to lose tied to that reality by looking at what's happening on the battlefield. the battle field is irrelevant to that frame. and so this is why prisons i think you see. uh, so you're getting that off of the newly appointed the foreign minister of russia. i say, it looks like we're heading to a hot war with the west with united states, because frankly speaking, we are heading to a hot worth between the united states. russia, if the united states has not changed its policy framework, we cannot talk about peaceful coexistence so long as we're talking about the strategic defeat of pressure. therefore,

when you train loses and they are losing and they will lose united states and europe, we're gonna have to do something more to continue is because we can't at this point in time accept defeat. because that failure to strategically defeat russia means in the 0 sum game that we ourselves are strategically defeated once now, and that's a craving choice. scott, that's what makes it even worse. that's a choice on the part of the west on today. you want to continue on with what, what scott was saying. here we, ukraine is asking nato to train them up to the sun, trainers to ukraine, to train up a 150000 recruits. that's lensky was i begging for the, the west nato, to put a target on their back. is nato going to fall for it? as long as you're already doing this in a less space, 3 hours or that is your uh those so called 3 and are the same as the god, the repair somehow of made or has been on the ground and you for in front of day

walk. so, i mean, it's all, this every duration, oregon organizational, the same old, you know, thing you know, oh god, i sense, you know, some kind of advisors were going to assume this and that it is being their friend. they want, they just simply because they run their new side goal and they think that the public is primarily cause they attention span all the, got the fuse, they just repeat the rate and read to read the same point over and over again. to demonstrate that something is being docked, i agree with score, absolutely, actually will also range on older strategies. your goal is don't forget the national security of course of the, of the united states strategy all doing that is space or bought the race roster. there's the if the special ed, i mean it actually has a bad running school. it's roughly well done. it is the registrar i know. so, but yeah it's, it's good. it's going to continue like this, but the fact that they care targets they've been killed. many of them already,

so it's nothing new. i mean, it, it would certainly be a much more public debating processment, and that's maybe that's maybe that's acceptable. okay. it's k j, it's very interesting is we had the estonian prime minister color call us at a conference over the weekend. i'm calling for the break up of russia. it's really quite amazing as you crate and get smaller and smaller, di, populated, di, industrialized, and worse. you have a little tiny country like this. tony is saying that the nato's agenda essentially should be the breakup of russia, echoing with scott just said, go ahead or you're absolutely right. and you know, this is, this is the fools reward for failure is greater ambition. this is what we say, we're seeing a complete failure both in the political dimension, but also in doctrine, not simply on the battlefield in tactical dimensions, but in doctrine itself, we seeing a complete failure and

a complete breakdown and their response is to bet hi. this is the losing gambler wanting to make an even higher back. yeah, this is a, a sun cost fallacy. that's what, that's called. it's got, i, i sense here and i, i don't have any faith whatsoever in the honesty of a anthony blinking. i, i personally think that there are taught, there's talk for a pink slippers, a lensky, there could be, they may need a change to be able to change the narrative with these with them. still they are, it's not gonna work for me much longer here. and that brings up the blame game, and there's so many different blame games being played right now. scott, look. so let's each time is on this planet. i shouldn't say, well, i'm just, but you're saying the truths, god. okay. because he's put himself into the position. i want everybody watching this program to know ukraine and it's leadership volunteered for this exercise.

volunteer not victims volunteer. the volunteer for this got keep going. i mean, i agree with you for i just want to make sure that i don't come across with some sort of blunt. there's the, you know, psychopath who wishes the device. although none of us views zaleski, deserves whatever face he gets. so, and so does your friends and government they are especially it's president i, i believe, are not going to be around as long as we're reaching the in game of this conflict. and that doesn't mean the strategic conflict that we are taking later to really have talking about specific proxy conflict flushing. new cream is it's in games state. and so he will not be the person that termination of his thoughts rushed to. i can't see yet, but i'm smart enough to leave that. when you start articulating the semester,

these was just legitimacy because this is mandy is mandy and the russian hill. and they put him on a wanted list of that. that means that just that the zalinski is now a criminal criminal status, and that if you grade once decided to go sheeted into the settlement, they will have to find somebody other than zalinski and the west right now, i believe, is transitioning away from a proxy conflict ukraine, which they know is lost into the broader strategic conflict between the west and rush is not necessarily a hard conflict, although that's the direction you're heading. but a new cold war i believe is the direction that we're, you know, essentially saying scott, because a lot of what officer said that in the last news cycle that and i'll direct us to, i'm today right now is that, let me quote him here. russia won't view western europe as a partner for, again, for at least one generation. i tend to agree with that on why, because nobody in the west is trustworthy. andre,

as well as cell phone and that are because also combine europe is not for player calling. 3. wanted to reset the ball or send the world. this is united states, china and the roster impala this 3 arrange strings between them that only matter a few are up is in consequential, militarily you economically left alone, ga, strongly, socially and politically. so in this particular case, what to the restaurant use are couple said, or united states, or rush out bones to interact in some for you. be that cold war as a score characters favorite, you know, be the indirect strategist, lose your lobby space. lots to do. you know, in terms of the conflict, but it will be in the direction is um for in terms of you or if there is nothing to talk about to talk with who, you know, they are not even players. well, i think they let me get a good, let me go. okay, let me go ahead here before we go to the right here. i think we're all on the same

page here because i think there is a shift going on right now, and you need a fall guy. and that guy is, is a lensky. yeah, absolutely. you know, i've said right from the get go. that zalinski had a very, very short life. he fits into a pattern of us quiz links that are used and discarded, and he should have seen that coming. but i, you know, i said that he was of the eastern european, the d m. that he was not for long in this, in the political arena in this world. and so i think that, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost. clearly the actor has lost the script and he's no longer able to give the order of the presentation that he was hired to do. and therefore they're going to bring on another actor. yeah, and they, and we can discuss that in the next part of the program. if that's going to be a new in the military because you know, they all know each other, it's been

a long time coming of a similar education background and whatnot. so there are a lot of affinities, only this kind of band, right? id ology has got in the way field on by the west. all right, gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our to the other unit on up what sky, cuz there's a lot on your fluids. the when you talk with bach with bach, got them to move

the new weight. the money for the theater. if as little as human we as to that, please just give us just do it. we do a couple. i get those go for needing a lot more. so those are the doors of familiar with just a moment. as i said watch. yeah, there's no solution but just as easy as i'm making some that are on the pnc and there with which assessment, when you put in your article here, that'd be the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're so short or is it conflict with the 1st law? should we live in justification? we should be very careful about our professional intelligence at the point,

obviously is to great trust, rather than to the various job with artificial intelligence. we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. existence was on the the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered computer la belcher menu. we're discussing ukraine. the . okay, let's go back to scott, you know, it's gotten you and i, on this program we've been talking about the,

this entire part of the conflict. this is a, a conflict has been going on for 10 years and not uh, since 2022. and i the, you know, the, the, in another conflict and you'll know the reference that i'm making the day after. okay. in that complex, i think it's a, it's an exercise in futility. but i think the end of this conflict in ukraine, it is more meaningful, and i think it's, and there's an interesting debate that is developing here. because on the one hand, what i would like to see is the complete breakup of, of nato, and the restructuring of security arrangements in europe. that's probably not going to happen because the west, they will be a sore loser. they will want an ugly piece. well, won't this the defeat and ukraine actually in bolden, you nato, because now they have a strictly identified target that they want revenge. because nato is the, is losing losing badly and it's showing itself to be essentially a paper tiger. but this will give the re, uh, brussels. the reason the you to have

a war economy. what you, how do you go on that argument? first of all, we brush it to decide how this works. good. one of the good point aspect a long distance observer is uh, you know, i, andre k j you, we can all speculate about how we like to see this conflict. yeah. but the russian government has yet to fully articulate what do you not cation the militarization means? what the final delineation of ukraine will be. that is the key because if russia allows a cancerous tumor to remain, then the less job would be to get that answers to or to grow. or in fact, russia, russia has to eliminate the cancer as to if they do that. i think that's the end of nato and the end of the european union. because now, rather than doing the kind of proxy driven conflict, the america, they will like to engage in uh, they will be confronted with the reality of

a direct conflict that they can't afford. and they don't fall apart. i believe nato's already following the part. and i believe that russia into this conflict decisively where they terminate the cancerous tumor that is banned. there is ukraine, that nato will have to pay the bill. i mean, they, they can't afford the military, they claim they want to bill. and when they start to argue about this debate is especially of russia counters with responsible diplomacy, leading towards a european security framework that is regional. and we know the rush is reasonable . one only has to look at the stuff will communicate that russia was offering ukraine back in april of 2022. to see the rush is the most reasonable actor out there when it comes to articulating, not only its needs, but the needs of those word and adversary relationship. i think russia is going to put on the table an offer to europe, about peace and prosperity and co existence. that nato,

that makes natal inconceivable, and that nato will fall apart on its own volition rush. you won't have to do anything, but if the russia allows it cancer's tumor named ukraine, that has some band there is ideology, illogical a residence then data will just attached to that in a parasite fashion. and try and get that to a continued strategic ambition to bring him down, right? so that should be, that's basically the have the same question now directed to our, on the right. that's assuming that we have rational actors in europe. go ahead andre. yeah, that's true. we don't or, and there is one thing which squat dimensions of eric are correctly there. or if, if i'm only work, all the european union is on the work of the lives broke. so they can talk about the water going. i mean, what if, what you want, but if you will get down, somebody called the economist isn't the great. especially when you look at the dangerous,

there was ation withdrawn in walters competing in france. for example. it's not just only to be able to build military force, which they don't want that mean there may draw equipment turned out to be absolutely unsuitable for the more than a better opium. but it's the fact that what you have is an important matter about in terms of motion building complex, in terms of the, uh, the pump it down to the labor force. and you're using it with the best of all fit for me and speed. so, and in this case, we have this 4 digit factor, all their different moment framework, which thousands walk financial, capitalism is a bar it's bomb, it doesn't work. so, and the real economy is the only way to go, how they will go, i don't think so. they have god, where they have corporate, some people because of the implosion hold hold. is it lead to making machines? there are some, you know, i'm over the board, your body johnson, you guys degree and the classics. i mean, the really so, i mean,

this is the guy. well mister, i mean a better bulk as she is jammed or pretty challenge. you know, so you look at those people, they are going to allow them to me below me in front of my house, for there is nothing coming up that they have a classical. i can't say it on this program, but he does have a degree in class that goes something. i'll let the viewers fill in the blank here . i can't tell you what the when scott came on right after the beginning of this phase of the conflict, i asked scott the question, who's got the clocks and who's got the time? who's got the clocks and who's got the time in this case because i find it really kind of frivolous. when you see in western media, it depends on what happens before the november election is if the russians gabe. oh, to bottom american elections. they don't go ahead k j. yeah, absolutely not. do you know there is an ideological uniformity which means that it is not going to make a significant difference for them. but you're absolutely right. the multi polar

world is rising. these are tech tonic shifts that are happening and they have the time. and the us, you can, you know, fiddle with all the clocks that it wants to. but it is not going to change the direction of time. time is moving forward. it's moving in the direction of multi polarity and there's nothing that they can do. we see the failure not only of doctrine of war doctrine of joint all domain um network warfare. but we see the failure of the doctrine that they had, as well as the failure of legitimacy and the end of rationality. you know, it's got i, we started out the program talking about the food named blinking in, in, during his visit to kids. and a number of people have commented on how it was choreographed 3 cameras. all these different angles. but see, that's what american policy is. it's all perception, that's all it is. i mean, my sense was that i saw that footage. is that blinking is having netflix, make

a documentary about him that that's his top priority. that's the top priority of all of these people. how they look with their legacy is and what boards are going to sit on after this failure. scott, a 100 percent records say the last, the american system was governance. i mean, take, it was with russia just, i'm not here to sing the praises of russia. it's not my job, but enough to give credit where credit is due. we just had a presidential election, which was designed to create a mandate that allows the russian government to move in a direction to where the current leader, who is 71 years old. the very key won't be the leader anymore. how does russia survive beyond that? how does russian build institutions become of nation states? that is big picture stuff that strategic thinking that involves the nation. totally

blanking everybody in the bud ministration are focused on that. they're focused on the revolving door of cynics year from government desinik your. how do i leave the government? go to getting board, become a active or an associate professor at harvard, yale, columbia. and then hang on for another 4 years in hopes that somebody who is politically aligned with my way of thinking. my philosophies recharged the white house and i can once again cross through that revolving door of you to be back into governmental relevance. but it's a very selfish, self centered approach. where's the rushing approach is about what's best for the nation? what's best for the russian people? what's best for the world? america used to be the country. we're not the country. you know under. i'm glad that scott brought up the presidential election here in the new government that is come into power. and we have a, a new secretary of the, of defense, and it's very interesting his background,

he's an economist here. it looks like there's a long vision here about how the economy needs to operate with rushes, new form policy priorities. and that's basically defending himself against the west . the yeah, uh, bills of a strategic bank are many people are the shooting of forget actually the fact that while me fighting the shooting, probably the best that i'm going to manager was she started a garage. i have the in decades of knowledge in the raisins and used our belongs. i've used to bring behind the, our economic, our strategy in the russia and should have been putting you into the position of there are man who is in charge or process defense ministry. would that increase cross as the control of the box? so to sort of manager, industrial companies, we serve gay, shy girl, was from older. so we're looking at the cold war. so financial means being

transferred there because actually drug each other there in the soviet union to military industrial, compet scouts being their driver and not only oversight of military development, but the civilian do. i know my father was in the military industrial complex and he had to deal with the show the consumer needs apart from what didn't with the issue for providing the roster and saw the of maybe with a required sprigs. so this is what we have. and now obviously bill also is a reliable ma'am, which in the draft team and she is the great supervisor over those come also of financial means which are being distributed today will not hold out for american model. if you do. so army salesman arrives, but you know, they are leaving the opposite. pretty good. you know, old times of there are uh, you know, the next day is our option. it's really interesting on the way that you mentioned that because when i heard of the shuffle and what was going on in the ministry of

defense, i was thinking the same thing. i my sense was moving shy, go out because there's going to be a major shakeup of what's going on there because of what the scott is said. when what you've said here is that they're looking long term. not looking to the next political cycle. they're looking at a long term u. k. k j is going to be last 40 seconds. go ahead. yes, absolutely. i think what we can see is the us is a captured by dunning, kroger, leads for not only musically tone, death, but the tone deaf, and they are not capable of seeing beyond, you know, the noses at the same time that the global south is moving in tectonic long term, strategic ways, and this is the final thing that will, we're in the end game. we can see the moves ahead and we can see what the outcomes going. i'm so glad you said that because i'm sick and tired of talking about how the world has to revolve around the us presidential election cycle. and this move

beyond it, and we are, i want to, that's all the time we have gentlemen. i want to thank my guess and del mar, in san francisco and in washington state. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our key. see you next time. remember prospect the, [000:00:00;00]

the office here shows the air in the capital one or one and did a final farewell to their late president, iranians. more than that long of the nation's president, this pills and a helicopter crash over the weekend. a funeral procession brings out tens of thousands onto the streets of the russian forces. we take full control of the town of to should have cause that's in the bonus republic because they continue to advance of across the front line. and crying loan will most go that uses washington are pushing the narrative to hard cutting. no one else was involved in last week,