the international court of justice to speak for much of the world. if there is to be justice, it must be applied to all the tracking time for 2 months on from the massacre in a ball scale concert hall. and russia says ukrainian military intelligence was directly involved, more than 20 suspects had been arrested so far. tough times for ukraine as those forcibly mobilized, don't even manage to make it to the battlefield and die at conscription set the british parliament house, members of the neo nazi as all the battalions has former p. m. boris johnson called them here on the coming clean. and you commissioner admit c,

reminded the georgian prime minister of the assassination attempt against his slovak counsellor, pardon me, the protests against the, for an agency law. however, he claims his words were taken out of context. the just about 4 pm here in moscow, russia and you're watching r t international. i am your host donald quarter. welcome to the program. our top story, russian authorities say ukrainian military intelligence was directly involved in the deadly terrorist attack on a mosque out concert hall. 2 months ago, which left $145.00 people that had of the federal security service, said an international terrorist group helped train the perpetrators it has been determined that the prepared actions financing attack and get away of the terrorist was coordinated through the internet with the members of the we law. yeah. horace

san group, located on the border of afghanistan and pakistan. after conducting the attack, the terrorists were given a clear order to head to the ukrainian border where an opening was being prepared for them. while the investigation is ongoing, it is possible to say with confidence that ukrainian military intelligence was directly involved in this attack. this is alexander board because he's a veteran security chief when he speaks about this stuff. we listen because we've been on 10th a hold waiting to get more information about the details of what's been going on in the aftermath of the attack. a lot of speculation on line about the assault on crow because the brutal attack, of course these a attackers were apprehended heading towards the premium border. now he's also told us that there's been 20 people uh, detained, the attackers themselves, and a significant network of people facilitating them as well,

which is very interesting. there's a huge investigation. the investigation is still ongoing. now bought the car, made these comments out of commonwealth of independent states meeting, which is an alliance of old soviet states, russia's allies and friends. he also find them interestingly, for their assistance in carrying out the investigation which suggest is a very wide ranging investigation. where a lot of these countries these and so many of them uh, most of the publishers, remember there was allegations that this was a and is allowing us to attack. and he also has suggested that there was an islamist involvement from an ask on slash pakistani a group struggling that sort of wild area between the 2 countries that there was involved and there as well. he also said something very, very interesting about the desperation that this marks, that this type of brutality that no real, as you know, of civilized states could possibly be involved in this. and that the ukraine's involvement demonstrates a real sense of desperation that they're losing on the battlefield, that their military campaign is collapsing. and in the event of that,

they're seeking desperately to try and impact push in any way they can sense of a list of to what he said about them, or the craning authorities, having no real opportunities to achieve their goals on the battlefield, have resorted to terrorism. there are a systematic showing of the civilian population and public infrastructure in russian regions. sabotage, rates are being carried out in the border area. ukrainian special services are actively recruiting young people to engage in terrorist activities by promoting pro ukrainian national is formations on social networks. with the assistance of nato countries, the massive transfer of mercenaries and fighters of international terrorist organizations from the middle east, north africa, and afghanistan to ukraine, continues. some of them are used for further terrorist expansion in the

commonwealth of independent states. we decide from the head of the, the f s field of federal security services. the he said that you created was somehow into twined with nato members. i mean, what role did these need to members play? do you think in the crow cuz effects. uh huh. i think this all has to be taken into wider view point of view, training and project for the west is barely anything happens in your train without a western imprint on a know from finance, from weapons from direction on the battlefield. they've decided in the west that they're going to take control of many elements of ukrainian society. and we know that the military campaign is intimately controlled by them. and we also know that the investigative committee in russia has recently opened investigation into the activities of companies in you probably like police law, which hunter boyd was intimately involved in himself. he was a director on the board of the reason that which is a big energy company in your brain and

a funding and cash from the operation has been used in a terrorist operations against ocean interest from it within real. just in the new territories of russia. in don't bust on asking new guns and also in north stream. remarkably. so this is not as some sort of conspiracy. there's actual investigations that are coming up with the information with the move with the money, the phone discount type of tire is rough. oh, that's interesting. and so, and we do look, take a step back. and so it takes a while to look at the picture. nato countries by must also involve of the western countries. i mean, you said the money comes from the u. k. the us, what i have about since 2014, basically they've been getting involved in ukraine in every aspect. can you give us some examples of the sort of thing that they've been involved in? yeah. what it's, it's, it's an open secret now that the c a m, y, 6 british intelligence are involved in ukraine. we've had reports from various

western media. let's do your time. is the washington post talking about how the c a is training the, the s b u. they're very much feared domestic security service within ukraine. and even back in the 2016, the new york times themselves, they wrote an article talking a very proudly about how the west and security service were training. a new plan in secret service in sabotaged. so to attract russian targets out to reverse engineer drawings that are captive promotions like that sort of a list. and our look as a new york times article around 2016, the c i a began training and a lead ukrainian commando force known as unit 2245, which captured russian drones and communications gear. so that c i, a technicians could reverse engineer them and crack moscow's encryption systems. one officer in the unit was carrillo boot on of now the general leading ukraine's military intelligence and the c. i. a also helped train

a new generation of ukrainian spies who operated inside russia, across europe and in cuba and other places where the russians have a large presence. also in the context of the revelations recently that our own, the editor in chief margarita, similar in yon, revealed the german officers talking about how they were going to facilitate and provide weapons, unintelligence, to strike the courage bridge in crimea. we know that you find a subsidy, no satellite systems, it doesn't have to target these weapons. it doesn't have any storm shuttle him is still nobody scout. so i'll assume that he doesn't have the capacity to operate these huge operations across the russian frontier on oil refineries. etc, so we know it's all of us and we know from accounts in the western media that the nato countries on the proxy. a war that's been wage by the west against ocean is being doing dual. and if you like, the snowball has been rolled in london and washing and thrown from us. the russian

foreign minister has taken a swipe at western states for tricking their people into thinking they are not already fighting a war against russia using their own weapons to striking deep within russian territory. some dealer. in fact, they are waging a war against us. and america weapons have already been used on a variety of objects outside the complex own. so the fact that the americans are trying to make some kind of soothing statements for their public opinion or for nato members to show that a decision has not yet been made is in my opinion, all a trick. and we proceed from the fact that american and other west are weapons are striking targets on russian territories, primarily civilian infrastructure and residential neighborhoods. so this is on their conscience. it was done to it's aimed at making you crane easier to make it easier for key of 2 fights. and essentially they have be, know that has been

a lot of problems for the key regime to be able to continue this war. one of the main concerns for k of combined is, is that they might run out of the reserves on the battlefield. so they have been trying really, really desperately to draft as many men as possible on the 18th of may. a little came in to power in ukraine, which is severely springs. the number of criteria that a person has to said to be eligible for the truck on the well right now dropped offices, they pretty much can take whoever they want. and essentially this has led to some very tragic outcomes because when officials, uh well, maybe they are. if they overly eager they make decisions especially minute to magic send, they send to fight. they say that men who con, really fight, they still sign, but they are eligible for the draft. and so the dropped officers conscripts them. this has already led to, to a number of deaths. unfortunately, there are cases when medic still in the nature of medical condition,

recognized persons liable for military service as feats for service but tragedies a cure afterwards. we would like to inform you that on may 23rd at person, liable for metro service, who was in one of the subordinate recruitment and social support centers of the region. and according to the conclusion of a major medical commission was fits for service sharply to terrier rates. he was given a pre medical cat and an ambulance was colt, which upon the arrival of stated that he had died. so you see how they say that a person is fit to serve is fit to wield the weapon, the, to fight, to run in the full body yamma on the, at the same time. the person can't even handle the simple stress of to being dropped it again. this is the 1st case, a woman that had to go to the police when the brother was dropped to the house of by the drops offices. and then he died that in the unknown circumstances, of course, that woman once honest, is now and again, this is not the only case,

not the only tragic death, but essentially, since the 18th of may, the streets of ukraine, that has been absolutely desolated. we have seen pictures of these, we bring the streets just being as if from an the post apocalyptic movie. uh, people, uh, staying at home. and when i say people, i mostly mean men, of course, because they fear they fear that they might be conscripted. also, many, many people have had to flee your brain and remember the countries on log down essentially, a man who is considered eligible for dropoff time. that's pretty much anyone. now, cons leave of the country, but still so many people, thousands, tens of thousands of people have been risking their lives, trying to cross rivers, trying to look through the wilderness and across the board again of some 20000 people for doing so more than 10000 did manage to escape many died again, trying to swim across the river. so it's a very tragic picture for you, craig now,

but is it dropped offices at the same time? have been seen then have been filmed? yeah, well just doing whatever they want to people who they believe is liable for draft. we have seen some very brutal images. so be where i'm viewed expression is advised when we show you some of the pictures like this. the of the so you can see there are no lines to the draft offices in ukraine under the

officials. they have to literally pull as well many coolant abductions. they have to pull people off the streets on the way to supermarkets to what and so on. we have seen a ukrainian struck as striking in the wake of this, the new law that has come into power because pretty much all of them all now liable for the draft. at the same time, ukraine is met is turning the lives of its own citizens abroad. into a nightmare, because right now people who are liable for the drugs they are denied to conceal a services. so if the 4 and passports run out, if they become outdated, they simply con, change that they can't get a new passport. so it's either they stay abroad on this and be, and essentially they turn into the legal, my friends, and, uh, so they can, i will have to bet all the consequences of that status. well, they have to go back to craig under. they will know that what that means. that

means as soon as they cross the border, they will be taken to the draft office and then nobody will listen to them. they will be sent to the front lines. they may be renowned for their brutality and neo nazi persuasion, but members of the notorious ukrainian it has all the battalion had been given a hero's welcome in the british parliament. the move prompted an angry response from the russian embassy in london. he's off, his gain worldwide notoriety both for its wide spread use, a fascist volts on gold insignia and despicable war. crimes against civilians could entertaining clear con fascists at the houses of parliament. perhaps be a motive for the documented rise in anti semitism in the you pay while to get more on the story. now we're crossing live to our, to contributor rachel marston. so rachel, here we have this prominent, neo nazi group being roundly cheered and applauded at the centre of british political life. the house of parliament take us through what played out there. so

yeah, so 3 neo nazi fighters from kias as off. that's how they end up here before a ras audience of british parliamentarians, they're being held as the defenders of as of style steel plants in mario full from back in the 1st few months of the ukraine conflict. now they lost that battle and ended up as prisoners of war, and it was church here that was supposed to hold on to them until the hostilities were over. but somehow they ended up being sprung and turned back over to key of and are now on a traveling road show of sports. last year they were at california is procedures stanford university, some of the same fighters, along with their wives known as the association of families as, as of style defenders. and they publicly posted all over social media after these visits bragging about both this u. k. parliamentary parents where they were reportedly hobnobbing with both tory

and labor representatives ahead of a july 4th election. it was just called this week. great luck. i'm sure that is. and also they post on social media after the stand for gig as well. and they brought all of their favor gear with them to the u. k. complete with over nazi symbols like the wolf's angel symbol that was once used by the nazi ss and the were mocked in the world war 2 era. the as of soldiers were trained by the wes, it's the ottawa citizen, the reported even before the print conflict went red hot that counted as military leaders training these guys noticed all the nazi tattoos i'm are like uh, all right, so what do we do of all this and ultimately they just decided that it was totally cool, totally normal, as long as the media didn't find out about it looks there is reporting just this week actually here in the french press as well, of as off training, allegedly by france. so with both this

u. k parliamentary visit and with last year stanford visit, there seems to be an effort of foot by the western establishment to whitewash as i've not see roots and re brand them as heroes. here's former british prime minister boris johnson doing exactly that in meeting with them on the line with us or or so johnson is saying all these wonderful things about as a while holding up their flag complete with all the nazi symbolism totally casually, like he's at a fun part posing with a walt disney world logo. keep in mind that johnson has a lot of skin in the game here. you could say, since it's been widely reported that he was the one who scheduled the original piece deal that russia put on the table early on in the complex convincing. he has

not to take it as all fighters were folded into the regular ukrainian army. but the not the stuff just isn't washing out and is leaving some stubborn stains for western optics to get 10 with particularly during visits like this. not a great look either when as our reps start singling out specific m piece for thanks like m p. victoria prentice, the attorney general for england and wales, whom as i've credits on social media with arranging this visit to the u. k. m. p. john wedding dell and also chair of the u. k. ukraine parliamentary friendship group, m p. bob seeley. we're talking here about a group. why is the qualified by the west as neo nazi and problematic, even for the lensky himself before the current conflict? it's not the 1st time that a country of the british crown has formerly cheered nazis in parliament. recall that canadian parliament did the same with a bona fide world war 2 genuine article,

ukrainian nazi euros, laughed luca. and then back kind of like crazy claim me that they really weren't aware of the connection, even though the house speaker, who had to step down after the scandal introduced tonka as having fought against the russians in world war 2. us are in the chamber today ukrainian canadians, ukrainian canadian world veteran from the 2nd world 4 who fought ukrainian independence against the russians and continues to support the troops today. even at his age of $98.00. the apparently nobody to do the math on that line and go, hey wait a minute, it sounds like he was killing our communist allies that were also fighting against

hitler. instead they just flopped alongside zaleski who was also visiting that day and fist pumping. this guy and tearing them on. now it's the british problem. it's turned to fish pump home goods, ideological successors. it's bad enough that the british press like the new statesman, for example, has accused force johnson number of exciting far right mobs. not sure how this is going to help them pretty tough to go much more fastest or are right then folksy, probably parade around with recognizable, not the symbols, but the empties and attendance like canada, entire parliament seemed to be hoping that nazi history gets memory. busy if it means championing proxies that they can exploit in the greater interest of sticking it to russia. yeah, definitely some shameful stuff from the u. k. parliament that was archie contributor rachel marston, thanks to bring us the details. and we've got reactions the, as i'll visit to the british parliament from a panel of guests. i'm always been very skeptical about mr. johnson's trip to

ukraine, wondering who is paying the bills and paying him. but i think the least it in the, in the pond and is particularly show, okay, given that we know the history of this, of the gate, we know it's, it's, it's links and it's historical. it's not cultural heritage kind of way back to the 2nd level of student. but are you prince own hitler? who, while he was imprisoned by the gems, amazon group covered a massive white screen in the atrocities gets jews and polls. so i mean, this is really what, as always, what about it's true that those who support the brigade and ukraine will say, look, it's not the same unit as 2014, but it's still a count contingent of nazis within it. so we know that for sure, and i think for them to be entertained, welcomed in the british parliament, is a disgrace, enough to describe as a blogs on the landscape, with this particular concept of puppies, history and events,

interaction support for you credit. but the thing is also the disgrace of british media because the germans on rushing about it and they diverted attention around this. somebody is told them you're not going to cover the story. and that gives you an indication to stop potters on british press become late. so i'm showing you on the levels. i find that this provides some sort of the legitimacy to a far away looking make us old. but the young rich ask, but he got not see tendencies. they have been having some boots which are present the order not to disease. more importantly of one sees that as far as you get in countries up in sooner, especially amongst the dominant, the dispensations there is more. then we'll bring this conflict to an end by all being organizations make us old, but that is actually the only fueling the conflict. in fact, they ought to be and has seen the ebony of the people out of the utah,

whoever the lobbyist. i personally believe that the european government should, i don't believe the associate themselves from such organizations late as old battalions and try to bring this conflict to an end and not act as a us stage to go with this conflict and take it for a high ranking brussels, the official has come forwards to admit that he was the one who told the georgian prime minister that he would do well to remember the fate of a slovak counterpart rober to robert feet. so it was shot and an assassination attempt. last week over the neighborhood and enlargement commissioner claimed his words had been taken out of context. i felt the need to call the attention of the prime minister to the importance of another, philippine flaming vale ready for a job situation by adopting these laws and disregard the latest tragic events. lavaca was made as an example and as a reference to where such a high level of polarization can lead in a society even in europe,

i felt obliged to inform the georgias society about this trait. the power, though drone with the attempted assassination of robot fitz, so reminds us that the global war policy is an extremely dangerous false, willing to do anything to bring chaos to georgia. want to get more on the story now and joined live in the studio by r t. charlotte davinsky. so charlotte, now we have some sort of an explanation from this. your official that apparently threatens the georgian prime minister. what else can you tell us about it? yes, why? so we've got the submission the conversation as we heard from the the woods, the georgia improvements that did happen like that. but this, you commission is not, i should himself, it's hung gavin commission to all of us the hey, and he said, i didn't mean that. it's been taken completely as a context just don't mind what he's supposed to have said. he's supposed to have called up the children prime minister and said look, still pushing ahead with this really controversial lower and you country, if you don't, you could end up like feet. so reference that to the slack in 5 minutes,

that who with a talk it's been attempted assassination less than 2 weeks ago. there was no context to take that other than that. this is a fact. i think that's pretty clear, but obviously he's trying to roll. that's not what's even more interesting is that they, hey, is the commissioner from hungry? and it seems that he's not on the same line as his own country when it comes to that in the, in georgia. because we've heard from the prime minister's office fixed opens offices, this policy director just a week ago. but they thought that the you should be mimicking that new on countries and you should be adopting a similar little reminder of thought. no, don't. this means that if an engineer media organization receives more than 20 percent of its funding for the for and source, they will need to declare it if that noise, it is not featured by the president to georgia who's threatened that we've seen huge protests over the last few months into play, see as a result of that,

tens of thousands of people out on the streets, including high profile european ministers, foreign ministers, who was there a week ago, a king on the protests know if thought is still meddling in the internal politics of georgia, i don't know, add that to what the commission aside from i think you can only add that up to being seen as a threat. yeah, no doubt. but let's, let's look a little bit closer into the assassination attempt on the feed. so because it's been established, right, the person who made this attempt is someone a very pro ukrainian convictions, but that's not getting that much traction in the west, right? absolutely. within hours of the attempted assassination, we have videos. imagine online that showed juris center. this is the gunman who was admitted to you, attempted to kill well, perfect. so shutting long leaf ukraine and showing his sympathies towards you quite, we've had the slovak prime minister saying, you know, this was politically motivated, this is related to the media comments describing pete. so as being

a russian student i'm, we've now got co documents from slovakia that really show just how we can grade. and she was in terms of the course of ukraine saying that she wanted his government to continue military support. i mean, also at cold feet. so ju discount for stopping this is just happened. look, now what those court documents say, she wants me to a, to be provided to you green and come cedars of the current government to be a jew does towards the european union. and so he decided to act, he filled the repeated that he decided to damage his house so that he wouldn't be able to perform the function of. and he decided on monday that he would take bench from him a so huge amount of evidence that he was pro ukraine. he's the simplest size that to once you create insight into spite that we have seen very little of best actually being food cost or printed in the mainstream media in the west. and you can only look at it at this point and say, well,

it doesn't paint the picture of the gunman that perhaps they won't. it's, well, let's go back to georgia for a 2nd. um, of course the government there is facing pressure from the european union and especially surrounding this for an agencies laws. but what, what can we say about what it's facing from the united states? well, even most of pression, and what's really interesting is us as now come often said that it's going to reply, i put on restrictions for those children, a. m p 's who supported the passage of this law through the parliament. and also the families would wait to find out exactly what those restrictions are, but this is what us to have say in regards to that both the national security law and the repressive tactics used to quote, legitimate, defend, undermine georgia's democracy in the fundamental freedoms, the department of state is implementing a new visa restriction policy for georgia that will apply to individuals who are responsible for a conflict in undermining democracy in georgia, as well as their family members. what's incredible, hey,

the us has hello. it's incredibly similar to the little the ga us just past is called the foreign agents registration. that basically means if you represent a foreign interest, whether you'll pay to know what you need to clarify in the us. so now we've got a situation of the usa ng do, as i say, no, as i do, which at the very least is hypocritical. yeah, definitely some serious double standards here on top of the fact that these are elected officials in georgia that are deciding to put these laws through and are getting pressure from the west for doing what they were elected to do. anyway, archie is charlotte davinsky. thanks a lot for joining us in the program and explaining us all anyway, that's all for this hour. come back in just about 30 minutes for more news on our to international the.