a nurse could have been the next president. ok, keep losing that. people out here, the hello and welcome to crossed by bullhorn john peter lebow. here we discussed some real news is you are preparing for direct military conflict with russia. evidence suggests the answer is yes. also international law and the real global community is working to hold israel to account how much isolation is the us willing to accept. to discuss these issues in more, i'm joined by my guess george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the guy goal, which can be found on youtube and locals, and in marrow cash. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator. all right, gentlemen, cross slack rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want that. i always appreciated. all right,

let's start. i was in job with george in budapest, over the last week, particularly we've seen these rumors of war as it were coming from, particularly someone like the gary and prime minister, but to urban. but many, many others in the. obviously escalation of the conflict in ukraine is on the agenda. as you claim continues to falter, i think as we speak right now, they're opening up the jails in the ukraine for convicts to go to the front. um, uh, we have uh, a plethora of videos of, uh, circulating on line of the continued and for cannon fodder to send to the front. and we have simultaneously, we have people like david cameron, greenlight use those weapons, deep underbrush, british ones, by the way. and, and to be blinking the state, the part of the, the secretary of state dod, trying to corral people into some kind of a forceful agenda to escalate the then more george, where is this all going?

is this a because the way i think you can interpret it many ways the, you know, they're unrelenting unwilling to accepted this whole project was as far as from the beginning, or this is an opportunity to mobilize the west or a very long term agenda and not just against russia, george, that's a very good point to the to and i think of the answer is both the, the hon gary and prime minister the victor or binds interview a couple of days ago was a very interesting because he says, look hungry is taking part in these needs so me things and i can tell you that in these meetings they are planning for and made so uh, involved and being ukraine. and he said that, um, you know, if this continues, essentially, um hungry will have to opt out. now, he didn't exactly spell out what it means, opt out, but what, what type of se, but the fact the country would just simply the seems to be

a member of nature. but he's saying that, and he said this explicitly that europe is now in this situation. he wasn't in 1914 and then 19. so it's not, it's on the brink of a well well. and then you have to say, well, why, why is that? and then you talk about this, the crisis in the ukraine. the problem arises that uh, you know, when do was bring capital, who was breakout when great powers refused to give up? they can give up because if they gave up, they used to be great powers. they, they, they just seems to, they will be seen to be, they for tie, goes on that for, they just have to, uh, go home and like a wounds. great powers, a very reluctant to do that. and hence the escalation of this rhetoric, i mean one of the things you didn't, you didn't mention was it was a good friend, major secretary general, you installed them, but gave the names of you to the economists thing, which she also said, yeah, absolutely. we have to take

a whole restrictions on the use of us and any messiahs given to the brain, but they just don't know the body to the counselor and, and then we have um the, the out probably outgoing u. k prime minister. risky. so like, and i was like what he's going to introduce national service within his own which somebody description. everyone can say exactly exactly. conscription and now it's true. he's likely to win any strew of labor. has a criticize them. however, labor is the anointed one. these obviously they, they going to be in this, but i me say that doesn't mean labor itself is not going to introduce this in due course. so everyone is getting ready to 4 will be canned. why? because they cannot admit delusion because you lose then basically you will need. um it's, it's interesting because you know what, i'm making you made reference to the, the interview that uh the on gary and prime minister victor are the main with the economist. a martin. i mean, he's absolutely right. i mean, looking at the,

the precursors of the complex and for world war one in world war 2. but i think everybody needs to stand back here is that if this is a conflict that the nato european countries want, i mean russia is not attacking any of these countries whatsoever. there is no in pending invasion of western europe by russia. there is no, and i mean even the, the, the biggest proponents were ukraine but probably wouldn't admit that it least not in pending right now. i mean, this is a craven choice on the part of your opinion. a leads in american awaits is to prepare for a war, but they want go ahead martin that go nowhere else to go. i mean, that's true. the problem, you know, way back to minute themselves into this corner where by now they have run out of new plans, new ideas. and now what is the real point? the real objective now of these at least is just self preservation. you know, and unfortunately the people you,

the grading elite i would say because that's something else here. but i'm talking about your team leader to see to how those, how the people that shows in my crone. and also to seem to keep that political base when it, even the device misinformed frenchman or german can see that we're losing a new crane and russia is gaining a certain point that will be a tipping point. web mines will be focus on, the total will go through 3, will be more realistic rather than just to announce who i think what we are edging closer to is just recently the russian investors london told a british empty. but we know the little storm shudders a being side by british soldiers. we know you didn't train your finance who sent around people to operate them. i think if america follows through with that, with his own equipment, she sends us on sol justify them. you know, we're a cigarette people away from the world. well, 3 scenarios, you know, and totally avoid james's talk to cameron and others talk about hitting the inside

russia. you know, how, how much computes and take, you know, i mean, even even, even the, he has a break and quite his generals will be ongoing for, for a much more decisive, honestly against night. so because this nato is doing this, but in the midst of this, when i see from a distance, i suppose is lack of dialogue, lack of debates, lack of effect, and, you know, met press coverage, you know. and what happens is when you completely pump down those, this when you start arresting chambliss, oh, you lost the sized them for taking a different line. you know, what happens is the elite start to believe the b s. and this is really part of the story, is that, you know, just recently last week there was some, as of, we gave soldiers in the british parliament. shameful, absolutely, shameful. i'm not one british newspaper, right? well, so we had, we had the secretary of state destiny blinking, sitting in a, a p p 3 and in care of with his counterpart with the nazi we go,

we own the walls. okay. i mean, george, you know anthony blank and went to israel. is a jew like, is he a jew when he goes many visits key of when he's in the nazi regalia. and george there, when you writers is reporting number of reports. okay. that putting is agreed to freeze the con. uh, conflict. okay. uh i would like to read um, you know, i'd like to see those reports myself because i think everyone obviously once you see the complet come to in precinct account but plus neutrality plus change of reason, they don't mention that they just talked about one thing. but it's really interesting when we go back to the interview that the food made with ad with tucker carlson. why don't you just test the russians if you want to freeze, the conflict doesn't tell me more, but they won't even do that george. so that's, that's exactly right the to, and i don't think that i would probably say, we don't know that right. those reports, these are true, but it's not impossible because really is there is only one on file to that is the

grown up in the room. and, and that's a built in and put in does not want to world war because this is crazy to escalate to was that? um and so i think he's putting forward, i mean maybe, i mean i, i find that plausible, but he was put forward a scenario that he can't even hear things. the west can accept without feeling that they've been humiliated without feeling that they have now cease to be a great powers. i look, you know, if we freeze it along these lines. um, you know, you can at least say that you've got something we can say with the something and then we can bring this very dangerous confrontation to an end. the problem is that easy, living, there are no take goods and this goes back again. 2 of the, the, the discussions of man's color is stumble rusher made enormous concessions, really, very on favorable to russia. and it was a wes, but i said no, no, we can, we can go away. we can actually conflict the total devastating strategic defeat on

russians, total humiliation for russia. and we can get away with it and of those you comp. but it's the same for you, so you can just simply the favors you really, it's a great power, but that was, it was the west, but active there was balls. when is the west now, then instead of engaging and a serious dialogue because life is clearly open to dialogue, have these nonsensical peace conference in switzerland, the which russia hasn't been invited even today to say. and this isn't entirely a public relations exercise. nothing to do with a peace conference, but just simply repeat, oh, we only have to deal with this the landscape based plan, which was russian capitulation. you know, you know, martin, it's very interesting. we, we have heard repeatedly, particularly from the likes of the french president, mac chrome. you know, russia should not be allowed to win. well, that is, that is a wish list. that is a political statement, but that doesn't have anything to do with security. and moving forward, and that's always been the key issue that the west never really will open and will

admit is that the core of all of this rest of the security demands. and we had, we had this process during the cold war, the o. s. c, we had the health in the process. no one in the west. no take there's, as george said, go ahead martin. yeah, i'll, they're going to be intake is now, you know, it, it doesn't seem to be so it, i think we have to wait for something quite a catastrophic to happen before had. so thing together that nascent level of a, you level for people to actually start talking about some the realities of what we can do, you know, made so count when this will what it's now looking at some diseases. i mean, i've been told by some of my m a g sources in new kinds of some ministers in the british government. now saying we need to get out of the crane. so these people are now starting to say, look, the reality is, this is what company one kind of be a will, which with is that can be some dignity and some grace and losing either can we step back from it. but i don't see any real of this scenario,

so you're not seeing what's going around around in circles. and um, i don't think nato is the building really. it doesn't have the people in it who can really look at this realistically. and i've come up with anything intelligence, you know, so i think there's a, there are a number of elk similar ones that play here, even the narrative, you know, we keep hearing russia is coming. but that narrative is really nonsense because the people who bump bang, bang the drum and say the same countries that have completely depleted their own stocks, the minute of hardware. so, you know, you, you obviously don't believe in that in that well, i mean, in another, in decatur georgia. last 30 seconds here is that victoria new and it's suddenly back in the newest. i mean, i mean, you know, teach dislodge from her as perch. but she is actually leading the fight for the military industrial complex and the neocons 15 seconds george. yeah, she's and she's also echoing this has been, you talking fine, no restraints. that's all on the use of missiles and the, and that's what i have that everybody is on board for that. i'm just going back to

the mouth. you were saying that tory m p who said that it's the, the, the, the british will actually firing the storm shadow miss of was and it says that the, with the new care style and the government. well, actually we will be told that we are more than you just so he said that right on that dreadful thought gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and that's about hard greg. we'll continue our discussion. and so me on these things authority, the acceptance and i'm going to plan with you whatever you do. you do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please,

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you and i in george have been observers of politics for our entire adult lives. okay. and i never thought in my wildest imagination that b i c j and the i c. c would be so focused on, on a focused on the activities of israel and it's a legal behavior and it's a small town gone. so, but here we are right now. but the problem with all of this is that the israel is isolated, but it's been isolated and for much of it's existence is a pariah. for many countries in the world of always considered it a pariah. not a big difference. ok. maybe in magnitude and maybe um, uh, in breadth, but israel has been used to that status. the united states is not. okay. and the, the, the, the problem that is facing the united states that needs, that's close as allies, is that the more and more that the can genocide conventions are studied and applied . then you have complicity. and those that are complicit are in the same category

is committing genocide itself. this is something the western world is slowly and terrifyingly waking up to go ahead martin with him too. and also, i think realizing that the more we go down this right, the more that we start issuing these rips from the i c j. so nothing higher, nothing. i know those, you know, and the more america shows is really what is all about, what's in a, what is the i c, j for america? it's his, it's america's own to, for germany. nothing more, nothing less. and i think when i think it was instagram who said recently and, and some sort of congressional meeting, you know, it's like going from this, i'm yahoo and he's raised and will it be us next? and i think that really was martin if i can interrupt that was during the congressional hearing and they were protesters in the crowd witnessing that committee's proceedings, and they got slot of it. and he said, go ahead. you can apply it if you want. that was in the amazing moment. sorry for

the reps interrupt. it was absolutely amazing because it really let the cat out of the bag now. now with now there was clarity. now, you know, even the last few weeks we will be discussing, i had to wondering, you know, where is this whole heading on rudy? and i said to you, i think at the very beginning of the conflict on the show, i sent them the current balance of the i. c. j will really be hills now to it'll be a real issue now. but in the very beginning, when it, and it had his ruling a couple of months ago, you know, i think that point now is, is a fund even more, and i'm not putting myself on the backs my preston's. what i'm saying is that if the i c, j lose is credibility, you know, of the shoot institutions around the world. i think i'm going to fuller because global south leads are just looking at his institutions and saying, well as us just now, just to help america squeeze by the seals manipulates people. i'm sorry, people to jail, they kind of have assassinated, you know, then why should we be part of it? and what happens is that just accentuates a momentum towards breaks towards the east. you know,

so i think come these recent announcements by the button administration following this during the legal case which is building up the, the i c j. i think that's a real, that's a really bad signal towards huge wisdom to control. and so she told, i mean, but martin if, if you look at the i c j, then i'll go ahead and george right now, i mean, these are all web inventions of the west in the, in the post world war 2 posting are in bird environment. these are all western institutions that i mean, and particularly the i c, c, you know, the international case in court, which so many people call it. but i mean it's, it's of these institutions. it is the legitimacy of the west to, to continue to lead and, and them, and make the demand that they have the right to lead because they can, they stand taller and they see further in the all this other nonsense that we've heard, that is all at stake right now, it's just not institutions. it's this the,

the very legitimate legitimacy of the western experiment for the human race. george, this is the also to write these live and just going back to your, the original question, which was that the well, yes, israel has often been isolated indians that actual community but not the united states. and what's really going on now is really a kind of a self inflicted wounds on the cause of the united states, because there's no reason for it because, you know, yes, obviously in the united states is in the business of being the global headroom. and once a bit dominate the world in a full spectrum dominance that talks what the united states has been about. but this unremitting support for israel stands in the way of that because it's been a real problem for many, many reasons. antagonizes unable for a lot of countries this way. it is completely isolated. being the middle east. it has to be in the war with its neighbors ever since its foundation that isn't likely

to change any time. so america is on board, is that. and then you in exchange for nothing. so right, good isolates. and so, and for a for goes that's actually the chief nothing for the united states. and so now it's, it's, are issuing threats against me until i feel criminal court. doubtless it goes us up issue and threats against needs and i for the board of justice and bid that stands in the way all american global hatred when they because there are plenty of bowers who are more than happy to be american ply and states do with america's bidding, but not on this issue, particularly in the middle east, on this extra big bank called follow the united states. so it's quite an extraordinary and so self inflicted wounds that named the united states. the impact of bradley was still good, deeper and take even more dangerous work. so. oh, you know, and because martin, if me in israel does what it does, because it deals, it has the privilege of impunity. and because it has american backing, it's always shielded. but that's why this happens. this is something the united

states has allowed since the inception of visual, particularly since the 67 war. and now it's coming back to haunt them because this is not only is georgia is, you know, what does the us get out of this when they, when it looks it, it's global hedge. a monic rich, not much that is, may, may affect good negative returns, but now this is impacting domestic politics in the western world. we see these huge divisions going on and it's quite terrifying. you know, i mean, would, you know, george and i covered russia, gave thoroughly, we, you know, there was a new mccarthyism. what's going on now is books that level of mccarthyism and it's small potatoes in comparison and for, for what, okay, so this and p energy is destroying the very fabrics of the ideals, the, the values that we use. we claim to hold. go ahead martin. yeah, i think next and put it very well when he was talking about the book he wrote, you said, you know, we don't really get much out of the relationship with israel. and the main reason

why we're so close to these right is because of the holocaust because the history you know, but i think to take george's point so very well, you know, self inflicted wounds such and such really and one that is gaping now, but it wouldn't be the button administration that looks at this from with any objective perspective they want kind of had a cup to view. i think about the, the implications of the next 2010 or 20 years. it might be the next about this generation of politicians and leaders in america to question this relationship. you know, in the old days it was, well, we need is one in the middle east because if the sort of rebellious children, otherwise 9 knows the adverb stays. but become a little bit north to it, a bit difficult to deal with is real. be that a crack the width, i'm going to show the rest of the region, you know, who's really running the show, but well, and i be and also, and also martin you, they may end up the soviet union. george, this has this has impacted the greater middle east. amazingly,

because you have the, the, we have israel was within the context of a cold hor rivalry when that disappears. that's when it became actually far more dangerous because israel, because of its sense of impunity, would be able to pursue its goals. go back to the westbank for example, and now attacking causal repeatedly. if we'd been in a cold war environment, it's doubtful that would have happened george. so that's exactly right. and this is very interesting because if you go back to the cold war mentality, it was really henry kissinger who define the issues in the middle east in terms of the cold war. somehow. israel is the look the west leave. the dean of any cyber lied, or, you know, waging a soviet sponsor and the west and the world. and of course, it was nonsensical names, nonsensical at the time. and the science makes mix of did not agree with that

analysis of the middle east, west of the, his secretary of st. william rogers did not take that view, but that was the case. and you, again, he kind of voice that this idea onto the united states. but the reason why we're providing is row with this up on question on the remaining support is that israel is finding the cold war against soviet aggression. all now they love, they get them because once a cold war ended, you had to invent new things. and so you and that's the islamic jihad and the global islamic around revolution. now it's about the work is on global work is i'm in israel is in the full front of the 5. what is the earliest people get into fights with national silver entity and your games? globalism is always something new. the sides that be as well as in the leader of because it isn't then it's just a way of avoiding ever talking about what, who bostic, real issues are in the middle east. and that's and that's why on this it goes, i'm just letting you know, everything venting these uh, new media. ology as to why,

why we have to above the support the israel unconditionally learn. wait, wait, we have the u. k. elections coming up very, very soon. how is this issue with the israel palestine in the i c j gotten playing out in that election if at all but it's going to have a huge impact on both of the huge blocks. because um, as a general office to jump perception is the labor are going to get how much because of the ridiculous, some sort of support of the genocide of, of a home on israel side. but also i think that too, as well, we will, these booby be hit very hard on it because the lack of decision, lack of strategy on the issues by this time at least is, is just want it. so what's gonna happen is the legal part is gonna be split right down the middle. but jeremy cool by now looking to be ready to perhaps try and try and make some sort of stand against overlay. because we know the tory

is going to be tested crated. you know, so i think the emergence now of some of the parties let george galloway as others as well. you know, i think it's going to be a real issue. you know, we, we, we, this has been so long since we've had a real phone policy that makes any sense when i'm known. it's been so long since we've been able to distance ourselves from america. you know that i think people, us sick, i'm sick, the death of really having phone ministers and, and the british government who basically working for the state department. you know, so i think israel and palestine will be an issue, a big issue. but i think it will hit slave a honda doing well in the same questions and george with we have november elections coming up. what's the difference between trump invite and when it comes to this issue? i ask that because i know it's a short answer. not much, but if that's an interesting question, what was seen in the last few weeks have been big donors, hedge fund managers, people who didn't like chrome now. so they moving towards chrome because they think

by then is betraying israel by who's throwing israel under the bus and they think probably be a more reliable friend of israel. and that could be very interesting. um, within the i think one of the houses, i think what it tells us is this, this line is by the ologies, is corrupted western politics to the core. unfortunately, gentlemen, that's all the time we have one, i think my guess in america and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time. remember prospect rules the the

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