did they want transparency when it comes to foreign money, try to influence their political and policy decisions out there that uh and i do think it'd be interesting if the same standards were required to us bureaucratic officials like blake and, and those who are promoting interference in our own elections using for him money. him money to influence the re election of joe biden. would it be nice and foreign countries with buying lincoln and some of these other us officials from being able to travel to their countries just apply the same standard that they're seeking to, to bully and threaten georgia with transparency. knowing who's putting money into your political and policy disputes in your country already something that any, any type for you should embrace and certainly those in the west who supreme democracy in the top of their law should be embracing this law. not trying to a bullying, georgia into allowing foreign money. these in g o is to have their way uh, at the, at the expense of the george and people while operating from the shadows. and i

think uh the, the doors and the officials are exactly right to say they're being shelves in the past, the brain and we see how that's working out for your brain. we are mentally beyond our reach and it could have and i think the doors to disastrous proportions. just finally, russian service man have rescued 21 soldiers in the central african nation of shot, who were taken hostage by it's from this terrorist 9 months ago. that should be in troops being seized while they were carrying. i think the mining operation of an airport in the north of the country. after being free, the soldiers were taken to a temporary base where a russian doctors treated them. john's defense ministry of things must go for its successful operation on praise. russia for being a friend to the nation as lots are left for node. but a reminder for up to the minute developments today, make sure to give r t a follow an x will endeavor to make sure that you don't miss the mid week moments. the, the,

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the hello and welcome to cross talk. were all things are considered non peter lavelle. it is now common place to hear that ukraine is on its last legs. its collapse is only a matter of time. in many ways this is true. however, this overlooks the fact that nato is unwilling to accept defeat in this conflict for this aggressive military alliance. more escalation is on the agenda, the cross hunting nato. i'm joined by my guess. angel juliano in hong kong is a political and financial analyst and assemble. we have conic. so real amar, he is a historian, political commentator, as well as associate professor at cox university. and in dallas we cross the david while ago. he is a jew, political analyst, author, and veteran, right job in cross type roles, and in fact,

that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated tati. let me go to you 1st and assemble. obviously your call go following the events surrounding is that you create as closely as the rest of us here. but you know, you just can't help, but notice all the fishers going on. you have a good does capitals of nato. you know, you have a prime minister saying this, a president saying this, and then you have stilton burge, the general, the secretary saying another thing, who's actually calling the shots on ukraine policy. because for all this vantage unity there seems to be an enormous amount of divisions. going on, go ahead and assemble. i think you raised the extremely important issue which is that it's entirely unclear who was ultimately calling the shots on your credit policy. i would have said, usually in the end, it is the white house in the end of the c markets because the american sup actually told me that my 2. and one thing we have seen is, is conflict. a says the americans that have subjugated so your team partner, so clients of assets i would actually say as never before and their opinions so

really subordinate to themselves. but, but yes, my carrier, my cap again, it is, but we are also seeing another thing i meant. i would argue that over the last 2 years there has been sort of extremist sunday to hawks if you want. and the half looks to be moderate. so don't get me from the roots in a pacifist, the russian, but the less extreme than 6 treatments. so say for instance on one side you have kind of carlos from a stone you had on the other side. you have a little of salts from germany, right? extreme is moderate and is a big problem in natal is that the extremists don't always get what they want, at least not immediately. that's very important to note, but the extremist always set the terms of the debate and then never go away and they never take no for an answer. and the others, the moderates, insight, new to insight, to collect,

invest more broadly. never make these streams take no for an on. so this is the very dangerous dynamic that is happening in nature right now. we are looking at the reasons for that. i don't want to take up too much time. but if you're looking at this as a situation, visit extremes, actually you don't necessarily call all the shots, but they're constantly dominating the game. and this is 5 years of seeing this long term escalation, right? first of us, never f sixteens because that's what we'll see. you know, be at f, 16 so i just find the example, right? so you never say that the extreme but so i'm not going to drive us on files. i had what's going to be a bit and tell them about how much they've spent, what makes it very interesting. i'll go to angelo on this one right now. i agree with everything you just said here, but it seems, you know, and we have these divisions going on and, and the question comes about who's calling the shots, and really, it's really not about ukraine, but it's really about the fate to nato and nato's mission. it will, it refuses to admit defeat,

it refuses to admit that this is ridiculous project from the get go. has very little to do with ukraine at this point. go ahead and hung count. yes, absolutely. i think this could be a defining moment for natal east natal. these news is against russia. these 4 projects for the past. and it could be actually very damaging for you on the long run. uh, what uh, what is an interesting, what happened? what we saw through this, you paying conflict, this special to me to help ration, or just to realize how d u is just the bus. so entity of the united states, and i think it's really important just to go back to history. people do need to understand the dispute project was on the 1st place to see how you project your wages to choose control you left jamaica united the markets for you to us product and on the long run to the solve the story nation states. so the europe is actually expanding, though, is trying to expand, it's

a fading project. people are dissatisfied. uh, and i think what we saw with the brick state is just the beginning, more copies before. and we see that the visions know is the 3 countries. we have hungry, we have slough back yet. and we simply verse was very surprising. you had the some of the need device from yeah, the uniquely actually decides the lovely evey directly spot the back. you said you either apologized. oh you resign and i think those are science that are in europe, in the nato. there at the visions. and i think we, we have some great thoughts that actually it can be sustainable for you up and copies economically, but actual decisions. because people, if you were to do a surveys around you, up people up clearly uh, nothing to state about your cleaning was these no supports people are interested in tangible face. yeah. what do you mean by tangible? how much do i put on the table?

can i put my kids to university? those are important things, these divided in control. the a project is not working anymore. people on the problem is here is they, they can use ukraine is a national security issue that europe is threatening. then you cut you, you dismiss, so a civil liberties. you have a war economy. this serves a lot of different purposes except for helping ukraine. you don't, david. one of the interesting, the top it in the last few days is that we had this early warning radar attacked inside of russia, which is extremely important for russians, nuclear deterrence, and the west. i mean deterrence is something that's what works both ways that has nothing to do with what's going on the battlefield in ukraine. that's why i'm asking, who's calling the shots here? because that's a nato's interest. it doesn't change the facts on the ground and a new crane david. well, it's because the neighbors were light,

same daddy's who has lost the battle on, on an individual device. that is because the fragmentation within nato became a very obvious it's, it's, it's no cigarette. it's, it's, it's obvious to everybody. ukraine is done for that's one. second thing is the idea that now what labor is going to be doing to stay relevant when in reality. now, here's a relic of the best. we all know this. there is no use for nato anymore. we're now the problem is, in my opinion, is when you will have voice is like what just happened? yes. in paris when and that's how it's saying, well wait a minute. we can't live the restroom when, because that if they do, that means we wouldn't be next. this is not there, but, but i propose no more, no less because they wanted to keep the ball rolling. with you know, reality, nato's done for and rushed up us to think strategically and the ok. thank you strategically by now, go in the,

into the sort of the preparation. if i may use the term or even as well for the tactical notes, because the conversation though is moving into are we gonna be, are we meaning nato in this case? are we going to be place in the next on the polish soil? yeah, no, i don't believe a rush. i wouldn't. all right, something that we're, you're in anticipating one of my questions and i'll ask it now. topic is, is article 5 going to be tested before this complex is over, because i said that from the get go in the beginning of this complex, eventually we're going to get there. go ahead topic. what is its test, right? then we have the 2 outcomes. one, is it phase and then they to is discredited and this office question feel it, it's completely useless. it's useless anyhow. it's less that because most public uses lose a sense of sensations because on the actual it, right? or it's not tested feel or very lucky. here's why i think there's

a possibility that it won't be tested in the end, and it has nothing to do with the west. and it has to do with russian behavior. because what we have seen during this construct on the russian side is a very high degree of restraint. so on one side, russia is not bluffing. absolutely not. how do we know this? because that's how we got into this escalated conflict. because at the end of 2021, they told us let's talk to you about settling this or something that's going to happen. visa, no, and something did happen. that's where we are now. process not bluffing. but on the other hand, we also have seen a very consistent problem of russia not taking bates right. so for instance, this attack on the rate of states. no, maybe it was to attacks on similar beta stations icing. this is the ukranian, ostentatiously demonstrative, launching a type of attack that speaks directly to one of the points of the 2020 degree. but it's about some precedent on van nuclear weapons could be used. yeah. but it wasn't

heading to, i'm sorry, teddy, but that would been an american decision. not a decision made in care, bright icing both as possible. i. it's something that they're doing together with the american citizen entirely possible. i agree with you or it is already work. the dog and evaded extreme for, right, because ukraine also has shown a pattern of trying to drive its allies or sponsors deeper into the club. the reason why i say that teddy gave me o as a angelo this here. i mean, interestingly enough, a person that we hope had been long gone was victoria knew and suddenly starting started going back into the media, talking exactly about a deep strikes into russia. at the same time, in this early warning radar was hit a coincidence or, or what, angelo. and it's hard to say we, we, we making some speculation here. i try, i tried just to just start to look at the actions. there's lots of words, and i think of what they're doing. i have impression,

especially when you look at my quote, i gave you an example of my coal, say the i want to send even thousands soldiers. what guess what? has problems sending a soldiers to you kind of don't, you know? because you guys don't lympics the or the fix roll top desk and you know who was helping in your asking all the countries to send police man to help phrase fast doesn't, has the capacity. in addition to that, we all know that need to those in the have, i mean, nation sufficient munition, because the metering does for complex ease coffee based just not purpose based. those guys did the matrix that's a corpus has been a money laundering machine, not for making weapons for the fence. he wasn't for making money for the me during the so complex. and for all these cover, jumped up in, in, in the, you know, it's really interesting when, you know, when we talk about what's going on with neo liberalism, their financial ice, everything including security gentlemen. and that's why they're in the position

that are in right now. and it's something that they're going to have to pay for again, asking the question why there has to be escalation. before we answer that question, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team. the, the, the welcome back across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you were discussing ukraine.

the . okay, let's go back to david in, in dallas uh, in the publication uh, responsible state craft. uh. occasionally it has something worth reading and it did have this was their main article as we speak right now. poaching may be at the door . why is biden ignoring the bell? which of course is being making a reference to a writer story, a couple of new cycles ago, where the, the kremlin officials have made it clear that the russian side is interested in talks negotiations. no details given of course, but the door is cracked open as it were. if we can keep using that matter for the west has no interest in negotiations. why, david? it's the simple answer is that it will a minute. it will, it means that the west has to admit it's the beats and they are not willing to upset that's we out of the speech. because what this, what this conflict shows,

it showed the really the disparity with the strength of the rushing military and that of the west. how the western institutions, militarily speaking, as a former military myself, i can tell you, the west has no strength whatsoever to face the russian long if we only read in history to understand the history over of that. so we have seen in the russia, empire, whatever you want to thought of, how we went through and it was never defeated. i mean, most of us in the west here have no idea the world war 2 was one because of the soviet union, not the america, but, but here's the, i'm sorry david, yesterday on monday of this week we had the president of the united states memorial day in the united states saying that the united states, one world war 2. again. all right, yeah. i'm agreeing with the design in relation to the front. yeah. americans are

no good when their birth control it say 56 years ago when i went down faster than that, we didn't really understand hope of doing now with the usually in any way. it shows now the hardware, for example, the military hardware into west is in just barebones of what the russians have built. why? because the russians have developed and spend a lot of yours in training. there is cohesiveness. there is more around the which are also david, one of the things they didn't go down the neo liberal path. they didn't, they were they, they have an integrated military, they make all of their stuff, all of their stuff. okay. look whats going on, let me go to topic here. look what's going on. and ukraine. we get some of that. a little bit of french dressing here. we get a little dutch dressing there and you put it all together and you think it's good to work. i mean, these people are out of their minds, okay. and, and in hundreds of thousands of people are losing their lives because this thing just wasn't thought out. all they thought with the sanctions will crush the economy

. they'll be a revolution here. and we'll have a colored revolution that's the depth of their thinking to go ahead in this symbol . yes, i think i've said right, but one thing we have seen in this less them fiasco and that's what it is over the last 2 years, is that these guys never consider a plan b because they're never safe. they need a plan b. and the reason why they think they need know, plan b is that they consistently about consistent the under estimate the advisory. but as long as there's less mistakes, so can obviously americans, you apology, accent, and bore, and the thinking about dresser. but it came up as honest, want to can do what it kind of stand for the vision canvas stand and so on and so on. seems to be based on the most the job exterior types they, they simply it act auto visual thinking on the problem is and never want to abandon it by now it's been a paragraph tested. as you pointed out, sanctions have melted or worked. i prefer to call it a good on my welfare. it's the most to be economic both applied since the end of

the cold war. and it is a complete faith. in fact, the russian economy. and specifically, the russian boy economy has gotten strong because the data is in and the rest has actually gotten beacon in several ways. they don't want to accept as they don't want to accept the failure, obviously volunteer to brand new condo fences with all these best american weapons that also they just don't compute it. now, where is this going to lead this inability to learn? and i think you all up, so you're right. the problem here is the west is not yet ready to concede that it has lost it called the band a couple in 2021 because that phones are best and prospective as a risk. as most for the afghans was a mind that the feet and the could basically hide it away. then no, they cannot do this once. they have being defeated openly by russia. this is already happening. but this steven off the moment of truth, the moment funds it would have to admit that, well, this isn't that i, but i think that we can have, i, i absolutely agree with you, but i think there's

a coffee out here. i'll go to angel about this and, and it was just mentioned, afghanistan was disciplined. well, that was a 20 year gripped, and a lot of people in a lot of money off that thing. that's why they wanted to keep it going. okay. it wasn't a weight, it wasn't the low as it was. so make a lot of task. okay. the same thing is happening with ukraine right now. i mean, you know, everybody who talks about a november elections and all that, these people are saying how much longer can we keep this group going? that's, i'm sorry, everything was said here is true, but we don't forget that. i mean, this is a, a cash cow angelo. what i think it's so it's important to keep in mind that the system of funding and you know, having a, a deep pocket to fact to fund one to them dollars a year was supposed to been as long as there was, there's a us dollar had gemini, now the problem is that we are looking clearly there's a detail, reputation happening around the world. many copies are actually bypassing the dollar. they're treating their own currencies and uh,

as so luckily we will see this trend. and this will not allow the us to spend as much money. so i think so it's a, we need you to because or for the aspect have a big picture and looking at what is happening in terms of financing terms of exchanges in terms of actually p, but the, the, the center of gravity of the what the economy and the world power is shifting towards the east. a new where these happening. what we look at the collective west is, are they the is what is it like 1520 percent of the of the, of the world is nothing. there's a whole world which is waking up out there, 80 percent of the world population. they've been the color nice down. i look the revised. very important. yeah. a lot of people get confused or confused. they think that the multiple, what would be the, the rest of the, what, what the multiple one wants to do is to go to the us and the collective west, the worst to collect the west, it becomes adults more rational,

less emotional. there's a big door open because it's not about either you do uh, with us or against us. it's about how we can work together. and i think if we, on the key, we might go into a transition where we have maybe a, some kind of bailouts, a big out of the wisdom economy is trying to find some compromises, but we don't go to war. no, i tell i, i'm sorry i am i the i don't, i don't see it happening either. i hang on just because heads, you must never give up. hedge funds never go to the go ahead and jump in. go ahead . i have one point of going to argument about with this, this i think to spot on. so the interest in enrichment to your right mean intend us to complex us going fet onto ukraine. but there's one cabinet to your copier, which is these guys know how to get rich this out any given more. so like you could imagine the future, let me put the lights. as my trump becomes president,

he actually stops as more. but this is running massive prophets ends. i'm going to turn to us through complexes and labeled under which they will do. that is no be it has to be ready for wind rush. i was going to attack us in 4 to 8 years. and when you look at best and rhetoric now in germany and other parts of you, this is actually what they're saying. they're not just talking about the covering for the already prepping the. probably to think of most of it is long term cigna against which to me is need a long term. okay. but the rest of it has realized that if you look what's going on in their defense capacities and what they're doing now in cleaning up the defense ministry, they know this is long term. so it sounds like you, you're telling me that every time there's an election in, in america, we did john mccain. huh. or i wouldn't have looked at like that, but yes, it's fine. that'd be where i would actually actually if i'm a, if i'm, if they're jumping into that they, there's some truth to that figuratively speaking. this is not washington operations . what do you think in terms of now this is why you are noticing the state

department now. it is announcing when, when can i use your a to your bring in about your grant is about the upcoming elections. what's, what's the americans do not understand? is that this uh sort of the, maybe to the complex has to be set up since the 1950s. being obsessive has always been to be involved in a conflict, not to into or because we need, but to drag the conflict for as long as possible to make money. that's what was at the heart of it. now this sense use that, the less you post on russia backfire completely unexposed as, as little mention owns, the financial aspect is marked by war and on this web the, the upcoming bridge stomach into us on going to be in october of this year my, my work is going to be a major announcements on the financial front. okay. which basic. okay. yeah. you're talking about a common currency. yes. that's the big buzz right now. i got my fingers crossed to,

we're rapidly running on time. i. um, angelo, they're the estonian president. uh, a lot, a congress, he said we will do everything possible to bring russia and put into their knees. and i read that and that reminded me of the film, the mouse that roared. and so the stony and president sound like he's the, he's from the duchy of grand fenwick. okay. i mean here's a little a sonya telling the whole world the about the power and, and resolve of the west. it seems almost comical. reading a, particularly from a tiny country like that. go ahead angela. well, peter, do you know how we cold then domestic states or cold? did she, what was states? why? because with this, they kind of maybe they don't have much power. but the, when they bought the make a huge noise and that's the bug states. they are absolutely ready. but the interesting part is that there's a high selected that's the, if you look at the, the big stays on the might the tiny, and they should be,

depending on the neighbors. russia, what did they do? the isolated themselves from russia as to, from china because they managed to make and then you meet out of china because they started with k one. that's just up. so i, i think it again, those elected leaders that was actually pre selected by be in the back in the, in the what they called them for him. by the way, the not working for the countries, they'll keep against their own interest. it is time to jump and copy stuff. well, those lead the stuff working for their own interest, but add to add to those leaders that this is what i, you know, with this the scholarship talks about the lead capture, you know, and a lead, a bare buck she works for washington. she doesn't work for the german people. she's even said that we have an entire european class that has been subjugated by washington. and they don't give a hoot about their own people. and that is, gives me reason to be optimistic because eventually people will get fed up about it . you know, losing in afghanistan didn't change the price of eggs in europe in america,

losing in ukraine. will. all right, jennifer, such as a desk. i, well, i'm a big, long winded here to make as all the time we have gentlemen, when i think my guess in hong kong is simple and in dallas. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time and remember across on the the, the russian states never is as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best ingles, all sense and up the same assistance must be the one else holes. question about this,

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