david swallow, he is a geo political analyst, author, and veteran, right. so being cross type roles and in fact, that means it can jump any time you want, and i would appreciate a topic. let me go to you 1st and assemble. obviously your call go following the events surrounding is, are you create as closely as the rest of us here. but you know, you just can't help. but notice all the fishers going on. you have and out of capitals of nato, you know, you have a prime minister saying this, a president saying this, and then you have stilton burger, general, the secretary saying another thing, who's actually calling the shots on ukraine policy? because for all this vantage unity there seems to be an enormous amount of divisions going on. go ahead and assemble. i think you raised the extremely important issue which is that it's entirely unclear who was ultimately calling the shots on your crank policy. i would have said, usually in the end, it is the white house in the end of the same article because the american sup actually told me that mental. and one thing we have seen in this conflict is that the americans that have subjugated so you're being part no. so clients of assets,

i would actually say as never before as a p. and so really subordinate that themselves. but, but yes, my tab. yeah. my category, it is but beautiful, also seen another thing i meant. i would argue that over the last 2 years there has been sort of extremist sunday to hawks if you want. and the half looks to be moderate, so don't get me from cannot be a lot of routes and not pass it 1st, the rushman, but the less extremes ends extremis. so say for instance on one side you have kind of carlos from a stone you had on the other side. you have a little of salts from germany, right? extreme is moderate. and is a big problem in natal, is that the extremist? don't always get what they want, at least not immediately. that's very important to note. but the extremist always set the terms of the debate and then never go away and they never take no for an answer. and the, this, the moderates,

insight new to insight to collective best more broadly. never make these streams take, no, for an on. so this is the very dangerous dynamic that is happening in nature right now. we are looking at the reasons for that. i don't want to take up too much time, but we're looking at this as a situation, visit extremis. x. you don't necessarily call all the shots, but they're constantly dominating the game. and this is 5 years of seeing this long term s collection, right? first of us, never f sixteens because that's what we'll see, you know, be at f 16. so just find the example right. so you never say that the extreme but so i'm not going to drive us on files. i had lots glo see of it and tell them, well, they don't like, but what makes it very interesting. i'll go to angelo on this one right now. i, i agree with everything you just said here, but it seems, you know, and we have these divisions going on and, and the question comes about who's calling the shots, and really, it's really not about ukraine, but it's really about the fate of nato and nato's mission. it will,

it refuses to admit defeat, it refuses to admit that business ridiculous project from the get go. has very little to do with ukraine at this point. go ahead and hung count. yes, absolutely. i think this could be a defining moment for natal east need to use the news is getting to russia these old projects for the past and it could be actually very damaging for you on the long run. but what uh, what is an interesting, what happened? what we sold to this, you paying conflict be says special mutual peroration, which is to realize how d e u is just the best. so entity of the united states and i think it's really important just to go back to history. people do need to understand the dispute project was on. i'm the 1st place to see how you project yours. a way, just to choose, control you up to make the united uh market for you to us product and on the long run to the solve the story nation states. so the europe is actually expanding,

though, is trying to expand. it's a fading project. people are dissatisfied. uh and uh, i think what we saw with the brick street is just the beginning, more copies before. and we see that the visions know is the 3 countries we have, i don't believe we have slough back yet. and we simply verse was very surprising. you had the some of the device from yeah, the uniquely actually decides the lovely evey directly spoke to that. you said you either apologized. oh, you resign. and i think those are science that's in europe in the nature of their divisions. and i think we, we have some great thoughts that as she, it can be sustainable for you up and copies economically. but are still decisions. because people, if you were to do a surveys around you, up people up really nothing to state about this. your cleaning was, these no supports people are interested in. thank you both days. what do i mean by

page books and how much do i put on the table? can i put my key to university those on both of these these divided in control? the a. busy project is not working anymore. people. yeah, the problem is here is they, they can use ukraine is a national security issue that europe is threatening then you could, you, you dismiss, so a civil liberties. you have a war economy. this serves a lot of different purposes except for helping ukraine. you don't, david. one of the interesting, the top it in the last few days is that we had this early warning radar attacked inside of brush you, which is extremely important for a rush is nuclear deterrence. and the west, i mean deterrence is something that's what works both ways that has nothing to do with what's going on the battlefield in ukraine. that's why i'm asking, who's calling the shots here? because that's a nato's interest. it doesn't change the facts on the ground and a new crane david as well. it's because uh they always were like,

same daddy's loses. it has lost that one on, on an individual. the farm is that it's because the fragmentation within nato became a very audience. it's, it's, it's slow cigarettes, it's, it's, it's obvious to everybody. ukraine is done for that's one second thing is the idea that now what the neighbors going to be doing, just stay relevant when in reality. now, here's a relic of the best. we all know this, there is no use for nato anymore. where no, the problem is, in my opinion, is when you will have voice is like what just happened? yes. in paris, when my home is saying, well wait a minute, we gotta live the restroom when, because of the if they do, that means we will be next. this is another by, by the hyper body no more, no less because they wanted to keep the ball rolling. within the reality, nato's done for in russia has to think strategically and the art. thank you

strategically by now. go in the, into the sort of the preparation, if i may use the term or even a drill for the tactical notes. because the conversation though is moving into, are we gonna be, are we meaning nato in this case? are we going to be place in the next on the polish soil? yeah, and i, i don't believe a rush. i wouldn't. all right, something that you're in anticipating one of my questions and i'll ask it now. topic is, is article 5 going to be tested before this conflict is over. because i said that from the get go in the beginning of this complex, eventually we're going to get there. go ahead topic. what is its test, right? then we have the 2 outcomes. one, is it phase, and then they to is discredited and goes out and schedule it. it's completely useless. it's useless anyhow, it's posted because most, but it uses lose a sense of sensations because on that's what right? or it's not tested, it feel or very lucky. so here's why i think there's

a possibility that it won't be tested in the end, and it has nothing to do with the west. and it has to do with russian behavior. because what we have seen during this construct on the russian side is a very high degree of restraint. so on one side, russia is not bluffing. absolutely not how to be noticed because that's how we got into this escalated conflict. because at the end of 2021, they told us nestle talk to you about settling this or something that's going to happen. visa, no, and something did happen. that's where we are no rush. i was not laughing. but on the other hand, we also have seen a very consistent pattern of rush or not taking bates right. so for instance, this attack on the rate of states. no, maybe it was to attacks on similar beta stations icing. this is the ukranian, ostentatiously demonstrative, launching a type of attack that speaks directly to one of the points of the 2020 degree. both

of us and president on van nuclear weapons could be there, but it wasn't heading to outside cutting. but that would been an american decision, not a decision made in cube. right. the icing bulls as possible. i. it's something that they're doing together with the american citizen entirely possible. i agree with you. or it is already work the dog in nevada. extreme for right. because ukraine also has shown a pattern of trying to drive its allies or sponsors deeper into the club. the reason why i say that teddy gave me, oh, as a angelo this here. i mean interestingly enough, a person that we hope had been long gone. was victoria knew, and suddenly sconces arctic going back into the media, talking exactly about deep strikes and russia. at the same time in this early warning radar was hit a coincidence or, or what, angelo it's hard to say we, we, we making some speculation here. i try, i tried just to just start to look at the actions. there's lots of words,

and i think of what they're doing. i have impression, especially when you look at my call. i gave you an example of my cold, say the i want to send them does and soldiers. what guess? what? yes. problem sending a soul just do you kind of don't know because he has your name, fix the already fixed, enrolled into those filters. and you know, who was the head of thing and you want me to fix the, asking all the countries to send police man to help phrase fast doesn't have the capacity. in addition to that, we all know that need to those in the have, i mean, nation sufficient? i mean issue because the metering does a complex ease coffee based just not purpose based. those guys correct, did the matrix that's a corpus has been a money laundering machine. not for making weapons for the fence. he wasn't for making money for the meat during the so complex. and for all these cover, jumped up in, in, in the, you know, it's really interesting when, you know, when we talk about what's going on with neo liberalism, their financial ice,

everything, including security, gentleman and that's why they're in the position that are in right now. and it's something that they're going to have to pay for again, asking the question why there has to be escalation. before we answer that question, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our to the, [000:00:00;00]

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continuously. i know why advice may assume that no one who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely bought the adjustments to be on box weighing a 175 used to go through the sentence. all we going to let that stay in the, in a modern, talking about a world of smartphones and tech upgrades, our terminal crafts and hand painted traditions of yesteryear seem to be fading away. particular stuff outside of the bustling metropolis of moscow. and you'll find that traditional russian culture is still going strong. the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing. you create a, the

okay, let's go back to david in, in dallas uh, in the publication uh, responsible state craft. uh, occasionally it has something worth reading and it did have this was their main article or as we speak right now, poaching may be at the door. why is biden ignoring the bell, which of course is being making a reference to a writer story. a couple of new cycles ago where the, the kremlin officials have made it clear that the russian side is interested in talks negotiations. no details given of course, but the door is cracked open as it were. if we can keep using that matter for the west has no interest in negotiations. why, david? it's a simple answer. peter is that it will many, it will mean that the west has to admit it's the beats and they are not willing to upset. that's reality. because what this, what this conflict shows, it shows really the disparity between the strength or the rushing military and that

of the west. how the western institutions, militarily speaking, as a former military myself, i can tell you, the west has no strength whatsoever to face the russian long. if we only read in history to understand the history over of the soviet union and the russia and kind of whatever you want to thought, how we went through and it was never defeated. i mean, most of us in the west here have no idea the world war 2 was one because of the soviet union, not the america, but i guess i'm sorry, david, yesterday on monday of this week we had the president of the united states memorial day in the united states saying that the united states, one world war 2 again. oh, alright. yeah, i'm, i agree with you. i this is what did you say a relation to the front? yeah. americans are no good. what are their birth control? it say 56 years though, we're going down faster than that. we didn't really understand how big it is going

now with the usually in any way. it shows now the hardware, for example, the military hardware into west is in just barebones of what the russians have built. why? because the russians have developed and spend a lot of yours in training, finish cohesiveness is more around the which are also david, one of the things they didn't go down the neo liberal path. they didn't, they were they, they have an integrated military. they make all of their stuff, all of their stuff. okay. look whats going on. let me go to the topic here. look what's going on. and ukraine. we get some of it. a little bit of french dressing here. we get a little dutch dressing there and you put it all together and you think it's good to work. i mean, these people are out of their mind. okay. and in hundreds of thousands of people are losing their lives because this thing just wasn't thought out. all they thought with the sanctions will crush the economy. they'll be a revolution here, and we'll have a colored revolution. that's the depth of their thinking. cutting go ahead in this

symbol. yes, i think of something right. but one thing we have seen is, is less them fiasco, and that's what it is over the last 2 years. is that these guys never come to the plan b because they never think they need a plan b. and the reason why they think they need know, plan b is that they consistently about consistent the under estimate the advisory. but as long as there's less mistakes, you can obviously americans, you apology, accent, and war. and this thing came about dresser, but it came up as honest want to can do what it kind of stand for the vision kind of stand and so on and so on. seems to be based on the most the job exterior types . they, they simply it act auto police for thinking of the problem is that never want to abandon it by now it's been a paragraph tested. as you pointed out, sanctions have melted or worked. i prefer to call it a good moment welfare. it's the most to be economic both applied since the end of the cold war. and it is to complete say to in fact, the russian economy. and specifically,

the russian boy economy has gotten strong because the data is in and the rest has actually gotten be can serve who but they don't want to accept as they don't want to accept the failure. also the volunteer to find an account or offensive with all these best american weapons that also they just don't compute it. now, what is this going to lead this inability to learn? and i think you all up so you write, the problem here is the west is not yet ready to can see that it has lost it called the band of color into 1021 because that funds of western perspective as a risk, as most for the afghans was a mind 90 feet and the could basically hide it away. then no, they cannot do this once. that being defeated open the by russia. this is already happening. but this steven off the moment of truth the moment, but it would have to admit that, well, this isn't that i, but i think that we can have, i absolutely agree with you, but i think there's a coffee out here and i'll go to angel about this and, and it was just mentioned, afghanistan was disciplined. well, that was a 20 year grist. and a lot of people in

a lot of money off that thing. that's why they wanted to keep it going. okay. it wasn't a weight, it wasn't the lose. it was to make a lot of task. okay. the same thing is happening with ukraine right now. i mean, you know, everybody who talks about a november elections and all that, these people are saying how much longer can we keep this group going? that's, i'm sorry, everything was said here is true, but we don't forget that. i mean, this is a, a cash cow angelo of what i think it's. so it's important to keep in mind that the system of funding and you know, having a, a deep pocket to fact to fund $1.00 fee and $1.00 a year. what's possible, as long as there was, there's a us dollar had gemini, know the problems that we are looking clearly there's a detail, reputation happening around the world. many copies are actually bypassing the dollar. they're treating their own currencies. and uh, as. ready so luckily we will see this trend, and this will not allow the us to spend as much money. so i think so it's,

uh we need you to cuz or for the aspect have a big picture and looking at what is happening in terms of financing terms of exchanges in terms of actually p, but the, the, the center of gravity of the what the economy and the world how it is shifting towards the east. you where these happening? what we look at the collective west is, are they the is what is it like 1520 percent of the of, of the what is nothing. there's a whole world which is wishing up out there 80 percent of the world population. they've been caught a nice deal and i look the revised very important. yeah. a lot of people get confused or confused. they think that the multiple, what would be the, the rest of the, what, what the market for what was to do is to do to the us and the collective west. it was to collect the west, it becomes adults more rational, less emotional. there's a big door open because it's not about either you do uh,

with us or against us. it's about how we can work together. and i dig a if we on the key, we might go into a transition where we have maybe a, some kind of bailouts, a big out of the wisdom economy is trying to find some compromises. but we don't go to war now and how i, i'm sorry i am i the, i don't, i don't see it happening either. uh hang on, just because heads, you must never give up. hedge funds never, no. go ahead and jump in. go ahead. i have one point about your argument about with this i think to spot on. so the interest in enrichment to your right minute intend us to complexes, going fet onto ukraine, or but there's one cabinet to your copier, which is these guys know how to get rich this out any given more. so like you could imagine the future, let me put it like this, but trump becomes president. he actually stops is more, but this is running mess of prophets ends. i'm going to turn to us through complexes and labeled under which they will do. that is no, be,

it has to be ready for wind rush. i was going to attack us in 4 to 8 years. and when you look at best and rhetoric now in germany and other parts of you, this is actually what they're saying. they're not just talking about the covering for the already prepping the public, to think of us as this long term secret against which to me is need a long term. okay. well, the rush ever has realized that if you look what's going on in their defense capacities and what they're doing now in cleaning up the defense ministry, they know this is long term. so talk you, you're telling me that every time there's an election in in america we did john mccain. huh. a lot. i wouldn't have looked at like that, but yes, it's fine. i mean, what i would say actually if i may, if i'm, if they're jumping down there, they do some through to the figuratively speaking. this is not washington operating, but do you think in terms of now this is why you are noticing the state department now is announcing when, when united, your a,

to your break in about 2 grand uses about the upcoming elections. what's most americans do not understand? is that the best sort of the maybe for the complex has to be set up since the 1950s. vamp septic has always been to be involved in a topic, not to win or because we need to drag the conflict for as long as possible to make money. that's what was at the heart of it. now the sensors that the less you post on the russia backfire completely unexposed as i was a little mention, the financial aspect was marked by lord on this when the, the upcoming bridge summit in ties on it's going to be in october of this year. my work is going to be a major announcements on the financial runs. okay. which basic. okay, yeah. you're talking about a common currency. yes. that's the big buzz right now. i've got my fingers crossed . i do. we're rapidly winding our time. i. um, angelo, they're the estonian president. uh,

a lot of congress. he said we will do everything possible to bring russia and put into their knees. and i read that and i reminded me of the film, the mouse that roared. and so the stony and president sound like he's the, he's from the duchy of grand fenwick. okay. i mean, here's a little estonia telling the whole world the about the power and, and resolve of the west. it seems almost comical. reading a, particularly from a tiny country like that. go ahead, angela. well, peter, do you know how we cold then domestic states or cold, that she was states? why? because when they say kindly, they don't have much power. but the, when they bought, they make a huge noise, and that's the bug states. they are absolutely ready. but the interesting part is that then high selected, that's the if you look at the back big stays on the map, the tiny, and they should be depending on the neighbors. russia, what did they do? the isolated himself from russia as to,

from china because they managed to make an enemy out of china because they started with k one. that's just up. so i, i think it again, those elected leaders that was actually pre selected by being the back and the, and the, what the economic form, by the way, the not working for the country dealt one case against their own interest. it is time to jump and copy stuff. well, those lead the stuff working for their own interest, but add to add to those readers that this is what i, you know, with this the scholarship talks about the lead capture, you know, and a lead, a bare buck she works for washington. she doesn't work for the german people. she's even said that we have an entire european class that has been subjugated by washington. and they don't give a hoot about their own people. and that is, gives me reason to be optimistic because eventually people will get fed up about it . you know, losing an afghanistan didn't change the price of eggs in europe in america, losing in ukraine will. all right, general reception. i guess. i, well, i'm a big,

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