we still have some common ground, the the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle. it is now common place to hear that ukraine is on its last legs. its collapse is only a matter of time. in many ways, this is true. however, this overlooks the fact that nato is unwilling to accept defeat in this complex for this aggressive military alliance. more escalation is on the agenda, the cross, i think nato. i'm joined by my guess. angel juliano in hong kong is

a political and financial analyst and assemble. we have conic. so real amar, he is a historian, political commentator, as well as associated professor at cox university. and in dallas we cross the david while ago. he is a jew, political analyst, author, and veteran, right job in cross type roles. and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want and i would appreciate a topic. let me go to you 1st and assemble. obviously your call go following the events surrounding is, are you create as closely as the rest of us here. but you know, you just can't help. but notice all the fishers going on. you have and out of capitals of nato, you know, you have a prime minister saying this, a president saying this, and then you have stilton burge, the general, the secretary saying another thing who's actually calling the shots on ukraine policy? because for all this vantage unity there seems to be an enormous amount of divisions going on. go ahead and assemble and i think you raise the makes the important issue which is that it's entirely unclear who was ultimately calling the shots on ukraine

policy. i would have said, usually in the end it is the white house in the end of this americans, because the american sup actually told me that mental. and one thing that i've seen in this conflict is that the americans that have subjugated so your team partner. so clients of us so, so i would actually say as never before as a p. and so really subordinate that themselves. but, but yes, my tab. yeah, my cabinet is but beautiful also seeing another thing i meant i would argue that over the last 2 years, that has been sort of extremes sunday to hawks if you want. and the half looks to be moderate, so don't get me from pen not to be up on the route, so not pass it 1st, the rushman, but the less extremes and extremist. so say for instance on one side you have kind of carlos from a stone you had on the other side. you have a little of salts from germany, right? extreme is moderate. and the big problem in nature is that the extremists don't

always get what they want, at least not immediately. that's very important to note. but the extremist always set the term substitute bait and then never go away and then never take no one answer and the others, the moderates inside neutral inside to collect the best more broadly, never make the stream is take no for an onset. this is the very dangerous dynamic that is happening in nature right now. we are looking at the reasons for that. i don't want to take up too much time. but if you're looking at this as a situation where the extremes actually don't necessary, call all the shots, but they're constantly dominating the game. and this is 5 year scenes as long term as collection, right? first of all, it's never f sixteens because that's what mostly no, be at f. 16. so just find the example right. so you never say that the extreme was, i'm not going to dr. of all the files that had what's glo, fee of it, and tell them a bank always likes, but what makes it very interesting. i'll go to angela on this one right now. i,

i agree with everything you just said here, but it seems, you know, and we have these divisions going on and, and the question comes about who's calling the shots, and really, it's really not about ukraine, but it's really about the fate to nato and nato's mission. it will, it refuses to admit defeat, it refuses to admit that this is ridiculous project from the get go. has very little to do with ukraine at this point. go ahead and hung count. yes, absolutely. i think this could be a defining moment for natal, east natal, use news as gains to russia. these for projects for the past. and it could be actually they damaging for you on the long run. but what uh, what is an interesting, what happened? what be sold to this, you paying conflict? this special to me to help ration, or just to realize how d u is just a bus. so entity of the united states and i think it's really important just to go back to history. people do need to understand the dispute project was on the 1st

place to see how you project your wages to choose, control you up to make the united the markets for you to us product and on the long run to the sol, destroy nation states. so the europe is actually expanding, though, is trying to expand, it's a fading project. people are dissatisfied. uh, and i think what we saw with the brick street is just the beginning, more copies before. and we see that the visions know is the 3 countries. we have on believe we have slow back yet, and we simply verse, what space surprising? you had the some of the new device from yeah, the uniquely actually decides the lovely evey directly spoke to that. you said you either apologized. oh you resign. and i think those are science that's in europe, in the nato, their divisions, and i think we, we have some great thoughts that as she can be sustainable for europe and countries

economically, but actual decisions. because people, if you were to do a surveys around you, up people up clearly uh, nothing to state about this, your cleaning was these no supports. people are interested in tangible face. yeah. what do you mean by tangible? how much do i put on the table? can i put my kids to university those on both of these these divided in control the a. busy projects is not working anymore. people. uh, yeah, the problem is here is they, they can use ukraine is a national security issue that europe is threatening then you could, you, you dismiss of a civil liberties. you have a war economy. this serves a lot of different purposes. except for helping ukraine. you don't, david. one of the interesting, the top it in the last few days is that we had this early warning radar attacked inside of brush you, which is extremely important for a rush is nuclear deterrence. and the west,

i mean deterrence is something that's what works both ways that has nothing to do with what's going on the battlefield in ukraine. that's why i'm asking, who's calling the shots here? because that's a nato is interest. it doesn't change the facts on the ground. and a new crane david, well, it's because they always were lights in bodies loses, it has lost that one on, on an individual. the farm is that it's because the fragmentation within nato became a very audience. it's, it's, it's no cigarette. it's, it's, it's obvious to everybody. ukraine is done for that's one. second thing is the idea that now what the labor is going to be doing to stay relevant when in reality. now, here's a relic of the best. we all know this. there is no use for nato anymore. where no, the problem is, in my opinion, is when you have voice is like what just happened? yes. in paris when and that's how it's saying, well wait

a minute. we gotta live the restroom when, because of the if they do, that means we will be next. this is another by, by the hyper body no more, no less because they wanted to keep the ball rolling within the reality. nato's done for, in russia as to think strategically and the art. thank you strategically by now. go in the, into the sort of the preparation. if i may use the chart or even a drill for the tactical notes, because the conversation though is moving into are we gonna be, are we meaning nato in this case? are we going to be place in the next on the polish soil? yeah, no, i don't believe a rush. i wouldn't. all right, something that you're in anticipating one of my questions and i'll ask it now. topic is, is article 5 going to be tested before this conflict is over. because i said that from the get go in the beginning of this complex, eventually we're going to get there. go ahead topic. what is its test, right?

then we have the 2 outcomes. one is it phase, and then they to is discredited. and this office creditability, it's completely useless. it's useless anyhow. it's supposed to be useless, but it uses lose a sense of the intentions goes on. that's what right? or it's not tested, it feel or very lucky. and here's why i think there's a possibility that it won't be tested in the end, and it has nothing to do with the west. it has to do with russian behavior because what we have seen during this conflict on the russian side is a very high degree of restraint. so on one side, russia is not bluffing. absolutely not how to be noticed because that's how we got into this escalated conflict, because at the end of 2021, they told us nunez has talked to. yeah. about settling this or something is going to happen. visa? no, and something did happen. that's where we have no rush. i was not laughing, but honestly also, and we also have seen a very consistent pattern of rush or not taking bates. right. so for instance,

this attack on the radio station. so maybe it was 2 attacks on symbol of 8 as stations icing. this is the ukranian, ostentatiously demonstrative, launching a type of attack that speaks directed to one of the points of the 2020 degree by the virtual president on van nuclear weapons could be used. yeah. but the upside cutting, but that would been an american decision, not a decision made in care. right. the icing bowls as possible. i. it's something that they're doing together this the american citizen entirely possible agreement few or it is already work. the dog in nevada, extreme for right, because ukraine also has shown a pattern of trying to drive its allies or sponsors deeper into the club. the reason why i say that teddy gave me oh, as a angelo this here. i mean, interestingly enough, a person that we hope had been long gone was victoria knew and suddenly starting started going back into the media, talking exactly about deep strikes into russia. at the same time,

in this early warning radar was hit as a coincidence or, or what, angelo it's hard to say we, we, we making some speculation here. i try, i tried just to just start to look at the actions. there's lots of words, and i think of what they're doing. i have impression, especially when you look at my quote, i gave you an example of my coal, say the i want to send them does and soldiers. what guess what? yes, problem sending a soul just do you kind of don't know because yes, your name please. the only fix enrolled in the top does and you know, who is the head of thing, and you want me to fix the, asking all the countries to send policeman to help phrase fast doesn't, has the capacity. in addition to that, we all know that need to those in the have, i mean, nation sufficient. i mean issue because the metering does for complex is puffy based, just not purpose based. those guys did the matrix that's a corpus has been a money laundering machine, not for making a weapon,

supposedly offense. he wasn't for making money for the me during the so complex and for all these corrupt, jumped up in, in, in the, you know, it's really interesting. we, you know, way that when we talk about what's going on with neo liberalism, they financial ice everything including security gentlemen. and that's why they're in the position that are in right now. and it's something that they're going to have to pay for. again, asking the question why there has to be escalation. before we answer that question, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our to the

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probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time. but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the waiting thing. the welcome x across the dock were all things are considered computer lavelle to remind you were discussing ukraine. the ok go back to david in, in dallas, in the publication responsible state craft. uh, occasionally it has something worth reading and it did have this was their main article or as we speak right now, posted may be at the door. why is bite and ignoring the bell, which of course is being making a reference to a writer story. a couple of new cycles ago where the, the kremlin officials have made it clear that the russian side is interested in

talks negotiations. no details given of course, but the door is cracked open as it were. if we can keep using that matter for the west has no interest in negotiations. why david? it's the, the simple answer is that it will mean it, it really means that the west has to admit it's the beats and they are not willing to upset. that's reality. because what this, what this conflict shows, it showed the really the disparity between the strength or the rushing military and that of the west. how the western institutions, militarily speaking, as a former military myself, i can tell you the west. it has no strength whatsoever to face the rush, little long if we only read in history to understand the history over of the soviet union of the russia and kind of whatever you want to thought of. how we went through and it was never defeated. i mean, most of us in the west here have no idea the world war 2 was one because of the soviet union, not the america, but i guess i'm sorry,

david. yes to on monday of this week we have the president of the united states memorial day in the united states saying that the united states, one world war 2. again. oh, all right, yeah, i agree was this is what did you say a relation to the front? yeah, americans are no good when i'm there. but she to live say 56 years ago. we're going down faster than that. we didn't really understand hope at this point. now we do usually in any way, it shows now the hardware, for example, the military hardware into west is in comparable to what the russians have bill. why? because the russians have developed and spend a lot of yours in training, finish cohesiveness. there is more around the which are also david, one of the things they didn't go down the neo liberal path. they didn't, they were they, they have an integrated military. they make all of their stuff,

all of their stuff. okay. look whats going on. let me go to topic here. look what's going on. and ukraine. we get some of that. a little bit of french dressing here. we get a little dutch dressing there and you put it all together and you think it's good to work. i mean, these people are out of their minds. okay. and in hundreds of thousands of people are losing their lives because this thing just wasn't thought out. all they thought with the sanctions will crush the economy. they'll be a revolution here, and we'll have a colored revolution that's the depth of their thinking to go ahead and assemble. yes, i think i have some right, but one thing we have cnn is less them. fiasco, and that's what it is over the last 2 years, is that these guys never consider a plan b because they never think they need a plan b. and the reason why they think they need know, can be a set that consistently of a consistent, the under estimate the advisory, but as wellness of less mistakes, you can obviously making geo politics and, and war. and this thing came about russia, but it came up with lines, want to can do what it kind of stand for the vision canvas stand and so on and so

on. seems to be based on the most of all the exterior types. they simply attacked all of these for thinking of the problem is that never want to abandon it by now it's been apparently tested as you pointed out. sanctions have not at all worked. i prefer to call it a good moment welfare. it's the most to be economic, both applied since the end of the cold war. and it is a complete failure. in fact, the russian economy, and specifically, the russian boy economy has gotten strong. does the data isn't. and the rest has actually gotten beaten in several ways. they don't want to accept as they don't want to accept the failure. also the voltage, ukrainian counter offensive of all these best america weapons that also they just don't computed. now where is this going to lead this inability to learn and i think you all up so that you right. the problem here is the west is not yet ready to concede that it has lost it called a band a couple in 2021 because that funds are best and prospective as

a risk. as most for the afghans was a mine how to feed and it could basically hide it away. then no, they cannot do this once. that being defeated open would be by russia. this is already happening. but this steven off the moment of truth the moment, but it would have to admit that, well, this isn't that i, but i think that we can have, i absolutely agree with you, but i think there's a coffee out here. i'll go to angel about this and, and it was just mentioned, afghanistan was disciplined. well, that was a 20 year gripped, and a lot of people in a lot of money off that thing. that's why they wanted to keep it going. okay. it wasn't too when it wasn't the lose, it was so make a lot of task. okay. the same thing is happening with ukraine right now. i mean, you know, everybody who talks about a november elections and all that, these people are saying how much longer can we keep this group going? that's, i'm sorry, everything was said here is true, but we don't forget that. i mean, this is a, a cash cow angelo of what i think it's. so it's important to keep in mind that the

system of funding and you know, having a, a deep pocket to fact to fund $1.00 to $10.00 a year. what's possible, as long as there was, there's a us dollar had gemini, know the problems that we are looking clearly there's a detail, reputation happening around the world. many copies are actually bypassing the dollar. they're treating their own currencies. and the is. ready so luckily we receive this trend and this will not allow the us to spend as much money. so i think so it's a, we need you to because or for the aspect have a big picture and looking at what is happening in terms of financing terms of exchanges in terms of actually p, but the, the, the center of gravity of the what the economy and the world power is shifting towards the east. a new where these happening. what we look at the collective west is that they the is what is it like 1520 percent of the, of the, of the what? it is nothing. there's a whole world which is wishing up out there 80 percent of the world population.

they've been caught a nice deal and i look at the revised very important. yeah. a lot of people get confused or confused. they think that the multiple, what would be the, the rest of the, what, what the multiple one wants to do is to go to the us and the collective west. it was to collect the west, it becomes adults more rational, less emotional. there's a big door open because it's not about either you do uh, with us or against us. it's about how we can work together. and i think if we, on the key, we might going to a transition where we have maybe a boat or some kind of bailouts. a big out of the wisdom economy is trying to find some compromises. but we don't go to war now and how i, i'm sorry i am i the, i don't, i don't see it happening either. uh hang on, just because heads, you must never give up. hedge funds never go to the go ahead and jump in. go ahead

. i have one point to bump your argument about good. this is i think to spot on. so the interest in enrichment to you right? mean, intend us to complex was going fast onto ukraine more, but there's one cabinet to your copier, which is these guys know how to get rich this out any given more. so like you could imagine the future there because you lives as a trump becomes president, he actually stops is more, but this is running massive profits ends. i'm going to turn to us through complexes and labeled under which the able to, yvette is no be it has to be ready for wind rush. i was going to attack us in 4 to 8 years. and when you look at best and rhetoric now in germany and other parts of fuel, this is actually what they're saying. they're not just talking about the covering for the already prepping the. probably to think of most of it is long term secret against which the need a long term the ever has realized that if you look what's going on in their defense capacities and what they're doing now in cleaning up the defense ministry, they know this is long term so talk you,

you're telling me that every time there's an election in in america we did john mccain. huh. a lot. i wouldn't have good luck but, but yes, it's fine. i mean, well actually actually if i'm a, if i'm, if they are jump in there they, there's some truth to that figuratively speaking. this is not washington operators . what do you think in terms of now this is why you are noticing the state department. now it is announcing when, when united, your a, to your bring in about your grant, this is about the upcoming elections. what's, what's the americans do not understand is that's this sort of the, maybe to the complex has to be set up since the 1950s. bam. septic has always been to be involved in a conflict, not to into or because we need, but to drag the conflict for as long as possible to make money. that's what was at the heart of it. now these sensors that the was you post on russia backfire

completely unexposed as, as a little motion on the financial aspect. because marked by on this web, the, the upcoming bridge summit in touch on some of you in october of this year, my work is going to be a major announcements on the financial front. okay. which basic. okay, yeah, you're talking about a common currency. yes. that's the big buzz right now. i've got my fingers crossed . i do. we're rapidly running on time. i. i, um, angelo, they're the estonian president. uh, i'll or a congress. he said we will do everything possible to bring russia and put into their knees. and i read that and that reminded me of the film, the mouse that roared. and so the stony and president sound like he's the he's from the duchy of grand fenwick. okay. i mean, here's a little a sonya telling the whole world the about the power and, and resolve of the west. it seems almost comical, reading a particularly from a tiny country like that. go ahead, angela. well, peter,

do you know how we cold then domestic states or cold, that she was states? why? because when they say kindly, they don't have much power. but the, when they bought, they make a huge noise and that's the bug states. they are absolutely ready. but the interesting part is that there's a high selected up. so if you look at the back, big stays on the map, the tiny, and they should be depending on the neighbors. russia, what did they do? the isolated himself from russia as to, from china because they managed to make an enemy out of china because they started with k one. that's just up. so i, i think it again, those elected leaders that was actually pre selected by being the back in the, in the, what the economic for, and by the way, the not working for the country dealt working against their own interest. it is time to jump and copy stuff. well, those lead the stuff working for their own interest, but add to add to those leaders that this is what i, you know, with this the scholarship talks about the lead capture, you know, and to lead

a bareback, she works for washington. she doesn't work for the german people. she's even said that we have an entire european class that has been subjugated by washington. and they don't give a hoot about their own people. and that is, gives me reason to be optimistic because eventually people will get fed up about it . you know, losing an afghanistan didn't change the price of eggs in europe and america losing and ukraine will. all right, general exception. i guess i, well, i'm a big, long winded here to make as all the time we have them. and i want to thank my guests in hong kong is simple and in dallas. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are to see you next time. and remember, across on the,

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one box weighing, a $175.00. use virtual sense. it's all we're going to lift that, stay the hi everybody. i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact. and this is what we're going to be talking about. the . those are civilians in ross being according to press reports burned alive and you know what's worse when you watch that and when we're going to be talking about it, the fact that most of them were trapped there. they had no place else to go. i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact. let's do it. the okay, here we go. we're gonna begin to show with one of the most barbaric acts the world

has witnessed in some time, which it must be said, follows months of other barbaric acts. there is an international global outcry right now against israel after the of railey government of baby nathan yahoo has just attacked and again, burn the live according to press reports. more than 40 people 46. that last count, that number could obviously change. it could grow. it included children who were trapped like animals in a refugee camp in rafa. let's take a look at some of these pictures. the, as we look at this year, we're thinking that many of those people were in pence. and again, they had no place to go because they had been told to go there because other parts of raw fault would probably be attract. so.