so using this method for the persecution of an owner that lives they were just another layer. yeah. why don't policy or fee in on going in a much why do best accuse jane of any voice that the is against the start? don't guys up against the crimes that the government, the is the bill, suicide, and against the eh, related beat exposure of those guys. this is another layer, each of the people, the, i'd spend a these, you know, they, the government leaves the wage, the war against any legal position to its policy, especially around the dsr on guys out. but also is on the ethnic cleansing the goes on in the west bank and huge. it was a limb. in the process of properties, they shall receive the state to for you, right? anyone tries to weighs and then left the voice or to expose the. busy describes easy media, people secure them in under a duck,

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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level. we are told that by the administration won't change its support for israel, even in light of the recent rock, the massacre. there are no red lines, only empty words. the international community is rallying to the palestinian cause . meanwhile, the us stands alone in isolation. the prospect in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal and media analyst in seattle. we have ramsey my road, he is a policy, an authorized journalist, and in bay we crossed as the bug grill lopez. he is a news this editor for the cradle or a gentleman, cross talk roles, and the fact that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate line . and let me go to you 1st here, john kirby,

this folks person for the national security establishment for the bite administration said he was offended by a question that included how many more char babies will it take for the biden administration to consider his policy. he's offended it, is that what the only thing to be offended about as we watch all this unfold? how out of touch are these people because i was offended, but he could be offended by a question. the refer like reality go ahead. lima. one of the many of us and the world are offended by charge babies and charged people. so we're on the same page. if you think about this, you know, what's interesting, a gentleman is that this past week, it, it, it occurred to me that in a conversation, you know, anybody can win an argument. if nobody ever pushes back. if you're, if you have a debate and your team, your, your opponent just listens. nothing will ever change. that's what's happening right

now. i live, i told you in the 1st bull, what we're talking about right now. i guarantee it was not known or cared about by 90 percent of the people in my country and i would say western we use the word red line, red line has been used to death. i think the administration said we do not want another 30000 on another. does that mean that short of that when i hear when i see the politicians signing autographing missiles, why did didn't in world war 2 like a hailey? are you nicky? hey i, i, i'm thinking myself, i'm in a, it's me, i'm in a parallel universe because i can't believe, does anybody not realize what's happening here? there's no recourse. so i'm offended by a myriad of topics. yeah, around 0 and it's really quite interesting. the biden's peer, well,

i think it costs like $360000000.00 is a, it's all broken up and it's gone to sure here. i think it's a good metaphor for his entire policy. it's broken, it was never thought out. and it just basically based on lies and deceit. go ahead, as i've said it would be, but just one very quick thing. just commenting on what our friend then they'll have to say, you know, like, oh, i love you. and i love everything. you have to say, but i have to disagree with you on this one. i don't think that there is a massive change happening even in the united states. finally, finally, i know that there was a group of kids in the city of seattle where i live at the moment, who decided to do just a simple approach as downtown seattle on instagram. i attended it and it was the i was in some people restaurant owners, people, taurus, the streets, shooting briefly pa, this time i had been in this country for 25 years in this city for 25 years. i have never seen anything like this. so i think it's the nick is here,

it is of this world core becoming isolated then it has supposed i actually liked it when she did what she did. i, you know, it shows what the most though she is a human being. but a lot of americans are just pausing and asking the question, how is this ok, how was lindsay ramos asking for a bomb to be dropped a nuclear bumped to be dropped over going as. okay, so a lot of americans, i think developing this, what you were talking about earlier, this new consciousness. that's 3 the indicates that there is a major ship happening among ordinary americans, and i think this is gonna continue for the coming period. as for the question, yeah, from the very beginning we said that this is an american attempt at describing palestinians of the last line of defense and that is dropped off. and that's exactly what happened. but luckily, even that little sham of theirs is not working. they're saying the weather broke it down, although things they said one of the ships capsized or whatever. so there is some

sort of a, again, that the americans that play. and by the way, until now not a single person and a has been fed as a result of this american project. yeah, not the 2nd part of a 160 h a. a trucks worth of wouldn't been taken from the, the peer somewhere. but they disappeared, nobody knows what, how to the more we don't we, this is not going to go anywhere and it, well a maybe there were people i is rarely protesters, the spoiled it and threw it away. like we've seen so many of the videos. okay. these are civilians that are given military protection to denied basic needs for the palestinian people, which is against international law. and it's in violation of the genocide convention of savannah. you know, one of the, another big story that we had in the last few days is that massage was a stocking and intimidating the former prosecutor of the i, c c. now i never been a big fan of the i c c. but this, this stocking and threatening a judge is mafia tactics and basically,

and again it's my own opinion here that we see the mafia behavior in the media, the mafia behavior in congress. we see them off the behavior of too many people in the western alliance and, and, and western europe. this is, there's a lot of mafia behavior going on here and it's being exposed. go ahead. opposite of some of these being a bit exposed by the 30 days themselves. right. because uh, i don't want to, i, but what uh, what, what we've been said so far that we are at this moment seeing a complete clash between what it's supposed to be international already supposed to be, you know, basic human decency. and whatever the, where's the, you know, whatever the us government spouts, whatever the cy on these, the institutions is spelled over there. and this whole thing with the i c, c persecution. well, you know, cutting time the prosecutor said himself that i'm elected western a bishop bolden, b a c i c c. he's only meant for africa and folks like booking. and i think about says that all right, we are leaving in

a current the reality in which there are laws for psalm and then last for others rather obviously pushes for some of the institutions for others. and even with these, uh, these for ridiculous thing with the, with the gas up here. right. and there's absolutely no sense in opening up something like that. a creating spending $320000000.00 when there are 7 perfectly, a good operating a blank crossings need to go. so that could allow hundreds of trucks to enter every single day. what is exactly needed. so there's another space doesn't want to see that the right they want to help ease from maintain permanent control of gas and that expense to the political persecution that the i c c judges. and i'm pretty sure so not the i c j. now just they're going to be facing because why? because they, they're ask the question that easy to oliver. busy busy minds which these are the us and these are all above international law that's. that's the question that is being asked right now. line. oh, you know, i'm a new,

i still call it twitter. a new hash tag that's trending is never biden. and of course, it's because of his policy and primarily his policy on palestine within his own party. people that saying he's not doing enough in the other thing, he's doing too much. okay. i mean, what iron need the in, in for someone that has been very high and in the lobbies donations biden is, uh, yeah, i repeat what he's so as, go ahead line. oh yeah i, i must go back and i say that please. dear god or whoever, i hope i'm wrong. there is a blood brain barrier that sometimes have to remember that what we think gentlemen, are not necessarily what everybody thinks. yes, there are pockets. i don't want to belabor the point, there are pockets under the more so dare i say piers morgan. there you go. if this mean, if this means anything, you don't like it will be j supposedly said, you know, when you've lost peers, morgan, you've lost middle america. but,

but there is something and i came across is on the x or twitter. and i'm with you peter. i even still use albums, so that's my particular frame of reference. but there are pictures that are when you're talking about, insinuated babies, they show them. and if i could somehow make, if i could somehow whatever this, this barriers to let the american people know what we're talking about. if they saw this, like they did during the period in vietnam, when they said, do you mean that what's been going on? it would change everything because there is a strangle hold on information right now more than ever. and they are hoping beyond hope that people do not see the reality of this one more thing is an interesting talking about contradictions. we want it international court if it apply to vote, but out of it applied to us. and then we say the incredible technological facility

of israel. however, how many times have they said oaks my bed made a mistake? sorry. yeah. jose address, sorry warriors how, you know, the fog of war, what you're going to be, and then people often time just not and say, well whatever, as they move on to the next story, i hope that is coming to an end. well remedy they mean if you look at the genocide conventions. yeah. biden blank and sullivan all the rest of them, their their toadies in europe. they, they are comfortable under the same convention. and i think the beginning to realize that because the, again, i'm not a big booster of the i. c. c with the icpc is moving. we have the international criminal court. this that's also preceding, this is serious business. and i think people in the west leaders in the west were beginning to realize that they could get caught up into this web ramsey. i think i think what the carrier sign has done to everyone by surprise. honestly. yeah. because i mean,

54 people were indicted by or arrest warrants were issued for 54 people worldwide says that the court has started. 40 of them are africans. a vast majority of them are from the global self. so this is a 1st, so this is, this is why they were taken by surprise. that said the i c. c should have moved much earlier considering the paddick that that decision that was created. cutting him son knows exactly what's happening because i, he came to the bottom. oh, there used to he's. so what's going on and the other side. he knows exactly what's happened. it's belated, but it's better late than never. but the question is, is, are the america's actually complicit, or are they directly involved from the very beginning. i've made the, the argument that the americans are directly involved. you can't give this much money. that's right. you cannot sustain this war from the very start and just the polite provide every political, every legal,

every moral justification for is up to do what's doing and know you are present in gaza. the delta force has been in and out of gauze that the p are means that the americans are in garza, the or we didn't. then it's the room area which is controlled by as well. and garza, the american dread rather the whole overhead to get you hold that thought, my friend, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team. the, the, the russian states never see as tight as one of the most sense community best. most all set set up the,

in the 65 to 5 must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz phone next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say to stephen twist, which is the same wrong? just don't you have to say power

and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground the the welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter was about to and you were discussing palestine. the this is go back to us about in bay road. you know, this one phrase gives me hope and it, it gives me a sense of dread at the same time. it's the 2 state solution which, you know, that's the, the fallback position that everyone talks about in mainstream western media, corporate media here. but of course we know that the current prime minister of

israel and nothing yeah. who has been a in friday, the israel will never support that biden's minions come out and say that is the goal and all that and, and it doesn't take a. busy lot to see, well what kind of a farce are we going through here? if the administration that is funding and giving diplomatic support for this genocide, i just think that it can't get its way. then. then what is the then the, what kind of legal protections that do the, by the ministration have when pursuing as policies? cuz obviously it's not going to work. if it's partner isn't willing to do this, go ahead and be real. well, it's lucky, you know, each felt themselves up being the 1st to say we will never approve about 2 state solution because 1st of all, the 2 state solution would have to include that with back and they'll combined with bank of 10, is yours and them as a policy and copied so let's not forget that the us in 2020 i believe, recognize these recently mosley's running capital. so they would have to back track on that. and then all of us on the road would have to clear out all of these

hundreds of westbank settlements that are just chopped off. extreme is similar groups that are used to just, you know, burn down, probably see me on villages up a shoot. the probably seen yes, kill them with completing needs as all, 1st of all the starting over there that simply not going to happen. united side. so it's a pipe dream and he's that ridiculous. and it statement that it keeps being repeated by european leaders by the us. i see if it's something that would actually resolve the problem and why they keep talking about over the form of a cd and authority. what does that even mean? and how can they publish the end of all righty, which palestinians themselves do not trust the not the not considered to have any legitimacy. how can they be that was leading, leading any palestinian government writing needs to be an actual need there. one, they want it there to be a probably staying in the state. it needs to be 1st of all, independence. and it needs to be led by all probably as being is not just by the ones that are willing to work alongside israel, so that simply not, not they,

they the way out of these, the way out of these use for israel to the, for these reading the, for the scientists project to be on the, or these to be on gone for probably as time to read it, to re gain all of these very sorry. and then you know, all of these really serious as who wants to remain there to remain there. right, uh they will have all of the productions moving along side the same as the boxes, esteban, there's even a simpler solution they can apply for palestinian citizenship. okay. and that, that's one way also to do that. okay. i don't understand why. oh, but for 75 years it's been ex, accepted, that palestinians must become zine as well. white. why can't some jews become palestinian citizens? okay. it works both ways. okay. you're like, oh is it as we go towards the election here? and i already talked about the never bite and movement. it's very interesting. i mean, i, i agree with you. there's like, it's a, this whole story is a control controlled. i burn, sorry for the metaphor here about how americans are supposed to consume this,

but fewer and few people watch cable tv. i don't watch it anymore. it's a waste of time. ok. there's so many other good sources of information out there. and you brought up here as morgan or piers morgan just as the farce of this duplicity. he does it for us. okay. because he's not very smart and he just looks at headlines and he throws in. well, he's not okay. i mean, he's a tabloid guy. that's what he is. all right. but he brings on some pretty interesting people and they just show it back into his face. he really doesn't know what to do about it. go ahead, vinyl. well, a couple of things here, hearkening back a gentleman to 911. there's one thing i've learned that i can always speak about the 1st of all. we don't want to hear a lot of specifics about names and who is it is a ppo, a pet that was in the authority or her minds and the guy that way we don't wanna hear about this. give us something like terrorism. oh kite. that's it. that will do it now we just say how much it's and what somebody will say is we don't care,

we're how much is now, what does that mean? that means that if we, if there was one hint if, if, if 2 hamas leaders are perhaps convincing in a 10 somewhere where ever they are, wherever they are, that gives us cardboard to eliminate them. now that it sounds spacious, but to most people you mentioned it kaylee. okay, that sounds good enough because we have to on do this as though it is a place as though. but it just seems as though there was a headquarters with uniforms and chevrons in a general and a liter. somebody's over time, years ago the fighting terrorism is like trying to catch smoke with your hands. sounds great. but as long as these terms are used, and as long as i'm, i'm sorry, but as long as the wrong people don't understand that there are human beings involved in this. this will continue, but i've never felt more hopeful than i do right now. they say to me or the totally right, let me, let me go to ramsey right now they can use all of the labels they want. but when

you see a disfigured child a chart, baby, all those labels go out the window because any decent human being is horrified by and it would makes it more horrible. is it? it can be stopped. ok, it can be stopped. go ahead and say, ramsey. and i think it's, there is, we are the custom of a historic moment, not only because of the change that is happening regarding the perception of palestine, not because of the way the even older people now st. palestinians have the right to resist and to defend themselves. i've never thought that that moment was even possible in my life time. but something else is also happening. we are challenging mainstream media. it's used to be something that we did a theory. we used to talk about it as an academic possibility, but now mainstream media is being side line in favor of a different type of media with a social media independent media. people are communicating in the streets and

emails and use this them every other way. we have actually managed to change the global consciousness around palestine using a completely different medium of communication. aside from that very tightly controlled mainstream, corporate media. and i don't think that they would be able to reverse this because as a whole, different upper right. this is being at work school years and years and years and i think is gonna pay off. it's in fact it is already paying on in, in regarding goals. that pot is, scott, i think it's only going to accelerate. okay. because a in the, this whole of the, the genocide is actually just another issue that so many people feel marginalized with because of neo liberalism. and this is given the younger generation, something they need to break the shackles. i mean, they lie about this, then they probably are lying about just about everything else, which of course they are as about inmate route. as we all know that spain norway,

in ireland recently recognized palace, palestine as a state. oh, oh, little late, you know, and, but met better late than never, i mean a 140 other countries that were ahead of them. but of course this, these, these are american satellites. so this is an important to be the is really president cods turned around and basically said these are anti semitic countries. how does that work anymore? i asked this question, often these programs being accused of anti semitism. yeah, that's a pretty nasty thing to be accused. but of course it is banned either about without any real meaning it's just a, a slower go ahead. it's 100 percent, you know, used without any meaning at this point. but suddenly we, you are seeing that even now in the, in you as always, being and try. and as i said, we do, some is also a pre existing will be used for right now, you cannot read this idea. no, because all of a sudden you're, you're on by send me right here because it really sites a u. s. government, all your life. but you guys don't there be criticising israel and i think this is really, you know, like i, we, we are reaching a point the history that are there is not thrown around. there is no way back there

is no voting virginia back into bottles right anymore. try to in the i think uh, you know, a when uh in the salt, thanks to well, the fact that we are currently connected all the time, right. i, we are seeing a lot of these massacres. we're seeing like these attacks on our phones. we do not need cnn, we don't update fox news. we will not be any news network to tell us what is happening. we can see it or sales. and i think that has been big game changer ride the democratic session of information. and of course, there's always gonna be that they have to silence it like a calling. anyone with their is great size. these are all a 9 by semis, but that seemed to doesn't have to wait. it does a used to have anymore. i would imagine in the west maybe i'd be more right. uh if people who, who is employers, maybe it may be willing to fire someone for being a non fi, same i. but other than that is just, you know, and the thought that these find these empty rhetoric and these sadly, even the jewish population out there, you go with that he's realizing that they are, the western governments are using their jewish, their joyousness. and right,

there are the fact that there are jews to justify change the sites, or just the fire war machine to justify the mass murder of children. and of course, they don't want that. what do you want that? what was the one that your identity to the type of genocide you know, line or you know, you over the years you and i have made light of the younger generation with some of their attitudes and, and lifestyles, etc, etc. but i, i, i were a very god said this younger generation of dogs and you know, and thank goodness for young american jews they, they, they are showing the sight of judaism, that is real and not design is crime that they want design this want to wrap them all into under one umbrella with and they're telling us that is not true. and i think that is a huge change for congress as an american juice of setup for the right thing. and i'm very proud of them go headlines. you know, i do you ever awhile back? whatever. but he mentioned salo lensky, all of a sudden, over 90 was like, that's

a typical salo lensky movie. go. how would follow lensky? well, anyway, he became the, the, the patriarch of, of all things left as well. i wouldn't be the salo inskeep, and here's my number one rule. if you are an anti semite, if you are a racist pray as much as you can, that they use the word racism and anti semitism to the point where it gets such metallurgy that it becomes meaningless. then you can move in. it's like reducing resistance to bacteria with anybody out of the word means nothing. so if there ever is true anti semitism, if there is a racism, nobody, there is a how are you doing that? again? it goes, no, no this, i mean it, this time is cry wolf. lastly, did you notice how harvard university for the 1st time this week said we're not going to be involved in any kind of matters of concern? so what it and your friends, when you, you what, yes, we figured a way around as we here, bye. are going to pull back and not be involved because you've got donors,

you've got students and just students aren't budging at all. they're, they're having diplomas. and and um and um, i guess, uh, the problem is withheld. a risk of such so young people, i'm with you peter. this is the spirit of that 6 these. they love it, and the more you push against them, the more they fight back, which makes me, yeah, but you know, but why don't we, you know, it's really interesting is that this is a moral cause. okay. we're not talking about artichokes or inflation. we're talking about what, because when i watch all this i'm, i'm losing my own humanity in this program i have here across stock is a way for me to say it's not we, it's all look at this and with honestly and not lose our heart humanity and i think that's what's most important gentleman so much to discuss, but so little time i want to thank my guest in new york, seattle, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our team. so your next time and remember,

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