[000:00:00;00] the the sooner they welcome back to going underground boat crossing all around the world from the u. a where president shakela home and been zaya, and was with chinese president agent being engaging this week, both like the international community condemn. israel is invasion of roughly enabled by the usa, u. k. and the you, nations, today, voters and color bricks member and biggest democracy in the world. india will decide who they want as prime minister in the final stage. i mean, it's 18th general election. i know pac plus meat in vienna to defy us schools to increase energy output. it's also the anniversary of the 1982 signing of

a landmark. i n f nuclear weapons treaty between the usa and russia, torn up by the old trump catalyzing a well today where israel, nato and russia. now named check the foreseeable use of nuclear weapons, whether it be in gaza or ukraine. joining me from falls church in virginia in the usa is a former us army officer, if that is kind of lawrence wilkerson receive your stop as a state department, would you like any blankets up? he adds an unconditional supporter of israel. thank you so much kind of air coming back on bunting and beheaded babies in rough or multiple eros, whom is worth of t and t equivalent on garza. and today, the end of us here, the now ended i n f new 3, a treaty. how new is the world to nuclear use? now senior senator lindsey graham told me about israel and nuclear weapons just the other day. congressman said the gaza should be new. it's interesting that you

bring up the iron yesterday. it was go on pals greatest. he thought achievement with president reagan when he was national security advisor and deputy. and he said it was the most important new to our weapons. true you all because those weapons were the most dangerous a law. and now we've destroyed the starting with george bush in the abm treaty, which was an on bridal stupid on wise act, abrogate the treaty. and he did it essentially because the new conservatives in his government wanted him to. so that one, they can make money off the enormously expensive apparatus associated with the m d . but also because they hated the world as they do every body other than us. and wanted to make sure that in the future they can defend themselves against a new car strike contemplating that they would launch that strike. so that's, that's how dangerous. so eliminating the after the was and bro, the others into it. and i don't want to leave out the conventional forces in europe

treating you may have seen the recently former police law for general, harrell co, john, and gave a disposition on our own presentation. a brilliant presentation era died sliding. alexander the great clowes with number of other people, but it is described how stupid, how unwise, our strategy is today, and what we're doing in your grain and gaza and elsewhere. i don't know where this country is going, but i do know it's not any positive place anytime soon. i mean, just on the massacre in rough uh, the pictures of which are being beamed around the global south. if they end up being a real cost on what's being called us more often than not nato propaganda media that you have in the u. s. and in native nations when national security advisor jake sullivan, biden's advisor said, as he said, as regards the why,

the us ascending weapons to israel committing genocide, according to most people around the world, he said, what we're going to be looking at is whether there is a lot of death and destruction from this operation. but as regards the may, the 15th, the, another $1000000000.00 of us public money sent in at yahoo. does he facilitate this holocaust in rafa? of course, he did, everyone who's completed a, as facilitated from president joseph biden, down to the lowest member of the united states government, who now has not walked out and resigned in shame and anger over the policy. um, it goes back up just for a minute. if you look at what is happening in the i, c, j, m, the i c c. we're seeing the 1st display of more or less balanced international justice. in the past the i c. c, basically

a captive of the non signatory power of the united states. only would have to black people in africa. and then when the balkans are up to date, when after their 1st white people right above the garage, it can sold it on milosevic. but still going after people that the c i, a in the united states declared their enemies. now suddenly they've grown up. now suddenly they've got a pair of components. now suddenly they are actually doing an international justice and look at what the great bastion of international justice here to for has said about that. we haven't even had congress members who would call the family and members of the i, c. c. and threatened them. this is not the way a hedge or live, or decent country or a country interested in its reputation and future acts as a way of country acts that is lost and building the rest of the world like the brakes, for example, into

a balancing entity to take care of it and mark my words that will happen. so you'd see that as the mosque being off because a lot of people say the international vocation chord as you anticipate, gave them another month, the israelis to continue committing genocide. then we're even had that bake weighted resistance to occupation with the response to october, the 7th that arguable continual violations of un security council resolutions in westbank, in jerusalem that are continuing right now. but there was a student move in my view, um, jurisprudence is jurisprudence. but you have to live in the world, and it was a very balanced decision to take to 3 principal leaders of a mosque and uh, you know, go off and maybe not in your on the other side of thrones, from other people in there. others are on man give here and there for sure blood thirsty cell up to the is the main give here would kill every palestinian man. woman and child in

a heart beat. if you have the apparatus and the method to do it. so out of thrown him in there just to make it a little more balance, $3.00 to $3.00, if you will. but the court has to live in the world, and i think it's a good to say, yeah, well, it has to stop the killing. of course, there have been reports that there were threats to the judges before they were making their deliberations. but you mentioned been give you, you know, these really labor party, a chief said that to give you here and then yahoo, where uh, collaborate is in the killing of a ravine in, uh, israel. do you think, what do you think that and yeah, well maybe you can tell me uh, cause of course they denied about that and people don't watch the video. watch the video that these riley filmmakers put together and of course that we squashed as it was as soon as it across the ocean and were shown in this country. but it's a brilliantly put together video because about 2 thirds of the video, the documentary is actual footage,

including the actual footage of the assassination. and from that video made by jewish filmmakers mind you and is real. that video shows how nothing you know, stirred up the grounds, got the crowds to be violent, and a boy is and knew exactly what he was doing. knew what would happen, probably even knew the group from which the assassin would com. and of course, after the assassination, some years later, a resurrected dame and made him a hero in the side or community. so baby was responsible for the assassination of youth zach were being as we, the united states of america are now responsible for the genocide and gaza as well . and that kind of thing was known by us intelligence services. it was known in the state to us when you are chief of stuff, you bet. well them right now, you know, and that for years, do you think blinking realizes that netanyahu could be assassinated at any moment? that would be, you know, people ask me that question. mother said you don't understand the right versus the

middle and the lawyer. my father used to put it this way. the left in the middle, bankruptcy of the ride will kill you. the left in the middle have no, no, no desire, no desire, no, no inclination to go out, suited people or to blow people up or whatever, but the right does the right or not sees the right or trotsky is the right or linens. i'm sorry, they are people who want to kill to achieve their purposes. and so that's the people to be scared of imagining hours they've been give years and so forth. the damage can be done in other ways. as my father used to say, the level bankruptcy. but they won't kill you. it's right. they will go use the hip verse of the world of okay. you know, since we last spoke, of course, the president of iran has died in a helicopter accident. what were your 1st thoughts about that? i saw the, the nature of propaganda media talking about how unpopular he was in this because

of the regime change and tire run and then suited we not sure the millions on the streets of iran right across the country. morning him. what was your 1st thoughts when you had raised the a died in the helicopter accident so soon after this calibrated response to the us . so i'm going to be, um the, these are in the bombing of the consumers in damascus as well. that one, right, right. easy is doing other than approving it. that was a very sophisticated group within they are out there on revolutionary guard. that the, the, um, my 1st reaction was i want to see what happened. it was towards the some film. i got my wish and i'm a helicopter pilot over 3000 hours 1000 plus of them in vietnam in combat. and i saw the conditions under which that helicopter went down and those conditions were the kind that, for example, destroyed a lot of high and these, that the russians flu, enough kind of stuff. because you get into the weather situations that are so desperate with

a heavily loaded helicopter not space. and iranian helicopters aren't very well maintain because we have sanctioned the be jesus out of the aircraft repair parts resumes so they can't get anything. so i knew they said it was an old bell helicopter for which they can get pods from the 3rd parties very easily. i should say, i've lived in iran for quite a while. yeah, but it's, it's tough. it's really tough. so i've, i've seen some of the aircraft, i wouldn't lie in the. okay, so you're obviously leaning on this side of accident even though, as you said, just before, you know what the other side is capable of. yeah, i do. but there are some things that just aren't conspiracies, and he just come out of the damn celebration as i understand it, and that sort of job where they were celebrating the joint potential for the joint construction. another very important them there, and the weather was just absolutely obama, but what i would not have flown at. i been the pilot now could by the who is

clearly suffering with his base of november's election. divert attention from god as to what is happening in europe. because that the mass will that conflict, the proxy war has disappeared a little from the headlines of nature, nation at media. what do you make of this seeming debate about whether the us you'd like britain allow weaponry to target russia within russia to a stupid debate? it's a long wise debate. it's a cruel debate. it's a brutal bag. it makes no sense whatsoever. let's just state, for example, the reason shot. it brushes early warning system for ballistic missile shop from the united states of russia. that is the worst possible thing you can do with regard to their strategic warning system. so had it been the situation that exist as a couple of times in my experience with ours inside the military,

there would have been a, a debate about whether or not to launch it goes. when you take out something that serious, that critical for over the horizon radar warning about ballistic missiles coming into your country, you don't have very long to debate and very long to decide you're going to shoot back. this was a very unwise mood. it was a stupid move, 1st gaming on the muscles that could do it. and then apparently approving the target that they chose to shoot makes no sense at all unless you're trying to get a new career started. and god forbid it anybody's trying to do that. no sense at all kind of lost up you that more from the full, the cheapest golf at the us state department. after this break. the look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. we're such orders at

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a lot of those to you guys for assuming, you know, i'm with them, us customers declassify criminal cases from the central archive of the k g, b, a better rules shed light on the atrocity. and on so numerous questions that have remained an onset for many years. watch on see the welcome back to going on the right, and i'm still here with the retired go to larry wilkerson for the cheapest off at the state department. so kind of at the end of the one you had to hear about this nuclear weapons radar system, the russian one that was targeted by ukrainian forces. so you're saying that the that targeting could only be done with nato troops in situ, in ukraine. i know that germany and france, i'll say that it's okay to attack russia with the, with the weapons,

the side. i'm not, i'm not saying that, but zalinski is not stupid. and you graham military is not steer, but at least the leadership. so why would they select that target without their permission of washington? knowing that, that target was a severe escalation of all of what it happened up to that point. when you go, it would be like when i was in the military, for example, we had just an early warning all across north america and elsewhere. it will be like someone shooting that i remember bilbury when he was sector defense telling me about an answer or something like that happened. but it happened on a computer, but the person reporting it to bill when he was sucked there to say, i just didn't know. it was like a peer didn't know. it was a computer glitch. you got a call at 3. i'm in that 3 am in the morning and he had 18 minutes to make up his mind on calling the president and advising the president to launch and attack. those are the kinds of things you just don't want to do. you don't want to go there

. you don't even want to start the process and taking out a part of their distant early warning line if you will, is a really stupid act, because we have some reports that the u. k. snapple extreme is cuz it's really through that kobe bryant is to, the, didn't want to become a one time leader. the chief of the army general magic scientist said, prepare for war with the rush or the reports. the governors telling uh, people in britain to pack a 3 days shopping of food and supplies. what is what is seriously going on here? as regards people saying the was already begun with russia directly. that's a good question. but if you look at what decisions are being made and the money is being passed about conscription i should as well. and the people are jim stocum burke, for example i, i would have fire just oldenburg a long time ago. the man thinks he's in charge of an army or something. he's not in

charge of anything except the talking shop and brussels. i'm but they, these are my cross from france. he thinks he's the latter day charles de gaulle. it couldn't hold a candle to the former general. but there is a kind of people we have a night or now to one of the reasons i said nato expansion was absurd. even though here we're talking about some people who've been and they go for some time. though the french are just reason rejoinders. well, you have to remind me, who is the nato boys when you are to states the cheapest job at the state department, but you're only in fantasy strong, but you can't say a word without the imprimatur of anthony blinking to jake sullivan. truly was he just probably true because we picked him. we thanked him and we made sure he got there just as we helped pick the car and governments in sweden, norway, fenelon, and elsewhere. been working on it for a long time. i'm not sure they at all represent. there are people who fundamentally

or still for some distance from nato and even neutrality, even with the invasion of ukraine. but we're into your near gym stolen burg, just as surely as we help the engineer of the victories are those people now per dominant in those countries, those new members of nato. but i don't sure they'll work out in georgia. you know the newspapers this week. i got the japanese financial times in that family on new york times, both that like good cool, quick one headline, georgia. keep pushing from taking a new born about the massive a support for american policy and georgia. and the japanese, after the demonstrated with georgia and people trying to demonstrate against the law, which the european union anyways, going to institute in that countries because the perceive russian threat. it's not gonna work in georgia or is it the over through color revolution? the hey knows, but i smell bill burns and the see i although bill would be

a reluctant produce a participant, i think i don't know anymore bills turned into a different person than when i knew him when he was a system sector for new years near or use an asian um it says, why do i have like really down basset to moscow? of course, before he became the present, it present headed to z. i and he's the one that he's the one that's, that's a very, very graphic and correct cable back saying yeah, means net referring to food is appreciation of what would happen if we really looked like, what are we going to make to grind a member of the data, so we just don't know what happened to, well, i think a, you know, you get so close to power and you have that additional power of being able to do almost anything. and that's the ca today, anything with a capital a. and it goes to your head, goes to your head swiftly and you have the 1st customer is the president is now known, never use a language before,

but now they use the language and you understand why intelligence, real, real intelligence, even accurate, real intelligence gets turned into policy, because the policy dictates what the intelligence can say. i had a conversation today with someone who was asking me about an article about our in our, the little state department intelligence entity. which is right about vietnam, write about a rack, write about afghanistan and so forth. they said there was an article out to that effect. was that true? and i said, well, it's true with respect to one of the 16 then agencies within the intelligence community. but they're very small, the word towns and very professional, they're all experts regionally, language wise, and so forth. but it's not the truth that they were correct in assess the article and boards, they offered alternative advice to that. in dc, i, director of central intelligence or other intelligence communities within the complex,

but they were more or less correct in the general scheme of things and all those situations. but no one listens through. my boss sector call did not listen to them on the lower the ca, to prepare him for the web w. m. d presentation with regard to a rack. in february of 2003, i asked him to let me take the assistant secretary of state for intel into the research to see i wouldn't again he for bad me to do that. at that point, i should have resigned and wish i had. but i've later figured out why he didn't want me to take him over there, because then he would have had a real x to throw at george tenet when he need to. but if the through that accident, george kennedy be drawing it to dick training and george bush and these are more through the george said that then then boss of the c i but i mean, uh, yeah, the dnc report to so i read recently as they were mentioning this program is if it's some kind of, you know, amazing,

we important call going geo politics. i wish it was as such as the d n i said in their foot notes. but um, i mean, i mentioned we were talking about the radar system. what about the quote, a city whole attack? most cocoa because of the whole attack? a, a stat have any hallmarks of any uh us proxies even tell you what it has an hallmark for me, it has a hallmark for me. um, for what i have seen on more than one occasion, which is not just the wrong contra, were really got into the papers and really bos, publicizing all most, got all reagan and peach. people don't understand how close reagan came to be. and page over on contra, but i hadn't seen it in a while until i came back in the government and then i realized it was alive and well. and that is the n s. c going operational, the national security council. statutory body designed by the congress to more or

less check the president. not do anything other than that. that is to say they didn't want anymore franklin roosevelt and so forth. so they great and this body of people with whom the president would have to consult to include his own primary cabinet members. well, the other is gonna say is gone operational. so answer your question a long way to get to the answer, but it had all the hallmarks of victoria and there was uh victoria, and the one had contacts with the as off, but i and she had contact with the other show we say less than savory. characters in ukraine and in addition, through our actions in syria, we had contact with the ice is leaders, c, i a and the us marines actually got into a firefight in missouri and almost killed one another or cause casualties until they realize what was happening. because one side was after isis and the other side was weird slices. so it had all the hallmarks of victoria new and parting shot after, you know,

she knew she was going to be fired or she knew she was going to be removed. so she goes rogue and she provides the context to ukraine with isis members and you have what you have. i don't know that that happened, but i would not be surprised if it did, which i think will shock a lot of uh, obviously russians and people around the world. i mean them, victoria victoria, and i should say, that explains why just the other day he, she replied to the show she was going to come on. she suddenly passed, coming on the show. why, why did she go by the way? because obviously you'd think someone like that career, would it be ended by the lake phone cool. over there made and cool all those years ago that but yet yeah, korea just went from strength to strength. what, how far did you go together? so fired by

a blinking state department structure. be under the joe. why while i take what i was just postulating or what i was speculating on got her fired. i think she was rogue. i think she used her position and gone rogue. she was doing things that may be general breedlove, the old boy from europe, used to ride his motorcycle down into the environs and talked to people. people realize breedlove was a gram stein for almost 3 years before he became sacked here for 4 years. and he loved to ride his bicycle all over europe. is motorbike, big, old, big, old motorbike and memory love i, i compare breedlove the curtis will, may if you're familiar with the movie, dark doctor strange law, the general in that movie is a character of curtis. so my, the man who bombed tokyo and killed more people in the fire bombing that we deal

with the 2 atomic bombs. most americans don't know anything about and the man who outside the room, when kennedy was deliberating with the executive council about cuba, in october of $62.00, said, according to 2 sources, i have talked to that man, i'll be killed because, you know, kennedy was not to go like the military auction with regard to cuba. so these are the kind of characters that get this country in trouble from time to time in victoria and new and just added her name to the lawyer as well. just finally, it looks possible that trump will be elected in november of trump, of course, who uh, as regards what you were talking about, ca cutouts. uh, you know, okay there and i said the shooting uh, syria, e as, as an agent. the guys im philharmonic, the one that come on has a fight against. uh uh i just i actually in syria, but trump did say recently ordered that he ordered it. he wouldn't have the guts to

go there and do it. and well, he didn't serve in the military. all right, but i think that was a good reason for that. i think he's kind of internet through then that'll be nice anyways. so he said he said a and some interview recently that he could maybe pause and julian massage with that, uhm without him, unless today are suffering all around the world, arguably have as he is incarcerated in that to max prison bite and won't do, i suppose what do you think about the chances of julia massage living to fight another day as he's tortured in london by british authorities? i'll put it so singly. if trump, when, pardon me? i bow for charl cadillac. you're welcome. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll condolences to the survivors. all of us u. k. u bones in palestine will be back on monday to ask the grandson of his signature to his rails. 1948 declaration of independence. whether

a genocide engagement means the end of israel until then you can keep in touch by the social media. if it's not sensitive, you'll country and had to our channel going underground tv on global dot com to let you know the episodes on going on the ground see monday, the the we're told the by the ministration won't change it. support there. is there a even in light of the recent rock, the massacre, there are no red lines,