know more about the, the mission of lake and the history of in, in the region, the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle . we are told the by the administration won't change it support for israel, even in light of the recent rock, the massacre. there are no red lines, only empty words. the international community is rallying to the palestinian cause . meanwhile, the us stands alone in isolation. the prospecting power sign, i'm joining by my guess. lionel in new york is illegal and media analysts in

seattle. we have ramsey my road. he is a palestinian author and journalist and in bay we crossed as the bunk grill lopez. he is a news this editor for the cradle are a gentleman, cross cypress, and effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate line. and let me go to you 1st here, john kirby, this spokesperson for the national security establishment for the bite administration. said he was offended by a question that included how many more char babies will it take for the bite in administration to consider his policy. he's offended, that is, that was the only thing to be offended about as we watch all this unfold. how out of touch are these people because i was offended, but he could be offended by a question that reflect like reality go ahead line or one of the many of us and the world are offended by charged babies and charged people. so we're on the same page if you think about this, you know, what's interesting, a gentleman is that this past week, it get, it occurred to me that in

a conversation, you know, anybody can win an argument. if nobody ever pushes back. if you're, if you have a debate and your team, your, your opponent just listens. nothing will ever change. that's what's happening right now. i live, i told you in the 1st bull, what we're talking about right now. i guarantee it was not known or cared about by 90 percent of the people in my country and i would say western we use the word red line, red line has been used to death. i think the administration said we do not want another 30000 on another. does that mean that short of that when i hear, when i see the politicians sighing autographing missiles like it didn't in world war 2 like a day later? you nicky, hey i, i, i'm thinking myself, i'm in a, it's me, i'm in

a parallel universe because i can't believe does anybody not realize what's happening here? there's no records. so i'm offended by a myriad of topics. yeah, around 0 and it's really quite interesting the biden's peer, when i take it costs like $360000000.00 is a, it's all broken up and it's gone to sure. here. i think it's a good metaphor for his entire policy. it's broken. it was never thought out, and it just basically based on lies and deceit. go ahead. as i've said it will be, but just one very quick thing. just commenting on what our friend land, they'll have to say. you know line. oh, i love you. and i love everything you have to say, but i have to disagree with you on this one. i don't think that there is a massive change happening even in the united states, buying energy fine. and i noticed there was a group of kids in the city of seattle where i live at the moment, who decided to do just a simple process downtown, seattle, on instagram,

and i attended it. and it was the how was it? so people restaurant owners, people, tories, them, the streets cheering briefly by this time i had been in this country for 25 years in this city for 25 years. i have never seen anything like this. so i think it's the lives of this world who are becoming isolated then expose i actually liked it when she did what she did. you know, it shows what the most though she is a human being. but a lot of americans are just pausing and on asking the question, how is this ok, how was lindsey graham? asking for a bomb to be dropped a nuclear bumped to be dropped over garza ok, so a lot of americans i think developing this, what you were talking about earlier this new consciousness. that's 3 the indicates that there is a major ship happening among ordinary americans, and i think this is gonna continue a port coming period. as for the question of pierre, from the very beginning, we said that this is an american attempt at depriving palestinians. the last line

of defense and that is dropped off. and that's exactly what happened. but luckily, even that little sham of theirs is not working. they're saying the weather broke it down. other things they said one of the ships gap size or whatever. so there is some sort of a, again, that the americans that play and by the way, until now, not a single, but it's to me and a has been fed as a result of this american project. yeah, not as the city of a $160.00 h a trucks worth of fort been taken from the the be or somewhere they disappeared. nobody knows what, how to the more we don't we, this is not going to go anywhere and it will a, maybe there were people i is rarely protesters that spoiled it and threw it away. like we've seen so many of the videos. okay. these are civilians that are given military protection to deny basic needs for the palestinian people, which is against international law. and it's in violation of the genocide convention as of the, you know, one of the, another big story that we had in the last few days is massage, was

a stocking and intimidating the former prosecutor of the i c. c. now i've never been a big fan of the i c c. but this, this stocking and threatening a judge is mafia tactics and basically, and again it's my own opinion here that we see the mafia behavior in the media, the mafia behavior in congress. we see them off the behavior of too many people in the western alliance and, and, and western europe. this is, there's a lot of mafia behavior going on here and it's being exposed. go ahead. opposite of some of these being a bit exposed by they, they are all 3 of these themselves. right? because uh, i don't want to, i echo what, uh, what, what, what we've been said so far that we are at this moment of seeing a complete clash between what it's supposed to be international love. what do you suppose to be, you know, basic human decency and whatever the, where is the, you know, whatever the us government spouts, whatever the cy on these, the institutions just bought over there. and this whole thing with the i c,

c persecution. well, you know, kind of him kind, the prosecutor said himself that on the elected western a bishop all them w h i c, c is only meant for africa and folks like booking. and i think about says that all right, we are leaving in a current the reality in which there are laws for psalm and then last for others. right there. i used to push us for some of their own institutions for others. and even with these are the spoke ridiculous thing with the, with the gas up here. right. and there's absolutely no sense in opening up something like that. a creating spending $320000000.00 when there are 7 perfectly, a good ball for writing a blog crossings. if the guy said i could allow hundreds of trucks to enter every single day, what is exactly needed, but there's another space doesn't want to see that the right they want to help ease from maintain permanent control of gas and that expense to the political persecution that the i c c judges and i'm pretty sure so on and off the i c j. now

i'll just say i going to be facing because why? because they there ask the question that easy to all of. busy our minds which these are the us and these are above international law that's. that's the question that is being asked right now. line. oh, you know, i'm a new, i still call it twitter. a new hash tag that's trending is never biden. and of course, it's because of his policy and primarily his policy on palestine within his own party, people that saying he's not doing enough. and the other thing he's doing too much. okay. i mean, what i or need in, in for someone that has been very high in the lobbies donations biden is, uh, yeah, i repeat what he's so as go ahead line. oh, yeah, i, i must go back and i say that please. dear god or whoever, i hope i'm wrong. there is a blood brain barrier that sometimes have to remember that what we think gentlemen,

are not necessarily what everybody thinks. yes, there are pockets. i don't want to belabor the point. there are pockets under the more so dare i say piers morgan. dave, though, if this means if this means anything, you don't like it will be j supposedly said, you know, when you bloss piers morgan, you boss middle america. but, but there is something and i came across this on the x or twitter and i'm with you peter. i even still use album, so that's my particular frame of reference, but there are pictures that are when you talking about incinerated babies. they show them and if i could somehow make, if i could somehow whatever this, this barriers to let the american people know what we're talking about. if they saw this, like they did during the period in vietnam, when they said, do you mean that what's been going on? it would change everything, because there is a strangle hold on information right now more than ever. and they are hoping beyond

hope that people do not see the reality of there's a one more thing, isn't an interesting talk about contradictions. we want it international court if it applied to vote, but out of been applied to us. and then we say the incredible technological facility of israel, however, how many times if they said oaks my bed made a mistake. sorry, yeah. jose address, sorry warriors. how the for, you know, the fog of war, what you're going to be, and then people often times just not and say, well, whatever, as they move on to the next story, i hope that's gonna be doing a well remedy. they mean if you look at the agenda side conventions, yeah. biden blank and sullivan all the rest of them there, there toadies in europe. they, they are comfortable under the same convention. and i think the beginning to realize that because the, again, i'm not a big booster of the i c. c, but the icpc is moving. we have the international criminal court. this that's also preceding,

this is serious business. and i think people in the west leaders in the west were beginning to realize that they could get caught up into this web ramsey that i think i think what the katy and sign has done to everyone by surprise honestly. because i mean, 54 people were indicted by or arrest warrants were issued for 54 people worldwide says that the court has started. 40 of them are africans, the vast majority of them are from the global self. so this is, of course, this is, this is why they were taken by surprise. that said the i c. c should have moved much earlier considering the public that that decision that was created, cutting and cutting knows exactly what's happening because i, he came to the bottom. oh, there used to he's. so what's going on and the other side, he knows exactly what's happened. it's belated, but it's better late than never. but the question is, is, are the america's actually complicit, or are they directly involved from the very beginning. i've made the,

the argument that the americans are directly involved. you can't give this much money. that's right. you cannot sustain this war from the very start and just the polite provide every political, every legal, every moral justification is way up to do what's doing and know you are present in gaza. the delta force has been in and out of gauze at the p are means that the americas are in garza, the or we didn't. then it's a room area which is controlled by as well. in garza, the americans read rather the whole overhead to get you hold that thought, my friend, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the take a fresh look around. there's a life kaleidoscopic, isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions.

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haiti were the only successful uprising of slaves in history when they not only through of slavery, but also began to rule their state was already those oh, why it was can be started by lawrence please 10. the satisfied for the importance of wiki links can never be kind of a station. so that transparency is extraordinary. john mystic, patrice, they just succeeded in finding documents that existed in making them available to the world public. i mean, what could be more holding back by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest. lies tends to me uh in dalton and honestly

to relate to seriously, i know why advice may know who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely wants adjustments for him to be on box weighing a 174. he used to go through the sentence all week going to let that stay at the local next across stock. were all things are considered on peter level to and you were discussing palestine. the this is go back to us about in bay road. you know, this one phrase gives me hope and it, it gives me a sense of dread at the same time, minutes the 2 state solution which, you know, that's the, the fallback position that everyone talks about in mainstream western media,

corporate media here. but of course we know that the current prime minister of israel and nothing yeah. who has been a in friday, the israel will never support that biden's minions come out and say that is the goal and all that and, and it doesn't take a whole lot to see. well, what kind of a farce are we going through here? if the administration that is funding and giving diplomatic support for this genocide isn't it, can't get its way then, then what is the then the, what kind of legal protections that do the binding ministration have when pursuing his policies? because obviously it's not going to work if it's partner is willing to do this, go ahead and be with as well. exactly. you know, each felt themselves. so being the 1st to say we will never approve about 2 state solution because 1st of all, the 2 state solution would have to include that with back and delta 5 was bank of 10 is yours, the name of the policy and copy though, let's not forget that the us in 2020, i believe, recognize these recently mosley's right and copied also they would have to back

track on that. and then all of us on the road would have to clear out all of these hundreds of westbank settlements that are just talking about like stream is similar groups that are used to just, uh, you know, burn down probably steaming on villages up a issue. the policy and yes, kill them with complete impunity. it's all 1st of all the starting over there. that's simply not going to happen. you know, it's a, it's a, it's a pipe dream and these are ridiculous and it statement that it keeps being repeated by european leaders by the u. s. i see if it's something that would actually resolve the problem in private, keep talking about over the form of a cd and authority. what does that even mean and how come to publish the end of the all righty. which palestinians themselves do not trust the not, the not considered to have any legitimacy. how can they be that was needing, leading any palestinian government writing needs to be an actual need, their one, they want it there to be a probably stay, you know, state, it needs to be 1st of all independent and it needs to be led by all probably spinning is not just by the ones that are willing to work alongside israel,

so that simply not, not they, they the way out of these the way out of these use for israel to, to, for these reading the, for the scientists project to be on the or these to be on don for probably his time to read, to regain all of these very sorry. and then you know, all of these really serious escal wants to remain there to remain there. right. uh, they will have all of the productions moving along side. we just say add s the boxes, esteban, there's even a simpler solution they can apply for palestinian citizenship. okay. and that, that's one way also to do that. okay. i don't understand why i owe for 75 years. it's a big the accepted bid. palestinians must become zine as well. white. why can some jews become palestinian citizens? okay. it works both ways. ok. your line. oh is it as we go towards the election here? and i already talked about the never bite and movement. it's very interesting. i mean, i, i agree with you. there's like, it's a, this whole story is

a control controlled. i burn, sorry for the metaphor here about how americans are supposed to consume this, but fewer and few people watch cable tv. i don't watch it anymore. it's a waste of time, okay. there's so many other good sources of information out there. and you brought up peers, morgan for your peers. market just shows the farce of this duplicity. he does it for us. okay? because he's not very smart and he just looks at headlines and he throws in. well, he's not okay. i mean it's a tabloid guy. that's what he is. all right. but he brings on some pretty interesting people and they just showed back into his face. he really doesn't know what to do about it. go ahead, vinyl. well, a couple of things here, hearkening back a gentleman to 911. there's one thing i've learned, then i can only speak about the fish ball. we don't want to hear a lot of specifics about names and who is it is a ppo a but that was in the authority or her minds and the guys already, we don't wanna hear about this. give her something like terrorism. i'll kind of,

that's it. that will do it. now we just say how much and what somebody will say is we don't care, we're home us is. now what does that mean? that means that if we, if there is one hint if, if, if 2 hamas leaders are perhaps kept saying in a 10 somewhere where ever they are, wherever they are, that gives us carte blanche to eliminate them. now that which sounds spacious, but to most people, you mentioned that kaylee. okay, that sounds good enough because we have to on do this as though it is a place as though what it just seemed as though there was a headquarters with uniforms and chevrons in a general and a leader. somebody said, what time, years ago the fighting terrorism is like trying to catch smoke with your hands. sounds great, but as long as these terms are used and as long as i'm sorry, but as long as the wrong people don't understand that there are human beings involved in this. this will continue, but i've never felt more hopeful than i do right now. they have to say to me or the

rep, totally right. let me, let me go to ramsey right now. they can use all of the labels they want, but when you see a disfigure child, a chart, baby, all those labels go out the window because any decent human being is horrified by. and what makes it more horrible is it, it can be stopped. okay. it can be stopped. go ahead and say, ramsey. and i think it's there is we are the custom of a historic moment. not only because of the change that is happening regarding the perception of palestine, not because of the way that even all the people now st. palestinians have the right to resist and do to defend themselves. i've never thought that that moment was even possible in my lifetime. but something else is also happening. we are challenging mainstream media. it's used to be something that we did a theory. we used to talk about it as an academic possibility. but now mainstream media is being side line in favor of

a different type of media with the social media independent media. people are communicating in the streets, sending emails and news this them every other way. we have actually managed to change that little bit of consciousness around pad is by using a completely different medium of communication. aside from that very tightly controlled mainstream corporate media. and i don't think that they would be able to reverse this because as a whole, different upper right. this has been at work for years and years and years. and i think is gonna pay off. it's in fact it is already paying on in, in regarding because that policy, i think it's only going to accelerate. okay. because in the, this whole of the, the genocide is actually just another issue that so many people feel marginalized with because of neo liberalism. and this is given the younger generation, something they need to break the shackles. i mean, they lie about this, then they probably are lying about just about everything else,

which of course they are as about inmate route. as we all know that spain norway, in ireland recently recognized palace, palestine as a state, oh oh, little late, you know, and, but met better late than never. i mean a 140 other countries that were ahead of them. but of course this, these, these are american satellites, so this is an important to, but the, the is really president cods turned around and basically said these are anti semitic countries. how does that work anymore? i ask this question. often these programs being accused of anti semitism. yeah, that's a pretty nasty thing to be accused, but of course it is bandied about without any real meaning it's just a, a slower go ahead. it's 100 percent, you know, use that without any meaning at this point. but suddenly we, you're seeing that even now in the, in you as always, being and try and, and they sent me a decent is also pre existing will be used for right now. you cannot read this idea, no, because all of a sudden you're, you're on by send me right here because it really sites a us government, all your life. but you guys, don't there be criticizing. these are all and i think this is really, you know,

like i, we, we are reaching a point, the history that are, there is no turn around. there is no way back. there is no voting virginia back into bottles right anymore. try to in the, i think uh, you know, a went in the salt thanks to the fact that we are currently connected all the time . right. um, we are seeing a lot of these massacres. we're seeing like these attacks on our phones. we do not need cnn, we don't update fox news. we will not be any news network to tell us what is happening. we can see it or sales. and i think that has been big game changer ride the democratic sation of information. and of course, there's always gonna be that they have to silence it like a calling. anyone would there's great size, ease route and then by semis. but that seemed to doesn't have to wait. it does a used to have anymore. i would imagine in the west maybe i'd be more right. uh if people who, who is employers may, may be willing to fire someone for being a non bi, same i. but other than that is just, you know, and the thought that these buying these empty rhetoric and these suddenly even the jewish population out there, you go with that he's realizing that the western governments are using their jewish,

their joyousness, or rather of the fact that they're chose to justify change the site for just the fire war machine to justify the mass murder of children. and of course they don't want that. why would you want that? what would you want that your identity to be types of genocide, you know, line or you know, you over the years you and i have made lights of the younger generation with some of their attitudes and, and lifestyles, etc, etc. but i, i, i were a very god said this younger generation of folks and you know, and thank goodness for young american jews they, they, they were showing the sight of judaism, that is real and not designed as crime that they want design is want to wrap them all into a under one umbrella with and they're telling us that is not true. and i think that is a huge change for congress as an american jews have set up for the right thing. and i'm very proud of them. go headlines. you know,

i do remember awhile back what everybody mentioned salo lensky, all of a sudden, over 90, was like, that's a typical salo lensky movie. go for the how would follow lensky? well, anyway, he became the, the, the patriarch of, of all things left as well. i wouldn't be the salo lensky, and here's my number one rule. if you are an anti semite, if you are a racist pray, as much as you can said, they use the word racism and anti semitism to the point where it gets such metallurgy that it becomes meaningless. then you can move in as like reducing resistance to bacteria with anybody out of the word means nothing. so if there ever is true anti semitism, if there is a racism, nobody there can see, oh are you doing that again? because no, no this, i mean at this time is cry wolf. lastly, did you notice how harvard university for the 1st time this week said we're not going to be involved in any kind of matters of concern? so watch it in your friends when you watch. yes, we figured

a way around as we here bye. are going to pull back and not be involved because you've got donors, you've got students and the students aren't budging at all. they are, they're having diplomas. and and, and um, i guess, uh, the problem is withheld. a risk of such, so young people, i'm with you peter. this is the spirit of that 6 these. they love it, and the more you push against them, the more they fight back, which makes me, yeah, but you know, but why don't we, you know, it's really interesting is that this is a moral cons. okay. we're not talking about artichokes or inflation. we're talking about what, because when i watch all this i'm, i'm losing my own humanity in this program i have here across stock is a way for me to say it's not we, it's all look at this and with honestly and not lose our heart humanity and i think that's what's most important gentleman so much to discuss, but so little time i want to thank my guests in new york, seattle, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our

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