in, in captivity in the gaza strip. now gloomy estimates are that's at least a full 2 of them now, dead by didn't made it clear. and that's the ra, some nuances that the sides have to discuss. the tenant is not going to be easy. he said, that's the last agent then called tar, committed to make sure talks keep going. for as long as needed. you're in phase to israel will withdrawal all its forces from the palace student enclave. so the phase is a postwar reconstruction of guys. i'm and the return of the bodies of dead hostages by this trust that this is and is rarely proposal approved by the war cabinet. they towards already handed to katara. that plays a role of the mediator here in a statement issued immediately off to view as president's speech is rarely prom. and as far as office confirmed that this plan works for each route, these really government is united in the desire to return our hostages. as soon as possible and is working to achieve this goal. therefore,

the prime minister has authorized the negotiating team present and outline for achieving this goal, while insisting that the war will not end until all of its goals are achieved, including the return of all our hostages and the destruction of how mazda is military and governmental capabilities the exact outline proposed by israel, including the conditional transition from stage to stage, allows israel to maintain these principles, joe biden emphasize that headspace point in time. us no longer is capable of carrying out another october 7th. so it is time he said, to end this war, american president also specifically addressed those and is really government who are calling for the war to continue. and for israel's, we occupation of guys i'm urging them to fax this proposal. but he believes is, and israel's interest, as well as open out the back of the top of the the

sooner they welcome back to going underground boat crossing all around the world from the u. a where president shakela home had been zaya, and was with chinese presents huge and big, and badging this week, both like the international community condemn. israel is invasion of roughly enabled by the usa, u. k. and the u. nation's. today voters and fellow bricks member and biggest democracy in the world. india will decide who they want as prime minister in the final stage. i mean, it's 18th general election. i know pac plus meat in vienna to defy us schools to increase energy output. it's also the anniversary of the 1982 signing of a landmark. i n f nuclear weapons treaty between the usa and russia. torn up by the old trump capitalizing a world today where israel, nato and russia. now named check the foreseeable use of nuclear weapons, whether it be in gaza or ukraine. joining me from falls church in virginia,

in the usa is a former us army officer, if that is kind of lawrence wilkerson, the teacher stopped by the state department. would you like any blankets up? he adds an unconditional supporter of israel. thank you so much kind of air coming back on money and beheaded babies in rough or multiple eros, whom is worth of t and t equivalent on garza. and today the end of us here, the now ended i in f new 3 a treaty. how new is the world to new to use? now of senior senator lindsey graham told me about israel and nuclear weapons just the other day. congressman said the gaza should be new it's interesting that you bring up the are in yesterday. it was colin pals greatest. he thought achievement with president reagan when he was national security advisor and deputy. and he said it was the most important new to our weapons. true, you all, because those weapons were the most dangerous of all. and now we've destroyed the starting with george bush and the abm treaty,

which was an on bridal stupid on wise act, abrogate the treaty. and he did it essentially because the new conservatives and his government wanted him to. so that one, they can make money off the enormously expensive apparatus associated with the m d . but also because they hated the world as they do every body other than us. and wanted to make sure that in the future they could defend themselves against a new car strike contemplating that they would launch that strike. so that's, that's how dangerous. so eliminating the have 30 was and bro, the others into it. and i don't want to leave out the conventional forces in europe treating you may have seen the recently former police law general harrell co, john, and gave a disposition on our own presentation. a brilliant presentation era died sliding. alexander the great clowes with number of other people,

but it is described how stupid, how unwise, our strategy is today, and what we're doing in your grain and gaza and elsewhere. i don't know where this country is going, but i do know it's not any positive place anytime soon. i mean, just on the massacre in rough uh, the pictures of which uh, being beamed around the global south. if they end up being broadcast on what's being called us more often than not, nature propaganda, media that you have in the us and in native nations. when national security advisor jake sullivan, biden's advisor said, as he said, uh as regards uh why the us is sending weapons to israel committing genocide according to most people around the world. he said, what we're going to be looking at is whether there is a lot of death and destruction from this operation. as regards the may, the 15th,

the, another $1000000000.00 of us public money sent in at yahoo. does he facilitate this holocaust in rafa? of course, he did, everyone who's completed a, as facilitated from president joseph biden, down to the lowest member of the united states government, who now has not walked out and resigned. didn't shame and anger over the policy um, goes back up just for a minute. if you look at what is happening in the i, c, j, m, the i c c. we're seeing the 1st display of more or less balanced international justice. in the past the i c. c, basically a captive of the non signatory power of the united states. only would i have to black people in africa and then when the balkans are up to date, when after their 1st white, people run it by the garage, it can sold it on milosevic. but still going after people that the c i, a and the united states declared their enemies. now suddenly they've grown up. now

suddenly they've got a pair of components. now suddenly they are actually doing an international justice and look at what the great bastion of international justice here to for has said about that. we haven't even had congress members who would call the family and members of the i, c. c. and threatened them. this is not the way a hedge a month or decent country or a country interested in its reputation and future acts as a way of country acts that is lost and building the rest of the world like the brakes, for example, into a balancing entity to take care of it and mark my words that will happen. so you'd see that as the mosque being off because a lot of people say the international vocation chord. as you anticipate, gave them another month, the israelis to continue committing genocide,

then we're even had that they equated resistance to occupation with the response to october. the 7th that arguable continual violations of un security council resolutions in westbank, in jerusalem. the continued right now, but there was a student move in my view. um, jurisprudence is jurisprudence, but you have to live in the world. and it was a very balanced decision to take to 3 principal leaders of a mosque and uh, you know, go on to and maybe 19 you on the other side audits or on some other people in there . others are on man give here and there for sure blood thirsty sell up that he is. the menu here would kill every palestinian man, woman and child in a heart beat. if you had the apparatus and the method to do it. so how to thrown him in there just to make it a little more balance, 3 to 3, if you will. but the court has to live in the world, and i think it's a good to say, yeah, well, it has to stop the killing. and of course, there have been reports that there were threats to the judges before they were

making their deliberations. but you mentioned been give you, you know, these really labor a potty chief said that to give you here and then yahoo, where uh, collaborate is in the killing of ravine. and israel, do you think, what do you think that and yeah, well, maybe you can tell me, uh, cause of course they denied about that and people don't watch the video. watch the video that they use, riley filmmakers put together and of course that we squashed as it was as soon as it's across the ocean. and we're shown in this country. but it's a brilliantly put together video because about 2 thirds of the video, the documentary is actual footage, including the actual footage of the assassination. and from that video made by jewish filmmakers mind you and is real. that video shows how nothing, you know, stirred up the crowds got the crowds to be violent, and a boy is and knew exactly what he was doing. knew what would happen,

probably even knew the group from which the assassin would call that of course, after the assassination. some years later, a resurrected him and made him a hero in the side or community. so baby was responsible for the assassination of youth. zach were being as we, the united states of america are now responsible for the genocide and gaza as well . and that kind of thing was known by us intelligence services. it was known in the state to us when you are chief of stuff, you bet. well, them right now, you know, and that for years, do you think blinking realizes that netanyahu could be assassinated at any moment? that would be, you know, people ask me that question. mother said, you don't understand the right versus the middle and the well. my father used to put it this way. the left in the middle, bankruptcy of the ride will kill you. the left in the middle have no, no, no desire, no desire, no, no inclination to go out and feed people or to blow people up or whatever, but the right does the right or not sees the right or trotsky is the right or

linens. i'm sorry, they are people who want to kill to achieve their purposes. and so that's the people to be scared of imagining hours they've been give years and so forth. the damage can be done in other ways. as my father used to say, the level bankruptcy. but they won't kill you, it's right, they will kill you. so here's the world of. okay. but since we last spoke, of course, the president of iran has died in a helicopter accident. what were your 1st thoughts about that? i sort of the, the nature of propaganda media talking about how unpopular he was and there's going to be regime change and tire on and then suited we not sure the millions on the streets of iran right across the country. morning him, what was your 1st thoughts when you had raised the a died in the helicopter accident so soon after this calibrated response to the us of them wellbeing of the,

to the these are in the bombing of the consumers in damascus as well. that one, right, right. easy is doing other than approving it. that was a very sophisticated group within. they are out there on revolutionary guard. the did the um, my 1st reaction was i want to see what happened. it was towards the some film. i got my wish and i'm a helicopter pilot over 3000 hours 1000 plus of them in vietnam in combat. and i saw the conditions under which the helicopter went down in those conditions were the kind that, for example, destroyed a lot of high and these, that the russians flu, enough kind of stuff. because you get in the weather situations that are so desperate with a heavily loaded helicopter not space. and iranian helicopters aren't very well maintained because we have sanctioned the be jesus out of the aircraft repair parts re games. so they can't get anything. so i knew they said it was an old bell helicopter for which they can't get pods from their 3rd parties very easily. i

should say, i've lived in iran for quite a while. yeah, but it's, it's tough. it's really tough. so i've, i've seen some of the aircraft, i wouldn't lie in the. okay, so you're obviously leaning on this side of accident even though, as you said, just before you, you know what the other side is capable of. yeah, i do. but there are some things that just aren't conspiracies, and he just come out of the damn celebration as i understand it, and that sort of job where they were celebrating the joint potential for the joint construction. another very important down there and the weather was just absolutely abominable. why i would not have phone had i been the pilot now could by being whose clearly suffering with his base head of november's election divert attention from god as to what is happening in europe. because that the mass will that conflict, the proxy war has disappeared a little from the headlines of native nation at media. what do you make of this

seeming debate about whether the us you'd like britain allow weaponry to target russia within russia to a stupid debate? it's a long while, as the bait is a cruel abated sabrina with a bag, it makes no sense whatsoever. let's just take, for example, the reason shot it brushes early warning system for ballistic missile shot from the united states of russia. that is the worst possible thing you can do with regard to their strategic warning system. so had it been the situation that existed a couple of times in my experience with ours inside the military, there would have been a, a debate about whether or not to launch. because when you take out something that serious, that critical for over the horizon radar warning about ballistic missiles coming into your country, you don't have very long to debate and very long to decide you're going to shoot

back. this was a very unwise mood. it was a stupid move 1st, giving the missiles like a do it. and then apparently approving the target that they chose to shoot makes no sense at all unless you're trying to get a new career started. and god forbid that anybody's trying to do that. no sense at all, kind of lot of stuff to you that more from the format cheapest off of the us state department after this break. the, when the world's largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the

welcome back to going under granite. i'm still here with retired. go to larry wilkerson former chief of scott of at the state department. so kind of at the end of part one, you had to hear about this nuclear weapons radar system, the russian one that was targeted by ukrainian forces. so you're saying that the that targeting could only be done with nato troops in situ, in ukraine. i know the germany and france, i'll say that it's okay to attack russia with the, with the weapons. but i'm not, i'm not saying that, but zaleski is not stupid. and the ukraine military is not stupid, at least the leadership. so why would they select that target without their permission of washington? knowing that, that target was a severe escalation of all of what it happened up to that point. when you go to,

it would be like when i was in the military, for example, we had just an early warning all across north america and elsewhere. it would be like someone shooting that i remember bilbury when he was sector defense telling me about an answer or something like that happened. but it happened on a computer, but the person reporting it to bill when he was sector to say, i just didn't know it was the peer didn't know it was a computer glitch. you got a call at 3 am in the 3 am in the morning and he had 18 minutes to make up his mind on calling the president and advising the president to launch and attack. those are the kinds of things you just don't want to do. you don't want to go there, you don't even want to start the process and taking out a part of their distant early warning line if you will, is a really stupid act. because we have some reports that the u. k. snap election was because it's originally so that could be a prime minister. there didn't want to become a what do they believe that the u. k. chief of the army general patrick sanders

said, prepare for war with russia. the reports, the governors telling the people in britain to pack a 3 days shopping of food and supplies. what is, what is seriously going on here as regards people saying the was already begun with russia directly. that's a good question. but if you look at the decisions are being made and the money is being passed about conscription i should as well. and the people are jim stocum or for example i, i would have fire gen stalled and burned a long time ago. the man thinks he's in charge of an army or something. he's not in charge of anything except the talking shop and brussels. i'm but they, these are my cross from france. he thinks he's the latter day charles de gaulle. it couldn't hold a candle to the former general, but there is a kind of people we have a night or now to one of the reasons i said nato expansion was absurd. even though here we're talking about some people who've been and they, though, for some time,

though the french are just reason rejoinders. well, you have to remind me, who is the nato boys when you are at the states, the cheapest job at the state department, but you're only in fantasy so on. but you can't say a word without the imprimatur of had to be blinking to jake sullivan. truly was he just probably true because we picked him. we thanked him and we made sure he got there just as we helped pick the car and governments in sweden, norway, fenelon, and elsewhere. been working on it for a long time. i'm not sure they at all represent. there are people who fundamentally or still for some distance from nato and even neutrality, even with the invasion of ukraine. but we enter near the gym stolen burg, just as surely as we help the engineer of the victories are those people now predominant in those countries, those new members of nato. but i don't sure they'll work out in georgia. you know

the newspapers this week i got the japanese financial times in that family on new york times. both that like good core quick one headline, georgia. keep pushing from taking a new, born about the massive support for american policy and georgia and the japanese after the demonstrated with georgia and people trying to demonstrate against the law which the european union anyways. uh, going to institute in that countries because the perceived russian threat it's all gonna work in georgia or is it the over through color revolution? hey, knows, but i smell bill burns and this a, although bill would be a relief, can produce a participant. i think. i don't know anymore bills turned into a different person than when i knew him when he was a system sector for new years near or use an asian. um, it says, why do i have like around boston moscow? of course, before he became the present, it present headed to see i and he's the one that he's the one that's that's a very,

very graphic and correct cable back saying yeah, means net referring to is appreciation of what would happen if we really looked like what are we going to make to grind a member of nato? so we just don't know what happened to? well, i think a, you know, you get so close to power and you have that additional power of being able to do almost anything. and that's the ca today, anything with a capital a and it goes to your head goes to your head swiftly and you have the 1st customer is the president is now known. never use a language before, but now they use that language. and you understand why intelligence, real, real intelligence, even accurate, real intelligence gets turned into policy because the policy dictates what the intelligence can say. i had a conversation today with someone who was asking me about an article about our in our, the little state department intelligence entity,

which is right about vietnam. write about a rack, write about afghanistan and so forth. they said there was an article out to that effect. was that true? and i said, well, it's true with respect to one of the 16 then agencies within the intelligence community. but they're very small, the road towns and very professional, they're all experts regionally, language wise, and so forth. but it's not the truth that they were correct in the status of the article and boards. they offered alternative advice to then d. c. i, director of central intelligence or other intelligence communities within the complex, but they were more or less correct in the general scheme of things and all those situations. but no one listens through. my boss sector call did not listen to the lower the ca, preparing for the web w. m. d presentation. with regard to a rack. in february of 2003, i asked him to let me take the assistant secretary of state for intel into the

research to see i wouldn't again he for bad me to do that. at that point, i should've resigned and wish i had. but i've later figured out why you didn't mind me and take him over there, because then he would have had a real x to throw at george tenet when he need to. but if the through that asked at george 10 or they'd be drawing it to dick training and george bush and these are more do that. george said that and then boss of the c i but i mean, uh, yeah, the dna reports a. so we recently, as they were mentioning this program is if it's some kind of, you know, amazing, we important called and joe politics. i wish it were as such as the d n i said in their put notes. but um, i mean, i mentioned we were talking about the radar system. what about the quote, a city whole attack most go? coca city, all the tech it does that have any hallmarks of any uh us proxies even tell you what it has an hallmark for me. it has a hallmark for me um,

for what i have seen on more than one occasion, which is not just the wrong contra were really got into the papers and really bos, publicizing all most got all reagan and pj, people don't understand how close reagan came to the page over on contra, but i hadn't seen it in a while until i came back in the government and then i realized it was alive and well. and that is the n s. c going operational, the national security council. statutory body design by the congress to more or less check the browse of the not do anything other than that is to say they didn't want anymore. franklin roosevelt and so forth. so they great and this body of people with whom the president would have to consult to include his own primary cabinet members. well, the other is gonna say, is golf erased? also answer your question a long way to get to the answer, but it had all the hallmarks of victoria,

no one victoria and one had contacts with the as off, but i and she had contact with the other show we say less than savory characters in ukraine and in addition, through our actions in syria, we had contact with isis leaders, c i, a, and the us marines actually got into a firefight in syria and almost kill one another or cause casualties until they realize what was happening. because one side was after isis and the other side was weird licensed. so it had all the hallmarks of, of victoria new and parting shot after, you know, she knew she was going to be fired or she knew she was going to be removed. and she goes rogue and she provides the context to ukraine with isis members. and you have what you have. i don't know that that happened, but i would not be surprised if it did, which i think will shock a lot of uh,

obviously russians and people around the world. i mean them, victoria, victoria, new than the i should say. that explains why just the other day you see a reply to this show that she was going to come on. she suddenly passed, coming on the show. why, why did she go by the way? because obviously you'd think someone like that career, would it be ended by the lake phone cool. over there made and cool all those years ago. the but yet yeah. korea just went from strength to strength. what, how far did you go to get us all fired by a blinking state department structure? be under the joe. why. why take what i was just postulating or what i was speculating on. got her fired. i think she was rogue. i think she used her position and go on rogue. she was doing things that may be general breedlove, the old boy from europe,

who used to ride his motorcycle down into the environs and talked to people. people don't realize breedlove was a grand style and for almost 3 years before he became sac here for 4 years. and he loved to ride his bicycle all over europe, his motorbike, big old, big, old motorbike, and memory love i, i compare, breed, loved the curtis will may, if you're familiar with the movie. dark doctor strange law. the general in that movie is a character of curtis. so my, the man who bombed tokyo and killed more people in the fire bombing that we deal with the 2 atomic bombs. most americans don't know anything about and the man who outside the room, when kennedy was deliberating with the executive council about cuba, in october of 62, said, according to 2 sources, i have talked to that man all to be killed because he knew kennedy was not to go

like the military auction with regard to cuba. these are the kind of characters that get this country in trouble from time to time in victoria a new and just added her name to little is to. well, just finally, it looks possible that trump will be elected in november of trump, of course, who uh, as regards what you were talking about, ca, cutouts. uh, you know, okay there, and i said dashing uh, syria e as, as an aged uh, got some silly money. the one that come on this was a fight against. uh, uh, issac dia, she's in syria, but trump did say recently ordered it. he ordered it, he wouldn't have the guts to go there and do it. and well, he didn't serve in the military. all right. but i think that was a good reason for that. i think he's kind of internet through then that'll be nice even though he said he said a. and so i'm interview recently that he could maybe pause and julian massage with that, uhm without him, john list today are suffering all around the world,

arguably have as he is incarcerated, and that's who makes prison by them won't do i suppose. what do you think about the chances of julia massage living to fight another day as he's tortured in london by british authorities? i'll put it so singly. if trump wouldn't pardon me, i bowed for charl kinda larry wilkerson. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show of condolences to the survivors. all of us u. k. u bombs in palestine will be back on monday to ask the grandson of his signature to his rails. 1948 declaration of independence, whether genocide in god's that means the end of israel. until then you can give a judge. why will i social media? give me a lot sense if you will, country and i to a channel going under warranty. the, on the com to let you know the episodes on going underground see monday, the

12th guys engaging lots of boxes as direct participants in the call. and they've been flight in green lights. the use of nature weapons to strike deep within flushing. thirdly, overhead. if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone. and we have president and a group of fascist. i don't want to do anything about it. tom. tom says his political arrival goes by the 21st for him to be convicted just months before the president or other countries crazy. you know, bad at all. we're also looking at us saying, what's going on over there in america, the greatest country in the world, the.