in the region, the hello and welcome across that bullhorn time peter lavelle here we discussed some real news of the escalation, louder nato inches closer to war with russia and a desperate attempt to salvage its failing ukraine. project also will be american people, a left, a convicted felon president. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's the pod counselor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and americans. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator. gentleman cross up role is in effect that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. it's kicked us off with george in budapest. you know, george, we've heard we have this mean, what record regarding the ukraine it's been persistent over the last few months,

is that you claim is on its last legs. we keep hearing that and, but we also see nato escalating. the problem is here is this escalation is not directed and i'm talking about where it's coming from, the, the british, the french, the germans, etc, particularly the americans. and this is not really to salvage their ukraine project . that is to inflate the strategic failure. defeat on russia, there are 2 different things here. we have this escalation, this the destruction of these early warning radars that has nothing to do with the battlefield in ukraine. this is a challenge, a nato direct nato challenge to rush. and these are 2 things. different things going on simultaneously, your thoughts? well, you're right the, the, but again, a sense of this was already baked in to the, um, the reasons why russia and launch the special military operation in the ukraine.

any of the problems. so russia was not your brain by itself because it goes to your brain by itself, does not pose any real strategic threat to russia is as much smaller, you know, much more limited in adverse also. so it's ukraine in nature, ukraine as a battering ram one day. so that's what, supposedly a problem for russia. and that's really becoming ever more explicit now. and so we now go step by step 2, was this uh, direct involvement by the nato powers inside russia. and, and we can see that each time they make this step, it's always literally is they provision saying, well, you know, there's going to be a very, very limited, don't worry about anything. so, you know, we, the, we will provide them with weapons, but it has to be only in ukraine in cetera, trip, or if you can attack territory like crime. yeah. but not russia proper. so the of the now now there's okay, you can attack rusher property,

but it has to be somewhere close to the higher co region. so at each step they go along and of course as soon as they said, oh, it has to be limited in through the, in the near to the heart, the region on comes the land scan, all his champions in washington. any late that was a oh, that's not enough. it has to be unrestricted. then because most of america's pop, as i said, yeah we, we put no restrictions at all and anything that we have provided. so that's the next step, is that, well, that's live that respects it. so it's beverly, as you said, the inch by inch is becoming a direct rule between nato and russia. well, you know, martin, i, you know, and i look at this in a very simple way. i mean, is it, what is the difference in heating inside of brushes, the territory or close to caught of what is the difference in hitting, you know, most got it's russian soil. there is no difference here. okay. i don't understand why they think that there says there's an invidious difference there isn't here. what's really interesting to me me is that the nato thinks they can do this risk

free, which is very, very dangerous. because the entire theory and practice of deterrence, nuclear deterrence here, is being rapidly degraded. martin? yeah, the risk freezing is very, very worried when you hear people like david cameron, who is off by telling us, well, what happens i'm off. so we strike into or into the russia, into the, into the real russian territory. you know, and his response was nate and russian just have to put another ukraine. that's really the only solution to the fact that this bigoted view of this, this is incredibly blink of, you know, so there are no other options for russia. and the west has the up behind is really dangerous and really stupid. and now we're beginning to see, you know, how close now we are edging towards the abyss. we keep talking about this on the show. you know how it plays. we're going into world war 3 scenario. we've talked about it largely as a see a rascal subject. i think perhaps at some point it's gonna be beyond that because

you say there's no difference between um the russian side of the border and in ukraine, i think there is be. so i really do think there is, i think, i think for the russian people's or is i think for boots in there is um, how much further can we continue with storm shot as being flight by british soldiers? no, i think we're agreeing with each other here on this made me cause the hitting russian. so i or sitting russian say, oh, you know, if it's near the border, you know, there's somehow different. it's not different. it's the same thing. and george, what's important here this, this is nato, a weaponry, largely controlled by the nato personnel, if there are soldiers or contractors. and very importantly, it's the, the satellite, the assistance that these weapons means. those are definitely nato, probably american, almost exclusively. this is russia versus nato, nato versus russia, and they get acquainted suddenly out of the equation here. that's exactly right these and these got as

a long range of missile attacks inside russia. and even at long range drone attacks, they could only succeed if they had guided by satellite systems. there's no way you can just simply low by a drone and but, and magically it hits a target close to the cause ext um, bought to this, that requires satellite guidance. the only way that you can get satellite guidance is through nato and the united states. so obviously, the nato bows, people in the united states, already involved in firing drugs and midsize on behalf of the ukraine's safety does get keep in mind. the united states has not said that you create a channel. fire misses be on this limits that we're talking about. always has to be somebody close to the board or they have not said that. they've just simply said that. um, well, you know, we,

we would prefer it if you would limited the block. we don't take part in any detail uh, military planning. it's up to ukraine to decide how is going to defend itself on the new grant is right, that depends a we, we don't tell you frame what to do so. so in fact, that, that's just simply a media hype to say, well, we'll get to the door very, very limited, very well. it's not only about the limits, it much timely, false, it's a lie. okay. i mean the, the level of encryption that need be, you need to understand, read to guide these drones and missiles that is highly secret. they're not passing that onto the ukrainians. ukrainians are being given that information. maybe they hit a button, but it's already preprogrammed the algorithm is there, martin? it's patently obvious something the george and i, and i think you were all at the time. we discussed that it's, it's only a matter of time before article 5 of the nato treaty as being tested now. it could go in many, many different directions here. it's, there's

a gross mis reading of what it means that it's not automatic coming. member countries can decide if they want to participate in it. it's not, you know, if somebody flips a flip, the switch here, but it will test the, the membership of nato. but i think this is an amazingly reckless because once you know the 1st bullet aspired more, is very unpredictable. go ahead and mark, you know, that's the problem. you know, it only takes one, but i only say it's one mic miscalculated decision on the west, on a one day of bombing, those radar installations was really a mistake. i really do wonder whether we received that the company martin chart. that is the biggest thing that has happened in this conflict, and it's not giving the coverage that is really necessary when i came across that george and i talked about it separately. i was horrified, but i still am horrified by martin. and you know, when, when such things happen, you have to wonder how we going over how we post the article 5 of the debate. now, you know, we are, we'd be on that now. i mean, all,

as some people say the british and he said, i'll just say no, we all know it was russia. you know, we, on the following rock is that russian civilians and soldiers. the question is, you know, when, what does it take, what does it take for boots in to send that message? the fact that you're going to have a line, i'm sure he will be very careful with mendosa is i'm sure he will exercise extremely amount of caution. but at some point he has to do something. and if you look at some of the realistic proposal targets that he could hit, if he gets anymore this ordinance thrown over the border and russian people, russian civilians have been killed. you know, perhaps the nato installation in germany, the main headquarters would be exactly within the target. well, i mean, what we have for right now, george, to go back to history is a problem. um september the 1939 to may of 1940. we had some, it was called the phony war. i think we're in that right now. it was in

a state of war, but we, we haven't seen a major escalation. i think we're about to see that right now, because this is an untenable situation. and the, the big, the russians will not compromise their security this, is it something and, and you know, what, will it be satellites being shot out of the, i think that's the most obvious one here is. does that count for invoking article 5? nobody knows george. that's exactly right i, i would have thought hitting the satellites would be the most logical of the step. hitting bul drones in the black sea will also be the spike drones and the black sea . it would be a logical step where it's, it's clear that the, the, the nato pals have no idea. all the them built into is going to capitulate. there is mocking the thing about what david cameron's or what will you

know, what, what if this doesn't work? well, i know that they have a guess though, just simply withdrawal from ukraine. that isn't going to happen. russia is not going to capitulate. so therefore, there is a path that has to be the next step. because russia cannot just simply allow nato's the 2 b and essentially shooting and killing russians on russian soil. so that has to be in excess ends. but i think that it, we are precisely in, on the brink oval will look. and that's exactly what, you know, remarkable speech yesterday by victor, a war band who said this is the 3rd time we hung gary ends up being pushed into a role with russia. it's time 19141941. and now, and we're not going to do it the 3rd time in that i think he's the 1st lead was explicitly said, this is the same project. well, well, i'm well to what was right. we mobilizing your up against russia and i don't know about. i said, well, you know, we don't want to be a positive, it's so well,

you know, a little self advertisement. george. and i did an extensive video on this in our pod cast style, the gag when i refer people to it because we talked about it a great like what he just said. you know, more modern, you know, um, um britain is at war with russia. this is what we're being told. well, maybe the british will feel what war is like again because they were inflicting a violence upon the russian citizenry that had to have, hasn't happened yet in britain it could. yes, good. um, but uh i, i refer you back to a show we did a couple of months ago when you asked me what my opinion would be alternate. so best a policy and i said expect a lot of fake news. we experiencing the fake news now, here with the room is that i've heard in the last week that nato is planning something big. you know, and this has been fed to a few gullible journalists and it's being pumped up into some flow. and, you know, mark me and you know, i think this one of the things that the,

the 3 of us have been doing been pushing back against this year with this is all political posturing. it doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences, but it is political pastoring. that's why they're, they're not thinking strategically. they're thinking politically and we should all be terrified of this process. they're going through gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue. continue our discussion on some building, stay with our team. the . when the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world. indeed, as voice matters, but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more,

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anymore wisely bought. adjustments for to be on box weighing a $175.00 used to do it. you'll get sent. it's all we going to let that stay in the welcome back. across the bullhorn design peter level command. you were discussing some real news. right. george? you know, we had, we have, for the 1st time in american history, a former president convicted a 30 and 34 accounts. he is legally right now a felon. but he also is the presumptive domini of the republican party. and the 2024 election um your thoughts on this because you know, the, the, the way you uh, the weight's being pitched right now by liberal media primarily. and you said no

one will vote for a convicted felon. i think we're good. that's it is going to be tested very seriously. go ahead towards i, i agree with the visa, but it's really interesting that um and it is ties in with what we were talking about in the the 1st off of the show which is the united states has become a completely and reckless, irresponsible, useless power in the world, i mean you, you would be under the doing things. no one would have dropped off provoking a, a, a world war nuclear apocalypse. and here you has a democratic policy, which is 1st was spent, is essentially uh for the full purposes of domestic politics. whipping up a totally ridiculous, his theory about russian interference in the american domestic politics. impeaching a president full that and making there is totally right, but they're responsible for a tax on a press. ok, he's working for russia. so now they've gone the extra step and i said, okay, he's

a a convicted felon. i think well that, oh, but babble went to some election. you know, because now he's always a collect case study for charges unanimously. the jury. well, as you said, you know, i don't think that's by the way, and that's not a deal breaker. so then you said, well, what's next? what i think, what's next, is that the democratic judge and the democratic prosecutors in manhattan, i'm going to push for an imprisonment on july, the 11th one week before the republican nomination. they go to push to imprison donald trump because they're going to say by them they're going to realize they'll, they'll be looking at the polls and that's a business hasn't done anything to damage drunk. well, may i have to go to the next step. what? well, well, what it did was i in one day and i look at them, i get the number on like $36000000.00 in small nations, went into his campaign out. that was the reaction. you know, martin, if they, if this was happening in any other country, the undertaker blinking is, i call him, he would sit me calling the country, you know, the violation of the united nations charter of human rights,

real freedom of speech. but know that the state department isn't going to react to what's going on in new york, i guess here. i mean, the double standard is so glaring, and i mean in this administration they're, they're, they're pretty rich in the double standard sky category here. martin. you have the, is it, you're getting the on the head between the any other countries, i mean the or p and so, you know, we looked up bill clinton's messing around with the, with the modem when it goes into the sentence key in the, in the white house and the french which is just sort of as well, you know, what's the big deal? i mean, you know, every brand, the french president has oral sex with his intent. and, you know, i think is a similar thing going on here, right across the world. and particularly, europe, you know, we look at this case against trumbull. we think for goodness sake, you know, he's a wealthy guy who go to his lawyers to pay off people who are black community. i mean, it happens all the time. i mean, i've done so many investigations with well, see people over my career, you know, they just as why your employer is at the new since suit, it happens all the time. yeah. i mean, it's really not a big deal. this particular case isn't really a big deal,

but it could be this end of the wedge. it could create a momentum and is jewel quite right. he says, you know, them, the, the democrats be looking at the polls. thinking with this hasn't really had much impacts. we, we need to crank it up a bit, but we're going, it's completely unsolved. walters. i mean, america as a brit, it gives me great pleasure to say birth is a very young country and you know, then someone, so this is unprecedented and no history behind it. and you'll be really interesting to see, can we have a president in jail? i think given goes to jail. but just for me, i put my momma savings on the line slide. i think maybe you know, martin, but before we get there in a high of it, when trump well, i met with the media after the verdict was given to them, read out to him, and there was a headquarter in the crowd and i don't know if it was a fed or it was a trump support and we'll never probably know. but it was yelled out civil war, which is really, really remarkable and really scary. you know,

your judge what they're trying, what they tried to do in this ridiculous trial. i don't know. i think we're pretty smart guys here. our audience is pretty smart, but i've never understood what this case was really about. what was the harm? i don't know what it was, so. okay. particularly since, you know, new york new a lot about donald trump's personality and character for decades. right now being george, being in the real estate in a sector in new york, which is, you know, it's not really christine if you know what i mean. so i know tom is in business in new york for 50 years and he was never charged with a crime and then suddenly this, okay, what this saying is saying is that donald trump not necessarily is corrupt, but the legal system is corrupt because that's exactly right the, the biggest, this ridiculous thing because you know, anyone who read, you know, the prosecutors i know a tried to explain to man on the street. what exactly is the crime?

what is it that you're saying? trunk was the name will be unable to do it because nobody's able to though, you know, legal x was, are unable to explain what the crime here is. i mean, yeah, he paid somebody else. that's all the legal. so to make isn't the, the full count felony, they have to do some kind of elusive contortions to, to make, make it sound that he has committed these crimes. but on top of that, then you have also in your code that tries to bankrupt, it hits him with a 500000000 dollar sign for alleging fraud. when no one has this can come forward to say that they've been the fruit and no one is going well just like they lost any money. no one was deformed. it's again a convoluted series that was uniquely applied to trump. so as well as this case, you know, there's no rep or any with any anyone being prosecute us with the crimes of trumpets. that'd be great. but no record of anyone being found guilty or for. busy

under that new york statute that was used against them. and then we got all the others going with the who does that. and he had official class in 5 documents. every president has lots of a low. and so people can see this and say you twisting manip lightnings the legal system to go off the one man. well, that's what the american republic was found. the 2 approved was, you know, we don't have the bills of attains as you know, you don't manipulate the law just to go off the one person. so essentially the, and this is, i think large of the democrats, they've trash the system, they trash the loads, the trash, the quotes in order to win them election. well, that's a, that's a very dangerous game to play. and i think it's going to blow up in the face as well. you know, it's, it is a bit of an echo of 2016 martin because, you know, we have the clinton administration, i'm just like clinton campaign employed there pied piper strategy. you know, they will, they actually pushed him up. i mean, if we look at the media coverage over the last,

but i'll be as of the last few days, but, you know, watching the trumps legal travails. you know, he's getting a lot of free coverage. okay. and is absurd if the these cases are, they all are absurd. you know, it pump same up. i mean, the average person is george this point, and that is a, it looks like you're just going after the this guy. okay. yeah. and you're in your trashing along the process mark, but that nobody would appreciate that more than shot himself. he would understand the power of that free media oxygen, any way use it. does his best devices? um you mentioned 2016. i think it's, it's more of an risk resumes for 2006. i think it's a, it's looking like a carbon copy and we won't wait. we will have to wait and see where the votes is. use the same russian now. now, as they didn't to see the 16, a lot of democrats hated henry henry, i'm just wouldn't, didn't want to rent any cost. i'm a product and forbid to even cross the oil and fight for trump just to reform the democratic party and clean up those corruption image. use that to the same things

happening in person, but the conservative policy, everybody knows, can somebody buzz going full? i'm going to come to each time and almost talking about it being a good thing because we need to use one, set them for the concepts, reform and come up, you know, come back with a clean, more around modern image, which people will responsive i think is only a closer on the regular democrat vote to see the, the wood for the trees guys, so you can see what's going on here with this, which holds. i think, i think great, we're looking at it from coming back into the white house. i think there's no question is not gonna it well, i mean i, i'm of the firm conviction. if he does win the election, they still won't let him get them knock. you rated up. that's a topic for another program here. george, you hear me look at the calculus here. um joe biden. i didn't have to find a primary. it looks like it's going to be a virtual convention that's, you know, basically the basement strategy. okay, fine. um, um, but no one loves jo by there. a lot of people that disliked him, but no one loves job. i'm just suppose i to donald trump. yeah. a lot of people

paid donald trump, but a lot of people love donald trump. how do you square? that's very a symmetrical. yeah, that's exactly right. that's what i have to this day. there's so many questions about the 2020 election because we're all over the warehouse. the believe 81000000 americans voted for this man that nobody loves nobody likes is always been the a washington political. a glad hand, a croak. and what else to believe he got 16000000 more votes than brock obama, who did indeed, as, as you know, inspire many people to go out and vote for the 1st time. that's really the problem . and now it's compounded by the perception that he knows he con, waiting in a fair and square fight, as always ringing the system. when he likes to cheat, you know, if you, you know, you're going him. so a tennis tournament and then you, you spike the drink of your opponents, nobody's going to say and say, hey,

you won fair and square. and that's really how biden is playing. and so there's this new ad that the republicans are running web ideas. getting this going to be able great, and when he is honest, a trumpet, the trump is saying you will behind those legal troubles. and he says, and he just gives a, is big the able grants. they're going to play that over and over again. and they can say, yeah, the bite and is kind of tacitly admitting take, i'm cheating and i just love to be president because i'm, she thinks is very, very unlikable. yes. and his eyes. so all the resources, visit ministration behind this. ok. martin, just to finish up here, you know, it's, it's quite, you know, we can do british elections later, but it's worth it. it's a pathetic commentary. but this election in the united states is turning out again to be about personality. so you like and you dislike as a country is going to hell in a handbasket is george pointed out with all these foreign policy crisis going on, where we were asked to judge of or pick between a candidate that is basically c nile and a colorful

a real estate mogul. kinda pathetic. go ahead. tv celebrity. yeah. so that in as well. um, unfortunately we've, we've come to this stage. we come to this point where the system doesn't really allow us to choose any of the candidates. you know, it's pulled down to the stupid and the corrupt or wherever, whichever way you wanna throw it. george's point is very important though, but it isn't likes, people don't like button. so he's only got policies, you know, all and or school degree, you know, treat to. whereas on the, on the trump side, if you've got personality and, and policies and control. so i usually would run out of time. but i, i think unfortunately i have to start ending all of these programs. why every time we vote, we get john mccain. it's all with the time we have one of the things that goes in budapest and america sort of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. next time. remember ross up rules

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