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legal annexation of east jerusalem with the mass golf b, washington rules based order and russia, china, the global south only can only lead politically and strategically now pursuing pods, independent of nato nations. is it now the beginning of the end of israel, just as vitamin trump fight over? who is the figurehead to the beginning of the end of us? and by me, go to that. the founder of palestine has a freedom and author of the general sun journey of and is really in palestine for trees, rarely special forces before becoming a powerful voice for peace. he joins me again from washington, dc because so good to see you again. i benefit us, ask you about houses, the house of peace house of palestine. what is this new initiative? a house right now is a free and honestly uh, as we call in arabic. uh, it's an initiative to 1st of all, i have a space in washington dc. a central high profile place and why should they see the carriers, the policy and a flag that um, there hasn't been

a policy in flight of washington dc and it's high time. so this and the symbolism is important. and then to, um, we're working to make sure that the content inside the building, which is quite a substantial uh space that we have um, functions to change the narrative it to change the conversation. washington dc from a very pro zionist, between proud to liberals, i in as the conversation discourse to a scars that cost with this mentioning of apartheid. and it's now there's notes of a real democracy between the river and the see where they go, right? i know, i mean, i mean it's still the cottage the we can see on social media and not on the nato nation propaganda media. you have been the huge, the into, is by the protests across campus is right across the united states. but if you have this house of palestine, i mean, you don't think the us security forces will target it, like you targeted the students at the campuses in georgetown, who knows what the other side is going to do. i mean,

we need to do what we need to do. i think the like the, you know, the student, the student initiatives that have been, have raised, i've always had this, they've raised the level of discourse about palestine and, and in this country are far above and beyond. anybody would have expected and more than anybody else has and i think they have contributed to the struggles of your palestine more than anyone in this country. and there was a fantastic conference that people conference for palestine in detroit which came out of that movement. and it was attended by thousands of and then any, but anybody who was there a great it was the best event, a conference for palestine ever held. and so the, our, our little, our part in this, in this entire strategy is if you will, to take the blog and put it in the socket. and others were in the capitol. we are a stones throw from, uh, from the capitol. and we need to enter those spaces where the citizen, the navy's insulated area is inside of the spaces that were not being heard. i mean,

you, we could have a 1000000 people in the streets, and then, and there. and then there's still a selling weapons in allowing that and allowing this, the general side of this list for eric massacre to, to, to continue. so our, i c responsibility is the people who care for justice and freedom. you know, to figure out a way to enter those spaces and push this agenda forward again, demanding the dismantling of apartheid and establishing around free cost. i don't got excited from the river tennessee calling, but as long as he goes in mass of it, do you think you can draw a connection between say, the campus protests and initiatives like that? with the bizarre moment in history, where biden appeared to be saying, a 2000 pound boom shouldn't be sent to net and yahoo! i don't know whether more which ends in any case because a $1000000000.00 of more weapons have been signed off for from american public money to is rarely in any case. but just that little mention of the fact that one

bomb has not been sent to israel. positively, the trying to please the base a probably in a lot of pressure in the democratic party. there's lot of pressure. i mean, the democratic convention is coming up and it's and, and i think a city of chicago is going to be a repeat of history is going to be complete. the task people are demanding change. people are demanding, recognizing that there is an apartheid, the kinds of apartheid is being perpetrated. and the front of genocide is being perpetrated in that. and they want to see their leaders response. so sadly, the response so far has been so completely, you know, pale and ineffective. and the best they can do is like you say, deny of sitting a particular bomb, but i mean, they're aligned this bloodletting, this vicious massacre. this is the genocide. so this thing, i mean not only are the words and the family sometimes to go on in broad daylight and uh and, and, and the thing is the conversation has to change. there has to be a tipping point. we have to bring it to

a tipping point where people discuss the end of apartheid and establish me establishment with free cost. i have to go over to the c as main street. what was interesting at the conference that people conference on palestine just recently in detroit was this, that was the main stream. we had thousands of participants that were there. some of the most brilliant young speakers, many of them were and about at this point and outside of the circle completely announce maybe weren't on the video. i know. and that was the main street. that was a discussion. and i've been to several of these students and cabins on through here across united states. and the conversation is the same. divest, divest they're demanding their campuses divest. the restaurant is a step in the just not think of a part time. so it's a recognition of apartheid and a demand for a free palestine from the river to the sea. this is what the students are demand 810, and i really do. and that's more important than i know it didn't speak as a down. but ruben mode or fox news channel repeatedly claiming if your in any way and supported palestine, you pro, how mass pro october, the 7th,

the resistance attack. and as you know, the congress is unanimous in its support for as well. they said, oh my problem, i don't see, i don't see any problem with either one of those 2 statements. i mean the policy and resistance is a legitimate to follow resistance the, the attacks of, of the policy and resistance operation. october 7 was a privilege to actually get it. sorry. mean i didn't mean it in that way. i read it, would they see the equation? there? you go lexical and basically october, the 7th, the something on the side of a i says the hash, which you go as many people have written about as being a c, i a cause has operation on it. yeah, i mean they're going to see what they're going to say, but eventually we know that is because we've been around long enough that those who called nelson mandela terrorist then when you know, begging for an audience with him when he was president and wanted to shake his hand, and that's always 3 seems to turn on. this is exactly what's going to happen now. and i believe very strongly that if these initiatives continue,

if the student initiatives continue, if our policy and house of freedom, you know, we know we, we, we, we do that, we do our work, then we, this is going to be the tipping point. and this conversation is going to change very quickly here in washington dc, which is where most decisions are being made about. like you said, most of the zooms bypass are being made here, you know, at the capital and then the white house. so that i, i really believe that that is, whatever they claim now is, is irrelevant because they're going to change their tune once. once, once things turn around. now there's no question about that. yeah. and this corporate media and corporate board politicians slowly begin to change a little and realize or maybe admit what they knew anyway, the genocide was taking place. do you think there's a greater right recognition that i mean, if israel i to use mental illness as a e, a as a way to talk about it,

found it after the holocaust in europe. it's the selling of the ohms. if ascending of the weapons that is enabling this, they're just going to end up blaming israel is we can see from certain western european countries proudly going israel, that sequel it's not just the israel. is it by any means? you know, of course not. i mean, americans briggs, i mean, they all receive it as honest education. so, you know, on both sides of the atlantic, people grow up being design is that even if they don't know, even if they can't articulate, you know that what was honest exactly means they're designed to say that education system here, trains people, leads people to design is there's no question about it. you know, they know everything about the holocaust and everything about the biblical stories and everything about the jews and so on. and so far they know nothing about you mean from hollywood to novel is to the whole not way. culture is excellent and, and textbooks they are, they are designed as the organizations across every state here in united states that examine the textbooks and one of the teachers out there, social studies,

conferences and so forth. they all day with a curriculum providing, you know, curricula for the to the store, these teachers that then they teach their students. so it's in the schools. it's in the college i decided to in the movies. it's a, it's everywhere it. and the news of course, and the politics. so americans got these honest and then it is a big challenge. of course, they've been with this for a 100 years pushing this agenda slower. and so once you get to that point where it, where people, honestly it's already design is it's very easy to justify sending weapons to the only jewish day to, you know, another people who came back from the holocaust ends on soap, on the inside of narrative. it's very easy to do that. of course it's not just as read all the dot. i'd be quite happy with israel with the apartheid being dismantled. well, let me get onto that. let me get onto that. i mean, your grandfather, famous thing, was one of the 37 we signed off the creation of israel. do you think now we are watching the beginning of the end of israel? and i think, you know, you wanna publish this, go ahead eloquently, recently as

a historian neighborhood, watch our interview with him recently. and so he, exactly as i use it very similarly, this is as his story and he believes that the honest historians will in the future talk about this period. as you know, the 1st signs of the client of zionism and you know, i don't know if i'm that optimistic. i do think that the potential is there. i think the potential for the end desires and the end or condition around the world designs um there should be 0 tolerance design isn't because literally a racist genocide, like the ology that produced the races. but does, i will say. so i think if we do our job as people have confidence around the world and we will see an end to this very sad chapter in the history of palestine and they will again, or they will collapse in a real free pastime, will emerge after it. and replace it, but i think it a lot of it depends on, on, on what we do and whether or not um and whether or not we do our job, you know fast because we don't wanna waste any more time. are we seeing the end of

the phrase, the 2 state solution, which i maintain the as an excuse for the genocide, that's what the lead is of countries say. want to excuse the other side a well, it's a serious loss actually. no, that's the problem. we have not seen the end of that phrase. we still see the bernie sandra, todd sanders types of liberals and his talk about the 2 state solution and, and, and so forth. and that's again precisely what our mission needs to be done for you as to is to provide them with a context. so people understand that that why that is absurd. why the notion of separating talestine is absurd. why historically, i mean, realistically job is done. and historically, it's not the right thing to do and politically it's, it's an impossibility. so our role is to educate the people around these, these figures to make sure that they understand why they can no longer say this, why it's unacceptable. because the 2 state solution, legitimizes design is and it legitimize is everything that happened from 1947 until,

you know, until 1967 this, the 1967 was different than what happened before that, you know, we're approaching on the, on the anniversary of the 9067 is really solved on its neighbors of in june and i did 67 in which as you know, my father was, was, it was one of the generals. so that up to educate the people to give them the context, understand and to see and to explain and again to push forward why the tuesday solution is absolutely the wrong thing to talk about. it's absurd, it is, it is, it is immoral. it leads to nothing and it really provides like you say it provides a fig leaf to the ongoing genocide. whereas, and i get, i don't even know what the benefits or what the virtual of that would be even if it was possible. whereas i single democracy between the river and the sea and everybody is like the phrase, the river and the see, you know, that's or palestine is. i don't know what other place $1.09 is if not in the river in the 6, but between the river jordan and the drain and a real democracy, real free palestine where they go, right? that should be the conversation and that's what we're pushing for makeup of that.

i'll stop you the more from the grandson of a signatory to israel's. that'd be $48.00 creation. after this break, the,

the, the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world. indeed, as voice matters, but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the in the late 189 to french soldiers led by general poll, who arrived in asia with the goal of expanding french control in west africa to the territory of more than shot, the most funny, i mean, he stuck up some issues around the cars and just showing this to the tent before they only used one of the most horrific campaigns of a trustees to have ever taken place in the history of the continent liability

getting hold of somebody. i know the question, richard dental. hey, i'm philosophy followed there to do some people professional multiple with is was devastated. numerous members of resistance groups, what the headed home picked up for us to get the move of nancy. and i'm going to be a young investigator in search of his own identity and box on that you need to africa. the choices general, good eyes, blood drenched roots in an effort to establish how your legacy still echoes throughout the confidence. so my name is center and i come from england and i'm ready to find out more about the mission of willy, um, on the history of in, in the region.

the in the year of 1954, the united states of america engaged in warfare against the people of vietnam. the white house supported the corrupt above and governments of southern vietnam. 1965 americans began their invasion following the aim to defeat the forces of vietnamese patriots. the pentagon was confident that the victory would be on the american side, due to its military superiority. however, the vietnamese, during this war into total health for the occupants. unable to cope with a guerrillas, the american army started blanket bombing alongside using chemical weapons and naples, which burnt all alive. the village of my lay, where he 1969 american soldiers killed 504 civilians, including 210 children, became

a tragic symbol of this war. all and all. during the whole period of this conflict, the usa dropped on vietnam more than $6000000.00 tons of bonds, which is 2 and a half times as much as on germany during the 2nd world war. in 1973, the american army under the pressure of the rebels, withdrew from vietnam, and only 2 years later did the puppet regime. and so i got involved. however, the vietnamese paid a high price for their freedom. more than 1000000 in vietnamese people became the victims of america in the dressers. the welcome back to going on the right, i'm still here with make up the grandson of a signatory to israel's 1948 creation maker. we were talking about perhaps the end of the israel, as we know it,

how people in israel reacting to ongoing events previously. they well one, the labor party chief in israel. and there of michelle said that in yahoo and bing, via the people in power in the telling me right now, helped us asked neighbor being how close is netanyahu to assassination? well, i thing, i don't think use those as an issue at all. i think he's the exactly what is constituents want him to do is what do they want more as well i actually would. oh, i don't know. what more could they possibly do is massive green people by, you know, by, you know, as much as humanly possible. and so i think he's doing exactly what people lot the only the only people who oppose him are people that wants his seat. but it's not for political ideological reasons. and i mean, it is really, society by and large stands behind the genocide they've always to, behind the genocide. i mean, it's been going on since is always established and the vast majority is why society

always stood behind it. there is some kind of, i think, a sickness that is, that exist in races, genocide, societies as purchase of just societies that are raised and brought up and educated to be racist. and genocide all is really is i certainly not the 1st hopefully that'll be the last. but that is the reality. and i think and as an yahoo, nothing else seems to be politically, at least very safe. he's doing exactly what his constituents want. you're saying couldn't be worse, or it's difficult to say it, but it causes, you know, in washington we've had lindsey graham, senior, the senator, we've had one leader in michigan talk about the use of nuclear weapons to destroy gaza, even though there are being multiples of hiroshima is of the end, the dropped on a british american, you nation weaponry onto gaza. how will is rail react as it seemingly loses this war against? ha, so his own members of the resistance who are clearly surviving while the women and

children and civilians. man, uh, being slow since i don't think israel's objective is do is to to see the boston resistance. i think it was objective is to kill as many boston awesome. and then that they've been very successful. so people say as well as losing on that front. i, you know, i have to question that because the objective is nice to defeat the resistance. i don't think anybody thanksgiving realistic, a realistic expectation that that will ever happen. so it takes time. imagine. but it is extermination of genocide as a holocaust. they are, they, they wants to execute a, complete all the cost against the cost in and people them, and they're doing it as we can see without any interruption. you don't see any, any uh, elements here, all of israel being used by certain people in the rights in the united states for trying to get a why that will with a run that clearly failing, given new alliance is being forged here in west asia,

between saudi arabia and iran and syria are and so forth. did it surprise you around the response calibrated response to the attack on the consulate in damascus, and the way that this region is not being provoked by the roofing imagery into the why the war? yeah, i don't think is what was being used, i think is ro is doing exactly what it was always doing and it wants to do. was it again, exterminate, eliminate the policy that people uh, as to the you know, the right hand response. it's always been measured, it's always been responsive. they've always been, you know, been responsible in their, in their uh, in their responses to these really provocation. and they continue, thankfully to, to, to do that. so i don't think i, i think maybe there are people who want to see some kind of a glorious destruction of the entire region. but i, and like i said, i think, i think the point thing is to focus on ending the genocide of the past in the people by dismantling the regime. this matching apartheid. you know,

this is an example. we talk about sanctions and die investments. and so for see if i just had their, their, their congress in, in, in thailand a couple weeks ago there's got all these kind of, you know, behind the scenes conversations about kicking out israel. i don't know what they're waiting for. what is, what more does it need to do before it's it's, it's kicked out of all of these organizations, you know, it's rhetoric organizations, this is the media and one of the bigger problems is there's not enough pressure on these organizations to kick as we go out. on today on this matter is that sort of p o of influence at elections around the like b as a b international. caucasian quote, it was called until recently, i mean the response of to the quote was talking about genocide. and rafa was to give israel another month to carry it out. is this a little just the mood music, but don't really help the actual resistance?

because we see the pictures of what happens every time, every time these judges speak more children killed. you know, it reminds you and if you think of, you know, when hitler was, was massacring jews, you know, can you imagine somebody say you have one months to show us that you're going to stop or asked me for a ceasefire? i mean, well i, this is absurd. it's a, it's an absolutely kind of upset and theater. why are we, why are they waiting for them? why are they giving them more time? why are they giving them the option to negotiate a ceasefire? when there's a genocide going on, you come in and you ended the 6th sleep, but it was maybe the 6th week isn't on the drain, then they can stop it right now. they could have prevented office and provide the, you know, the, this urgency monetary and i care to the policy and as in gaza and open the gates. i mean, the only reason there is a manager in crisis and guys because it's a prison. people are bringing, you know,

thousands of trucks stuck in in rough hop in egypt instead of opening the gates and letting people go into 1948 palestine where there's all the food, all the water, all the medical care. they could possibly want a 10 minute drive away. you know, the conversation is so ridiculously skewed and then again, instead of, instead of asking israel to agree to a ceasefire, and that's giving them another month to prove this re and it now. so the costing is are not killed anymore. open the guy down, gates destroyed his prison, live to see just let people live. but no, israel has to be given all of these and i get it. can you imagine what it was was in power doing that, giving them all these, you know, giving all these opportunities to continue to kill as the killing goes on. there's not even a pause in the, in, in, in this, in the killing of people. and as for risk suffering and this, this entire sadistic um, you know, reality that whether we see in front of a very, i, a 10 minute drive east. any point in the got the strip is water. this food is medical care, the best medical care we can the, you know,

policies don't need to suffer. there's no reason whatsoever for them to suffer. open the got down gates and, and eliminated the part time. that's the key here. but that's the last thing. people want to talk about what do you think egypt has a role here. and so yeah, can explain the situation for those people to not being to the region, to gaza, to that border. this fake name philadelphia, colorado just thought up by these rates can be egyptians not just open the border with garza, instead of all this blame which is ro there's not, there's not be there. on the other side. the roof is what's on the inside desert. the other side of rough off is a desert design. i desert, there's nothing there. you know, a 10 minute drive east. there's like, you know, and it ties the entire country at the developed country with hospitals and cities of town everywhere and a 10 minute drive east of the got a strip on any point. you know, there will be, the angel is worth it. suffering it opening the opening rough uh with the it is okay, but there's nothing on the other end. it's a desert, the desert,

or if it you can. and that seeing us facilitating the expulsion, enforceable removal of all these 2000000 people from gaza and just leaving them to be stranded like they are in, in have range of teas up. why is it, why is it that hasn't been more international resistance attacks in solidarity? what is the, i mean clearly be, i suppose you'd say that the faster leadership is completely discredited. but why is it, we're not seeing this conflict wide in the tool and just this enclose area of 2000000 people being starved to death or bomb to death without any other resistance. a violent resistance, as i suppose, mandela would have advocated to join me if i'd struggled abroad, as well as at home as well. i know this really is early settlers at another part of the country are completely paralyzed because of the because of the attacks by

eliminated by his small law. so that is the, the thing have a good prize in there and there is anything enterprise in the north for this little tiny policy is doing everything they possibly can. prostate is exist in the maximum security prison. and so they're doing everything they possibly can. there is jeanine is now the northern west bank and many other forms of resistance of boston is use or on arms. i, you know, the emphasis needs to be on us. i mean, i think that help is ready to come for the outside. you know, you mentioned my deadlines. i patrick, of the soviet block. they have the on the line countries that have cuba, sunny tanks. so i know, you know, we don't live in that world anymore where there's where there's somebody who can support the street. you know, it's just as of ration and tal sign. so i'd have to ask people of conscience just anywhere around the world to stand up and demand that are, that the, there are governments do the right thing and they're not going to the right thing unless we forced to force them to do it. and so which, which they want, and we as regards who is going to win the election in the us in november,

both sides of bank rolled by the supporters of israel. so that would have much effect and is an immense amount of money to be made out of binding babies and be heading babies as britain in the united states and the you nation weaponry is causing it to be slow. this graduates action to take effect by then rather like the i c j a way of trying to stop this one, they will be killed. yes, that's a tough question. i mean, there are things are moving way too slow of course. and you know, you, you start something and you don't know how long it's gonna take. but um, yeah, i mean, just, it's, it's, it's worth a situation where you see it as you see it as far as the bloodletting take place. and you, the best thing you can do is um, altogether, you know, start a campaign and start the broadcast. uh, you know, organized, city and, and so on. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's horrifying. it's actually are fine. but you write these things are going to be the process is very,

very slow. but the help is that is enough players participate in enough organizations participate and enough countries take part in this. and there's enough pressure that every little these are pressure a bit of pressure eventually it will bring it to collapse. and just, i just finally, just finally on that the optimistic go to a low as you say it is low. is it the end of any moral authority from nature propaganda? media? i don't know what you've told me. i mean, you'd probably be too busy organizing hand, trying to prevent the genocide to watch who knows. but um, cnn, bbc, comcast, sky news. if you've been watching that coverage, is it the end of any kind of moral authority from diesel to media organizations? the new york times of course, which printed the fake stories of sexual crimes being systematically perpetrated by resistance scripts. is it the end is a war the end of the that kind of media as being, having any respect?