announcer: numerous questions that have remained onset for many years. watch on archie the the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle. what should we make of the bite and ceasefire, which apparently originated in israel, that the israeli government fails to own is this merely cheap domestic political posturing, or a reflection of the moral rocks of american foreign policy? probably both the cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, giorgio pharaoh in washington. he's ceo of golf state analytics in new york. we

have line on he is a legal and media analyst and in rest and we have michael maloof. he is a former pentagon senior security policy analyst, or gentleman cross lock rules in effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate michael. let me go to you 1st here. it's been about a week now since joe biden, to announce to the public a ceasefire that he says originated in israel. why he is the one that announced that is unclear to me. and then with the usual permit parameters that we had seen, that was something that was 3 weeks before this really government for the most part of the distance and sell from it, particularly the prime minister benjamin netanyahu. so what is going on here was that just for domestic consumption is biting somehow, throwing in the towel. what do you make of it to me? it's been about a week and i still don't understand what's going on. as well as my understanding that it originated from israel, of the united states treat it,

has sent it back. so it was a, israel's idea, israel's plan but, but no one in the end on, on the net yahoo is the team really buys into it, particularly um, and his more extreme right. rapid uh, ministers, ben kabir, and that's mortgage. so, um uh, i think the, uh, whoever originated it, um, it's clear now that the net. yeah. who did, i mean i ross's basically conceding that it came out of out of, uh uh, telling me um, but it is to get to your other point. it is trying to make the united states look like it. and i think maybe in a backhanded way right now, who's trying to help biden's a re election prospect by saying, uh, yeah, it was, it was, it was, is, uh, is idea. and uh and, and uh, just trying to bring you, uh, bring this thing to, uh, uh, you know, try to put more lipstick on that for the proverbial pick. and uh, unfortunately it's not working. and, and then now, yeah, this,

this is the things are going to increase in palestine. and at the same time, we're also seeing more dramas being beaten. they go northward toward 11 on stuff yet, but it is real, will not be able to really effectively do anything northward unless them until it comes down in gaza. and instead they're far from achieving whatever they want it to achieve their and effective they've, they've in bold and i don't, i don't know. i know i'm not really sure, churchill, i mean if it to today the, the americans have never said no to what the israelis want. so i mean, if the recent past is a guide to the future, but it doesn't really matter. i mean, essentially bite and has a gone his face. i don't know if you gentlemen came across the interview in time magazine, but i mean, i would, this is a very incoherent and i'm being gentle here. administration, when it comes to foreign policy, particularly the topic we're talking about right now palestine,

georgia and dc. what do you think? yeah, 1st of all, great, great to be on your program on i would say that there is when we look at the past 8 months of this conflict, there's really no evidence that it's any point divided administration has put real pressure on israel. yes, we've heard statements, we've heard the administration voice opinions, it has its preferences, but all that matters are actions and when it comes to the actions of dividing the administration, there has been no real pressure on israel. the speech that was delivered, the end of may, i think it's kind of interesting though to consider the motivations they probably didn't had for delivering the speech. i do think the biting team would like to see this war wine down again. there is the question of what they would actually do to pressure israel to do it. that's the important question. but nonetheless, i think the biden team does have an incentive to see the war. and i think that has

a lot to do with the fact that the white house is obsessed with the idea of expanding the abraham. the cords before the vote in november biden wants to be able to tell us voters, that he was the president that brought the saudi arabia into a normalization deal with israel and bite in and blinking. and all those folks know that that's not going to be possible as long as the war in gaza is going on. and at the same time, i think motivation that by didn't had for putting for this proposal is to try to make israel seem less isolated. but i mean, none of this has to do with any concern for the palestinian people. it's all about these other us. yeah. well yeah, it's all about perceptions more than anything else. it's about changing any reality . so i think that's what it is so pathetic about it. a line or, i mean i asked him in my introduction to, is this past during, i mean, you know, he does have a, a nominating convention ahead of him and a general election in november. and he's in a lose lose situation the,

the longer this goes on for his administration and his party line on. and i want to play a thought experiment. i want to jump to the future and look back as a historian who's describing what we're seeing right now. and as a future history, looking back, i will say, look at the artful use of the euphemism. we're talking about ceasefire. nobody is talking about this senseless annihilation massacre, genocide, slaughter, whatever you want to call that of innocent human beings. we're talking about siege, fire, and pastoring, and weapons and peers. we're talking about everything. but we're also suggesting cj fire implies that israel will, will cease the firing as will. what the guidance is it from us is it, we don't get to that. it sounds that there was this juggernaut that there is an

impass. we'll stop shooting and destroying if you do as well. in the meantime, we went from this debating whether it was genocide, whether it's a part that's off the table, and now we're talking by the idea of ending something. when i say gentlemen, is that if the american public and the world really understood what this was about, if we could see the actual example of in comprehensible slaughter, this debate would stop. there would be a demand of whatever you want to call this stop it. now duke sees call whatever you want. this is the part that just enrages me, that we're talking all around the topic we. we'd love to talk about war as shaqia in the future. you bring up a good point in line or has been with me ever since this phase of the conflict since october as my wing man. and you know, he is famously known as the guy in the fishbowl. and i, and thank you for that. interpretation is you're absolutely right, but with michael you,

we have spain joining south africa at the international court of justice a you know, dealing with the, getting the conventions of genocide here. the rest of the world is not talking around this. the rest of the world is looking directly at what's going on right now . there's a, the bite administration, as final is pointed out, doesn't want to see it that way, michael. as well they were it worth having the effect of isolating the and not only ourselves was so is israel in the world. and this is quickly coming to us quickly coming to pass. and there's so there's every inc increasing indication that even if trump made it, nothing would change in terms of the middle east. although i think there are some widely's lot of our, our mutual good friend, allister chris, but it is very interesting the, the other day he said that the saudis will not go along with any normalization of israel, as long as there is no longer a 2 parties state and he says this comes from,

it may not necessarily reflect the realities on the ground today, but it comes from the, the, comes from the king himself. and if the king as the cray this, that's it, that's law it's, it's, it's, there's no, there's no discussion and that's the possession today. and israel's not gonna agree to that. so they're going to have a low score. that's why now they're going to start aiming. as i said, i think almost eminently now, 411 on campus. they've got to calm things down a little bit and guys, and because they've got to, they've got to show troops around. but if they can always up to 300000 people, but i think you could you go uh, make the argument the other way around. the opposite argument is things well, it's not going to calm down. so i don't, we expand the conflict, it's focus our attention away. i think unfortunately, that's where it is. giorgio michael brought up alice to correct, which is a brilliant analyst and the same interview that mike was making reference to is the saying, you can't demand the tied to come in and out. that is the problem. and this is what

the, the provide ministration is doing. it's demanding that the tide come in to carry it out and down the path to victory. but that's not going to happen. so, so it seems to me that really what the, by the ministration is worried about is just manipulating perceptions. it is shown itself to be cuz it completely incapable of taking any kind of stand, let alone a moral stand. go ahead in washington. yeah, you know, um we obviously have to keep in mind this is 2024 in election year and the vitamin scene is focused on securing the 2nd term. i so biden is in a little bit of a difficult position. on one hand, he does have these concerns about some of the younger and more progressive elements within the democratic party who seemed to want to stay home on election day or maybe vote for a 3rd party candidate. and we looked at some of the swing states, michigan, minnesota, wisconsin, and so on, that could make

a difference and give those critical states to trump. so i think they were sort of some catering very service level rhetoric to try to win back some of those voters. yeah, i by the charge of, i mean let's be clear here there that the voters that you're talking about, they'd be voting against vitamins policy. these it'd be, uh, gods, but they certainly wouldn't be voting for trumps. i articulation of what's going on in the conflict. that's a, that's almost kind of a more pathetic situation. keep going. yeah, they, they would not vote for trump, but the concern from the biden team is that they wouldn't vote at all. they think they use, i've absolutely, when every single boat in those states that candidates always win by very narrow margin. but at the same time, most of the biding team doesn't want ro is real billionaire donors to unplug the bite in campaign or the campaigns of biden's democratic allies. so i think that

ultimately biden has been very loyal to those donors, but i would also say that if this were not in the election year, i'm not so sure that biding would be handling things to differently. i don't think it's just about catering to donors or catering to the lobby when you look at lightens record and re re palestine. absolutely agree. we think he's going into a few more separate for decades. biden has been a diehard zionist. we can say the same thing about blinking and others in the administration them. this is an ideological fights. they've been a part of for many decade on that. but i don't, and i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the the, what is part of the, the employee would posted isn't the

deepest view of us and building the word. or is it something deeper or complex might be present the next off without collision is less competitive are known in vietnam as the american war, the vietnam war last, it's almost 2 decades and dragged in numerous countries. not any time right now. and then you don't see it now. wow. it's all on the empty. hundreds of thousands of american troops was sent to the country to bank the south vietnamese on me. and the american soldiers mooted resistors mercilessly bowed down entire villages and spread dangerous

chemicals. and even lee by all right, did the americans ever fully acknowledge what they did on the vietnamese veterans ready to forgive? yeah, yeah. yeah. that's, that's a ways too late. but yeah, the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered. i'm curious about your mind. you were discussing palestine, the okay, well i know it before we went to the break, we're talking about the, the impact of the general election. the united states on biden's policy in georgia was absolutely right. i think that um, if this were an awful action, your advice would be acting the same. having said that, again,

i've been stressing all through this program is that they are worried about perceptions more than anything else. they're not interested if there's a genocide or not bits and material to them. it's how they look and how america can project power in the world. and the impact on it used to be very powerful american soft power. it's not so powerful anymore. what question do you, lionel is, how much is it the, did the student protests in flow? and so my policy, because, you know, you, i've known you for a very, very long time and, and, you know, i, the blue hairs and the d i and all of that. you and i have talked about endlessly. yeah, but i'm very proud of young people in america that is always a little very proud. how much of an impact the go ahead. a couple of things are not to be too uh there is a inter niecy near but in the democratic party. there's something very interesting awhile back after they completely abandoned bernie sanders. a lot of the folks kind of picked their tongue and they said in the blamed hillary for this because this,

this man that they believed and loved and was basically the cache of the side. now you have groups of people, you had the squad and the squad was kind of laughed at, but you have amc a number where she to, to leave in eli no more. and then all of a sudden they started to express an echo the concerns of many, many young people not just left. this young produced young people who felt a real connection as young people have always had historically with anti war. as you and i appear to remember from the vietnam era. yeah. well, when they acted up and they saw their fellow colleagues instead of being beaten on campus, is basically academically muted diplomas withheld. i mean, to be blackballed in the future where you couldn't get a job on wall street. they turned it to their squad. and bernie and the other never got to. what are you going to do to help us? and they were mute. yep. they said nothing. yeah. so when all a sudden done,

there was going to be a permanent fracture and the, as i'm with then describe. so the effects of this are going to be felt. this generation might be forever watch. they're not gonna forget this well. and then let me throw in alternative media as well. i think i know it's also reflection of how disaffected young people feel as a neo liberalism is reaching a critical stage. okay. i mean, neil liberals and make to everybody miserable except for the very, very rich that's obvious. and we'd, we play this ridiculous, conservative, liberal game, which of course is what they want us to do. but going back to palestine here, you know, michael, you, you are on many, many times as we went through the they rush the gate hoax. ok. but even the new york times, which i hate to cite, but i'm going to right now. they've said that they wrote about an influence program originating and israel to this some about about $2000000.00, primarily the influence of congress and actually people of color in congress. so we have fake meddling in american politics from russia,

but we have very real meddling from israel in american politics stops as well. it's, it's nothing inconsistent because we do the same thing in the other countries. elections, however, it is, it is something that they, that, that the israel is now are really trying very hard to, to get their message across. net. now, we supposed to be addressing congress against soon. there are some democrats who said they're going to march into the chamber with cops. interesting because of the, because of the i go to the i c, j it. so it one i thought a, but i don't think that will happen. but at the same time they are, they are struggling, they are, they are struggling for the conscience of the young people and, and america. and they know, and they use riley's know their limits. and, and people, people are sick of what's happened to the palestinians. and in the end, the carpet bombing that continuously goes on. and i think that there, uh,

to get to the one point that you made with the lytle, uh, the, the, the, by the administration only reacts it never has a plan to do anything good. but i don't want to go any accomplishments. that's right. i have not. in fact, he has torn apart everything that made america better, the last term, and it made us energy dependence opened up our borders. now what good does that do? how does that, how is that better in the life of everybody? you know, it's only made but worse. you know, it is jojo, the, i'm glad it was mentioned then. yeah. who is being invited to address a joint session of congress. you know, it, it seems to me that this is such a slap in the face to people with a conscience. i mean, here we have a, a very, very weak administration. we have fanatics in congress. it's all directed pandering to donors. the media goes along with it and everybody else, no one else has a say in all of it, it is such a kabuki field or i and you know,

being outside far outside the united states. and that in watching how the rest of the world is reacting even to american allies in europe or abandoning this policy. i mean, it is, it's a really strange moment of inflection. for me, it's a very weird theater, georgia, you know, you know, i mean what's been going on for decades is in the us has been very isolated on the issue of palestine and we can just go to the record book and look at, you know, many of you end up going back many, many decades. so in that sense it's just kind of a continuation or something that's existed for some of you and ministrations. but i believe what's going on now in gaza. obviously this is not the 1st war 1st uh, sort of massacres and guys. uh, but none of the pardon is bloodshed from dash conflicts reached this level. none of them came in close and the whole world, the seeing this live stream, the social media day in and day out. and it just seems to have no effect on so many

in congress who just continued to obsess with this idea of the us as to support israel, regardless of what israel does. you know, i don't think that us support for any country in the world should be unconditional . i think there's always something a country could do that should result in washington approaching it differently. but there is just this thinking among many lawmakers and foreign policy leads in washington that there is literally real can do. that should result in the us ceasing to give it iron clad supports. the rest of the world for the most part disagrees. there are some countries in europe that support israel in this manner. but really, i mean, especially outside of the west, we talk about the global south just completely different universe than united states when it comes to talking about the issue of palestine. and the us is really

isolating itself right now when the issue of palestine is really sort of front and center and the international stage. i don't think many people in washington understands the extent to which this foreign policy leaves the us. so ex streamlined isolated. well, i want a line away, it really kind of bigs the questions. i mean, is this all, i mean i don't want to make it too simplistic, but i mean, is this really just donor driven? i mean, is money. you know, the great philosopher bob dylan said, once you know money doesn't talk, it screams like, is this the bottom line line of let me give you another thought experiment. let's say i could go and pull some parts of this equation out and i would remove the donor faction completely. i could just somehow metaphysically do that. would you see a different result? absolutely. there's no question about that, because you would then you gotta ask, well, who, who is, who is everyone listening to and, and there is a, there is a structure that goes back. you mentioned of the peter. very correct. this is

audiology, this is philosophy. this has nothing to do with tactical, you know, it is, i've got to say this with this, this week the, there was discussions of ronald reagan to the 20th anniversary since is passing a d day and. and he talks about the notion of peace and our in helping the little people in american fight. and i always, you know, spielberg and the usual suspects who i believe tom hangs, believes he was in world war 2. he's awfully, thanks. he was there. but if you sat or is it, what are you doing now? what is america now? what is the world look like now? what do we learn? the answer is nothing. we love ceremonies with a flag waving, and we love titular bumper sticker kind of crazy ology. but when it comes to really applying the principles that we purportedly believing, we don't not as long as there are people. donors pulling the strings. yeah, unfortunately, less true. i mean, michael, you brought up of the possibility of the conflict expanding northward into,

into 11 on i don't think there's anything that us would do to stop it. okay. i mean, they, they want it to happen, of course, but there's nothing they can do to stop it. we say, you know, we saw, you know, a members of, of congress wanting to started impeachment proceedings against a bite and for stopping one shipment, which probably wasn't even stopped of, of weapons to going to israel. there's this like kind of pathetic issue if the, if netanyahu, who needs to stay in power to stay out of prison, if he wants to go into 11 on us, wants to bite and certainly won't stop him. i know you're absolutely right. and we'll pay lip service to not wanting to do that we, we still have the carrier strike group still parked in the mediterranean, just to sort of be at the time. but uh, uh, hospitalized is not a face by that. they, they reality is, is that to get back to what you in line on, we're just saying here for a 2nd the, the united states is, i, is ideologically bent on credit and doing all of this,

this isn't the ideological speech. i make a distinction between the government and the american people. there are 2 distinct entities. the american people do not support these wars. we've been going off for 23 years, non stop. this is all ideologically driven. and if you listen to netanyahu, who has it? and, and been given and given biden's design is bent, they're all ideologically oriented. and even to the booklet called desired to clear out all of the non jewish nod zion has types and can't even going so far as going into 11 a. and now take maybe going into westbank, but certainly clearing out guys that maybe introducing israeli settlers there. this is what we're hearing and bought by who's going along with well, i mean, you know, when michael, the problem is here with all the judge. he'll finish it up, they wouldn't be doing this if and, but it's social media,

this is what's pushing them back because everybody's watching. okay. if this happened in the 18 eighty's, this would've happened already because no one would have talked about it. 40 such another way of judge, he'll go to you while 40 seconds before we go to the end of the program. yeah, well, i would just say it is important to be talking about the situation in lebanon. i absolutely agree with what's been said here. the binding team certainly doesn't want that to happen because they know that that would bring instability in the region to a whole new level and bring the west into a crisis that the u. s. certainly doesn't want in relation not only for a lot of ports to iran, but i just hope that there are some people in israel who have the ability to see how stupid it would be to started all out war with is by law. you know, we're 8 months into this war and gaza in march. the still resisting if they can't defeat a moss. yeah, they say to the israelis good luck during the day. i want to get your gentlemen and

to my audience here. it just takes one phone call from the president united states, and this whole thing would be shut down. but he has that does not have the courage to do a gentleman. that's all the time we have. i want to think my guess and watching in new york and invested in of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. so you next time remember prospect rules the the

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